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Upcoming Racial Balance Changes for Update 21

  • Shinshadow
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    Imperials were mediocre at best in tanking, healing, and stam / mag DPS. but to have them be a purchased race for just mediocrity is useless. I was hoping for some type of magic or stam sustain, but didn't hold my breath. Khajiit getting sustain buffs on top of crit buffs will clearly make them pretty OP as well.
  • Alaztor91
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    I like the Breton changes. While it won't beat Altmer in damage, the cost reduction increase looks really nice for PvP or Healing.
  • themaddaedra
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    I find these changes good in general. At least for magicka characters.

    Dunmer is not bis for both pvp and pve anymore. Until now Dunmer was bis even for magsorc. Imo Dunmer is now a better choice for pvp as max hp, burning status immunity and max stam mean a lot in there. Altmer is better for endgame groups with no sustain issues. Breton is very seductive for casual raiding in terms of helping sustain.

    People will QQ because their bis changed. But i as a magicka mainer like these changes overall.
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  • JobooAGS
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    grannas211 wrote: »
    Aliyavana wrote: »
    The only racial that matters for bosmer is being bis for cuteness

    The passives look very good as well

    What's good in there? :D redguards got exactly the same stamina and recovery, but on top of that 8% stamina cost decrease.
    Bosmers will be bow-rolling rofling jokers now, nothing more.

    With these regen modifiers for pve stambalde (7 med (.28) .15 nb passive .15 cp .1 relentless .2 potion) a bosmer's 258 regen becomes 485 regen. Redguard gets only 380 from adrenline rush while still having the same stam modifiers, having poison resists, and movement speed bonuses

    In a pvp perspective, we will assume nb with vampire, 5 medium, and 13% from cp. This will give you the same numbers. You can also add stealth detection too and movement speed is more prominent

    Seems like passive regen is better than active regen.

    Wow, minus 4% to stamina and health for extra 8% to stamrecovery. And you forgot about new 8% cost reduce on redguard. Well, overall bosmer was slightly improved, but redguard was directly buffed. Ok redguard will lose some maxstamina but with such cost reduction and sustain they can spam spammables even more to compensate.
    I'm overall okay with it, but tanking Argonians can expect to lose 1.5-2k health. Hoping ZOS can meet us in the middle over that. 1000 is not a good compensation for losing 9% max health especially if we're losing healing received.

    Read devs comment, in their opinion argonians were clearly overperforming so they quite severely nerfed them while buffing others
    Aliyavana wrote: »
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    Edaphon wrote: »
    Wood Elf

    [*]Stealthy: Reduces detection Radius by 3m and Increases Damage Done in Stealth by 10% → Hunter’s Eye: Increases your Stealth detection radius by 3m. After you use Roll Dodge you gain 20% Movement Speed for 3 seconds.

      Can we please get something useful instead?
      Reduced cost for roll dodge for example. Even just +10 health would be better than this.

      no, 20 percent speed buff is amazing

      You do realize that this is a weaker version of a passive that already exists in the Bow skill line -- which most Bosmer are probably already going to have due to their other passive? The +3m stealth detection bonus is a huge nothing since nearly 0.0% of PvE enemies use stealth. So, really, Bosmer completely lose a racial passive.

      it will be useful if you do not run bow for mobility and its likely going to stack with other speed buffs since it seems to be a unique one, so ya it is useful

      It won't help much if you are snared.. if this bonus also (or) removed all snares this will nice buff to overall survivability and unique one. Now it's just useful for niche pvp builds for 0.1% of players.

      The 8% cost reduction is only for weapon skills.
      What hp bonus?
      Also bosmer and redguard in this situation have the same stam bonuses 2k stam.

      % bonus to HP, stamina and magicka from undaunted passive, don't tell me you run 7 medium pieces.. and what means weapon skills? Reduced cost of hail, poison arrow, twin slashes, spin-to-win etc is nothing?

      Pve yes 7 med. And as a bosmer you can run 5:1:1 too.
      Pvp I run 0:5:2
      Edited by JobooAGS on January 17, 2019 6:08AM
    • Diminish
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      Inb4 the impending doom of high elf pet sorcs.
    • Faint_One
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      If you want to push Dummer to be a balanced choice between mag and stam,make them both viable but not cut higher part to lower is a better way
      And also like the differences between redguard and orc,high elf earn more damage passives,which have 258mag damage and also 2000max magicka(Redguard are similar as Breton,but orc only have 500max stam)
    • Anhedonie
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      Nicely done. Now we at least will have balanced racials.
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    • templesus
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      On first glance it is disappointing that Stamina doesn’t have a true High Elf equivalent...my only gripe.
    • Heimpai
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      Did they seriously just nerf my bosmer sustain? Well guess I’ll turn her into a bow spamming build
    • xAk_MoRRoWiNdx
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      dogman wrote: »
      gilliam is worse at balancing stuff than wrobel thats an accomplishment

      I'm not sure he was the one that made the balance changes. Perhaps it was the people above him that did it?

      Perhaps don't shoot the messenger?
      New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
      Gamer from Alaska (907 Gamers, Alaskan Gamers Unite!).
      My little rant I guess?:
        One day Nightblades will get the buffs we desperately need and deserve, but so far, those buffs are not today.. The Elder Scrolls Online: Nightblade Nerfs Unlimited.
        Don't nerf you, don't nerf me, nerf the sorc behind the tree!.


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        CP level 1000+! Playing since 2015.

        My wishlist I suppose:
        • PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
        • Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
        • MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
        • Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
        • Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
        • Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .

        My 10 characters:
        • AD - xak-Morrowindx - Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. Hours: 107 days, 19 hours (2,568 hours).
        • EP - Ich bin Groot - Orc Stamina Dragonknight. Hours: 2 days, 16 hours (64 hours).
        • DC - Who Took My Bleach - Orc Stamina Sorcerer. Hours: 3 days, 18 hours. (90 hours).
        • EP - Niada Zaennon - High Elf Magicka Nightblade. Hours: 15 days, 18 hours (378 hours).
        • AD - Healsyournoobazzwithmemes - Argonian Magicka Templar. Hours: 1 day, 9 hours (33 hours)
        • DC - Engulfing Traps - Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight. Hours: 7 days, 17 hours (129 hours).
        • AD - Verführung - High Elf Magicka Sorcerer. Hours: 5 days, 9 hours (129 hours)
        • DC - Deadazz catch these birds - Nord Stamina Warden. Hours: 6 days, 21 hours (165 hours)
        • EP - So Bendy - Wood Elf Stamina Templar. Hours: 1 day, 15 hours (39 hours)
        • EP - Smash that mf Like button - Breton Magicka Warden. Hours: 20 hours, 20 minutes.

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      • Khivas_Carrick
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        If I were you, I'd make the Redguard's Martial Training reduce the cost of all Stamina Abilities instead of just Weapon ones if they're supposed to be master martial artists

        Dark Elf is gonna be a freaking beast, no matter the class or build.

        The rest are mostly actually kinda cool.

        Imperial seems a bit watered down tho.
        Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!
      • Mayrael
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        Hahahaha haha I'm laughing so hard. While era wanted nerf Argonians, but this is not how balance works lol, I was telling you how this will end:
        Mayrael wrote: »
        Pitiful whiners, you really think they will nerf Argonians leaving Altmer, Bretons or Redguards untouched? Facepalm... With a chair. The mighty nerf hammer is OTW and no one will be safe thanks to you.

        I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.

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      • Tommy_The_Gun
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        Thanks for posting it out. You have no idea what a relief it is too me (I expected the worst). Since the eso stream, share thinking of those upcomming racial changes were giving me a head ache. Now
        i can finnaly calm down. Later I will post some thoughts on those changes.
      • Savos_Saren
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        @ZOS_Gilliam

        Pretty damn good changes, bud. People haven't realized yet how Dunmer is, perhaps, the most versatile race out there. Argonians will still be great as healers or tanks. Khajiit will now cater to PVP, PVE, and (ironically) casual RPers. This, all the while, allows people to still min/max their characters to be higher DPS/Tank/Healer builds with Altmer, Breton, Redguard, Orc, Imperial, Bosmer, and Nord.
        Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.

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      • JobooAGS
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        So is this a big FU to redguard sorcerers? So now your saying any class that doesn't have a magic bonus has no business being a magic user or sorcerer class?

        I thought the race change was supposed to bring about more diversity in choices for a race? But your saying completely the opposite.

        And *** NO, I aint going to change my race just to fit your mold. I'd rather quit this game.

        There is the weapon cost reduction passive
      • MartiniDaniels
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        I find these changes good in general. At least for magicka characters.

        Dunmer is not bis for both pvp and pve anymore. Until now Dunmer was bis even for magsorc. Imo Dunmer is now a better choice for pvp as max hp, burning status immunity and max stam mean a lot in there. Altmer is better for endgame groups with no sustain issues. Breton is very seductive for casual raiding in terms of helping sustain.

        People will QQ because their bis changed. But i as a magicka mainer like these changes overall.

        Let me translate your post - i have magicka pve chars and they are altmers, healers are bretons. I'm glad that my sustain is buffed and my counterpart dunmer is now purely inferior in PVE and moved to some original hybrid niche in PVP. Argonian healers were nerfed too. Still they need to increase max magicka for altmer and breton to 3000 to match dunmers 1250+1250+600, in general changes are good.
      • Tasear
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        For the people complaining about the changes, it was a long time coming. But I'm still baffled why they're buffing Redguard sustain over nerfing it. You're buffing the other stam races but making the top sustain one ever better?? It makes no sense.

        Human perception is interesting concept.
      • xAk_MoRRoWiNdx
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        This is the first wave of notes guys, perhaps they'll change things. These are probably the most radical changes ZoS has done for anything since the great Morrowind sustain nerfs so I don't think this is final. They'll probably adjust values but knowing how they work, they most likely won't do further reworks or revisions of the big things though I could be wrong (and I hope I am).

        Anyone else agree?
        New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
        Gamer from Alaska (907 Gamers, Alaskan Gamers Unite!).
        My little rant I guess?:
          One day Nightblades will get the buffs we desperately need and deserve, but so far, those buffs are not today.. The Elder Scrolls Online: Nightblade Nerfs Unlimited.
          Don't nerf you, don't nerf me, nerf the sorc behind the tree!.


          If you need help or advice, hit me up on Xbox: H4rry Poggers :D .
          Also open to talking on Discord!

          Ich kann Deutsch Sprechen bei der mittleren/zwischen Kenntnissen Ebene. Hallo! :D.

          CP level 1000+! Playing since 2015.

          My wishlist I suppose:
          • PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
          • Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
          • MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
          • Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
          • Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
          • Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .

          My 10 characters:
          • AD - xak-Morrowindx - Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. Hours: 107 days, 19 hours (2,568 hours).
          • EP - Ich bin Groot - Orc Stamina Dragonknight. Hours: 2 days, 16 hours (64 hours).
          • DC - Who Took My Bleach - Orc Stamina Sorcerer. Hours: 3 days, 18 hours. (90 hours).
          • EP - Niada Zaennon - High Elf Magicka Nightblade. Hours: 15 days, 18 hours (378 hours).
          • AD - Healsyournoobazzwithmemes - Argonian Magicka Templar. Hours: 1 day, 9 hours (33 hours)
          • DC - Engulfing Traps - Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight. Hours: 7 days, 17 hours (129 hours).
          • AD - Verführung - High Elf Magicka Sorcerer. Hours: 5 days, 9 hours (129 hours)
          • DC - Deadazz catch these birds - Nord Stamina Warden. Hours: 6 days, 21 hours (165 hours)
          • EP - So Bendy - Wood Elf Stamina Templar. Hours: 1 day, 15 hours (39 hours)
          • EP - Smash that mf Like button - Breton Magicka Warden. Hours: 20 hours, 20 minutes.

          Aldmeri Dominion Master-Faction!
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