PLEASE HELP MAGBLADE!

ChefZero

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

You're using two hard CC and siphoning attacks, that's the reason.

Iskiab

casparian wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

Your only heal is Siphoning Attacks. How do you survive? Just cloak and leave when people look at you?

Healing ward and high magicka recovery for cloaking often. As long as you don’t get caught in aoes and have a shield source you can cloak away a ton of damage. Shield’s necessary for the occassional attack that gets through.

That’s how I used to play it and used Iceheart instead of healing ward. You’d be surprised at how well it works, ends up being like a pvp tank because cloaking often sacrifices damage but your survivability shoots up. Against players who can’t counter it I remember fighting some 1v3s with no defensive set. Crushing hits 3x so cloaking being an auto crit means you’ll usually proc it ever 2nd crushing.

Issue I found was moreso after combat. I’d take someone out and be running around half health with no way to heal myself.

I ran double destro so couldn’t add rapid regen on my back bar.

In his situation I’d try switching out healing ward and use iceheart instead, then try the psijiic channel where it regens resources and see if you like it better. Issue is finding a place to hide to use the channel.

HowlKimchi

ChefZero wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

You're using two hard CC and siphoning attacks, that's the reason.

destructive reach and fear are redundant. I'd also get rid of impale in favor of ele drain.

brandonv516

casparian wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

Your only heal is Siphoning Attacks. How do you survive? Just cloak and leave when people look at you?

LOL yeah it's very risky but I'm on the offense hard until I need to be evasive.

I also make use of Healing Ward in Cloak. Then of course the Resto ultimate when absolutely necessary.

I also run Engine Guardian but the "heal" part is not reliable.

Iskiab

brandonv516 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

Your only heal is Siphoning Attacks. How do you survive? Just cloak and leave when people look at you?

LOL yeah it's very risky but I'm on the offense hard until I need to be evasive.

I also make use of Healing Ward in Cloak. Then of course the Resto ultimate when absolutely necessary.

I also run Engine Guardian but the "heal" part is not reliable.

Really? I’ve been meaning to try engine guardian but don’t have a heavy helm and medium shoulders. How do you like it? I wasn’t sure if the pet thing would be cloaked too.

Why not harness magicka instead of healing ward and use a destro staff on your back bar? Harnes magicka doesn’t break cloak but I think resto abilities do don’t they? Btw, as a healer I prefer soul siphon to the resto ultimate, it’s a bigger burst heal. You might also want to check undo out for when you get stunned.

brandonv516

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

Your only heal is Siphoning Attacks. How do you survive? Just cloak and leave when people look at you?

LOL yeah it's very risky but I'm on the offense hard until I need to be evasive.

I also make use of Healing Ward in Cloak. Then of course the Resto ultimate when absolutely necessary.

I also run Engine Guardian but the "heal" part is not reliable.

Really? I’ve been meaning to try engine guardian but don’t have a heavy helm and medium shoulders. How do you like it? I wasn’t sure if the pet thing would be cloaked too.

Why not harness magicka instead of healing ward and use a destro staff on your back bar? Harnes magicka doesn’t break cloak but I think resto abilities do don’t they? Btw, as a healer I prefer soul siphon to the resto ultimate, it’s a bigger burst heal. You might also want to check undo out for when you get stunned.

EG is great if you can be conscious of which guardian is active and take advantage of it. And I believe it's cloaked because players still have a hard time finding me when active.

The heal from Healing Ward is valuable if you can get it (which Cloak makes possible). In BGs I find Harness is too small of a reward for the cost.

As for Soul Siphon, I do run it on my healer NB. All of what I discussed is on my damage NB.

HaruKamui wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

You're using two hard CC and siphoning attacks, that's the reason.

destructive reach and fear are redundant. I'd also get rid of impale in favor of ele drain.

It might seem that way but my back bar is for evading, and Fear helps get away from multiple opponents - reach is for single target front burst. Impale is beneficial for BGs (what I play 99% of my time).

Noctus

brandonv516 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

Your only heal is Siphoning Attacks. How do you survive? Just cloak and leave when people look at you?

LOL yeah it's very risky but I'm on the offense hard until I need to be evasive.

I also make use of Healing Ward in Cloak. Then of course the Resto ultimate when absolutely necessary.

I also run Engine Guardian but the "heal" part is not reliable.

Really? I’ve been meaning to try engine guardian but don’t have a heavy helm and medium shoulders. How do you like it? I wasn’t sure if the pet thing would be cloaked too.

Why not harness magicka instead of healing ward and use a destro staff on your back bar? Harnes magicka doesn’t break cloak but I think resto abilities do don’t they? Btw, as a healer I prefer soul siphon to the resto ultimate, it’s a bigger burst heal. You might also want to check undo out for when you get stunned.

EG is great if you can be conscious of which guardian is active and take advantage of it. And I believe it's cloaked because players still have a hard time finding me when active.

The heal from Healing Ward is valuable if you can get it (which Cloak makes possible). In BGs I find Harness is too small of a reward for the cost.

As for Soul Siphon, I do run it on my healer NB. All of what I discussed is on my damage NB.

HaruKamui wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

You're using two hard CC and siphoning attacks, that's the reason.

destructive reach and fear are redundant. I'd also get rid of impale in favor of ele drain.

It might seem that way but my back bar is for evading, and Fear helps get away from multiple opponents - reach is for single target front burst. Impale is beneficial for BGs (what I play 99% of my time).

i could swear i know u from EU

brandonv516

Noctus wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

Your only heal is Siphoning Attacks. How do you survive? Just cloak and leave when people look at you?

LOL yeah it's very risky but I'm on the offense hard until I need to be evasive.

I also make use of Healing Ward in Cloak. Then of course the Resto ultimate when absolutely necessary.

I also run Engine Guardian but the "heal" part is not reliable.

Really? I’ve been meaning to try engine guardian but don’t have a heavy helm and medium shoulders. How do you like it? I wasn’t sure if the pet thing would be cloaked too.

Why not harness magicka instead of healing ward and use a destro staff on your back bar? Harnes magicka doesn’t break cloak but I think resto abilities do don’t they? Btw, as a healer I prefer soul siphon to the resto ultimate, it’s a bigger burst heal. You might also want to check undo out for when you get stunned.

EG is great if you can be conscious of which guardian is active and take advantage of it. And I believe it's cloaked because players still have a hard time finding me when active.

The heal from Healing Ward is valuable if you can get it (which Cloak makes possible). In BGs I find Harness is too small of a reward for the cost.

As for Soul Siphon, I do run it on my healer NB. All of what I discussed is on my damage NB.

HaruKamui wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I can't find enough bar space for ED or RM. I need everything I have to be competitive:

FB
Force Pulse
Race Against Time
Destructive Reach
Impale
Merciless

BB
Cloak
Healing Ward
Fear
Shade
Siphoning Attacks

You're using two hard CC and siphoning attacks, that's the reason.

destructive reach and fear are redundant. I'd also get rid of impale in favor of ele drain.

It might seem that way but my back bar is for evading, and Fear helps get away from multiple opponents - reach is for single target front burst. Impale is beneficial for BGs (what I play 99% of my time).

i could swear i know u from EU

Nope Xbox NA only.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

brandonv516

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Welcome back! Get rid of the guaranteed crit with Cloak and give us a purge - would love this!

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Hey, guys.

I have a melee MagBlade Stamina sustain question. I'm currently running an Altmer and getting it geared up for eventual dueling. I'm using Leeching Strikes, Relentless Focus, and 1 Stamina sustain glyph on my jewelry to keep my Stamina topped off.

Do y'all think the Altmer's Spell Recharge (I'm running Concealed Weapon as my spammable) or the Dunmer's flat Stamina pool increase are more effective for Stamina management in a 1v1 situation?

As far as survivability, I am running Introspection from the Psijic skill line on my back bar. Would the Altmer's additional 5% damage reduction be more beneficial when coupled with the Deliberation passive, or would the Dunmer's flame resistance passive/burning immunity be more useful in a duel?

Thanks in advance for you input.

kaithuzar

@milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
I don’t know how well altmer’s passive works as I instantly re-rolled to Breton.

But, in my opinion, I think the preferred thing to do is run all or at least most tri-stat glyphs on armor. Secondly, I would recommend almost evening out your magic recovery & stam recovery in the cp tree.
To me, recovery is of greater importance than max stat. So I’m a big proponent of sets that give both magic & stam:
Amberplasm, willows path, or shacklebreaker & then pair that with either a dmg set or a tanky set & use monster set + glyph for the opposite to balance it out.

kaithuzar

Has anyone ever thought of/tried using higher stam recovery/better stam sustain & using re-arming trap in place of fear?
I know it’s a stam skill/magblade pve “let me inflate my dummy parse” skill but I feel like I would rather use that than fear trap, maybe even over normal fear?
It probably won’t work as well open world but you’ve got to admit cc + crit dmg buff sounds like bar saving goodness.

Knootewoot

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Sadly buffing cloak has one issue. It also buffs the already strong stamblades. I still think cloak, or at least the invisible morph, should require 5 pieces of light armor.
Or perhaps add a bonus (snare removal) which requires 5 pieces of light armor.

ChefZero

kaithuzar wrote: »

Has anyone ever thought of/tried using higher stam recovery/better stam sustain & using re-arming trap in place of fear?
I know it’s a stam skill/magblade pve “let me inflate my dummy parse” skill but I feel like I would rather use that than fear trap, maybe even over normal fear?
It probably won’t work as well open world but you’ve got to admit cc + crit dmg buff sounds like bar saving goodness.

Go amber plasm and dunmer or imperial, never have to worry about stam sustain.

Rearming trap isn't as hard CC. Anyway traps are awesome tools in general. You can run fear trap + rearming trap + scalding rune efficiently no matter on stam or mag NB just because you can hit with 3 traps and incap in 1 second and not like fear > gcd > incap > gcd > assassins...

fred4

brandonv516 wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Welcome back! Get rid of the guaranteed crit with Cloak and give us a purge - would love this!

And break Caluurion? No thank you.

fred4

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Hey, guys.

I have a melee MagBlade Stamina sustain question. I'm currently running an Altmer and getting it geared up for eventual dueling. I'm using Leeching Strikes, Relentless Focus, and 1 Stamina sustain glyph on my jewelry to keep my Stamina topped off.

Do y'all think the Altmer's Spell Recharge (I'm running Concealed Weapon as my spammable) or the Dunmer's flat Stamina pool increase are more effective for Stamina management in a 1v1 situation?

As far as survivability, I am running Introspection from the Psijic skill line on my back bar. Would the Altmer's additional 5% damage reduction be more beneficial when coupled with the Deliberation passive, or would the Dunmer's flame resistance passive/burning immunity be more useful in a duel?

Thanks in advance for you input.

There are lots of answers already, but here goes. I use tri-stat gear enchants as a matter of principle. In my case they are also badly needed, as I don't use food that includes stamina. I have used Shacklebreaker and Amber Plasm in the past, although not together. My position is that you are going to run out of stamina no matter what. You're not wearing medium, you don't have a big pool, you don't have cost reduction, you don't have medium-sized stamina recovery. Amber Plasm sounds nice, but it's a drop in the ocean. When you're out, you're out, and it doesn't come back fast enough.

Shields were supposed to be your defense, but magblades, or at least my magblade, really got screwed over by the shield changes. I hear that shields work even better than before for sorcs who invest into resistances. I feel I cannot afford that on magblade. I lose too much damage. I used to be able to outshield Soul Assault. Now I can't. I hear sorcs use Harness + their other shield and get the magicka refund. That's laughable. I use Dampen and it was already on the small side before Murkmire. That said, I do not run a Necropotence build.

My approach is to watch my stamina like a hawk. If I get down to half, I cloak away and use Deep Thoughts. The one thing NB has going for it is that they can oftentimes disengage at will. Do that before you get into trouble. Don't overextend. I run a 2H / resto build, by the way, but I don't find 2H heavy attacks viable to get stamina back. They're risky, they don't do any damage, they get blocked, they get rolled, they get out-ranged. You waste so much time and are just as likely to get CCd and lose even more stamina.

If I get focused, I do everything in my power to get back into cloak. This could include the shade, but I don't use that anymore, because I run a speed build. I use Dampen, Healing Ward, possibly resto ult, Fear and Forward Momentum. If I make it, then I've probably broken free, dodge rolled once and used Momentum. My stamina is now completely gone, so I meditate.

What I haven't tried is wearing all Well-Fitted Impregnable armor. I wore Way of the Arena at one time in the past and found it nice, but ultimately decided against it. On other characters I use either Prisoner or Race Against Time or both. Being able to sprint at reduced cost is very nice, but redundant on a cloaking magblade. I also find Prisoner better on stamina characters, particularly stamsorcs. On magicka you sacrifice too much. The magicka recovery is more strategic, for use between fights, and as you are probably single-barring it, the ongoing stamina recovery from that set tends to be meagre.

When I open with a gank, I typically use Immovability / Detection / Magicka potions, which insulate you from stamina problems for 10 seconds.

Datthaw

kaithuzar wrote: »

Has anyone ever thought of/tried using higher stam recovery/better stam sustain & using re-arming trap in place of fear?
I know it’s a stam skill/magblade pve “let me inflate my dummy parse” skill but I feel like I would rather use that than fear trap, maybe even over normal fear?
It probably won’t work as well open world but you’ve got to admit cc + crit dmg buff sounds like bar saving goodness.

Trap only gives the crit buff, I would rather get that from psijic skill. As for the root, it would be redundant to cripple.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Knootewoot wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Sadly buffing cloak has one issue. It also buffs the already strong stamblades. I still think cloak, or at least the invisible morph, should require 5 pieces of light armor.
Or perhaps add a bonus (snare removal) which requires 5 pieces of light armor.

Very interesting idea here! Armor passives off certain abilities is a really intriguing option. I’d like this to gain traction! @Gilliamtherogue @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Also quick question, don’t have a ton of time to read through and see if it’s been answered. What’s been the go to new racial? I’m still using argonian and it’s not bad for my playstyle in BGs and solo openworld but the healing received nerf hurts a ton. Thinking of going back to old 1.6 days of Breton but not sure. Anyone have any luck with other racials?

Iskiab

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Do y'all think the Altmer's Spell Recharge (I'm running Concealed Weapon as my spammable) or the Dunmer's flat Stamina pool increase are more effective for Stamina management in a 1v1 situation?

Going to answer this just because I gave altmer a fair shake after the race changes. The stamina return is pretty good and it’s noticible. I don’t really duel so don’t know how much stamina you’d need, but for BGs it was helpful.

What I didn’t like was you’re not making any use of the channeled damage reduction. It’s basicly useless as a magblade so switched races.

I think it’s still better than dark elf though because the dark elf racial gives you weapon damage which would be equally useless.

My perspective is also a little different because I’m a healer but when I looked at the races what I preferred was max stats (stat did not matter) and mitigation. I usually go with a couple protective traits on jewellery so Breton and Nord jumped out at me as ways to save protective traits and add other stats instead.

If you’re going to duel with concealed as a spammable I’d use that build simulator and start with all tri-stat glyphs and triune jewellery traits (most max stats) and then play with different options until you get your stats where you want them. I’d even look at imperials because getting all three stats returned is better than one and would help your magicka sustain too. I’m not sure if protective and mitigation is the way to go for magblade in duels.

Classes typically try to be balanced in PvP but if you’re looking for burst you might be best off being lopsided towards damage and using cloak. If this is the case sustain’s the issue so Breton would be a no brainer.

Datthaw

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Also quick question, don’t have a ton of time to read through and see if it’s been answered. What’s been the go to new racial? I’m still using argonian and it’s not bad for my playstyle in BGs and solo openworld but the healing received nerf hurts a ton. Thinking of going back to old 1.6 days of Breton but not sure. Anyone have any luck with other racials?

I'm so close to going breton myself. Te only thing that keeps me a lizard atm is tri pot sustain. Yeah it's been nerfed, but it's still my stam sustain. If I wasn't a lizard I would probably need to run a set like amber or shackle, otherwise it will be a constant struggle.

Iskiab

Breton is really nice and gives me the most overall stats for my playstyle. The resists lets me use one less protective trait on my jewellery, so I have more stats, plus the extra sustain let me use a sp glyph instead of recovery as a healer.

If you’re a high magicka recovery magblade and cloak a lot I think they’re the best choice. Depends on your playstyle, but I’ve never tried argonian to compare. I’ve only tried altmer, nord and Breton.

+% healing has diminishing returns and you hit a point where you want sp or magicka. Using powered staff, healing mundus, having minor mending, sometimes major, etc... meant the sp glyph from being Breton was better for me than argonian.

HowlKimchi

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Sadly buffing cloak has one issue. It also buffs the already strong stamblades. I still think cloak, or at least the invisible morph, should require 5 pieces of light armor.
Or perhaps add a bonus (snare removal) which requires 5 pieces of light armor.

Very interesting idea here! Armor passives off certain abilities is a really intriguing option. I’d like this to gain traction! @Gilliamtherogue @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

that would kill stamblade class identity. being an assassin isn't unique to light armor... The second suggestion where light armor gives snare removal to cloak is okay though!

HowlKimchi

As for the race, i'm a dunmer. Always has been, and always will. Not the best but i'm never race changing my main

I'd say other good races are highelf, khajit, and argonian. I actually don't think breton is good since they way I see it, we need some sort of additional help to our stam sustain. We need to be able to roll because we dont have snare removal. I'm running a high tri-stat recovery magblade and it's very fluid for me. in BGs if there aren't a lot of wing spamming DKs i do very well. I just average at about 5:1 K:D. The additional stam sustain really helps my survival. roll -> cloak is a prett nice. My damage dealt isn't the highest. I think it's because im purely single target and I usually get kills not with sustained damage but with big instances of burst.

Fiktius

HaruKamui wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Sadly buffing cloak has one issue. It also buffs the already strong stamblades. I still think cloak, or at least the invisible morph, should require 5 pieces of light armor.
Or perhaps add a bonus (snare removal) which requires 5 pieces of light armor.

Very interesting idea here! Armor passives off certain abilities is a really intriguing option. I’d like this to gain traction! @Gilliamtherogue @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

that would kill stamblade class identity. being an assassin isn't unique to light armor... The second suggestion where light armor gives snare removal to cloak is okay though!

Not to mention heavy armor NBs! Imho class skills should never have armor weight requirements.
That would narrow down build variety too much. Every Nightblade should be able to use which ever morph they like in their class skills, no matter what kind of armor type they use.

HowlKimchi

Fiktius wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Sadly buffing cloak has one issue. It also buffs the already strong stamblades. I still think cloak, or at least the invisible morph, should require 5 pieces of light armor.
Or perhaps add a bonus (snare removal) which requires 5 pieces of light armor.

Very interesting idea here! Armor passives off certain abilities is a really intriguing option. I’d like this to gain traction! @Gilliamtherogue @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

that would kill stamblade class identity. being an assassin isn't unique to light armor... The second suggestion where light armor gives snare removal to cloak is okay though!

Not to mention heavy armor NBs! Imho class skills should never have armor weight requirements.
That would narrow down build variety too much. Every Nightblade should be able to use which ever morph they like in their class skills, no matter what kind of armor type they use.

Yep! Gettings buffs because of the armor you're wearing is fine though. Like our passive that increases the duration of major resolve and ward the more heavy armor pieces we are wearing.

exeeter702

Knootewoot wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Sadly buffing cloak has one issue. It also buffs the already strong stamblades. I still think cloak, or at least the invisible morph, should require 5 pieces of light armor.
Or perhaps add a bonus (snare removal) which requires 5 pieces of light armor.

Class ability use should never be locked behind armor class. That is a terrible idea.

Armor class should lean heavy into and reinforce the archetype you desire for your build, nothing more.

Jeezye

HaruKamui wrote: »

As for the race, i'm a dunmer. Always has been, and always will. Not the best but i'm never race changing my main

I'd say other good races are highelf, khajit, and argonian. I actually don't think breton is good since they way I see it, we need some sort of additional help to our stam sustain. We need to be able to roll because we dont have snare removal. I'm running a high tri-stat recovery magblade and it's very fluid for me. in BGs if there aren't a lot of wing spamming DKs i do very well. I just average at about 5:1 K:D. The additional stam sustain really helps my survival. roll -> cloak is a prett nice. My damage dealt isn't the highest. I think it's because im purely single target and I usually get kills not with sustained damage but with big instances of burst.

Given the class passives my approach has always been throwing a few stam recovery pieces into the gear. NBs generally benefit from recoveries alot, and when running two stam recovery pieces (e.g. shackle and bloodspawn), you have amazing stam sustain and can dodgeroll all day long. For now I'm running amberplasm and the added 250 recovery is enough to keep me rolling all day long. I wouln't suggest selecting your racial just by stam management

Knootewoot

exeeter702 wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I came back to magblade as a shell of what it once was. With no snare removal (give us back old cloak plz!!) and the huge lack of healing it’s been quite a struggle to do well with what used to work for me. I’ve had to adapt a lot and I still tear up BGs but cyrodill is rough. Been mostly running lich + necro + skoria or 1p1p and willpower destro. If I’m going tanky I go with the tried and true riposte + trans + skoria. Haven’t tried many new sets but these are the old school builds that are still working for me. If I was going for a 2H build I’d probably stick with what I was using with shackle + lich + zaan.

Hope this helps but magblade is in about the worst spot it’s ever been. I came back and messaged the best magblade I know for some build updates, his response was simple, “class is trash right now”. feels bad but maybe or time will come again. Did I mention I’d love our cloak purge back?

Sadly buffing cloak has one issue. It also buffs the already strong stamblades. I still think cloak, or at least the invisible morph, should require 5 pieces of light armor.
Or perhaps add a bonus (snare removal) which requires 5 pieces of light armor.

Class ability use should never be locked behind armor class. That is a terrible idea.

Armor class should lean heavy into and reinforce the archetype you desire for your build, nothing more.

Now you say it like this, i agree.
I find cloak however to powerfull on my stamblade combined with dodge roll and it's amazing burst. I prefer to play magblade and cloak there is really needed for survival.
But yeah, it's better to find a another solution then to restrict it to armor type. Balancing a PvP game is a ***. Especially when there is so much diversity even between the same classes whether it involved the armortype or world skills they can use. I think it is impossible.