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7K Necro Bash... Is this for real?
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✭✭✭Teams of 4 Necros, 4 Werewolves, and 4 zoo Sorcs enter a Battleground...Fear is the Mindkiller11 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Doesn't seem out of whack with damage I do with Ultimates costing much less. This ultimate seems roughly balanced with the damage/protection/CC I get from the warden ultimate. Obviously it is better than most of the really bad ultimates that are out there.
The trick here is that players can hard counter the Pummeling Goliath ultimate and complete shut down the damage and healing via a simple CC after I have committed. The other morph still does damage and heals while Cc'd.
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Sureshawt✭✭✭✭Saw this one coming a mile away. Between this stupid OP ability and the even crappier then usual poor performance as well as so many changes to classes/sets etc. for such an old game I decided to take a long break.
Munching popcorn while occasionally reading these forums seems far more enjoyable then playing these days...HAHA
Btw this OP ability made it through testing etc. by design as additional incentive to purchase new content. FOTM players get to pay for being OP until it is balanced. It's a business decision just like when Wardens were introduced.0 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Btw this OP ability made it through testing etc. by design as additional incentive to purchase new content. FOTM players get to pay for being OP until it is balanced. It's a business decision just like when Wardens were introduced.
Necros were barely discussed in the PTS and it shows. PTS was aaallll about those stamblade nerfs.3 -
Sureshawt✭✭✭✭Btw this OP ability made it through testing etc. by design as additional incentive to purchase new content. FOTM players get to pay for being OP until it is balanced. It's a business decision just like when Wardens were introduced.
Necros were barely discussed in the PTS and it shows. PTS was aaallll about those stamblade nerfs.
Really? Because this thread had the most replies and views of any official feedback threads on PTS.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468631/pts-update-22-feedback-thread-for-necromancer#latest
Edited by Sureshawt on May 29, 2019 4:09PM0 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
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Really? Because this thread had the most replies and views of any official feedback threads on PTS.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468631/pts-update-22-feedback-thread-for-necromancer#latest
Gotta Keep in mind the amount of nightblade threads that existed, incap alone had 2 or 3 10+page threads if Memory serves.
Edit: The Incap silence thread that hexys made alone has more than double the pages than the necro Feedback thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/472798/incapacitating-strike-silence-5-0-3#latestEdited by Sanguinor2 on May 29, 2019 4:13PMPoliteness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »It will be nerfed at some point. If you have one; I'd enjoy the ride while you can.
They'll probably put a sec cool down on it frankly
Last night i got Steel Tornado crited for 33k / on 30k mitigations/ This was on non CP (battleground)
You want that skil nerfed too?
250 ult cost skill do 7k on light armor? Reeeeeeeeeeee... Just delete !!!
Dont forget to nerf 1 shot ultimates too. Lets make PvP fights 1h long, just to please casuals PvErs.
I suggest all skill dmg to be capped at 3k. Thiss will solve the problem.
And yes, no crits please ....
Yea the cost of ult is going to be the main gate-keeping reason this wont be used in greater numbers in PVP. But I just saw a video of someone in VMA running nothing but bashes to beat the bosses without trouble. That is going to be the reason it's nerfed and they wont be looking at PVP feedback when they do
. Edited by Minno on May 29, 2019 4:41PMMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Sureshawt✭✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »
Really? Because this thread had the most replies and views of any official feedback threads on PTS.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468631/pts-update-22-feedback-thread-for-necromancer#latest
Gotta Keep in mind the amount of nightblade threads that existed, incap alone had 2 or 3 10+page threads if Memory serves.
Edit: The Incap silence thread that hexys made alone has more than double the pages than the necro Feedback thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/472798/incapacitating-strike-silence-5-0-3#latest
Not saying nightblade nerfs weren't heavily discussed but 'barely discussed' as you described for necros??
Edited by Sureshawt on May 29, 2019 4:42PM0 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not saying nightblade nerfs weren't heavily discussed but 'barely discussed' as you described for necros??
Well first of all it was not me saying that those were barely discussed, but since this chapter was supposed to be About class updates and necromancer release the overwhelming Focus on only nightblades really wasnt cool. Necromancer being barely discussed depends on what you view as barely, it was discussed yes, but went into the Background as soon as large nightblade changes were announced.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.0 -
Joosef_Kivikilpi✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »https://imgur.com/xfIIXbq
This seems kind of overpowered. The guy was just going around deleting people in 2 seconds with this bash.
This is the one side of the coin.
Now show us the other.
Your mitigations.
I`m sure you are in pve gear and probably light armor too.
I wont ask you why you dont kite him when you see he use his ulty?
Is hard to miss.
Its clear that you dont have idea what his ultimate do. Now you do.
No offense m8, but is clealy l2p issue.
Next time you go to imperial city, bring somefriends and equip some pvp gar. It helps.
Have fun
Dude, I'm not wearing PvE gear. I already said earlier in the thread I have 19K Physical resist and 3K crit resist. That's plenty for light armor. I ran into more of these guys tonight and the best option is to just run away from them. That's not "l2p" that's l2run, lol. There is no skill involved with this ultimate and there is no skill in countering it. It might as well not exist.
There is a counter which most people never consider. Poisons... of Cowardice. It increases the cost of Ultimates by 60%. That Ult would cost over 400 then to cast. Now granted, that is when the triangle comes into effect of where you have to ask if you're willing to sacrifice something if your current build to incorporate a counter for one OP style of build. Most people aren't and want to keep complaining and not try to work around a certain build. There are counters.0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »https://imgur.com/xfIIXbq
This seems kind of overpowered. The guy was just going around deleting people in 2 seconds with this bash.
This is the one side of the coin.
Now show us the other.
Your mitigations.
I`m sure you are in pve gear and probably light armor too.
I wont ask you why you dont kite him when you see he use his ulty?
Is hard to miss.
Its clear that you dont have idea what his ultimate do. Now you do.
No offense m8, but is clealy l2p issue.
Next time you go to imperial city, bring somefriends and equip some pvp gar. It helps.
Have fun
Dude, I'm not wearing PvE gear. I already said earlier in the thread I have 19K Physical resist and 3K crit resist. That's plenty for light armor. I ran into more of these guys tonight and the best option is to just run away from them. That's not "l2p" that's l2run, lol. There is no skill involved with this ultimate and there is no skill in countering it. It might as well not exist.
There is a counter which most people never consider. Poisons... of Cowardice. It increases the cost of Ultimates by 60%. That Ult would cost over 400 then to cast. Now granted, that is when the triangle comes into effect of where you have to ask if you're willing to sacrifice something if your current build to incorporate a counter for one OP style of build. Most people aren't and want to keep complaining and not try to work around a certain build. There are counters.
Since these poisons are not up 100% of the time they are nearly useless.5 -
Sp1dHQ✭✭✭So the devs aren't going to fix this BS? I've ran into one of that builds. Yes, you can try to run away, but shield charge will close the gap. With good terrain and healing you can manage to escape. But there should be no magick god mode button for 20 secs that causes everybody to hide0
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✭✭✭✭✭So the devs aren't going to fix this BS? I've ran into one of that builds. Yes, you can try to run away, but shield charge will close the gap. With good terrain and healing you can manage to escape. But there should be no magick god mode button for 20 secs that causes everybody to hide
Hello and welcome to Elder Scrolls Online!
To answer your question: HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
They're not gonna fix this for months.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
ganzaeso✭✭✭✭It would damage the state of PvE tanking to put a cool down on bash.
Though a good solution for the Necro Bash issue would be to make it so that it is only AOE every 3rd or 2nd bash depending on the timing.
This change would make it roughly the same potency as Eye of The Storm.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober(Math before coffee, except after 3, is not for me)0 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »Sounds like a classic case of being impatient that got you all killed. Goliath form only lasts 20 seconds and you can still use CC to hinder his approach while you stall out the clock. After Goliath runs out the Necro Tank will be vulnerable with little dps options and you can take him out.
"only 20 seconds" LMFAO are you kidding me? 20 second ultimate that can dish out MULTIPLE 7k bash per second. You don't have time to react especially when he has the shield gap closer1 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭I don't play a necromancer, but I don't think this is OP. It's a 250 cost ultimate. The bone goliath form is very obvious and only lasts 20 seconds. You basically just get the hell out of dodge when a necro uses this and try to stall for time. After stalling for 20 seconds you re-engage. Learn to play issue simply put.
And yes I too foolishly attacked a necromancer in goliath form (the AOE morph) because I had no idea how it worked, and yes I died.
20 seconds of 50k+ hp and multiple 7k bashes per second. Not op at the slightest
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BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭Isn’t the OP a sorc? Showing damage numbers is meaningless without context. If the person’s a glass canon in all divines every damage ability is OP... unless it’s on a sorc.
As for running away, what do you do when you see a permafrost or eye of the storm? Just eat it?
A lot of the time you don't and do, warden ground aoe esp never shows and seeing the same thing with necro on less often occasions.
oh and 7k is pretty tame, 360 degree bs with all yours skills including gap closer, run away?
Edited by BRogueNZ on June 6, 2019 11:15PM0 -
Nemeliom✭✭✭✭Anyone from ZOS can confirm is this is ok or not?
Let me know if I can build this necro without you deleting the build in a week or 2.Baradur Morker - Level 50 Bosmer Nightblade
Le-Duck - Level 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight
Boom-Stormer - Level 50 High Elf Sorcerer
Nemeliom the Great - Level 50 Redguard Warden
Crazy Little Maggie - Level 50 High Elf Templar0 -
Lorkhan✭✭✭✭✭Necro ult bash Just hit me for 12k
They can bash like 3 times in a second. Im levelimg a necro right now0 -
Nemeliom✭✭✭✭Necro ult bash Just hit me for 12k
They can bash like 3 times in a second. Im levelimg a necro right now
Me too. Already lvl 10. Hope everyone does this until they fix it...Baradur Morker - Level 50 Bosmer Nightblade
Le-Duck - Level 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight
Boom-Stormer - Level 50 High Elf Sorcerer
Nemeliom the Great - Level 50 Redguard Warden
Crazy Little Maggie - Level 50 High Elf Templar0 -
godchucknzilla✭✭✭Lol all ult dumps with clever and balorgh are pretty insane. Nerf balorgh TBH. Kind of lame gameplay tbh.0
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✭So the devs aren't going to fix this BS? I've ran into one of that builds. Yes, you can try to run away, but shield charge will close the gap. With good terrain and healing you can manage to escape. But there should be no magick god mode button for 20 secs that causes everybody to hide
Oh sweetie you must be new here. I’m sorry.0 -
Cerra✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »https://imgur.com/xfIIXbq
This seems kind of overpowered. The guy was just going around deleting people in 2 seconds with this bash.
This is the one side of the coin.
Now show us the other.
Your mitigations.
I`m sure you are in pve gear and probably light armor too.
I wont ask you why you dont kite him when you see he use his ulty?
Is hard to miss.
Its clear that you dont have idea what his ultimate do. Now you do.
No offense m8, but is clealy l2p issue.
Next time you go to imperial city, bring somefriends and equip some pvp gar. It helps.
Have fun
Dude, I'm not wearing PvE gear. I already said earlier in the thread I have 19K Physical resist and 3K crit resist. That's plenty for light armor. I ran into more of these guys tonight and the best option is to just run away from them. That's not "l2p" that's l2run, lol. There is no skill involved with this ultimate and there is no skill in countering it. It might as well not exist.
19K is nothing...0
