Incap nerfed to the ground again
NightAngel690
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Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
Edited by NightAngel690 on May 13, 2019 4:31PM Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
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kollege14a5✭✭✭Well it is a bad stun now not even worth using at 120 ult better of fearing before using it. They should just give it a stun at 120 ultimate so it is equally good against mag and stam users.8
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭as an archer i need enemies away from me, i used that stun and knockdown if they got too close, i would crak them with it, knock em down and get my distance back again.
and it also gave me a short time with more damage, but now with it removed,
i will be looking for a new ultimate as that one is now just useless for me.
just weakened my fighting tools.
really just not cool they allowed to complain on the forums and destroys people builds and ways of fighting.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I play since 2014.
I lost count on number of NB nerfs....
And you konw what is the worst scenario ?
All of the sudden Sould Harvest will gain popularity and will be favoured and in the future ZOS will be like:
"Why is this morph used that often ? Even on a stamina builds ? We have to nerf it.... "
This is what I fear... ^
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Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭You do realize that Incap is still of the hardest hitting 75 cost ulti out there, right?
Seriously, as a stamNB PvPer, I can never understand these kind of complain. "Incap is nerfed to the ground", no it's not. It was on top of the food chain, and now it's not anymore, but it's no where near useless.47 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nightblade and sorcer are is supose to be dps class, other classes are not.
if you heal alot then your damage should be minimal, if you tank then your damage shoulld be minimal
people keep trying to destroy that.6 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Never cared about the stun on Incap since I normally feared before Incap anyways so the Silence being a breakable CC is no skin off my nose while still being a harsh punishment for a Magic Build that doesn't handle itself properly. I feel the sustain buff in place of Defile is a pretty nice trade off since it helps in both PvE and PvE whereas Defile is pretty pointless in PvE and I can always get Defile from Reverb for PvP purposes anyways so, I can totally adapt to this and feel its a fine adjustment overall.Argonian forever0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone?
And how is that different to live?3 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You do realize that Incap is still of the hardest hitting 75 cost ulti out there, right?
Seriously, as a stamNB PvPer, I can never understand these kind of complain. "Incap is nerfed to the ground", no it's not. It was on top of the food chain, and now it's not anymore, but it's no where near useless.
If you Incap someone, you've essentially wasted an opportunity to CC them. They'll able to move around with CC immunity and you would have achieved nothing.@ Izaki #PCEU
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cheemers✭✭✭✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Bad magicka players run around cyrodiil with 10k Stam. The fact you're even stating that as a point shows either your inexperience or ineptitude.Youtube channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCDQ7FrJ0AjMt2auffLEf_Pw
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NightAngel690✭✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Bad magicka players run around cyrodiil with 10k Stam. The fact you're even stating that as a point shows either your inexperience or ineptitude.
Exactly. I run around with close to 20k on my magicka nightblade with 40k magicka and 2k recovery.0 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭You do realize that Incap is still of the hardest hitting 75 cost ulti out there, right?
Seriously, as a stamNB PvPer, I can never understand these kind of complain. "Incap is nerfed to the ground", no it's not. It was on top of the food chain, and now it's not anymore, but it's no where near useless.
It's just because the other options are so overloaded. It's not that it is bad at all. It is hard to slot a different ultimate in PvP on a stam char other than DBoS just because DBoS is so good.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Bad magicka players run around cyrodiil with 10k Stam. The fact you're even stating that as a point shows either your inexperience or ineptitude.
Bad? Ok, 12K
fear + incap: Do I break one or both? Will it charge me stam on both?
This is the worst solution. At lest they should let magicka break silence with MAGICKA.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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Rikumaru✭✭✭✭✭
✭Incap absolutely should not have a silence, at least one that isn't breakable. I would rather have a dumpster skill than an absolutely broken one. That being said, I see quite a few people talking about how incap on live was op because it was one of the best ultimates for single targets. I mean do you expect dawnbreaker to be as good as incap in 1v1? Kinda silly considering it's AOE.
Imo ZOS should have kept major defile but removed this 120 ulti condition thing and just add reave. Soul harvest for 10 ulti per kill and reave for incap.Overload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.7 -
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✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Bad magicka players run around cyrodiil with 10k Stam. The fact you're even stating that as a point shows either your inexperience or ineptitude.
Exactly. I run around with close to 20k on my magicka nightblade with 40k magicka and 2k recovery.
Not everyone runs cookie cutter builds. Not everyone wants to run with 20k stam. All classes are played differently,
Yes, on my Stamblade I run with 18k magicka. Yes, on my MagDK I run with 18k stam. Do I have to make everybuild exactly as those?Edited by Xvorg on May 13, 2019 5:08PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You do realize that Incap is still of the hardest hitting 75 cost ulti out there, right?
Seriously, as a stamNB PvPer, I can never understand these kind of complain. "Incap is nerfed to the ground", no it's not. It was on top of the food chain, and now it's not anymore, but it's no where near useless.
It's just because the other options are so overloaded. It's not that it is bad at all. It is hard to slot a different ultimate in PvP on a stam char other than DBoS just because DBoS is so good.
No, it's because other "stam" ultis are lackluster or virtually non-existent. If they'd nerf DBoS what would e.g. a stamsorc slot then? Purgable DW ulti or Onslaught that forces us in a skill line with now lackluster spammables bc they have no class spam? Oh I know, magical damage Overload it would be!
But seriously, DBoS is the measuring stick, nothing else.0 -
NightAngel690✭✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Bad magicka players run around cyrodiil with 10k Stam. The fact you're even stating that as a point shows either your inexperience or ineptitude.
Exactly. I run around with close to 20k on my magicka nightblade with 40k magicka and 2k recovery.
Not everyone runs cookie cutter builds. Not everyone wants to run with 20k stam. All classes are played differently,
Yes, on my Stablade I run with 18k magicka. Yes, on my MagDK I run with 18k stam. Do I have to make everybuild exactly as those?
I use off meta builds that I’ve created myself so I really don’t get what you mean by “cookie cutter builds.” Anyone with a brain can come up with a build that performs just as good as the meta if not better.
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »NightAngel690 wrote: »NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Bad magicka players run around cyrodiil with 10k Stam. The fact you're even stating that as a point shows either your inexperience or ineptitude.
Exactly. I run around with close to 20k on my magicka nightblade with 40k magicka and 2k recovery.
Not everyone runs cookie cutter builds. Not everyone wants to run with 20k stam. All classes are played differently,
Yes, on my Stablade I run with 18k magicka. Yes, on my MagDK I run with 18k stam. Do I have to make everybuild exactly as those?
I use off meta builds that I’ve created myself so I really don’t get what you mean by “cookie cutter builds.” Anyone with a brain can come up with a build that performs just as good as the meta if not better.
Anyone with a brain knows pigeonholing is bad and that every single class must be played according to it's strenghts. What's the point of 20K stam on a magsorc? That class doesn't need such a high stampoolSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
DJfriede✭✭✭✭✭Incap is dead, long live DB meta. (I've used DB on my stamblade for the last months anyway, no regrets.)1 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Good damage+increase damage+ good sustain = That's alone probably makes it one of the best ulties in the game. The silence is just a bonus , a very useful bonus.
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✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Lol first off... run more Stam.
Second, if you are that bad at conserving Stam, roll high elf. You shouldn’t have any issues unless you play like a stamblade rolling 72 times in a row. Khajiit, imperial and Argonian also give a little something for such issues.
1 Stam recov glyph also goes a long way.... jsEdited by Insco851 on May 13, 2019 5:19PM3 -
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✭✭kollege14a5 wrote: »Well it is a bad stun now not even worth using at 120 ult better of fearing before using it. They should just give it a stun at 120 ultimate so it is equally good against mag and stam users.
This. A stam user doesn't need to break the silence, gets a free CC immunity plus 3 seconds (assuming you cannot fear/stun while silenced), while at the same time magicka players are completely shutdown or have to waste stam. Five bucks says this last minute, kneejerk mechanic is buggy.
Best just to revert it back to how it was. It is not like there are not umpteen sources of defile, and people still complain about "too much healing".3 -
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✭✭✭I agree, it’s pretty much a pve ability now. For pvp it’s not the end of the world, dawnbreaker’s better and was just buffed.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
Quit crying it's still overtuned for it's cost.8 -
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✭Calm tf down guys it was broken before and never would have gone live. It is still powerful, you just need to spend time ccing your target to wear down their stamina first.1 -
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✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
Just play on lagging Vevic so your silence will last forever. I still trying to break stun from last night. LAG and any kind of CC break is broke...PVP DEADWAIT
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Lol first off... run more Stam.
Second, if you are that bad at conserving Stam, roll high elf. You shouldn’t have any issues unless you play like a stamblade rolling 72 times in a row. Khajiit, imperial and Argonian also give a little something for such issues.
1 Stam recov glyph also goes a long way.... js
This is the point: More stam, less dmg on magicka builds, because max magicka escalates dmg better after 2.5K spell dmg
Besides that, why should I change my race? Why shoudl anyone change its race just to play the game? Wasn't the promise to play as you want?
I'm not asking to be competitive, just I'm asking something for magicka builds that makes perfect sense: If silence is gonna become a kind of CC, why isn't it broken with MAGICKA? Why forcing magicka classes to run even more stam that they are currently running?
What if all snare and root removals were magicka based? Wouldn't that be fair? I don't think so.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique1 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭NightAngel690 wrote: »Incap is now useless again! You can’t silence an enemy after a cc is already on them? So you can’t incap and then fear anyone which pretty much means you can’t kill anyone? Okay Zos, gg. It’s pretty much a cheaper version of onslaught and even then onslaught hits way harder and you can get it back right away if you kill someone with it.
Here’s an idea! Stop listening to the sorcs who hide behind the most op damage shield in the game and just give us an ultimate that is actually useful or leave incap the way it was pre elsewyr!
You know magicka builds run with around 10K stam and that breaking CC for them is too expensive?.
It is the worst solution ever, on both sides.
Lol first off... run more Stam.
Second, if you are that bad at conserving Stam, roll high elf. You shouldn’t have any issues unless you play like a stamblade rolling 72 times in a row. Khajiit, imperial and Argonian also give a little something for such issues.
1 Stam recov glyph also goes a long way.... js
This is the point: More stam, less dmg on magicka builds, because max magicka escalates dmg better after 2.5K spell dmg
Besides that, why should I change my race? Why shoudl anyone change its race just to play the game? Wasn't the promise to play as you want?
I'm not asking to be competitive, just I'm asking something for magicka builds that makes perfect sense: If silence is gonna become a kind of CC, why isn't it broken with MAGICKA? Why forcing magicka classes to run even more stam that they are currently running?
What if all snare and root removals were magicka based? Wouldn't that be fair? I don't think so.
Literally 2 triglyphs on the big pieces isn’t going to break your “max dmg omg I’m dead cuz I can’t break free build” - and that’s all you need with thoughtful Stam consumption.
Especially with soft cc cooldowns, and rat available to use in most situations.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Its just an odd change.
Magicka has to break free just like it were the old stun, technically with the option to block or roll dodge instead.
Stam doesnt have to do anything.Edited by VaranisArano on May 13, 2019 5:44PM5
