ESO classic?

bulbousb16_ESO

Arunei wrote: »

Also before 1T it was impossible to play with friends who were in a different Alliance because the Alliances were segregated into their own instances. Reverting things back before 1T would cause a huge uproar with people.

One Tamriel had some good aspects, but it broke things that remain unaddressed to this day. For example, the main storyline is completely screwed up and out of pace with the rest of the game. And it also contributes to the "faction is meaningless" issue which is why we had to revert to faction lock.

RebornV3x

If they could fix the underlying performance issues I would pay good money for a pre One Tamriel or anything before 2.1 Cyrodill Server PVP today is absolutely horrible outside of No CP BG PvP right before Imperial City and sometime after Wrothgar was lit.

As far as PVE I really don't care some patches where better than others so eh.

daim

Waste of resources. ESO is at it's prime now.

Jaraal

MikaHR wrote: »

The game is perfectly playable without spending any money besides initial purchase.

But it sure was better before the giant crown store nag screen ad every time you log in.

luen79rwb17_ESO

ESO has only gotten better, in most aspects. Unlike WoW that has only gotten worse hence they now have to milk on the nostalgia factor. Not the case for ESO.

srfrogg23

Valrien wrote: »

Oof, guess you guys dig the crown store, CP, and homogenization then...

Yeah... you might wanna look through the old threads, circa 2014-2015 where people talked about how everyone had to use the same builds for end game content and only certain classes were accepted for certain roles. Your assertion that "things are homogenized now" pales in comparison to the BS that was pre-1T.

Oh, and may the divines have mercy on your soul if you tried to heal as a nightblade...

JKorr

Valrien wrote: »

Oof, guess you guys dig the crown store, CP, and homogenization then...

So you want to go back to everything being faction-locked until you finish Cadwell's Gold, skipping zones being incredibly difficult if you aren't leveled enough, and some of the bosses being almost impossible unless you're really over-leveled, including having positioning issues for some factions [Doshia's health balls appearing INSIDE two walls where they are inaccessible to destroy], AND all the new content taking forever to appear because they were working on the console release?

No thanks.

jircris11

Valrien wrote: »

With the advent of WoW classic, would it be possible to get an ESO classic set sometime before the lighting patch?

Or at least before Tamriel Unlimited

I rather not revisit a game that has more bugs then a neglected feed store

Runkorko

What i miss from classic is faction locked races.

CrisXD wrote: »

Yes. ESO was an absolute fail when it launched 5 years ago...it would be like taking 10 steps backwards and there wouldn’t be any players left on the game. No, no, no.

Speak for yourself.
EsO was great at start. Xp gain was more than decent. Kills, quests, exploration, everything rewarded great xp.
There was a meaning to do every quest in game. Once for expirience, once for the story, and least but not last, for achievment. Now most quests reward 2 times less xp than a signle mob kill. Whats my point to do them ZoS ?!? Already know the story, and already have achievment on my main. Now ppl are forced to grind levels with killing mobs /forced by zos/ and in the same time this ppl are blamed in the forums, because they do dolmen xp farm in alakir ........... Whats choise they have? to farm with quests? like 2 months ? Sure.
There was no lag in cyrodil, and there was no cap on aoe skills. So one decent player can nuke down this train/ball zergs we have now. Amd back in time solo pvp was great. Now it turn down to dueling/ if we can call this pvp/ and rekting pve geared or low cp players in imperial city.
Questing was great / for me it was- had early acces and zero (perma) bugged quests.Ofc some of them needed to restart game to fix phases or "bugged" npc but it was ok. Comunity was great. Game was p2p , we didnt have the salt f2p players bring after (and their silly demands and " its OP NERF IT" cryes...) As i already said, i do miss faction locked races. Imo it gives faction more meaning. And make your choise matters. Even the imperials feels great back in time. Now is just another race ...
Lots of players will conuter me with "but hey go and see how ppl strugle with quests bugs back in time, there are tons of videos on youtube" True, they strugle. When herd of sheeps try pass small door, they strugle too. Because all they try pass same time...
Relog or restart game solved 99% of the bugs we had on launch. Yet almost no one do it. They prefer to spam forums and game chat how [snip] the game is. I see WoW expansions with lots more and more heavy bugs on release.

So yes. EsO start was a blast.

ps And open world dificulty was a thing. Even elite and lots of quest mobs was punishing / and i dont mean WB/
Now is just walk in the park....

[edited for circumventing profanity filter]

mikemacon

No.

Iluvrien

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Oof, guess you guys dig the crown store, CP, and homogenization then...

Yeah... you might wanna look through the old threads, circa 2014-2015 where people talked about how everyone had to use the same builds for end game content and only certain classes were accepted for certain roles. Your assertion that "things are homogenized now" pales in comparison to the BS that was pre-1T.

Oh, and may the divines have mercy on your soul if you tried to heal as a nightblade...

That is the opposite of the type of homogenization that was being referred to (I suspect).

Specific classes for specific roles? That sounds like classes being fundamentally different in function and focus to me.

The current push towards any race with any class in any role is homogenization. It takes all aspects of differentiation and makes them... beige.

Goregrinder

Wait another 10 years bud.

Valrien

JKorr wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Oof, guess you guys dig the crown store, CP, and homogenization then...

So you want to go back to everything being faction-locked until you finish Cadwell's Gold, skipping zones being incredibly difficult if you aren't leveled enough, and some of the bosses being almost impossible unless you're really over-leveled, including having positioning issues for some factions [Doshia's health balls appearing INSIDE two walls where they are inaccessible to destroy], AND all the new content taking forever to appear because they were working on the console release?

No thanks.

Yes, minus console release

Game never should have come to console, or they should have worked out a deal where you didn't need XBL/PSN to play like with FFXIV

That's my honest opinion

Valrien

Iluvrien wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Oof, guess you guys dig the crown store, CP, and homogenization then...

Yeah... you might wanna look through the old threads, circa 2014-2015 where people talked about how everyone had to use the same builds for end game content and only certain classes were accepted for certain roles. Your assertion that "things are homogenized now" pales in comparison to the BS that was pre-1T.

Oh, and may the divines have mercy on your soul if you tried to heal as a nightblade...

That is the opposite of the type of homogenization that was being referred to (I suspect).

Specific classes for specific roles? That sounds like classes being fundamentally different in function and focus to me.

The current push towards any race with any class in any role is homogenization. It takes all aspects of differentiation and makes them... beige.

This so much. Every class doesn't need to be useful for everything.

Not every class needs a stamina build. That's ok

Not every class needs to be the best healer. Templars can be the best healer and that's ok.

Not every class needs to be the best tank. DKs can be the best tank and that's okay.

Class balance was best at and near launch (I say near because there were still bugs to work out) where each class had a specific purpose. And players that played exclusively for the Elder Scrolls name may not have liked that, but that's perfecrly normal for an MMO. It's just the loudest players didn't want an MMO and were using this game as a proxy for Elder Scrolls 6: Skyrim II

Gythral

Seems like most have very sort memories or very ROSE-TINTED glasses...

Grind was horrendous, months to progress
could only play with those in your own faction and on the same phase
Then Craglorn came out and you could barely progress at all due to phase here, phase there, phase everywhere and no one else able to do that phase!

Sylvermynx

essi2 wrote: »

Blizzard would save alot of money by just taking the pile it took to develop WoW Classic and lite it on fire.
People will play it for a year tops.

Vanilla WoW was a terrible game, and so was Pre-1T compared to what we have now in ESO.

Yeah. I started wow just before WotLK - so vanilla. Good lord, you want to run everywhere for 40 levels as you can't have a mount before then?

Nah. Classic wow sucked. I give it a year maybe. Maybe only 6 months....

Valrien

Gythral wrote: »

Seems like most have very sort memories or very ROSE-TINTED glasses...

Grind was horrendous, months to progress
could only play with those in your own faction and on the same phase
Then Craglorn came out and you could barely progress at all due to phase here, phase there, phase everywhere and no one else able to do that phase!

>Grind was horrendous, months to progress
Oh no, it took time to level up!
>Could only play with those in your own faction
Good? It's a war. You pick a faction when you start the game. That's how factions work. One Tamriel is probably ESO's biggest mistake (next to Tamriel Unlimited)
>and on the same phase
Yes this was trash. Questing could have used some work still at that point
>Craglorn
Due to the quest system at that time yes it was bad. If they fixed quests before Craglorn it would have easily been ESO's best zone rivaling Orsinium and Imperial City

Waffennacht

Valrien wrote: »

So much hate for ESO launch, when in reality it was a much better time.

Bugs were present sure, but the game was much more challenging.

You didn't one-shot everything just because your character existed. Mobs actually put up a fight.

I truthfully cannot imagine how this mess is the best it's ever been...especially with the Crown Store being pushed for just about everything

P.S. If alliances are an issue then maybe your friends should play on the same alliance as you. It was a war, after all.

Anyone else remember when ZOS promised free updates for just the price of a sub? Pepperidge Farm remembers

But but


My BGs

Edit: and I'll let that comment about players like myself never being able to experience ESO go; pretty sure console has the larger player (payer) base

Gythral

Valrien wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Seems like most have very sort memories or very ROSE-TINTED glasses...

Grind was horrendous, months to progress
could only play with those in your own faction and on the same phase
Then Craglorn came out and you could barely progress at all due to phase here, phase there, phase everywhere and no one else able to do that phase!

>Grind was horrendous, months to progress
Oh no, it took time to level up!
>Could only play with those in your own faction
Good? It's a war. You pick a faction when you start the game. That's how factions work. One Tamriel is probably ESO's biggest mistake (next to Tamriel Unlimited)
>and on the same phase
Yes this was trash. Questing could have used some work still at that point
>Craglorn
Due to the quest system at that time yes it was bad. If they fixed quests before Craglorn it would have easily been ESO's best zone rivaling Orsinium and Imperial City

Grind and leveling up are NOT the same thing! (see current horse training - which is a huge improvement on the train every horse every day that we started with). Leveling and just time wasting are different...
Faction lock outside of the warzone decreases the number of active players to do a given dungeon to 1/3 (of naff all)
Craglorn was the cause of the necessary changes, otherwise the game WOULD have died, the same as any CLASSIC server will due to no players!

MLGProPlayer

Vanilla ESO was a disaster. The game's population was already down into the hundreds a few months after launch. It was flopping left and right with critics. ZOS did a marvellous job saving the game. Nobody wants to play the vanilla version.

eso_lags

You will get nothing more than 2 dungeon dlcs, a zone dlc, and a chapter per year til this game shuts down. Maybe a class or skill line included in those. Asking for anything extra is pointless. We will get the basics with bare minimum maintenance til their next game is out, nothing more. And things like cyrodil will remain broken.

ZOS_RogerJ

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Tyralbin

Let's have a look at a couple of games that have done this already.

Rift did this with Rift Prime. Back to the beginning of the game but with added bonus of being able to try new stuff first. Pay for a year and then lose all content. Or as I liked to call it Pay to Playtest. Look what happened to Rift.

Then WoW classic recently. Make the main game easier to try to get people getting WoW classic.

Well that worked as a lot of them came here instead.

I have no actual data on what I am about to say but I expect this is the reason; those games are not making as much money as the accountants would like, so desperate measures are taken. I am not saying WoW isn't making money but not enough for the corporate greed merchants.

Another thing about Rift Prime and WoW Classic is the games are already there; no need to pay anybody to design just a bit of tweeking and money roles in for little cost/outlay.

I hope we don't see this here because imo it is a bad sign once this type of thing happens.

FierceSam

Valrien wrote: »

>Could only play with those in your own faction
Good? It's a war. You pick a faction when you start the game. That's how factions work. One Tamriel is probably ESO's biggest mistake (next to Tamriel Unlimited)

Interesting perspective. Wrong, but interesting.

I did not pick a faction when I started. I had a faction imposed on me when I created my first character. Even if you purchase the ridiculously priced ‘pick your faction pack’, you still have to choose a faction long, long before it matters and you’re locked down from the character screen. It’s one of the single biggest bulls**t elements of the game. It’s only put there because if you allowed players to choose when they actually understood the consequences of that choice, Cyrodiil would be even more unbalanced than it is already.

And you’re wrong about 1 Tamriel, it has zero effect on PvP and factions, it simply enables players to roam around the whole of the world instead of confining them to piddle little ‘level zones’.

I am not giving any consideration to faction when I create a character. It is the single least interesting element of the game.

I’d be much more annoyed if my Dark Elf couldn’t play with my friend’s Bosmer.

Nestor

What I want is to have Hybrid Builds be a thing again. Bring back the softcaps.

Valrien

FierceSam wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

>Could only play with those in your own faction
Good? It's a war. You pick a faction when you start the game. That's how factions work. One Tamriel is probably ESO's biggest mistake (next to Tamriel Unlimited)

Interesting perspective. Wrong, but interesting.

I did not pick a faction when I started. I had a faction imposed on me when I created my first character. Even if you purchase the ridiculously priced ‘pick your faction pack’, you still have to choose a faction long, long before it matters and you’re locked down from the character screen. It’s one of the single biggest bulls**t elements of the game. It’s only put there because if you allowed players to choose when they actually understood the consequences of that choice, Cyrodiil would be even more unbalanced than it is already.

And you’re wrong about 1 Tamriel, it has zero effect on PvP and factions, it simply enables players to roam around the whole of the world instead of confining them to piddle little ‘level zones’.

I am not giving any consideration to faction when I create a character. It is the single least interesting element of the game.

I’d be much more annoyed if my Dark Elf couldn’t play with my friend’s Bosmer.

The entire lore of this game for the most part is based around the alliance war.

I'd be okay with playing with other players in Veteran ranks due to the consequences of Cadwell's story, but being able to play anywhere with anyone you want at any level broke the story and flow of the game.

Need an example? Do the main story without playing any of your faction's main quests

Valrien

Nestor wrote: »

What I want is to have Hybrid Builds be a thing again. Bring back the softcaps.

YES

LonePirate

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

What i miss from classic is faction locked races.

CrisXD wrote: »

Yes. ESO was an absolute fail when it launched 5 years ago...it would be like taking 10 steps backwards and there wouldn’t be any players left on the game. No, no, no.

Speak for yourself.
EsO was great at start. Xp gain was more than decent. Kills, quests, exploration, everything rewarded great xp.
There was a meaning to do every quest in game. Once for expirience, once for the story, and least but not last, for achievment. Now most quests reward 2 times less xp than a signle mob kill. Whats my point to do them ZoS ?!?

This is hilarious because it is not true at all. First of all, races have never been faction locked. The current Any Race, Any Alliance upgrade has existed in the game since it launched back in March 2014. It was simply part of a collector’s edition upgrade along with the Imperial race.

Secondly, mob XP was complete garbage. In fact, if you were five levels above the mob, you received 0 XP. Quest XP (or VP for veteran levels) was also junk. It was increased several times before One Tamriel because it was so awful.

Then you have the numerous quest bugs, like the Naked Death jump in Coldharbour which certainly not fixed by logging out. Then you have the absolute emptiness of the VR7-10 zones because the content was simply too punishing. You could quest for hours in the Caldwell’s Gold zones and never see another player because the zones were dead.

As for the Cyrodiil lag, yes there was less of it but there are plenty of videos of late 2014 and early 2015 were the lag was far worse than it is today - much, much worse in fact. Also, proc sets did not exist in the game and most people did not have more than 4-6 traits researched prior to 1.6, let alone 8 traits (or 9 after Northern Craglorn was released). Fewer people were running around with full sets and thus the game had less data to process and thus less lag.

These people who long for a return to the game’s early days have forgotten all about the game’s massive shortcomings back then. Anybody who says the game was better in early 2014 needs to be ignored immediately because they have no idea what they are talking about.

Cortimi

This reminds me of this commercial. "Some people LIKE getting a papercut. Some people LIKE not having Guild Store search, craft bags....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNrQbIbuGwM

me_ming

While I will admit, there are a few things I miss from before, I prefer having what we have now. I do miss having trial deaths was capped at 72 points before, you really have to know how not to die. And I also miss that you can only group for pledges/dungeons/trials with the same faction, I thought it promotes the sense of pride to your faction even on PvE (and yes DC has the best raid leaders and dungeoners, AD had elitists and EP??? no comment). I miss how Craglorn (and even vet 1 zone mobs and WBs) were tougher than some trial bosses. Like I said I miss many of those things, but I still prefer what we have now.

PS what I didn't miss was leveling your alts. Leveling to Vet 1-12-14 was horrible. I remember when I grinded my second character to v14, I wanted to punch someone in the face after. lol.