TG/DB event announcement

Knootewoot

Oh my god, they don't think of the roleplayers.

Want to have a goody little toeshoes characters? Well no tickets for you. Because you need to steal and murder.

Meanwhile at the crownstore...

Number_51

Knootewoot wrote: »

Oh my god, they don't think of the roleplayers.

Want to have a goody little toeshoes characters? Well no tickets for you. Because you need to steal and murder.

Meanwhile at the crownstore...

Agreed, I'm in the same boat and am a bit disappointed they didn't add tickets to delve and boss dailies. I mainly play on PS4 NA and it's no issue there. But I created an EU character for the Summerfall event and have enjoyed playing it on occasion. Unfortunately the character is lawful/good and won't even be joining TG/DB much less doing Sacraments and Heists. Not really interested in creating a second character for EU at this point.

Oh well, not really concerned either way, just disappointed (as usual).

Everstorm

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Ugh. I love DB and TG, but Sacraments and Heists are literally my least favorite parts of those DLCs (I HATE that they put any sort of timer on stealth missions. You're penalized for taking your time on a stealth mission?! WTF?!)

I was looking forward to this event, because stealth stuff is my jam... but this is just disappointing. I'm going to do enough to get my berry, then go back to pickpocketing and contracts, because those are WAY more fun than Sacraments and Heists. Yuck yuck yuck.

You don't get penalized for taking your time, you get a bonus for being efficient. Like Merlin said: practice makes perfect, and using the right gear helps a lot. If you invest the time and effort you get slightly better reward, up to you to decide if that better loot is worth the investment.

BlackSparrow

Everstorm wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Ugh. I love DB and TG, but Sacraments and Heists are literally my least favorite parts of those DLCs (I HATE that they put any sort of timer on stealth missions. You're penalized for taking your time on a stealth mission?! WTF?!)

I was looking forward to this event, because stealth stuff is my jam... but this is just disappointing. I'm going to do enough to get my berry, then go back to pickpocketing and contracts, because those are WAY more fun than Sacraments and Heists. Yuck yuck yuck.

You don't get penalized for taking your time, you get a bonus for being efficient. Like Merlin said: practice makes perfect, and using the right gear helps a lot. If you invest the time and effort you get slightly better reward, up to you to decide if that better loot is worth the investment.

In this case, a bonus for succeeding at an objective is functionally the same as a penalty for not succeeding at an objective.

See, the problem is that the very presence of a timer makes it stressful for me. I HATE being timed, because I'm bad at acting under pressure. I get overwhelmed very easily by that sort of pressure. It doesn't matter that it's optional. I still feel that stress.

It's also a matter of principle. To me, who grew up playing the old Thief games in the middle of the night, stealth gameplay has always been about patience. In a good stealth game, you can take your time to scope things out, and wait for the perfect moment when the guards are all in the perfect position and use the perfect tool for the job. My favorite thing to do in any stealth game was and still is "ghosting," where you get in, complete your objective, and get out again without ever being detected. That's always been the challenge of stealth play, for me. Adding a timer to it was never, ever the point, and I find it just distracts from the core of stealth play. The fact that it's an optional objective is missing the point.

Basically, the presence of a timer on Heists and Sacraments sucks all the fun out of it for me. I love stealth play, but those two things just hit the wrong notes for me to take any fun out of those two dailies. So I maintain my "yuck, yuck, yuck."

Mojmir

whats so hard about adding dbl drops from treasure chests? do it zo$
and add new stuff to these yearly events.

kmcaj

Completed both dlc main quests already a while ago but probably not much else. Only have one toon and no plans to start another. Have enough crowns for one of these once on sale. Which one is better or has more playability after questline?

A_Silverius

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

A_Silverius wrote: »

Where my Bosmer stealth at ZOS? https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bosmer#The_Rite_of_Theft

It's the right of theft.

There's nothing there about the right of not getting caught.

Well, being expert thieves naturally means you don't get caught that often and have to be quite stealthy no?

Also: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5866739/#Comment_5866739

And Also:
Skyrim

ESO *Facepalm*

wedgebert

A_Silverius wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

A_Silverius wrote: »

Where my Bosmer stealth at ZOS? https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bosmer#The_Rite_of_Theft

It's the right of theft.

There's nothing there about the right of not getting caught.

Well, being expert thieves naturally means you don't get caught that often and have to be quite stealthy no?

Also: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5866739/#Comment_5866739

Or my favorite bit of Bosmer lore (at least since we stopped being Bomser and became Cat Elves)

Pocket Guide to the Empire wrote:

"For a brief time the Colovian armies used Wood Elf archers, as in the War of Rihad two years past. The Bosmer proved to be too undisciplined and prone to desertion for further use. They would sometimes walk into the shade of a single tree and vanish. Their forest-coupling skills are remarkable. The title of their most famous poem, the Meh Ayleidion, means "The One Thousand Benefits of Hiding."

From Pocket Guide to the Empire

I can't say I've found any lore saying Khajiit are that good at stealth. They've always come across as pickpockets or cat burglars (some pun intended), using their agility to not get caught. While Bosmer will slip in unnoticed and steal your stuff, even if we can't take it out of your pockets as easily.

FrancisCrawford

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

In anticipation of this event, I did have one char join and progress the TG enough to get access to the daily heist quests. Did one to check it out and make sure I was ready. Missed the timer but never got seen and it worked out okay. Is it indeed possible to just go in bow-ablazing and simply kill everything in sight while you grab the objectives and still complete the quest? Don't care about loot beyond the one event tix. And one tix a day is fine for me so I can continue to avoid those nasty assassins in the DB. Lol.

Yes. A heist area is much like a delve, just a delve with about 4 chests, no skyshard, and a boss you're trying to avoid rather than farm. You can kill everybody you meet and loot their bodies and furniture, without bounty.

Everstorm

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Ugh. I love DB and TG, but Sacraments and Heists are literally my least favorite parts of those DLCs (I HATE that they put any sort of timer on stealth missions. You're penalized for taking your time on a stealth mission?! WTF?!)

I was looking forward to this event, because stealth stuff is my jam... but this is just disappointing. I'm going to do enough to get my berry, then go back to pickpocketing and contracts, because those are WAY more fun than Sacraments and Heists. Yuck yuck yuck.

You don't get penalized for taking your time, you get a bonus for being efficient. Like Merlin said: practice makes perfect, and using the right gear helps a lot. If you invest the time and effort you get slightly better reward, up to you to decide if that better loot is worth the investment.

In this case, a bonus for succeeding at an objective is functionally the same as a penalty for not succeeding at an objective.

See, the problem is that the very presence of a timer makes it stressful for me. I HATE being timed, because I'm bad at acting under pressure. I get overwhelmed very easily by that sort of pressure. It doesn't matter that it's optional. I still feel that stress.

It's also a matter of principle. To me, who grew up playing the old Thief games in the middle of the night, stealth gameplay has always been about patience. In a good stealth game, you can take your time to scope things out, and wait for the perfect moment when the guards are all in the perfect position and use the perfect tool for the job. My favorite thing to do in any stealth game was and still is "ghosting," where you get in, complete your objective, and get out again without ever being detected. That's always been the challenge of stealth play, for me. Adding a timer to it was never, ever the point, and I find it just distracts from the core of stealth play. The fact that it's an optional objective is missing the point.

Basically, the presence of a timer on Heists and Sacraments sucks all the fun out of it for me. I love stealth play, but those two things just hit the wrong notes for me to take any fun out of those two dailies. So I maintain my "yuck, yuck, yuck."

Tastes differ, I respect that. But I feel that avoiding detection is too easy in these missions to make it just about that without any further pressure.

randomkeyhits

kmcaj wrote: »

Completed both dlc main quests already a while ago but probably not much else. Only have one toon and no plans to start another. Have enough crowns for one of these once on sale. Which one is better or has more playability after questline?

Tough call, I'd possibly edge it towards DB as you get the blade of woe and there are more motifs to farm there. Also the blade of woe nicely complements the TG dailies but you can't use it in a heist if you want to get in under the 8 minute timer.

Story wise its purely whether you prefer a thieving premise or an assassins one.

Taleof2Cities

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

join us, the people who have given up getting the mount variations so that we literally dont burn out on eso because of grinding these "events" to get this "fun reward".

Not participating in the events is perfectly fine ... just don’t expect free tickets because you’re “burnt out”.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Well this event sucks. I hate these quests and I hate it even more when they force us into sneaky quests during main stories

DarcyMardin

Ugh to heists and sacraments. Fortunately I got enough tickets to buy the new berry from the last event.

max_only

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Well this event sucks. I hate these quests and I hate it even more when they force us into sneaky quests during main stories

Get ready for Elsweyr lol

Mr_Walker

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Ugh. I love DB and TG, but Sacraments and Heists are literally my least favorite parts of those DLCs (I HATE that they put any sort of timer on stealth missions. You're penalized for taking your time on a stealth mission?! WTF?!)

I was looking forward to this event, because stealth stuff is my jam... but this is just disappointing. I'm going to do enough to get my berry, then go back to pickpocketing and contracts, because those are WAY more fun than Sacraments and Heists. Yuck yuck yuck.

You don't get penalized for taking your time, you get a bonus for being efficient. Like Merlin said: practice makes perfect, and using the right gear helps a lot. If you invest the time and effort you get slightly better reward, up to you to decide if that better loot is worth the investment.

In this case, a bonus for succeeding at an objective is functionally the same as a penalty for not succeeding at an objective.

See, the problem is that the very presence of a timer makes it stressful for me. I HATE being timed, because I'm bad at acting under pressure. I get overwhelmed very easily by that sort of pressure. It doesn't matter that it's optional. I still feel that stress.

It's also a matter of principle. To me, who grew up playing the old Thief games in the middle of the night, stealth gameplay has always been about patience. In a good stealth game, you can take your time to scope things out, and wait for the perfect moment when the guards are all in the perfect position and use the perfect tool for the job. My favorite thing to do in any stealth game was and still is "ghosting," where you get in, complete your objective, and get out again without ever being detected. That's always been the challenge of stealth play, for me. Adding a timer to it was never, ever the point, and I find it just distracts from the core of stealth play. The fact that it's an optional objective is missing the point.

Basically, the presence of a timer on Heists and Sacraments sucks all the fun out of it for me. I love stealth play, but those two things just hit the wrong notes for me to take any fun out of those two dailies. So I maintain my "yuck, yuck, yuck."

So don't be stealthy. Go in there and kick 10 shades of crap out of every NPC you can find.

Merlin13KAGL

kmcaj wrote: »

Completed both dlc main quests already a while ago but probably not much else. Only have one toon and no plans to start another. Have enough crowns for one of these once on sale. Which one is better or has more playability after questline?

@kmcaj , regarding continued play, there's basically just dailies and repeatables. So, it honestly comes down to if you'd prefer murder or thievery more. I personally thing DB had the better of the two storylines.

TG will make (cost?) you more gold in the long run (not counting motif sales).

DB will give you more satisfaction, next time an irritating NPC decides to spout something inappropriate as you pass.

wedgebert

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

DB will give you more satisfaction, next time an irritating NPC decides to spout something inappropriate as you pass.

If that were actually true, I would go do the DB quests. Unfortunately Curtaros is not a justice NPC so I'll be forever damned to hear about his star-eyed bride

Loves_guars

oh pfff nvm, I'll pass on this event.

Merlin13KAGL

The other thing that apparently has not occurred to them: If you don't yet own the DLC, it's going to take a certain amount of footwork before you can even do the thing you need to do to earn the ticket.

Granted, it's not hours and hours, but it's still a delay they have not considered - a delay that hasn't really been present in any other event.

People are going to assume they can purchase the DLC and just go.

TempPlayer

Knootewoot wrote: »

Oh my god, they don't think of the roleplayers.

Want to have a goody little toeshoes characters? Well no tickets for you. Because you need to steal and murder.

Meanwhile at the crownstore...

That is why they are selling event ticket in crown store so that you can use you honest hard earn cash to buy crown, then the ticket. Stay lawful good and get all the ticket you need.

max_only

You’re assuming there won’t be a free eso plus event simultaneously like there always is...

mreisse

I have a full set of extra feathers, I don't want the Dawnwood AND I have 12 tickets saved up, so it looks like I'm skipping the event grind this round. Phew, vacation! Maybe a WB if anyone is offering groups for it

bongtokin420insd16

so did i read this right, but no double drops on quest coffers this year?

Lylith

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Completed both dlc main quests already a while ago but probably not much else. Only have one toon and no plans to start another. Have enough crowns for one of these once on sale. Which one is better or has more playability after questline?

@kmcaj , regarding continued play, there's basically just dailies and repeatables. So, it honestly comes down to if you'd prefer murder or thievery more. I personally thing DB had the better of the two storylines.

TG will make (cost?) you more gold in the long run (not counting motif sales).

DB will give you more satisfaction, next time an irritating NPC decides to spout something inappropriate as you pass.

it's a shame we can't blade of woe some of these mouthy town guards, though.

otoh, there'd be whole towns with nothing but dead ones, too.

linoge63

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Ugh. I love DB and TG, but Sacraments and Heists are literally my least favorite parts of those DLCs (I HATE that they put any sort of timer on stealth missions. You're penalized for taking your time on a stealth mission?! WTF?!)

I was looking forward to this event, because stealth stuff is my jam... but this is just disappointing. I'm going to do enough to get my berry, then go back to pickpocketing and contracts, because those are WAY more fun than Sacraments and Heists. Yuck yuck yuck.

I totally agree re the timers.

I really enjoy these dlcs yet if they who chose to place timers on these missions could read my mind, they know exactly what they can do with them --imo these timers took really well done and enjoyable dlcs (minus that wench who receives your completed thieves 's quest) and neutered them inserting these timers--imo

Taleof2Cities

linoge63 wrote: »

I totally agree re the timers.

I really enjoy these dlcs yet if they who chose to place timers on these missions could read my mind, they know exactly what they can do with them --imo these timers took really well done and enjoyable dlcs (minus that wench who receives your completed thieves 's quest) and neutered them inserting these timers--imo

I've down flawless heists on my PvP Templar Healer and my PvE Tank. It's really not that difficult with a few practice runs and some invisibility pots. Not that you need flawless heists to get event tickets ... you only need to complete the heist.

There is still a day and a half to get the quest lines in and practice up on heists and sacraments before the event's official start.

The other option is to spend more time whining in the forums about (a) skipping the event, (b) not liking the timers, or (c) how unfair life is.

Hotdog_23

Yes the events can get boring and long in the tooth. it is not a job but a game to be enjoyed. If you start doing something and decided before hand it is not good and no fun but a chore then guess what, it will be a chore and not fun.

It will take like 10-15 minutes a day to do both quest for 2 tickets. No one says you have to do it on all of your characters and on both servers.

I think it is good that ZOS does these events in game. It shows they are still working on making the game fun and enjoyable for those that want to participate and for those that don't then nothing changes and you can keep doing what you enjoy.

Sorry for the rant but the amount of whiner's on the forum sometimes about something extra and free is unbelievable. Sure if you think they (ZOS) can do better then suggest it.

templesus

D....ddouble defiled whiskers from vMoL? Has to be a joke? That’s the funniest thing I think I’ve read all year.

Way to give players no incentive to go in there. Is it really so hard to do double drops like the previous two? Sincerely out of touch with the player base and it’s appauling.

max_only

templesus wrote: »

D....ddouble defiled whiskers from vMoL? Has to be a joke? That’s the funniest thing I think I’ve read all year.

Way to give players no incentive to go in there. Is it really so hard to do double drops like the previous two? Sincerely out of touch with the player base and it’s appauling.

What in there is good? List it out for us.

I only care about Alkosh for my tank and that can be farmed on normal.