So ESO has finally become pay to win.
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There we have it folks. Judging by the new PTS patch note, you can now buy the fully leveled Undaunted skill line. Are we finally seeing the decline of ESO?
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✭✭✭✭You do need to have the line completed already on a character before you can buy it, just like the skyshards. Seems more like a pay to not have to repeat content.115 -
TimeDazzler✭✭✭✭✭Oh please. People will stamp pay to win on anything they can it seems. This is pay to progress faster, and it only works if you've already reached max level before.PC NA
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Xogath✭✭✭There we have it folks. Judging by the new PTS patch note, you can now buy the fully leveled Undaunted skill line. Are we finally seeing the decline of ESO?
Please go sit outside with the rest of the people who think there's anything "pay to win" about this game.
While I am not happy whatsoever about these so-called patch notes and "balance" changes, the game is far from pay to win.
It's a CONVENIENCE for you to be able to buy these skill lines now, as you have to have maxed them out entirely on a character to even be able to do so.30 -
Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭Skyshards were fine... undaunted feel cheep because it also offers direct 6% star increases.. But if a character template for sale based on achievements isn’t P2W then neither would this be.. Which could very well come eventually if they continue this. It’s a very slippery slope and the community so far seems to defend it or even want it. More money for ZOS I guess.7
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✭✭This should be only allowed on characters that are lvl 50+. It would make lowbie PVP disgusting and ruin the PVP experience of first time players.- Mojican81 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You do need to have the line completed already on a character before you can buy it, just like the skyshards. Seems more like a pay to not have to repeat content.
exactly.
everything should be that way in eso.
once its unlocked it should be able unlocked on all new characters as well.6 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@manny254 now that is constructive and I like it. That is a very good point. Thank you. And I mean that sincerely.17
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✭I'm actually happy to see that PVE players will only have to level one character in Assault and Support. Big thing is what will it cost? Hmmmm...3 -
Xogath✭✭✭Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »I'm actually happy to see that PVE players will only have to level one character in Assault and Support. Big thing is what will it cost? Hmmmm...
Leveling Assault for Caltrops/etc. is so ridiculously easy (and fast) with BGs that it can be done in just a couple hours, if you do well enough and win matches.
I've done it twice now (StamDK and Stamcro) in lieu of stepping in to Cyrodiil and it's absolutely astonishing how quick it goes by.
Of all the "gotta do it again" skill lines, I mind the Alliance War ones the least with the advent of BGs. (And winning them, that is. Losing still makes it take a little time, but not nearly as much as Cyrodiil.)4 -
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Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
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✭i don’t mind paying to unlock things I already worked hard to unlock the first time. Do I really want to collect all of the lorebooks on every single mag toon I have. No. Once is enough for me. That is so tedious. I’d rather use precious game time doing new things and not doing things over and over again if I don’t have to.11 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@manny254 that is an excellent point. I would put in a ticket or bring to the attention of a ZOS affiliate. That they must be over lvl 50 to unlock said skill lines.11
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✭I knew this game would go south after they started selling skyshards and by the looks of it they sell pretty well.
Psijic Skill line soon? Maybe start selling crafting traits, also sell some sets from trials, I mean its all just pay for convenience right?
This game is already way too alt friendly for it to start selling "skips" its not like you need half a year to get up undaunted, just grab a few friends and you can get it in a day or two.16 -
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True, but somehow I don't think under 50 PvP is the bar for "winning" ESO.
Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
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✭Nerf food, sell undaunted mettle in the crown store...interesting strategy.Edited by Ohtimbar on July 7, 2019 6:21AMforever stuck in combat9 -
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True, but somehow I don't think under 50 PvP is the bar for "winning" ESO.
Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
It is a part of the game that many players who wish to participate PVP will try. Further discouraging new players from testing the waters of the PVP community.
What you define as “Winning” is irrelevant. This change will have no direct effect to me, but that isn’t the point. The point is to try and maintain a healthy community. Instead of dismissing and down playing an issue, I suggest that you try to promote a health community. If you think selling someone power to beat up on lowbies is healthy, then me typing this is a waste of time.Edited by manny254 on July 7, 2019 6:28AM- Mojican27 -
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✭✭✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@manny254 that is an excellent point. I would put in a ticket or bring to the attention of a ZOS affiliate. That they must be over lvl 50 to unlock said skill lines.
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True, but somehow I don't think under 50 PvP is the bar for "winning" ESO.
Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
It is a part of the game that many players who wish to participate PVP will try. Further discouraging new players from testing the waters of the PVP community.
What you define as “Winning” is irrelevant. This change will have no direct effect to me, but that isn’t the point. The point is to try and maintain a healthy community. Instead of dismissing and down playing an issue, I suggest that you try to promote a health community. If you think selling someone power to beat up on lowbies is healthy, then me typing this is a waste of time.
You have to have complete the content to unlock the purchase. Which means, that person has put in the work to have that access. It changes absolutely nothing but the time put into having it on another character.Edited by SirAxen on July 7, 2019 6:30AM4 -
Van_Winkle✭✭✭✭Yea, make game, where leveling new alts is like a torture, and then sell this leveling for money... While EVERYTHING is already for money and EVERYTHING is always broken.14 -
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✭✭✭✭✭i dont think op's comment is that reasonable to be honest with regards to the fact that a) its soley convenience - everyone can get these skill lines, they are not hard to get but just require time and are very tedious if you have 10 etc. characters and b.) it was highly requested by the community
of course its pointless for me since i already have all the 14 characters i want...at least until the next class comes out - but im happy for new players :-)1 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@SirAxen you’re right to a degree, nothing prevents the newbie player from getting the skills, but to deny they are disadvantaged because they have not already unlocked it, is downright deceitful. But it does present a dilemma, how to differentiate those who have freshly lvld it versus those who bought it from the store. But I believe manny’s point is, it does create a very uneven playing field for NEW players. And as a community we want new players to stay around. All the old ones are threatening to leave. Anyhow I don’t see any harm is attaching a stipulation to unlocking the skill line for the sake of posterity.3
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True, but somehow I don't think under 50 PvP is the bar for "winning" ESO.
Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
It is a part of the game that many players who wish to participate PVP will try. Further discouraging new players from testing the waters of the PVP community.
What you define as “Winning” is irrelevant. This change will have no direct effect to me, but that isn’t the point. The point is to try and maintain a healthy community. Instead of dismissing and down playing an issue, I suggest that you try to promote a health community. If you think selling someone power to beat up on lowbies is healthy, then me typing this is a waste of time.
You have to have complete the content to unlock the purchase. Which means, that person has put in the work to have that access. It changes absolutely nothing but the time put into having it on another character.
Pls show me how it is physically possible to obtain all these things on a low level character.- Mojican10 -
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True, but somehow I don't think under 50 PvP is the bar for "winning" ESO.
Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
It is a part of the game that many players who wish to participate PVP will try. Further discouraging new players from testing the waters of the PVP community.
What you define as “Winning” is irrelevant. This change will have no direct effect to me, but that isn’t the point. The point is to try and maintain a healthy community. Instead of dismissing and down playing an issue, I suggest that you try to promote a health community. If you think selling someone power to beat up on lowbies is healthy, then me typing this is a waste of time.
You have to have complete the content to unlock the purchase. Which means, that person has put in the work to have that access. It changes absolutely nothing but the time put into having it on another character.
Pls show me how it is physically possible to obtain all these things on a low level character.
That isn't the point though. Why would a new player be on even footing with someone that has been playing much longer anyway? Do the content, get the access. If said new player wants to use something from the Fighters Guild skill line then they should, you guessed it, do the content. So, not sure a new player and low-level PVP is a sound argument against this.Edited by SirAxen on July 7, 2019 7:33PM4 -
Mitaka211✭✭✭✭The only way i can find it semi acceptable is this.
The skill line could be purchased only if you have already completed it on any one of your characters.
If we just let any idiot buy them how is it not p2w
To be honest any idea of paying for skills, skill point, skill lines should be shoved in a dumpster . Are you people seriously ok for eso to go down that path, it will never stop . Next thing we have will be oh pay for capped CP, pay for a lv 50 character, pay for that , pay for the other thing.
The laziness of some people is shocking to me. A far better solution is to just make guild trees account wide with no payment involved. This game will die if the devs keep listening to idiots.4 -
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True, but somehow I don't think under 50 PvP is the bar for "winning" ESO.
Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
It is a part of the game that many players who wish to participate PVP will try. Further discouraging new players from testing the waters of the PVP community.
What you define as “Winning” is irrelevant. This change will have no direct effect to me, but that isn’t the point. The point is to try and maintain a healthy community. Instead of dismissing and down playing an issue, I suggest that you try to promote a health community. If you think selling someone power to beat up on lowbies is healthy, then me typing this is a waste of time.
You have to have complete the content to unlock the purchase. Which means, that person has put in the work to have that access. It changes absolutely nothing but the time put into having it on another character.
Pls show me how it is physically possible to obtain all these things on a low level character.
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Low level PVP places an effective time limit on how long someone can PVP in that campaign. This time limit is shortened by doing content that earns XP. Unlocking the skills that will be sold in he crown store earns XP and shortens that time limit.
True, but somehow I don't think under 50 PvP is the bar for "winning" ESO.
Place two players into under 50 PVP at level 15. Now give one player access to powerful PVP skills such as DB, Meteor, Race against time, New Circle of Prot, New Entropy, and so on.Confirmed that having the undaunted skill line makes you "win" ESO.
Are you telling me that the player who has all of the extra skills didn’t pay for power? Not to even mention undaunted.
It is a part of the game that many players who wish to participate PVP will try. Further discouraging new players from testing the waters of the PVP community.
What you define as “Winning” is irrelevant. This change will have no direct effect to me, but that isn’t the point. The point is to try and maintain a healthy community. Instead of dismissing and down playing an issue, I suggest that you try to promote a health community. If you think selling someone power to beat up on lowbies is healthy, then me typing this is a waste of time.
You have to have complete the content to unlock the purchase. Which means, that person has put in the work to have that access. It changes absolutely nothing but the time put into having it on another character.
Pls show me how it is physically possible to obtain all these things on a low level character.
That isn't the point though. Why would have a new player be on even footing with someone that has been playing much longer anyway? Do the content, get the access. If said new player wants to use something from the Fighters Guild skill line then they should, you guessed it, do the content. So, not sure a new player and low-level PVP is a sound argument against this.
New players will be at a disadvantage in under 50 PVP when they encounter older players, but why sell power to widen that gap? Why allow these older players a larger time limit for their lowbie crushing?
Edited by manny254 on July 7, 2019 6:55AM- Mojican12
