The crown store is affecting the main game for the worse

NorthernNightmare

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall then a large chunk of the appeal of an mmo is locked up as well. Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd. Making your character special compared to those around. Sure this isnt how everyone plays but if everyone looked the same a large chunk of players wouldnt be here.

The indrik mount in the store
This game suffers a lot from making all the cool mounts behind a paywall... they finally release a mount that needs to be earned via gameplay and grinding so when you use it you can proudly sh- SIKE


Whats to stop em from putting the worm wizard personality or all the dungeon skins in the crownstore. It devalues the skin as players wont know if you did all the hard work or just bought it. 'Let people have fun and spend money if they want'. There are plenty of money only options... Why shouldnt there be some cool gameplay only ones?

Snowcap Fledgling Gryphon
To celebrate the gift giving period.. gift your fellow players and get this cool pet.
All good
SIKE

Now my main issue here is there was no indication it wouldnt only be for gifting. If it was stated it would be in the store later on thats fine.. but it gave a false sense of pressure to do the gifts now when surpise, you can also buy it later.


I like this game, I do.... But when I launch it and feel pressed to launch the store, makes me wanna launch another game instead.

Motifs are being affected as well
They release a new one, lock it behind an rng grind fest..but just so happen to release it on the store same day. Pushing people to buy instead of grind, its affecting gameplay

Smitch_59

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

Joshlenoir

Don't worry.
This will be a buff if your character already has better looking armor than what they're sellling.

MajBludd

@joshlenoir, lol, indeed

Nairinhe

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd.

With all our flashy mounts and Fashion Scrolls Online, to stand out in that crowd you need to look like full-size neon-pink rainbows-shooting Molag Bal

Tandor

Just ignore the crown store and play the game, it's easily done and avoids getting uptight about what other players might be doing, none of which impacts on you. Nothing in the crown store or crates is essential to playing the game and if you approach it from that perspective nothing needs to have changed in your gaming since it went B2P.

NorthernNightmare

Nairinhe wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd.

With all our flashy mounts and Fashion Scrolls Online, to stand out in that crowd you need to look like full-size neon-pink rainbows-shooting Molag Bal

There is a nice difference between mounts like the cold flame wolf and the lizard wolf. While they are wolves they are cearly different.

Tandor wrote: »

Just ignore the crown store and play the game, it's easily done and avoids getting uptight about what other players might be doing, none of which impacts on you. Nothing in the crown store or crates is essential to playing the game and if you approach it from that perspective nothing needs to have changed in your gaming since it went B2P.

I really enjoy dressing up my characters with costumes and cool mounts but most of them are paywall locked. Would games like fallout or skyrim be nearly as fun if you couldnt dress up to your hearts content? As I said before a big chunk of an rpg is dress up and most of the cool things to dress up with is behind a paywall. Hell even the new motifs are put behind a SERIOUS RNG grind while you can buy it same day. It is IMPACTING GAMEPLAY.

Seraphayel

Smitch_59 wrote: »

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

Works until they introduce a nice mount or costume again that you REALLY want to have. I mean the recent crates are a pass for me because all of the lizard mounts are ugly as hell but if they bring back amazing mounts I am pretty sure I couldn't resist the urge to buy at least 15 crates.

zaria

Tandor wrote: »

Just ignore the crown store and play the game, it's easily done and avoids getting uptight about what other players might be doing, none of which impacts on you. Nothing in the crown store or crates is essential to playing the game and if you approach it from that perspective nothing needs to have changed in your gaming since it went B2P.

This with the outfit system its no good reason to buy costumes, only use it for soft role play like running around in an skimpy outfit in Eastmark feels stupid.
No reason to buy mounts although racial themed mounts like an senche for a Khajiit is nice, this is pretty cheap. Don't care for the more flashy mounts myself but uses the portable toilet on one alt as I got it in an free crown crate and the indrik on the high elf was welcome, previously she either used an horse or an camel.

Shantu

Smitch_59 wrote: »

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

And if we all did this, there would be no more game to play. Let them sell what they want. You don't need the latest skin or ugly mount to play the game. Some of us couldn't care less.

NorthernNightmare

Shantu wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

And if we all did this, there would be no more game to play. Let them sell what they want. You don't need the latest skin or ugly mount to play the game. Some of us couldn't care less.

If we all did this then maybe ZOS would actually start working on bugs and making the game better.
Bugs in the maingame get unpatched for months but a crownstore big gets patched within a day
How is that excusable?

Smitch_59

Shantu wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

And if we all did this, there would be no more game to play. Let them sell what they want. You don't need the latest skin or ugly mount to play the game. Some of us couldn't care less.

So the $15 per month that we pay for ESO+ isn't enough for ZOS to keep the game going? If so then perhaps ESO deserves to die.

Latios

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall

ALL the best cosmetics locked behind a paywall? What?

So, all the trial skins, battlegrounds styles, achievement dyes, achievement furniture, soul shriven skin, tons of runebox pets and mementos, cool personalities like the telvanni magister and almost all of the motifs are LOCKED behind paywalls? I don’t remember paying real money or crowns to get the vast majority of those.

Also, are the other cosmetics really LOCKED behind paywalls if you don’t want to pay real money(not obtainable in-game)? I’ve opened 135 crates total, if memory serves me, and I paid in crowns only for 30 of them. ZoS, in no moment, stops you from buying from other players to get stuff. A costume you really want? If it’s 1000 crowns, 175K gold will get it for you. A pet? Close to that. A mount like the alliance war horse? 450-500K. If you farm properly, you can make that in 1-2 days.

“Ah, but you need to pay gold for that anyways.”
Then try completing endgame content without spending tons of gold on gear tempers and do the math for the cost. Nothing in this game that is hard to obtain comes free. Even master angler requires a lot of time, which would be much better spent fishing in Summerset or farming in good spots.

The ONLY thing currently locked behind a paywall is Summerset, which you MUST buy with real money. Other than that, it’s all obtainable in-game with variable methods. The “best” cosmetics, like the HoF skin and AS+2 skin, are only obtainable with hard work, while others, like very expensive furniture patterns, can go for upwards of one million. What could you buy with that? Yes, 5000 crowns, or if it’s a cheaper one, a costume, DLC or whatever. It’s all about choice.

Complaining about cosmetics like this is doesn’t make sense. The way people speak it seems we are all forced to be bland, similar NPCs with the same clothing. Just look at your big spender friends and see how much of what they use is REALLY locked behind paywalls other than their mount, pets and sometimes weapon styles, and even so, as I said before, you can get most of them with gold-crown trading.

I’ve said this in other posts and I’ll say it again: want to complain? Complain about the absurdity that is Jewelry crafting being locked behind the paywall that is Summerset, along with relequen, siroria and olorime. THAT is what can get dangerous in this game and should be always brought up so it doesn’t happen again.

idk

It really helps ones argument when they carefully choose examples that actually support what they are attempting to say.

Claiming the best cosmetics are locked behind the pay wall and using the indrik mount as the prime example destroys the premise.

The indrik Mount is available for free in game. Many of us already have the first iteration of the mount and won’t really be able to get the other designs any faster.

Tandor

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd.

With all our flashy mounts and Fashion Scrolls Online, to stand out in that crowd you need to look like full-size neon-pink rainbows-shooting Molag Bal

There is a nice difference between mounts like the cold flame wolf and the lizard wolf. While they are wolves they are cearly different.

Tandor wrote: »

Just ignore the crown store and play the game, it's easily done and avoids getting uptight about what other players might be doing, none of which impacts on you. Nothing in the crown store or crates is essential to playing the game and if you approach it from that perspective nothing needs to have changed in your gaming since it went B2P.

I really enjoy dressing up my characters with costumes and cool mounts but most of them are paywall locked. Would games like fallout or skyrim be nearly as fun if you couldnt dress up to your hearts content? As I said before a big chunk of an rpg is dress up and most of the cool things to dress up with is behind a paywall. Hell even the new motifs are put behind a SERIOUS RNG grind while you can buy it same day. It is IMPACTING GAMEPLAY.

In my case yes, but if you want that sort of stuff then you can carry on subscribing as if there was no B2P and use the subscription crowns for those sorts of things.

Juju_beans

Really..none of those are so special that you would stand out...not when everyone has a chance to get them by doing trivial things.

Callous2208

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

NorthernNightmare

Tandor wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd.

With all our flashy mounts and Fashion Scrolls Online, to stand out in that crowd you need to look like full-size neon-pink rainbows-shooting Molag Bal

There is a nice difference between mounts like the cold flame wolf and the lizard wolf. While they are wolves they are cearly different.

Tandor wrote: »

Just ignore the crown store and play the game, it's easily done and avoids getting uptight about what other players might be doing, none of which impacts on you. Nothing in the crown store or crates is essential to playing the game and if you approach it from that perspective nothing needs to have changed in your gaming since it went B2P.

I really enjoy dressing up my characters with costumes and cool mounts but most of them are paywall locked. Would games like fallout or skyrim be nearly as fun if you couldnt dress up to your hearts content? As I said before a big chunk of an rpg is dress up and most of the cool things to dress up with is behind a paywall. Hell even the new motifs are put behind a SERIOUS RNG grind while you can buy it same day. It is IMPACTING GAMEPLAY.

In my case yes, but if you want that sort of stuff then you can carry on subscribing as if there was no B2P and use the subscription crowns for those sorts of things.

But my point is that they need to have more stuff be attainable ingame and only ingame. Sure I can use my sub (and I do) to get the cosmetics but the point is theyre focusing too hard on the store and not on the game

idk wrote: »

It really helps ones argument when they carefully choose examples that actually support what they are attempting to say.

Claiming the best cosmetics are locked behind the pay wall and using the indrik mount as the prime example destroys the premise.

The indrik Mount is available for free in game. Many of us already have the first iteration of the mount and won’t really be able to get the other designs any faster.

I worked to get the indrik mount as did you. The mount was a cool idea, Im saying it cheapens it by adding it to the store.. not only that but given ZO$ how long until they make the grind for feathers/berries harder until its much better to buy it? Theyve done that with motifs.

NorthernNightmare

Latios wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall

ALL the best cosmetics locked behind a paywall? What?

So, all the trial skins, battlegrounds styles, achievement dyes, achievement furniture, soul shriven skin, tons of runebox pets and mementos, cool personalities like the telvanni magister and almost all of the motifs are LOCKED behind paywalls? I don’t remember paying real money or crowns to get the vast majority of those.

Also, are the other cosmetics really LOCKED behind paywalls if you don’t want to pay real money(not obtainable in-game)? I’ve opened 135 crates total, if memory serves me, and I paid in crowns only for 30 of them. ZoS, in no moment, stops you from buying from other players to get stuff. A costume you really want? If it’s 1000 crowns, 175K gold will get it for you. A pet? Close to that. A mount like the alliance war horse? 450-500K. If you farm properly, you can make that in 1-2 days.

“Ah, but you need to pay gold for that anyways.”
Then try completing endgame content without spending tons of gold on gear tempers and do the math for the cost. Nothing in this game that is hard to obtain comes free. Even master angler requires a lot of time, which would be much better spent fishing in Summerset or farming in good spots.

The ONLY thing currently locked behind a paywall is Summerset, which you MUST buy with real money. Other than that, it’s all obtainable in-game with variable methods. The “best” cosmetics, like the HoF skin and AS+2 skin, are only obtainable with hard work, while others, like very expensive furniture patterns, can go for upwards of one million. What could you buy with that? Yes, 5000 crowns, or if it’s a cheaper one, a costume, DLC or whatever. It’s all about choice.

Complaining about cosmetics like this is doesn’t make sense. The way people speak it seems we are all forced to be bland, similar NPCs with the same clothing. Just look at your big spender friends and see how much of what they use is REALLY locked behind paywalls other than their mount, pets and sometimes weapon styles, and even so, as I said before, you can get most of them with gold-crown trading.

I’ve said this in other posts and I’ll say it again: want to complain? Complain about the absurdity that is Jewelry crafting being locked behind the paywall that is Summerset, along with relequen, siroria and olorime. THAT is what can get dangerous in this game and should be always brought up so it doesn’t happen again.

Besides the indrik the only mounts you can buy with gold/earn are the horses. Over 60% (Rough estimate) of cosmetics are crownstore/case only.

And you may be paying gold to someone but theyre still paying RL money... thats still a payall.

We can complain about cosmetics and the jewelry crafting.. its not one or the other.

MLGProPlayer

I use an outfit. My mount was obtained from free crown crates (that I got from daily logins). You would have earned well over 400 gems from free crates so far to buy any apex mount you want. I will be using an Indrik mount when the white one comes out, which is also free and available in-game.

MLGProPlayer

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Latios wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall

ALL the best cosmetics locked behind a paywall? What?

So, all the trial skins, battlegrounds styles, achievement dyes, achievement furniture, soul shriven skin, tons of runebox pets and mementos, cool personalities like the telvanni magister and almost all of the motifs are LOCKED behind paywalls? I don’t remember paying real money or crowns to get the vast majority of those.

Also, are the other cosmetics really LOCKED behind paywalls if you don’t want to pay real money(not obtainable in-game)? I’ve opened 135 crates total, if memory serves me, and I paid in crowns only for 30 of them. ZoS, in no moment, stops you from buying from other players to get stuff. A costume you really want? If it’s 1000 crowns, 175K gold will get it for you. A pet? Close to that. A mount like the alliance war horse? 450-500K. If you farm properly, you can make that in 1-2 days.

“Ah, but you need to pay gold for that anyways.”
Then try completing endgame content without spending tons of gold on gear tempers and do the math for the cost. Nothing in this game that is hard to obtain comes free. Even master angler requires a lot of time, which would be much better spent fishing in Summerset or farming in good spots.

The ONLY thing currently locked behind a paywall is Summerset, which you MUST buy with real money. Other than that, it’s all obtainable in-game with variable methods. The “best” cosmetics, like the HoF skin and AS+2 skin, are only obtainable with hard work, while others, like very expensive furniture patterns, can go for upwards of one million. What could you buy with that? Yes, 5000 crowns, or if it’s a cheaper one, a costume, DLC or whatever. It’s all about choice.

Complaining about cosmetics like this is doesn’t make sense. The way people speak it seems we are all forced to be bland, similar NPCs with the same clothing. Just look at your big spender friends and see how much of what they use is REALLY locked behind paywalls other than their mount, pets and sometimes weapon styles, and even so, as I said before, you can get most of them with gold-crown trading.

I’ve said this in other posts and I’ll say it again: want to complain? Complain about the absurdity that is Jewelry crafting being locked behind the paywall that is Summerset, along with relequen, siroria and olorime. THAT is what can get dangerous in this game and should be always brought up so it doesn’t happen again.

Besides the indrik the only mounts you can buy with gold/earn are the horses. Over 60% (Rough estimate) of cosmetics are crownstore/case only.

And you may be paying gold to someone but theyre still paying RL money... thats still a payall.

We can complain about cosmetics and the jewelry crafting.. its not one or the other.

I've received multiple apex/legendary mounts from free crown crates as well as over 400 gems to buy whichever apex mount I want. They have been quite generous with giving stuff away the past year.

Tandor

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I use an outfit. My mount was obtained from free crown crates (that I got from daily logins). You would have earned well over 400 gems from free crates so far to buy any apex mount you want. I will be using an Indrik mount when the white one comes out, which is also free and available in-game.

Agreed. I have a load of different mounts and costumes, none of them purchased. The only things by and large that I do purchase are houses, because I'm not a trader and don't have the amount of gold necessary to buy them ingame - so it's a godsend to me that I can get them with my subscription crowns.

Finviuswe

It affected me badly lol

Cpt_Teemo

Next month they'll improve costumes with mod slots that you can slot passives in like BDO

MajBludd

I could see if the OP is saying they should spend more time on in game bug fixes etc, rather than crown store items.

jircris11

Tandor wrote: »

Just ignore the crown store and play the game, it's easily done and avoids getting uptight about what other players might be doing, none of which impacts on you. Nothing in the crown store or crates is essential to playing the game and if you approach it from that perspective nothing needs to have changed in your gaming since it went B2P.

People cant seem to do this.

Fischblut

Whats to stop em from putting the worm wizard personality or all the dungeon skins in the crownstore. It devalues the skin as players wont know if you did all the hard work or just bought it.

"Hard work"
When I saw this advertisement in zone today, I realized I can stop trying to find 3 competent players to actually earn that personality. So far I lost count of how many hours I wasted gathering "exp please" players, and then wasted lot of time on fail runs with them cause they died stupidly or failed mechanics when trying hard mode. If such players can be carried for those achievements, for me this personality is already devalued and if it hits the crown store someday, I won't buy it.
...If they put Beast personality or Spiderkith skin in store though, I think I will stop using those on my characters

zaria

Tandor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I use an outfit. My mount was obtained from free crown crates (that I got from daily logins). You would have earned well over 400 gems from free crates so far to buy any apex mount you want. I will be using an Indrik mount when the white one comes out, which is also free and available in-game.

Agreed. I have a load of different mounts and costumes, none of them purchased. The only things by and large that I do purchase are houses, because I'm not a trader and don't have the amount of gold necessary to buy them ingame - so it's a godsend to me that I can get them with my subscription crowns.

This, starting to get more selective to even is eso+ and buy some crowns from time to time.
Mount and pets has to serve an purpose, I can buy an mammoth pet as having an mammoth trailing you doing TG quest line is amusing, but it was to small so never use it.
Bought an costume for an one time RP beach event. well spent except I made a fuss of getting killed by slaughterfish.
Thought some glitch pvp was going on.

zaria

Fischblut wrote: »

Whats to stop em from putting the worm wizard personality or all the dungeon skins in the crownstore. It devalues the skin as players wont know if you did all the hard work or just bought it.

"Hard work"
When I saw this advertisement in zone today, I realized I can stop trying to find 3 competent players to actually earn that personality. So far I lost count of how many hours I wasted gathering "exp please" players, and then wasted lot of time on fail runs with them cause they died stupidly or failed mechanics when trying hard mode. If such players can be carried for those achievements, for me this personality is already devalued and if it hits the crown store someday, I won't buy it.
...If they put Beast personality or Spiderkith skin in store though, I think I will stop using those on my characters

They will not put achievement stuff in crown store An yellow Do'matra skin is not an achievement item.
And no nobody will pug vet dlc HM outside of the first 4 ones and then only if run was smooth until last boss.
Current trend is that vet is not much harder than ICP but hard mode is very hard.

Coolits

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall then a large chunk of the appeal of an mmo is locked up as well. Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd. Making your character special compared to those around. Sure this isnt how everyone plays but if everyone looked the same a large chunk of players wouldnt be here.

The indrik mount in the store
This game suffers a lot from making all the cool mounts behind a paywall... they finally release a mount that needs to be earned via gameplay and grinding so when you use it you can proudly sh- SIKE


Whats to stop em from putting the worm wizard personality or all the dungeon skins in the crownstore. It devalues the skin as players wont know if you did all the hard work or just bought it. 'Let people have fun and spend money if they want'. There are plenty of money only options... Why shouldnt there be some cool gameplay only ones?

Snowcap Fledgling Gryphon
To celebrate the gift giving period.. gift your fellow players and get this cool pet.
All good
SIKE

Now my main issue here is there was no indication it wouldnt only be for gifting. If it was stated it would be in the store later on thats fine.. but it gave a false sense of pressure to do the gifts now when surpise, you can also buy it later.


I like this game, I do.... But when I launch it and feel pressed to launch the store, makes me wanna launch another game instead.

Motifs are being affected as well
They release a new one, lock it behind an rng grind fest..but just so happen to release it on the store same day. Pushing people to buy instead of grind, its affecting gameplay

Absolutely.

This is the main reason I no longer buy anything from the store and have stopped subscribing, well this and the predatory gambling boxes.

Love the Elder Scrolls universe, hate the liberties Zo$ has taken over monetization. I subscribe to both FFXIV and WoW but cancelled my subscription to ESO due to the store paywalls on top of the subscription unlike the aforementioned games.

I don't mind the odd mount in the store but when 99% of the pets and mounts are only available in the store that's a problem especially when your games main competition have almost everything earnable in game at no extra cost...

JamilaRaj

Yeah, well, but it is also affecting profits for the better. Take consolation in that.