7K Necro Bash... Is this for real?

FuryOfTyphon

I'll just leave these both here, for people who think bash spam is balanced lol...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=TdCVXgBjoxw

or this one....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

rager82b14_ESO

FuryOfTyphon wrote: »

I'll just leave these both here, for people who think bash spam is balanced lol...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=TdCVXgBjoxw

or this one....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

It is balanced. They made necromancers trash pet class, and buggy skills. So we get something to make up with the lack of being good at what necromancers suppose to be.

tjcd

FuryOfTyphon wrote: »

I'll just leave these both here, for people who think bash spam is balanced lol...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=TdCVXgBjoxw

or this one....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

well, that was not just necro bash. vicious death set definitely helped a lot. also I doubt that the effectiveness of necro bash bomber build is higher than a NB bomber build judging by the fact that you could get spotted when approaching the crowd. I think nerf would happen after zenimax collects enough data for several months or they could also think necro bash as a L2P mechanics. I did meet some players who handled pummeling goliath bash pretty well. they used cc skills/terrain to keep distance or they were tanky and kept blocking and healing. I think necro bash is a killer for squishy players and IMO if a player chooses to be squishy, either the player is pretty new to the game or the player tries to maximizing output damage by sacrificing proper defense.

tldr: it's a fair game.

prototypefb

Mr_Walker wrote: »

ganzaeso wrote: »

It would damage the state of PvE tanking to put a cool down on bash.

So what you're saying is "bash nerfs incoming"?

Actually bash nerds via snb nerfs would be welcome,snb skills and passive are op,should have been nerfed long ago

LuciusOctavio

250 Ultimate is not an issue, when you have 2 or 3 Necro's running this. They become bombers, they'll pop immobi pots, charge at everyone doing the bash damage.

Clears a room, wipes the floor. I would say using poisons to drain stamina. They need precious stam to keep the bash up.

max_only

prototypefb wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

ganzaeso wrote: »

It would damage the state of PvE tanking to put a cool down on bash.

So what you're saying is "bash nerfs incoming"?

Actually bash nerds via snb nerfs would be welcome,snb skills and passive are op,should have been nerfed long ago

Wow. So pve doesn’t exist huh? S&b need to be buffed. Full strength enchants passive on s&b is needed for tanks to make up for the enchant nerf we just got due to pvp whiners. 90% of this game is being held hostage by pvpers now that the combat lead only cares about pvp.

Waffennacht

I'll be very sad if mag necro gets nerfed because of both stamina and stupid Cyrodiil

FuryOfTyphon

tjcd wrote: »

FuryOfTyphon wrote: »

I'll just leave these both here, for people who think bash spam is balanced lol...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=TdCVXgBjoxw

or this one....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

well, that was not just necro bash. vicious death set definitely helped a lot. also I doubt that the effectiveness of necro bash bomber build is higher than a NB bomber build judging by the fact that you could get spotted when approaching the crowd. I think nerf would happen after zenimax collects enough data for several months or they could also think necro bash as a L2P mechanics. I did meet some players who handled pummeling goliath bash pretty well. they used cc skills/terrain to keep distance or they were tanky and kept blocking and healing. I think necro bash is a killer for squishy players and IMO if a player chooses to be squishy, either the player is pretty new to the game or the player tries to maximizing output damage by sacrificing proper defense.

tldr: it's a fair game.

The big difference is bombers get in, blow up, get out if they can.
This can actually fight open world really well and then still have the goliath available to wipe zergs.
The fact that I was wearing a mag set (VD) on a stam build and still able to push the bash dmg through the roof shows you how overtuned it is.

There are a few counter plays.. Run the hell away or block, but most ppl dont do this and even then i've killed plenty of good organised groups with this.

AS somebody who has tried it.. Definitely needs a nerf.

Zeila

FuryOfTyphon wrote: »

I'll just leave these both here, for people who think bash spam is balanced lol...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=TdCVXgBjoxw

or this one....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RXxUY9CbKE

All these videos show is a bunch of ppl playing with one hand or afk because they were at a cap uncontested. We see that all the time. The 2nd video even shows what happens when one person CC's the necro and he gets demolished.

Not sure what you're trying to prove.

But seeing how many people are complaining, the class will be gutted by the end of the year and useless in 2020. At least I don't play necro so. Have at it.

TriangularChicken

Actually..I admit that I was wrong..this ultimate is stupid OP...the damage is simply too high... even with good resistances 25k and major protection I get hit for 7k in no CP .. that is a joke..

kalitoslime

What kind of damage is it ? Is it direct damage is it aoe dOt What is it ? I’ve tried spiked armor and evasion seems like It didn’t help much ?

Vercingetorix

I've yet to be killed by it and frankly I don't get how people can just sit there and lose to it. This is no different than fighting an enemy who has Destro ult active or a DK with Corrosive Armor up: get TF away from them. The second I see a Goliath, I CC the enemy and just LoS them to stall out their short 20 sec clock. After they revert, they're toast - they are using a 1-trick gimmick build, nothing more. This isn't difficult to understand - Goliath punishes folks who recklessly remain in combat against it. Stop defeating yourself and L2P.

Massacre_Wurm

Yep. BGs now is Necro Ult - all dead or Necro ult - all run away.
It will be nerfed. Only question - when ?

rotaugen454

Just play one yourself and let the behemoths duke it out.

Xarc

"hello i'm good at TESO"

puupaa

Is this a record? I'm only moderately squishy.

I think the worst aspect of it is how silent it is, like you're fighting with some people and suddenly you're just dead by goliath bash gank. In the picture above, ~29k damage in 0.9 seconds.

Demra

I have a theory, most of the people who say just get out there rarely go melee. Because goliath can happen so fast that if you were right on them when it happens you bound to lose at least half hp bar try to run away. Even if you reacted as soon as you notice the goliath appear. And that's not counting the times they surprise you from behind or out of a corner.

jcm2606

Most people who say to run away also don't consider that goliath builds would run SnB to push the bash damage further up and the bash cost down, and so have the perfect counter to that -- a gapcloser that was just buffed (faster animation), that also stuns when it lands. Yeah, good luck running from someone with that.

Cążki

OP and also stupid.

Ankael07

Noxavian wrote: »

Considering 7k dmg is low compared to most fully charged heavy attacks and that's an ultimate ability, yeah, that is real.

And it's fine too.

58 Agrees on a comment that doesnt even know the 7k damage occurs twice per second. This is proof that vast majority of people comment on things they havent even encountered in the game.

This includes all those Sorcerers or NBs telling people to ''just kite bro''. Not all of us have a Streak to take us 15m away or Cloak to go invisible. Even then the Goliath can simply use an Immunity + Detection potion and just spam Gap Closer + Bash

Qbiken

What makes necro sad is that outside of their ultimates and the magicka healer role, necromancer has little to no functionality in PvP. Nerf the ultimates for all that I care, but necromancer needs buffs in their nom ultimate skills to be viable for PvP (especially stamina necromancer)

hmsdragonfly

tjcd wrote: »

well, that was not just necro bash. vicious death set definitely helped a lot. also I doubt that the effectiveness of necro bash bomber build is higher than a NB bomber build judging by the fact that you could get spotted when approaching the crowd. I think nerf would happen after zenimax collects enough data for several months or they could also think necro bash as a L2P mechanics. I did meet some players who handled pummeling goliath bash pretty well. they used cc skills/terrain to keep distance or they were tanky and kept blocking and healing. I think necro bash is a killer for squishy players and IMO if a player chooses to be squishy, either the player is pretty new to the game or the player tries to maximizing output damage by sacrificing proper defense.

tldr: it's a fair game.

Necro bash is a killer in BG, since it's an objective based game, you can't run away like in cyro if the bash spamming abuser is playing the objective (ie. holding relics, capping flags etc) else you lose the game, also you can't "cc and use terrain" either because there's none near most objectives in BG.

It's a fair game? The only people who say "it's a fair game" are bash spamming abusers.

Sansoul

Emma_Overload wrote: »

https://imgur.com/xfIIXbq

This seems kind of overpowered. The guy was just going around deleting people in 2 seconds with this bash.

There is tissue available in each of the capital cities.

Sylosi

Seems broken, but then I was watching a guy stream yesterday and he was getting hit by 12k ticks of overload heavy attack, so maybe broken is simply "balance" in the meme that is PvP in ESO.

Katahdin

Yup it's way overtuned. A group pf 2-3 necros can wipe a group of 10-12 people it's so stupid.

I had one hit me 3 times dealing 12K each time. I had 25k resists and 35K health at the time.

I suspect they will nerf it eventually once they have sold enough copies of Elsweyr

CaliMade

The amount of people defending this is appalling.

I want necro to be good as much as anyone
but their current state is toxic as hell. Its hard to believe you have any common sense thinking 7k bashes are balanced, ult or not.

All of the Kids saying that there is ANY ult that does this much damage have clearly lost grip of reality.

BlackMadara

Sylosi wrote: »

Seems broken, but then I was watching a guy stream yesterday and he was getting hit by 12k ticks of overload heavy attack, so maybe broken is simply "balance" in the meme that is PvP in ESO.

How often do heavies tick? The main issue is how fast bashes come. You can also block while spamming bash. The only drawbacks of this playstyle is the reliance on ult.

Drachenfier

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

Yep. BGs now is Necro Ult - all dead or Necro ult - all run away.
It will be nerfed. Only question - when ?

I still haven't died to it. Maybe I'm just too l33t at the peeveepeez

kpittsniperb14_ESO

TheYKcid wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Isn’t the OP a sorc? Showing damage numbers is meaningless without context. If the person’s a glass canon in all divines every damage ability is OP... unless it’s on a sorc

Nope.

I received multiple 7k hits on my heavy Stamsorc in a BG, too. 23k resists (29.5 with Bloodspawn up), full impen, minor protection from Psijic ult.

It's effectively a Dawnbreaker that's literally spammable more than once a second. Let that sink in.

It's absurdly overturned, and anyone defending this is laughably out of touch with PvP balance.

You think costing twice as much ult as a DB balances it? What about the part where you can spam it 20+ times in a row? By the way that's a trivial amount to accumulate for a build running Bspawn, Heroic Slash and TWO sources of ultgen within the class' toolkit.

But by all means, double the cost of my DB if that means I can blow it 20 times over. Sign me the f*** up already!

It's actually equivalent to being able to fire a dawnbreaker once every .75 seconds for 20 seconds....does that sound balanced? But what the hell, it's expensive. Rework dawnbreaker to do this and take away the dot from it, rework Standard of Might to hit for 15-20k per tick, rework EoTS to hit for the same and extend the duration to 20 seconds....etc for all "expensive" ultimates because apparently we're all ok with this nonsense.

Goregrinder

ecru wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

I don't play a necromancer, but I don't think this is OP. It's a 250 cost ultimate. The bone goliath form is very obvious and only lasts 20 seconds. You basically just get the hell out of dodge when a necro uses this and try to stall for time. After stalling for 20 seconds you re-engage. Learn to play issue simply put.
And yes I too foolishly attacked a necromancer in goliath form (the AOE morph) because I had no idea how it worked, and yes I died.

"just don't engage" and "run away" isn't valid counter-play. if an ability is so good that your only option is to opt out of combat entirely, it's too good. bash weaving with a 7k bash is hilariously broken, it's literally an extra 7k dps for 20 seconds for builds that can sustain it. it's like adding a 7k damage proc to your light attacks for the duration, lol. 2k light attack, 3k heroic, 7k bash is 12k dps, which means you'd be pretty much 2 shotting people. in what world is that balanced?

Knowing when to pick your battles is part of any PVP gameplay in any game that has players trying to kill each other.