ESO classic?

Valrien

me_ming wrote: »

While I will admit, there are a few things I miss from before, I prefer having what we have now. I do miss having trial deaths was capped at 72 points before, you really have to know how not to die. And I also miss that you can only group for pledges/dungeons/trials with the same faction, I thought it promotes the sense of pride to your faction even on PvE (and yes DC has the best raid leaders and dungeoners, AD had elitists and EP??? no comment). I miss how Craglorn (and even vet 1 zone mobs and WBs) were tougher than some trial bosses. Like I said I miss many of those things, but I still prefer what we have now.

PS what I didn't miss was leveling your alts. Leveling to Vet 1-12-14 was horrible. I remember when I grinded my second character to v14, I wanted to punch someone in the face after. lol.

Tbh one thing that would have been nice is being able to switch classes on a whim like in FFXIV.

That would eliminate every complaint about classes being better at specific roles

Templar is the best healer? No problem, switch to Templar

LadyNalcarya

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Oof, guess you guys dig the crown store, CP, and homogenization then...

Yeah... you might wanna look through the old threads, circa 2014-2015 where people talked about how everyone had to use the same builds for end game content and only certain classes were accepted for certain roles. Your assertion that "things are homogenized now" pales in comparison to the BS that was pre-1T.

Oh, and may the divines have mercy on your soul if you tried to heal as a nightblade...

This.
And don't forget pve alliance lock and level restrictions... When you didn't get any exp or loot from lower level mobs and couldnt even hit higher level enemies.

Blinkin8r

TheValar85 wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Game is only 5 years old, ask again in 10

or 15

Or never

Bladerunner1

Just imagining a massive pile of crafting materials taking up 90% of my bag space makes me feel sick. Or suddenly running into a German forest spirit in the middle of Glenumbra, or sneezing on enemies I've out-levelled and watching them combust, googly-eyed NPCs with the shakes, trippy colors, not for me thanks.

Valrien

Anyone else ever notice how even games that were considered "failures" at first still survived on a subs-only model like FFXIV? Not to mention WoW also still survives on subs as well.

Makes you wonder why ZOS needs all that money from the Crown Store if other games can survive just fine either without it or a very limited one

Kolache

Only if came with open world faction-based PvP

Vercingetorix

Um, no. As someone who was thoroughly tortured by Veteran Ranks, "classic" can stay in Oblivion where it belongs.

Apox

the problem is classic wow is actually goodand current wow is actually crap

its the other way around for eso. barring major game unoptimizations and huge bugs, but these wont be fixed by going back to original eso

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

I'd quite like a classic option with a few modifications personally. And for Sage and Konkle to develop for it with an independent team.

Sansoul

Valrien wrote: »

With the advent of WoW classic, would it be possible to get an ESO classic set sometime before the lighting patch?

Or at least before Tamriel Unlimited

Wow is releasing classic because it was good. ESO "classic" was not.

Valrien

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I'd quite like a classic option with a few modifications personally. And for Sage and Konkle to develop for it with an independent team.

Definite yes to the last part. ZOS should have realized something was wrong when their 2 top people left

pieratsos

Arunei wrote: »

No, but good job on making assumptions just because we disagree with you. This game back in the day was rife with bugs and exploits, fewer features, fewer options. Also before 1T it was impossible to play with friends who were in a different Alliance because the Alliances were segregated into their own instances. Reverting things back before 1T would cause a huge uproar with people.

And right now its better performance wise? Lmao, they literally released a class that isnt even working and core mechanics of the game do not function either. And thats without mentioning lag.

Ratzkifal

Maybe for pvp balance and activity but the rest only improved since then.

jircris11

pieratsos wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

No, but good job on making assumptions just because we disagree with you. This game back in the day was rife with bugs and exploits, fewer features, fewer options. Also before 1T it was impossible to play with friends who were in a different Alliance because the Alliances were segregated into their own instances. Reverting things back before 1T would cause a huge uproar with people.

And right now its better performance wise? Lmao, they literally released a class that isnt even working and core mechanics of the game do not function either. And thats without mentioning lag.

"Isnt even working" idk I have NO trouble using necro. Just because you dont like it dies not mean its 100% broken. BB is the only skill that's iffy. Though personally I have had no issue.

pieratsos

jircris11 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

No, but good job on making assumptions just because we disagree with you. This game back in the day was rife with bugs and exploits, fewer features, fewer options. Also before 1T it was impossible to play with friends who were in a different Alliance because the Alliances were segregated into their own instances. Reverting things back before 1T would cause a huge uproar with people.

And right now its better performance wise? Lmao, they literally released a class that isnt even working and core mechanics of the game do not function either. And thats without mentioning lag.

"Isnt even working" idk I have NO trouble using necro. Just because you dont like it dies not mean its 100% broken. BB is the only skill that's iffy. Though personally I have had no issue.

"BB is the only one that its iffy". Yeah no problem at all. Its not like BB is the class defining burst skill and its broken. Its getting lost on its own, has pathing issues, sits in front of target doing nothing and u have to wait it to reset before you actually use the skill again. Corpse mechanics are also buggy af which is supposedly the unique mechanic of the class. The mender healing pet is all over the place. Well I think its safe to say that the class isnt really working properly. And thats not even mentioning the poor design of the class. Dont get me started there. They literally did a copy paste of warden. I guess it was too much hassle to actually make a new class so they decided to reskin the old one.

Of course we can also go on other mechanics of the game being broken like bar swap, stuns, grouping tools etc. And again thats not even mentioning lag.

But yeah lets pretend that the game "is the best its ever been" because they release a couple of zones every now and then and they reskin more mounts in the crown store to milk more money while actually important issues like a progression system has been put on the ice for months because its broken and still no one has any clue at what their plan is.

"Best its ever been".

jircris11

pieratsos wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

No, but good job on making assumptions just because we disagree with you. This game back in the day was rife with bugs and exploits, fewer features, fewer options. Also before 1T it was impossible to play with friends who were in a different Alliance because the Alliances were segregated into their own instances. Reverting things back before 1T would cause a huge uproar with people.

And right now its better performance wise? Lmao, they literally released a class that isnt even working and core mechanics of the game do not function either. And thats without mentioning lag.

"Isnt even working" idk I have NO trouble using necro. Just because you dont like it dies not mean its 100% broken. BB is the only skill that's iffy. Though personally I have had no issue.

"BB is the only one that its iffy". Yeah no problem at all. Its not like BB is the class defining burst skill and its broken. Its getting lost on its own, has pathing issues, sits in front of target doing nothing and u have to wait it to reset before you actually use the skill again. Corpse mechanics are also buggy af which is supposedly the unique mechanic of the class. The mender healing pet is all over the place. Well I think its safe to say that the class isnt really working properly. And thats not even mentioning the poor design of the class. Dont get me started there. They literally did a copy paste of warden. I guess it was too much hassle to actually make a new class so they decided to reskin the old one.

Of course we can also go on other mechanics of the game being broken like bar swap, stuns, grouping tools etc. And again thats not even mentioning lag.

But yeah lets pretend that the game "is the best its ever been" because they release a couple of zones every now and then and they reskin more mounts in the crown store to milk more money while actually important issues like a progression system has been put on the ice for months because its broken and still no one has any clue at what their plan is.

"Best its ever been".

Never said that, but considering you cant even make a proper point I do t blane you. Any mmo will have co stant issues, and bb is ONE of the main skills without it my necro can still do well enough. But then again I dont care about min/max so there is that. As for lag that's mainly in pvp something NIT EVERYONE ONE DOES. I honestly wish ppl would stop thinking pvp is life.

Megatto

Pointless!

pieratsos

jircris11 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

No, but good job on making assumptions just because we disagree with you. This game back in the day was rife with bugs and exploits, fewer features, fewer options. Also before 1T it was impossible to play with friends who were in a different Alliance because the Alliances were segregated into their own instances. Reverting things back before 1T would cause a huge uproar with people.

And right now its better performance wise? Lmao, they literally released a class that isnt even working and core mechanics of the game do not function either. And thats without mentioning lag.

"Isnt even working" idk I have NO trouble using necro. Just because you dont like it dies not mean its 100% broken. BB is the only skill that's iffy. Though personally I have had no issue.

"BB is the only one that its iffy". Yeah no problem at all. Its not like BB is the class defining burst skill and its broken. Its getting lost on its own, has pathing issues, sits in front of target doing nothing and u have to wait it to reset before you actually use the skill again. Corpse mechanics are also buggy af which is supposedly the unique mechanic of the class. The mender healing pet is all over the place. Well I think its safe to say that the class isnt really working properly. And thats not even mentioning the poor design of the class. Dont get me started there. They literally did a copy paste of warden. I guess it was too much hassle to actually make a new class so they decided to reskin the old one.

Of course we can also go on other mechanics of the game being broken like bar swap, stuns, grouping tools etc. And again thats not even mentioning lag.

But yeah lets pretend that the game "is the best its ever been" because they release a couple of zones every now and then and they reskin more mounts in the crown store to milk more money while actually important issues like a progression system has been put on the ice for months because its broken and still no one has any clue at what their plan is.

"Best its ever been".

Never said that, but considering you cant even make a proper point I do t blane you. Any mmo will have co stant issues, and bb is ONE of the main skills without it my necro can still do well enough. But then again I dont care about min/max so there is that. As for lag that's mainly in pvp something NIT EVERYONE ONE DOES. I honestly wish ppl would stop thinking pvp is life.

I did make a proper point. It was "the game has too many performance issues" and it was pointed as a reply to someone saying that the game was riddled with bugs back in the day as if its any better now. It was actually a prety clear point with many examples. Dunno how you missed it.

Yes not everyone is doing PVP. But its a prety large part of the game and if it has huge performance issues then the game has huge performance issues. Your car doesnt need headlights, seat belt and radio to work either. That doesnt mean its ok if your car doesnt have those. Thats common sense.

I honestly wish ppl would stop thinking that its ok for pvp to be broken just because they dont like pvp. But sure carry on blaming people only thinking about themselves while finding it acceptable for a part of the game you dont like being broken. Talking about irony. You sir, just gave the definition of irony in one sentence without even realising it.

mjharper

pieratsos wrote: »

Yes not everyone is doing PVP. But its a prety large part of the game and if it has huge performance issues then the game has huge performance issues. Your car doesnt need headlights, seat belt and radio to work either. That doesnt mean its ok if your car doesnt have those. Thats common sense.

Analogy does not make sense. Are you saying PVP is like the headlights or the radio? In which case, you're admitting PVP is largely irrelevant, since the function of a car is to get you from A to B. Headlights will help you do that at night. But you can have a car without headlights which still performs it's function, whereas headlights without a car are... pointless.

Similarly, it is perfectly okay if your car doesn't have a radio. It used to be okay if it didn't have seatbelts. And, as a matter of fact, ESO would be perfectly fine if it didn't have PVP. Or only had PVP. It wouldn't be the same game, and would need rebalancing, but there is no carved-in-stone requirement for any game to be either PVE, PVP, or both.

Your analogy would have worked better if you'd gone with, say, 'engine' and 'wheels'. A car isn't going to function very well without either. But even then, since PVE doesn't need PVP, and PVP doesn't need PVE, the analogy would have still broken down.

Wildberryjack

No.

Retail WoW is flaming garbage now and they are bleeding subs at an alarming rate so they had to do something, hence they caved in and are recreating vanilla and tying it to a retail sub. This game is gaining players and from what I understand it was a mess at launch so we don't need that.

pieratsos

mjharper wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Yes not everyone is doing PVP. But its a prety large part of the game and if it has huge performance issues then the game has huge performance issues. Your car doesnt need headlights, seat belt and radio to work either. That doesnt mean its ok if your car doesnt have those. Thats common sense.

Analogy does not make sense. Are you saying PVP is like the headlights or the radio? In which case, you're admitting PVP is largely irrelevant, since the function of a car is to get you from A to B. Headlights will help you do that at night. But you can have a car without headlights which still performs it's function, whereas headlights without a car are... pointless.

Similarly, it is perfectly okay if your car doesn't have a radio. It used to be okay if it didn't have seatbelts. And, as a matter of fact, ESO would be perfectly fine if it didn't have PVP. Or only had PVP. It wouldn't be the same game, and would need rebalancing, but there is no carved-in-stone requirement for any game to be either PVE, PVP, or both.

Your analogy would have worked better if you'd gone with, say, 'engine' and 'wheels'. A car isn't going to function very well without either. But even then, since PVE doesn't need PVP, and PVP doesn't need PVE, the analogy would have still broken down.

Analogy makes perfect sense in terms of important parts of the car whether you personally use them or not. Yes cars didnt have seat belts. Fortunately someone smart enough came up with the concept and they are now an integral part of the car saving lives. You not using it doesnt mean cars not having seat belts ok. In fact, its illegal to not have ur seat belt on while driving. Let alone the car not having one.

If you wanna go to a more detailed analogy its like we both drive the same car. I drive it in the day and you drive it in the night. Car headlights dont work and you complain about it and you want them fixed and i come telling you "nah, car is fine, no issues at all cause i dont need them since im not driving at nights". Sounds dumb right? You see the issue now right?

And yes the game would be fine if it didnt have PVP or it didnt have PVE. And those would be different games. But we are talking about this game and it has both. They are both parts of the game. If the game has performance issues in any one of those parts then the game itself has performance issues because again they are both parts of the game and you not liking any of those parts doesnt make it ok for them to be dysfunctional. Im sorry but the game functioning as it should isnt a matter of taste.

IronWooshu

The way I see it is that ESO at launch sucked and lost alot of playerbase. WOW was great at launch and helped propel them to top tier MMO.

WOW has progressively gotten worse with each update and expansion as ESO keeps getting better.

Why would we want a classic ESO?

Mady

ESO 1.5 or 1.6 PvP was awesome

Valrien

IronWooshu wrote: »

The way I see it is that ESO at launch sucked and lost alot of playerbase. WOW was great at launch and helped propel them to top tier MMO.

WOW has progressively gotten worse with each update and expansion as ESO keeps getting better.

Why would we want a classic ESO?

ESO keeps getting better? Since when?

Patch after patch it's another 20 dollar DLC or 40 dollar expansion for more skyshards, more cheap story, sometimes a new class, and more nerfs

IronWooshu

Valrien wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

The way I see it is that ESO at launch sucked and lost alot of playerbase. WOW was great at launch and helped propel them to top tier MMO.

WOW has progressively gotten worse with each update and expansion as ESO keeps getting better.

Why would we want a classic ESO?

ESO keeps getting better? Since when?

Patch after patch it's another 20 dollar DLC or 40 dollar expansion for more skyshards, more cheap story, sometimes a new class, and more nerfs

Then dont play it find a different game that makes you happy.

Valrien

IronWooshu wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

The way I see it is that ESO at launch sucked and lost alot of playerbase. WOW was great at launch and helped propel them to top tier MMO.

WOW has progressively gotten worse with each update and expansion as ESO keeps getting better.

Why would we want a classic ESO?

ESO keeps getting better? Since when?

Patch after patch it's another 20 dollar DLC or 40 dollar expansion for more skyshards, more cheap story, sometimes a new class, and more nerfs

Then dont play it find a different game that makes you happy.

I have, I'm just wondering how this game in it's current state can make anyone happy when it's very clear that there hasn't been any love put into it since 1.5

Aurielle

ESO was terrible at launch. I refused to buy it after beta and only returned two years in. The last thing we need the devs doing is working on a server that undoes all of the good changes they’ve implemented over the past several years.

Valrien

Aurielle wrote: »

ESO was terrible at launch. I refused to buy it after beta and only returned two years in. The last thing we need the devs doing is working on a server that undoes all of the good changes they’ve implemented over the past several years.

It was buggy sure. There wasn't much else wrong with it.

It felt like an MMO. People who were expecting a new single player Elder Scrolls game were the largest group of people that were disappointed

Sylvermynx

Sansoul wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

With the advent of WoW classic, would it be possible to get an ESO classic set sometime before the lighting patch?

Or at least before Tamriel Unlimited

Wow is releasing classic because it was good. ESO "classic" was not.

Ugh. Nope. "Good" is not how I would describe it (WoW Classic I mean). I played "WoW Classic". It sucked. It wasn't fun. Serious.

The minute I got to go into WotLK, get to 60 and buy flying.... THAT was freedom. The Prophet hasn't a clue.

Digiman

Dont see the point Valrien, classic was broken and unbalanced and you seem to be the only fool wanting to go back to that... Then there is if WoW classic would be successful long term

I don't see it without new content the fad would die quickly... You could probably unsub over this and quit playing and no one would even care.

Plus there are resources to consider, prehaps you havent' noticed but bugs are prevalent in this game and it not like they have Blizzards resources to fix them.

So no it won't work, please don't die on this mountain.