TG/DB event announcement

Jaraal

A_Silverius wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

A_Silverius wrote: »

Where my Bosmer stealth at ZOS? https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bosmer#The_Rite_of_Theft

It's the right of theft.

There's nothing there about the right of not getting caught.

Well, being expert thieves naturally means you don't get caught that often and have to be quite stealthy no?

Also: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5866739/#Comment_5866739

And Also:
Skyrim

ESO *Facepalm*

"Here, let's take away your core Bosmer stealth values. Don't worry about all that time wasted raising Legerdemain, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherthood! No need to crash level a sneaky Khajiit in 2 days.... we'll sell you tickets instead!"


Lore revisionism for coin. Sickening.

FrancisCrawford

I love my Bosmer thief, but he's in great danger of being replaced by -- i.e. race-changed to -- a Khajit.

The one silver lining is that I don't really feel comfortable with him doing evil murderous things anyway, so there's some RP benefit to the character swap.

pod88kk

Everstorm wrote: »

Did they update the quest info for this or was that done earlier? Got small quest circles on the map showing me exactly where to go and it now clearly says that beating the timer only gives a better reward (and thus not needed to actually finish the quest).

I just go in and kill everything

Tsar_Gekkou

max_only wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

D....ddouble defiled whiskers from vMoL? Has to be a joke? That’s the funniest thing I think I’ve read all year.

Way to give players no incentive to go in there. Is it really so hard to do double drops like the previous two? Sincerely out of touch with the player base and it’s appauling.

What in there is good? List it out for us.

I only care about Alkosh for my tank and that can be farmed on normal.

You gonna farm the gold jewelry on normal? Besides, double drops would mean double the chance of tanks getting an Alkosh piece they need.

Cryptical

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Ugh. I love DB and TG, but Sacraments and Heists are literally my least favorite parts of those DLCs (I HATE that they put any sort of timer on stealth missions. You're penalized for taking your time on a stealth mission?! WTF?!)

I was looking forward to this event, because stealth stuff is my jam... but this is just disappointing. I'm going to do enough to get my berry, then go back to pickpocketing and contracts, because those are WAY more fun than Sacraments and Heists. Yuck yuck yuck.

You don't get penalized for taking your time, you get a bonus for being efficient. Like Merlin said: practice makes perfect, and using the right gear helps a lot. If you invest the time and effort you get slightly better reward, up to you to decide if that better loot is worth the investment.

In this case, a bonus for succeeding at an objective is functionally the same as a penalty for not succeeding at an objective.

See, the problem is that the very presence of a timer makes it stressful for me. I HATE being timed, because I'm bad at acting under pressure. I get overwhelmed very easily by that sort of pressure. It doesn't matter that it's optional. I still feel that stress.

It's also a matter of principle. To me, who grew up playing the old Thief games in the middle of the night, stealth gameplay has always been about patience. In a good stealth game, you can take your time to scope things out, and wait for the perfect moment when the guards are all in the perfect position and use the perfect tool for the job. My favorite thing to do in any stealth game was and still is "ghosting," where you get in, complete your objective, and get out again without ever being detected. That's always been the challenge of stealth play, for me. Adding a timer to it was never, ever the point, and I find it just distracts from the core of stealth play. The fact that it's an optional objective is missing the point.

Basically, the presence of a timer on Heists and Sacraments sucks all the fun out of it for me. I love stealth play, but those two things just hit the wrong notes for me to take any fun out of those two dailies. So I maintain my "yuck, yuck, yuck."

I’m with you. The timer really causes the devs to nerf their own vision, as they can’t make larger complex areas that would provide the elbow room for a serious challenge.

You might try the Styx master of shadows game, for stealth. Large levels, wide variety of enemies that have multiple stages of being alert to intruders as well as varying defenses, absolutely horrible combat that super emphasizes not getting caught, things you do cause enemies to change travel routes, use magic for all sorts of stuff.

I’m going back and redoing levels for the ghosting/completion medals and have had to think “Guard is going to circle the room 3 times then the knight will go from the window to the stairs, 3 more circles and the knight moves from stairs to next to the mage at the lookout. I’ll have 15 seconds to get my disposable magic clone over there to poison the water and take out the knight when he drinks on the way back to the window, and with him gone then I’ll be able to make it across to the desk for the gold coin” and then wait 10 minutes for that window. For 1 gold coin out of 10 in the level.

Jaraal

pod88kk wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Did they update the quest info for this or was that done earlier? Got small quest circles on the map showing me exactly where to go and it now clearly says that beating the timer only gives a better reward (and thus not needed to actually finish the quest).

I just go in and kill everything

Which is fine, if you don't mind paying or sleeping off bounties. Hard to get everybody without being seen, especially within the time limit.

code65536

templesus wrote: »

D....ddouble defiled whiskers from vMoL? Has to be a joke? That’s the funniest thing I think I’ve read all year.

Way to give players no incentive to go in there. Is it really so hard to do double drops like the previous two? Sincerely out of touch with the player base and it’s appauling.

Save your breath. This is the third TG anniversary. The bonus in MoL in 2017 was double whiskers and people complained loudly about it. The bonus in MoL in 2018 was double whiskers. I didn't have to read the announcement to guess that the bonus this year would be double whiskers. I'll bet you that next year, it'll still be double whiskers.

Vuron

Jaraal wrote: »

pod88kk wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Did they update the quest info for this or was that done earlier? Got small quest circles on the map showing me exactly where to go and it now clearly says that beating the timer only gives a better reward (and thus not needed to actually finish the quest).

I just go in and kill everything

Which is fine, if you don't mind paying or sleeping off bounties. Hard to get everybody without being seen, especially within the time limit.

There is no time limit to complete the mission. Completing within the time limit and meeting all other objectives just give you a higher level reward.

If you can sleep off the bounty, than just run through it and kill everything.

Hoolielulu

So...no special drops like motifs or furniture or anything? If this is just about earning indrik stuff then I'm disappointed.

sudaki_eso

Vuron wrote: »

If you can sleep off the bounty, than just run through it and kill everything.

So it doesnt matter how i do those? There is no way of failing? Well then fu§$ it, i will just run through them and go berserk, finally a reason to get rid of all those edicts in my inventory

albesca

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

If you can sleep off the bounty, than just run through it and kill everything.

So it doesnt matter how i do those? There is no way of failing? Well then fu§$ it, i will just run through them and go berserk, finally a reason to get rid of all those edicts in my inventory

Thieves Guild heists (and from what I read also Dark Brotherhood sacraments) have some objectives and a timer: in order to succeed and get the quest basic reward you need to fulfill the objectives requests (heists require to find and open a bunch of chests, essentially).
If you find everything and get out of the area before the timer runs out you get a bigger reward and a thieves guild motif chapter. If the timer runs out a boss spawns near the entrance of the area and makes it harder to get away.
Keep in mind that you can abandon the quest if you mess up, you get teleported back in the thieves' den where you can pick the quest and try again (the boss remains spawned though, unless you wait 15 minutes before retrying).
Unless you ignore the time issue and just blast your way through you'll sneak most of the time, so it's a good idea to have 5 pieces of Shadow Dancer's Raiment or Night Silence to move at full speed (the latter is crafted and requires only two traits); I did some perfect run on heists without those but it was hard and I always got out with a handful of seconds left, with a full Night Silence set (and a reasonable knowldge of the areas) I now get out with one or two minutes left (depends whether I slip up and get caught once or not)

Vuron

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

If you can sleep off the bounty, than just run through it and kill everything.

So it doesnt matter how i do those? There is no way of failing? Well then fu§$ it, i will just run through them and go berserk, finally a reason to get rid of all those edicts in my inventory

Correct. There is only 1 main objective for each tg/db mission. Either kill 1 person or loot the chests. It doesn't matter how you complete it or how long it takes.

IzzyStardust

code65536 wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

I like events - so pack in your meh and stow it. ❤️

I used to get excited about events. Until we got events every few weeks, which made events in general start to feel... well, less eventful.

This, BTW, is the start of a long event marathon. When the TB/DB event ends, there will be a 3-day reprieve before the Jester's event starts. And following hot on the heels of that event is the Anniversary event which this year is longer than ever... I think it's something like 4 or 5 weeks this time around?

For two months, the ESO calendar is just a solid block of events. If you don't get burned out by that, then kudos to you. But I suspect that will not be the case for many people.

I see your point and take it in good faith; but I still enjoy events.

However - I don’t grind them as such.

I only got 6 tickets last event; but I think they’re good for the community as a whole.

I feel like we need new blood and I like that events happen that bring people together.

I often will take extra time to ‘bus’ people to wayshrines and tank dailies several times to lessen the queues etc. because I’m a team playa, playa!

❤️

mystkldrgnb14_ESO

Also good tip - the "Boss spawn" timer (the one you have to beat getting out in order to get extra rewards) - doesn't START until you loot the main objective in the quest. (I think that's the theives guild one but I get them confused LOL)

Save it for the "last" thing you do (whether running efficiently or or whatever) - be even a little aware of your escape route (fastest way to the door is usually best) - and you won't have any problem beating the timer.

But again - timer is only for the extra loot. Nothing to do with completing the mission or getting your tickets.

I did these last year (first time) with no gear at all on my Khajit (so prior racial rules) - and never any issue. Don't tell me Bosmer's nerf effects your ability to do this crap. It doesn't.

A little situational awareness (and if you play stealth this is what you should do anyway) and being told the boss-timer doesn't start until you loot the MAIN objective - is enough to be able to do this.

And if you don't care about the motif chances or whether you do it perfect - then yea - run in, loot, run out - screw the rest of the mechanics. Personally I think its far faster/easier than having to spend time on WB/daily quests/whatever.

And yes, you get double loot bags during the event - as with every year prior.

KMarble

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The other thing that apparently has not occurred to them: If you don't yet own the DLC, it's going to take a certain amount of footwork before you can even do the thing you need to do to earn the ticket.

Granted, it's not hours and hours, but it's still a delay they have not considered - a delay that hasn't really been present in any other event.

People are going to assume they can purchase the DLC and just go.

That isn't true. You needed to complete a few quests in CWC before the dailies were unlocked (and if you were following the story, a somewhat long quest to get to CWC in the first place. You needed to complete one quest in MW before the dailies were unlocked too.

Even though I've had ESO+ for a few months when the CWC celebration came around, I hadn't started it yet. I got all the tickets offered at that time despite the fact that I was unlocking them as I went through the story while the celebration was going on.

The problem, IMO, is that both DB and TG require other dailies to the player to advance the story. That might cause a little problem, although tbh, unlocking the dailies doesn't take long.

Jamdarius

kringled_1 wrote: »

Official post is here with details:
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/55819
While I thought it would be the case from PTS , I'm still a bit irked that getting two tickets a day requires both a heist and a sacrament, as doing these properly can be time consuming. (I realize they can be done more quickly and sloppily for tickets if need be).

question is do we have to do it well or do we just have to do them and get huge af bounty, if the latter it will be quite fast

Anyways I dusted my stealth suit from stash, to my surprise it still fits even though my poor Lilith gained a bit weight

Jayne_Doe

Jolipinator wrote: »

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.

2018:
just 500 crowns each

2019:
for 1,000 crowns.

So we get 500 free crowns and then the price doubles. How clever ZOS.

The first sale on Orsinium was also 75% off, so I purchased it on PC for 750 crowns that first year. Last year, it wasn't nearly as good of a sale. Also, I was expecting to get CWC on PC for 500 crowns, since I had purchased both TG and DB for 500 crowns each last year. However, CWC was only 30% off during it's anniversary, so 1400 crowns.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

A_Silverius wrote: »

Where my Bosmer stealth at ZOS? https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bosmer#The_Rite_of_Theft

It's the right of theft.

There's nothing there about the right of not getting caught.

But, you have to not get caught if you're going to successfully steal the item and then demand payment for its return. Also, it's been pointed out in other threads that Khajiit didn't even get a starting bonus to stealth in the single-player games until Skyrim, while Bosmer has had that starting bonus since at least Morrowind. They really have gone against lore with the removal of a stealth bonus for Bosmer.

But, it doesn't really matter that much if you get the proper gear, as already mentioned. My main is a Dunmer, and she's the only one I've done DB and TG with, and she does just fine with the proper gear. Usually, it's when I get impatient that she gets seen or if I haven't properly accounted for all of the guards' movements.

Sevn

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.

2018:

Don't have access to the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood DLC game packs? During the event, you can pick both of them up from the in-game Crown Store for just 500 crowns each. That's a saving of 1500 crowns!

Even better, the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Collector's Bundles are also both on sale. These two bundles will be available for 1600 crowns each – a saving of 2400 crowns.

2019:

Throughout this dark event, you can acquire both the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood DLC game packs for a steal, with both available in the in-game Crown Store for 1,000 crowns.

Even better, you can snatch up the Dark Brotherhood Collector’s Bundle and the Thieves Guild Collector’s Bundle for 2,000 crowns each.

By this rate, they're gonna cost twice the original price in 2021. :P

Thought it was just me losing my memory when I saw that. I noticed it more so when Clockwork City didn't get the same price as those 2 had last year.

Something has changed within Zos over the last few months or so, the usefulness of the dailies has dropped, forget about getting anything good, the discounts are laughable and they are raising the cost of items as if players won't notice.

We noticed.

Jaraal

IzzyStardust wrote: »

I only got 6 tickets last event; but I think they’re good for the community as a whole.

A lot of folks couldn't care less about the Indrik mounts, but starting later in the month you will be able to buy Outfit Style Pages and pets with event tickets, so there won't be any surplus if you want to get everything, and possibly a shortage, in which you will have to decide what you want to buy with the available tickets, and what to pass up.

The pressure to acquire tickets will increase (and thus why you will have to start buying them in the crown store if you want to get everything offered.)


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5750728?_ga=2.33984802.2074211849.1551859970-370846402.1498883385

Dongmyeong

Is there going to be another ESO+ trial coinciding with this event? Seems a bit soon since the last one, but without ESO+ most of us wont be able to earn tickets.

Jayne_Doe

Jaraal wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

I only got 6 tickets last event; but I think they’re good for the community as a whole.

A lot of folks couldn't care less about the Indrik mounts, but starting later in the month you will be able to buy Outfit Style Pages and pets with event tickets, so there won't be any surplus if you want to get everything, and possibly a shortage, in which you will have to decide what you want to buy with the available tickets, and what to pass up.

The pressure to acquire tickets will increase (and thus why you will have to start buying them in the crown store if you want to get everything offered.)


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5750728?_ga=2.33984802.2074211849.1551859970-370846402.1498883385

There is some concern about not being able to get everything unless you buy tickets, but I'm less concerned about that now that I know that the Jester's Festival is more than the 5 days it was last year. It'll be 11 or 12 days this year, so you can earn enough during the event for the final berry and the pet.

As for the Outfit Style pages for Cadwell's weapons (the Outfit style for his armor will be CS only), we'll get 60 or so Stupendous Boxes from which these pages can drop. And, they are tradable. So, it's possible to get these without having to buy tickets from the CS.

Granted, if you haven't been getting as many tickets as you can, then you will come up short on getting everything. I've missed a few tickets from not logging in between 1am EST and 10am EST on the last day for some of the events, so I have probably 6 or so tickets less than what is possible to have earned at this point. Right now, I have the Nascent Indrik, a full set of feathers, one additional of the first feather, both Dawnwood Berries, and 11 tickets. I can easily get the third berry and buy a couple of additional feathers (or just one and hold on to the rest to buy the 4th berry when the Jester's Festival starts). Then, during the Jester's Festival, I can earn enough for the final berry (or buy it right away if I saved tickets from the previous event) and the Indrik pet.

But, we don't know what other items they might put up for sale for event tickets if they feel like they're not selling enough of them. I'm not sure we can count on just the feathers, berries, and pets, and an optional way to get event items that can also be earned in game. What the event tickets in the CS do offer, though, is a way to get some of the items without having to burn yourself out or never go on vacation.

NoTimeToWait

Everstorm wrote: »

Tastes differ, I respect that. But I feel that avoiding detection is too easy in these missions to make it just about that without any further pressure.

Agree. I LOVE Heists and Sacraments. These are the ONLY areas in ESO with HIDDEN PASSAGES. Sorry for the caps, but this stuff is really awesome, and I like how passages are not showing on the minimap until you find them.

I have completed at least a couple hundred of these missions. And I would say, that in the end I got bored, because I could finish most of the missions under 4 minutes without any stealth potions or stealth armor, running 80% of the time with rapid manuevers on.

It is almost like Maelstrom Arena - you just memorize patterns and can run as soon as NPCs don't see you and choose the proper paths depending on NPCs current positions (you almost always have 2-3 choices, sometimes even more).

Too bad, ZOS never used hidden passages anywhere else since DB DLC

Merlin13KAGL

KMarble wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The other thing that apparently has not occurred to them: If you don't yet own the DLC, it's going to take a certain amount of footwork before you can even do the thing you need to do to earn the ticket.

Granted, it's not hours and hours, but it's still a delay they have not considered - a delay that hasn't really been present in any other event.

People are going to assume they can purchase the DLC and just go.

That isn't true. You needed to complete a few quests in CWC before the dailies were unlocked (and if you were following the story, a somewhat long quest to get to CWC in the first place. You needed to complete one quest in MW before the dailies were unlocked too.

Even though I've had ESO+ for a few months when the CWC celebration came around, I hadn't started it yet. I got all the tickets offered at that time despite the fact that I was unlocking them as I went through the story while the celebration was going on.

The problem, IMO, is that both DB and TG require other dailies to the player to advance the story. That might cause a little problem, although tbh, unlocking the dailies doesn't take long.

I didn't say it's not doable, but it's definitely not comparable.

You can unlock Morrowind, CWC, and DB dailies in the time it takes simply to unlock TG dailies.

There's a lot more footwork for these than for the previous events, and that's if you're geared and familiar with them already.

Jaraal

Incidentally, if you are Rank 8 in the Dark Brotherhood, and have finished the quest "The Wrath of Sithis", but not started or completed the next quest in line, you will NOT be able to do Sacraments, as Speaker Terenus will not be in his usual sacrament quest giving location. You will have to finish the next chapter of the DB questline before he returns to his usual location.

I found this out the hard way today when trying to practice my sacraments with one of my characters. Glad I didn't have to waste time chasing it during the actual event!

albesca

mystkldrgnb14_ESO wrote: »

Also good tip - the "Boss spawn" timer (the one you have to beat getting out in order to get extra rewards) - doesn't START until you loot the main objective in the quest. (I think that's the theives guild one but I get them confused LOL)

Save it for the "last" thing you do (whether running efficiently or or whatever) - be even a little aware of your escape route (fastest way to the door is usually best) - and you won't have any problem beating the timer.

This is true only for the sacraments (Dark Brotherhood dailies), in case of the Thieves guild heists the timer starts as soon as you enter the quest area (when you teleport you get to a lobby of sorts and can stay there as much as you want to switch gear and whatever).

SaintSubwayy

OMG cant wait for my double whiskers from MoL

srsly, why do we not get Doubledropps for gear in there @ZOS_GinaBruno ...other Trials get double loot, but MoL wont, can we please get a explanation for that?

Shawn_PT

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

"not nodes from Survey Reports"

They exist for Hews Bane?!

They don't. Neither for the Gold Coast. Or CWC. Or Murkmire. Or Vvardenfell. Or Summerset. Yet we have them for Wrothgar. I guess it's because Wrothgar used to be the 'endgame' area for crafting, before they changed the system.

Wish they'd keep things consistent.

kringled_1

Surveys do exist for Vvardenfell, but otherwise you're correct.

Shawn_PT

I stand corrected then. Just posting off the top of my head. But yeah. WTB consistency.

Edit: come to think of it, do people with no + or no DLC still get surveys for areas they can't access? Because seeing as they're bound, that would totally suck (sorry for going off topic).

anadandy

Sevn wrote: »

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.

2018:

Don't have access to the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood DLC game packs? During the event, you can pick both of them up from the in-game Crown Store for just 500 crowns each. That's a saving of 1500 crowns!

Even better, the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Collector's Bundles are also both on sale. These two bundles will be available for 1600 crowns each – a saving of 2400 crowns.

2019:

Throughout this dark event, you can acquire both the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood DLC game packs for a steal, with both available in the in-game Crown Store for 1,000 crowns.

Even better, you can snatch up the Dark Brotherhood Collector’s Bundle and the Thieves Guild Collector’s Bundle for 2,000 crowns each.

By this rate, they're gonna cost twice the original price in 2021. :P

Thought it was just me losing my memory when I saw that. I noticed it more so when Clockwork City didn't get the same price as those 2 had last year.

Something has changed within Zos over the last few months or so, the usefulness of the dailies has dropped, forget about getting anything good, the discounts are laughable and they are raising the cost of items as if players won't notice.

We noticed.

Yeah. I was all set to gift TG for 500 crowns, but not 1000. I just find it odd that the DLCs are another year older but the price went UP...