The crown store is affecting the main game for the worse

Ydrisselle

MajBludd wrote: »

I could see if the OP is saying they should spend more time on in game bug fixes etc, rather than crown store items.

I'm quite sure that the crown items are made by people who can't do anything with the in-game bugs (since they are artists and not coders)...

Nyladreas

Callous2208 wrote: »

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

I 100% agree. No, really, I do. Without the sarcasm. I mean who the hell wants to spend hours and put that time into real life useful skills, workout, sports, going out and meeting people, dating women, hiking, skydiving, exploring, traveling, enjoying life and such or even learning new skills like how to play instruments or making shiny armor and costumes in real life that you can wear or even sell, why learn how to work with unusual tools and what not... Shame on you!

What a useless waste of time when I can just grind all this ingame ultra-amazing cosmetic stuff all day long for a week, a month, even the whole year - hell yea! There's nothing more satisfying than collecting a pixel candy dandy mount for days, or costume with no real value in life, or a pet without any true sense of accomplishment, and... Oh my LAWD! Look at this badass title of mudcrab slayer! I should definitely do that all while sitting in front of the screen listening to my eyes scream with pain for help!

Cause I really need to EARN my ingame Ultra Super Mega Hyper SWAG through hours of hardcore gaming!

I mean who wants to be an old boring fart and tell their grandchildren about all the cool stuff they've done and learned in their lives.Who wants to teach them anything and make them go "Wow, I have really good grandparents". Who wants to have some interesting and often funny life stories that can be told for days when you can just tell everyone about how you spent years playing your CP1600 nightblade monster, wrecking scrubs in a shiny outfit! All while riding a badass senche mount over the plains of Cyrodiil and taking over an imaginary world, while also killing dreadful and monstrous creatures and horrors. Let's also not forget about you scoring 50,000 achievement points on top of it all, 'cause you're the best! Hmpfff, weaklings!

I mean... Why waste time in real life? It's like they want me to hang out with my girlfriend outside and eventually spend time in the playgrounds with my kids.

Unbelievable! What a shallow idea, and people even support it! SMH! I can spend half of my life to get really good in the game and look dang exquisite and stuff, and I'm gunna, 'cause that's what real men and women do! Kick ass in Tamriel! Yeeehaw!

LOL, also, why spend your hard earned money in the crowns store at all? Money that you rightfully make and have? Why even have the option to look pretty ingame and experince life at the same time? Pure Insanity!

Sylvermynx

Nyladreas wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

I 100% agree. No, really, I do. Without the sarcasm. I'd rather be able to play without having to earn stuff to enjoy the actual gameplay.

Who the hell wants to spend hours on grinding stuff and getting good at the game and collecting cosmetics after hours in front of the screen. I'd rather put that time into real life useful skills, workout, sports, going out and meeting people, dating women, hiking, skydiving, exploring, enjoying life.

Why waste time in a videogame lol. It's like they want me to hang out ingame with my Gf and eventually my kids. What a shallow idea.

There are as many reasons people play a game like this as there are people playing it. In my case, I really love the RP and the questing, and I am also a whale - I have money to spend, and the dress-up factor means I spend a fair amount in crowns.

The great thing about ESO is that I can do that - but others who aren't involved in that direction don't have to go there.

Nyladreas

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

I 100% agree. No, really, I do. Without the sarcasm. I'd rather be able to play without having to earn stuff to enjoy the actual gameplay.

Who the hell wants to spend hours on grinding stuff and getting good at the game and collecting cosmetics after hours in front of the screen. I'd rather put that time into real life useful skills, workout, sports, going out and meeting people, dating women, hiking, skydiving, exploring, enjoying life.

Why waste time in a videogame lol. It's like they want me to hang out ingame with my Gf and eventually my kids. What a shallow idea.

There are as many reasons people play a game like this as there are people playing it. In my case, I really love the RP and the questing, and I am also a whale - I have money to spend, and the dress-up factor means I spend a fair amount in crowns.

The great thing about ESO is that I can do that - but others who aren't involved in that direction don't have to go there.

All I'm trying to say is that there should be balance in everything. Forcing me to spend days if not weeks to get something pretty by repetitive grinding is really not okay.

I love RP and quests, lore and have a special connection with my character. But I'd rather spend the money I work real hard for in the crown store to get something pretty for my character, so that in turn I can use my time for something meaningful in life instead of grinding for days to look the part.

JamilaRaj

Ydrisselle wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

I could see if the OP is saying they should spend more time on in game bug fixes etc, rather than crown store items.

I'm quite sure that the crown items are made by people who can't do anything with the in-game bugs (since they are artists and not coders)...

Now you brought up these supposedly two teams in one sentence, I am pretty sure they are the very same people, because ability of their "coders" to do anything about glaring in game bugs is markedly similar to ability of their artists to do anything about them.

Sylvermynx

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

I 100% agree. No, really, I do. Without the sarcasm. I'd rather be able to play without having to earn stuff to enjoy the actual gameplay.

Who the hell wants to spend hours on grinding stuff and getting good at the game and collecting cosmetics after hours in front of the screen. I'd rather put that time into real life useful skills, workout, sports, going out and meeting people, dating women, hiking, skydiving, exploring, enjoying life.

Why waste time in a videogame lol. It's like they want me to hang out ingame with my Gf and eventually my kids. What a shallow idea.

There are as many reasons people play a game like this as there are people playing it. In my case, I really love the RP and the questing, and I am also a whale - I have money to spend, and the dress-up factor means I spend a fair amount in crowns.

The great thing about ESO is that I can do that - but others who aren't involved in that direction don't have to go there.

All I'm trying to say is that there should be balance in everything. Forcing me to spend days if not weeks to get something pretty by repetitive grinding is really not okay.

I love RP and quests, lore and have a special connection with my character. But I'd rather spend the money I work for real hard in real life to get something so I can use my time for something meaningful in life.

Laudable. Serious. So, you choose to spend your RL disposable income outside of the crown store.

But how does that invalidate that there are things on the crown store that I am personally happy to spend RL money on? (Which I might add does NOT include the Mercenary motif just so I can do one master writ.... GET STUFFED.... Well, yeah. I could run pledges over and over and over, but y'know what? THAT ISN'T FUN. So I won't be doing it....)

Anyway, writ diatribe aside.... Each of us chooses what we spend our lives on. Sometimes that's RL things. Sometimes that's a game and its stuff. Sometimes.... it's just trying to keep it together when things keep insisting on falling apart....

So.... I think each of us must simply choose what is most important personally. "Keeping up with the Joneses" should be the LAST thing on that list....

[And if I'm not making any sense, I apologize. Things have been.... difficult.... lately.]

Nyladreas

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

I 100% agree. No, really, I do. Without the sarcasm. I'd rather be able to play without having to earn stuff to enjoy the actual gameplay.

Who the hell wants to spend hours on grinding stuff and getting good at the game and collecting cosmetics after hours in front of the screen. I'd rather put that time into real life useful skills, workout, sports, going out and meeting people, dating women, hiking, skydiving, exploring, enjoying life.

Why waste time in a videogame lol. It's like they want me to hang out ingame with my Gf and eventually my kids. What a shallow idea.

There are as many reasons people play a game like this as there are people playing it. In my case, I really love the RP and the questing, and I am also a whale - I have money to spend, and the dress-up factor means I spend a fair amount in crowns.

The great thing about ESO is that I can do that - but others who aren't involved in that direction don't have to go there.

All I'm trying to say is that there should be balance in everything. Forcing me to spend days if not weeks to get something pretty by repetitive grinding is really not okay.

I love RP and quests, lore and have a special connection with my character. But I'd rather spend the money I work for real hard in real life to get something so I can use my time for something meaningful in life.

Laudable. Serious. So, you choose to spend your RL disposable income outside of the crown store.

But how does that invalidate that there are things on the crown store that I am personally happy to spend RL money on? (Which I might add does NOT include the Mercenary motif just so I can do one master writ.... GET STUFFED.... Well, yeah. I could run pledges over and over and over, but y'know what? THAT ISN'T FUN. So I won't be doing it....)

Anyway, writ diatribe aside.... Each of us chooses what we spend our lives on. Sometimes that's RL things. Sometimes that's a game and it's stuff. Sometimes.... it's just trying to keep it together when things keep insisting on falling apart....

So.... I think each of us must simply choose what is most important personally. "Keeping up with the Joneses" should be the LAST thing on that list....

[And if I'm not making any sense, I apologize. Things have been.... difficult.... lately.]

My bad @Sylvermynx that was a badly typed out post. I meant spending real life cash on the crown store so I can skip on having to grind or raid for days to get something pretty for my character and in turn devote my time into more meaningful things .

No worries, as you can see things have been... Difficult... For me as well Lately

Sylvermynx

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

I 100% agree. No, really, I do. Without the sarcasm. I'd rather be able to play without having to earn stuff to enjoy the actual gameplay.

Who the hell wants to spend hours on grinding stuff and getting good at the game and collecting cosmetics after hours in front of the screen. I'd rather put that time into real life useful skills, workout, sports, going out and meeting people, dating women, hiking, skydiving, exploring, enjoying life.

Why waste time in a videogame lol. It's like they want me to hang out ingame with my Gf and eventually my kids. What a shallow idea.

There are as many reasons people play a game like this as there are people playing it. In my case, I really love the RP and the questing, and I am also a whale - I have money to spend, and the dress-up factor means I spend a fair amount in crowns.

The great thing about ESO is that I can do that - but others who aren't involved in that direction don't have to go there.

All I'm trying to say is that there should be balance in everything. Forcing me to spend days if not weeks to get something pretty by repetitive grinding is really not okay.

I love RP and quests, lore and have a special connection with my character. But I'd rather spend the money I work for real hard in real life to get something so I can use my time for something meaningful in life.

Laudable. Serious. So, you choose to spend your RL disposable income outside of the crown store.

But how does that invalidate that there are things on the crown store that I am personally happy to spend RL money on? (Which I might add does NOT include the Mercenary motif just so I can do one master writ.... GET STUFFED.... Well, yeah. I could run pledges over and over and over, but y'know what? THAT ISN'T FUN. So I won't be doing it....)

Anyway, writ diatribe aside.... Each of us chooses what we spend our lives on. Sometimes that's RL things. Sometimes that's a game and it's stuff. Sometimes.... it's just trying to keep it together when things keep insisting on falling apart....

So.... I think each of us must simply choose what is most important personally. "Keeping up with the Joneses" should be the LAST thing on that list....

[And if I'm not making any sense, I apologize. Things have been.... difficult.... lately.]

My bad @Sylvermynx that was a badly typed out post. I meant spending real life cash on the crown store so I can skip on having to grind or raid for days to get something pretty for my character and in turn devote my time into more meaningful things .

No worries, as you can see things have been... Difficult... For me as well Lately

Hoo boy.... yeah, somehow I got backwards there, and missed your point totally. Man.... I need a new year in the WORST way.

And so far, this isn't the new year I'm looking for. I hope your new year will be better than mine's looking like right now. Anyway, I think we're probably on the same page here more or less!

Nyladreas

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

No one plays an online ROLE-PLAYING game to dress up an avatar, get cool mounts, and take that creation out into a world to enjoy battling villains and completing great stories while playing a role. I don't get this older generation and wanting to "earn" something by completing achievements and playing the game they bought. Next you'll be asking for better content updates and saying the daily event grinds we get are not really fun. It's like you people are subbing and buying things occasionally and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile us real fans haven't even completed half the content in five years playing and stand in town looking at ourselves in the cosmetics we bought atop the mounts we paid for. Gaming is about spending as much money as you can so that developers will continue to provide new and more expensive opportunities to spend money. I swear, I am so tired of the so called "gaming" crowd always ruining fresh innovations like p2w and sole focus being put on a cash shop. If I read one more thread where someone politely reports a bug or has questions about a performance issue I will scream. The crown store is working just fine! I have never lagged out of it or had it not take my money. ESO is about the journey. The journey from that first store add to eagerly awaiting the next crate season while standing in town idle. If you don't care for that...you don't have to be here.

I 100% agree. No, really, I do. Without the sarcasm. I'd rather be able to play without having to earn stuff to enjoy the actual gameplay.

Who the hell wants to spend hours on grinding stuff and getting good at the game and collecting cosmetics after hours in front of the screen. I'd rather put that time into real life useful skills, workout, sports, going out and meeting people, dating women, hiking, skydiving, exploring, enjoying life.

Why waste time in a videogame lol. It's like they want me to hang out ingame with my Gf and eventually my kids. What a shallow idea.

There are as many reasons people play a game like this as there are people playing it. In my case, I really love the RP and the questing, and I am also a whale - I have money to spend, and the dress-up factor means I spend a fair amount in crowns.

The great thing about ESO is that I can do that - but others who aren't involved in that direction don't have to go there.

All I'm trying to say is that there should be balance in everything. Forcing me to spend days if not weeks to get something pretty by repetitive grinding is really not okay.

I love RP and quests, lore and have a special connection with my character. But I'd rather spend the money I work for real hard in real life to get something so I can use my time for something meaningful in life.

Laudable. Serious. So, you choose to spend your RL disposable income outside of the crown store.

But how does that invalidate that there are things on the crown store that I am personally happy to spend RL money on? (Which I might add does NOT include the Mercenary motif just so I can do one master writ.... GET STUFFED.... Well, yeah. I could run pledges over and over and over, but y'know what? THAT ISN'T FUN. So I won't be doing it....)

Anyway, writ diatribe aside.... Each of us chooses what we spend our lives on. Sometimes that's RL things. Sometimes that's a game and it's stuff. Sometimes.... it's just trying to keep it together when things keep insisting on falling apart....

So.... I think each of us must simply choose what is most important personally. "Keeping up with the Joneses" should be the LAST thing on that list....

[And if I'm not making any sense, I apologize. Things have been.... difficult.... lately.]

My bad @Sylvermynx that was a badly typed out post. I meant spending real life cash on the crown store so I can skip on having to grind or raid for days to get something pretty for my character and in turn devote my time into more meaningful things .

No worries, as you can see things have been... Difficult... For me as well Lately

Hoo boy.... yeah, somehow I got backwards there, and missed your point totally. Man.... I need a new year in the WORST way.

And so far, this isn't the new year I'm looking for. I hope your new year will be better than mine's looking like right now. Anyway, I think we're probably on the same page here more or less!

No worries, it happens. Not to mention that this place, the forum, seems to have an uncanny effect on the sanity of its denizens. Half the time I don't even know if it's still me who's typing or some kind of daedra that's possesed me.

I hope things get better with you soon! I'm sure it's just the usual hectic days at the start of the year that we're all having. Lots of love! @Sylvermynx

Sylvermynx

Right back at you @Nyladreas - whatever you need to happen, I hope you see it soon. And - well... things are better here now: husband had to have a procedure on a vertebra.... not "major surgery".... but the fallout is that I have to do things that.... aren't optimal for me.at 71. So I have to take things slow, and not get - angry and frustrated.

Seriously, y'know? 20 years ago none of this would have been an issue. *sigh*

Faulgor

No kidding. Lots of people said so at the transition to B2P, but more were too enthralled by not having to pay a subscription to listen. This was always the trajectory, and it's going to get worse before the end.

Rain_Greyraven

Interesting.

I have gear I have worked for that is better looking than anything the Crown store offers.

Maybe it's a combination of laziness and Jealousy of those with more means?

NorthernNightmare

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Interesting.

I have gear I have worked for that is better looking than anything the Crown store offers.

Maybe it's a combination of laziness and Jealousy of those with more means?

I have worked for plenty of stuff, you shouldnt accuse people of laziness for being upset that the cooler stuff such as mounts are NOT able to be gotten by grinding

Oberstein

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall then a large chunk of the appeal of an mmo is locked up as well. Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd. Making your character special compared to those around. Sure this isnt how everyone plays but if everyone looked the same a large chunk of players wouldnt be here.

The indrik mount in the store
This game suffers a lot from making all the cool mounts behind a paywall... they finally release a mount that needs to be earned via gameplay and grinding so when you use it you can proudly sh- SIKE


Whats to stop em from putting the worm wizard personality or all the dungeon skins in the crownstore. It devalues the skin as players wont know if you did all the hard work or just bought it. 'Let people have fun and spend money if they want'. There are plenty of money only options... Why shouldnt there be some cool gameplay only ones?

Snowcap Fledgling Gryphon
To celebrate the gift giving period.. gift your fellow players and get this cool pet.
All good
SIKE

Now my main issue here is there was no indication it wouldnt only be for gifting. If it was stated it would be in the store later on thats fine.. but it gave a false sense of pressure to do the gifts now when surpise, you can also buy it later.


I like this game, I do.... But when I launch it and feel pressed to launch the store, makes me wanna launch another game instead.

Motifs are being affected as well
They release a new one, lock it behind an rng grind fest..but just so happen to release it on the store same day. Pushing people to buy instead of grind, its affecting gameplay

Those are just cosmetic things nothing is affecting main game.

MilwaukeeScott

I could not disagree more

Korah_Eaglecry

Smitch_59 wrote: »

Shantu wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

And if we all did this, there would be no more game to play. Let them sell what they want. You don't need the latest skin or ugly mount to play the game. Some of us couldn't care less.

So the $15 per month that we pay for ESO+ isn't enough for ZOS to keep the game going? If so then perhaps ESO deserves to die.

Im not even sure where to start with tearing this argument apart. Or if I should even bother.

1.) The subscription model is not a lucrative method of maintaining, let alone profiting off of an MMO anymore. Hasnt been that way since the early 2000s. Inflation is a thing, and not much if anything is the price it was 20 years ago.
2.) Subscriptions are optional now. Meaning not everyone is subbing. We dont have the numbers on how many are subbed, but its unlikely its enough to keep this game afloat in its current state.
3.) Even when subs were mandatory they werent profitable. People like to blame Consoles for the B2P Model. But it was coming one way or another. Thankfully we got the B2P model and not a F2P model because the penny pinching would be 10xs worse than it is now.
4.) Those DLC and Chapters that we all enjoy would not be rolling out as often or as densely packed with content as we get now. We would be lucky to get a Clockwork City or Dark Brotherhood DLC. And they would drop maybe once a year, and Im being very generous here with timeframes.
5.) If ZOS was forced to rely solely on subs as a means of profit. This game would be dead, it would likely be on life support and the truth is content, even balance passes would likely cease. No one is in the business of flushing millions upon millions of dollars down the drain in hopes that a handful of players will eternally pay 15 bucks a month to them.

Ulfgarde

Imagine complaining about the most harmless cosmetic features of the crown store but while ignoring advantageous features such as 2x bank space + an unlimited account wide storage for materials oof

shaielzafine

Oberstein wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall then a large chunk of the appeal of an mmo is locked up as well. Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd. Making your character special compared to those around. Sure this isnt how everyone plays but if everyone looked the same a large chunk of players wouldnt be here.

The indrik mount in the store
This game suffers a lot from making all the cool mounts behind a paywall... they finally release a mount that needs to be earned via gameplay and grinding so when you use it you can proudly sh- SIKE


Whats to stop em from putting the worm wizard personality or all the dungeon skins in the crownstore. It devalues the skin as players wont know if you did all the hard work or just bought it. 'Let people have fun and spend money if they want'. There are plenty of money only options... Why shouldnt there be some cool gameplay only ones?

Snowcap Fledgling Gryphon
To celebrate the gift giving period.. gift your fellow players and get this cool pet.
All good
SIKE

Now my main issue here is there was no indication it wouldnt only be for gifting. If it was stated it would be in the store later on thats fine.. but it gave a false sense of pressure to do the gifts now when surpise, you can also buy it later.


I like this game, I do.... But when I launch it and feel pressed to launch the store, makes me wanna launch another game instead.

Motifs are being affected as well
They release a new one, lock it behind an rng grind fest..but just so happen to release it on the store same day. Pushing people to buy instead of grind, its affecting gameplay

Those are just cosmetic things nothing is affecting main game.

Yea, they're just cosmetic. His point, I think, is that they are increasingly more aggressive with the marketing for the cosmetics. I can see how the gryphon pet was misleading as well, I purchased gifts with crowns to get the pet then I find out later you can buy it anyway. And his other point was about it affecting his gameplay, like your gameplay will depend on RNG. It's all luck based, and you will have to grind with no guarantee to get something. This is to encourage purchasing items in the store (paywall). Example, I have to run vCR to get fragments of the motif in game, all for a CHANCE at one page, nothing guaranteed. This is versus the easy route of buying it in the store (which is limited time, as if it will expire or they will run out of digital goods ) Another example is that pink / purple skin that looks VERY similar to the vCR & spiderkith skins. It's this like raisiny wrinkled texture that you were able to buy in the crown store.

zyk

ESO has become a sims-like fashion game with an RPG on the side.

Even if you don't use the cash shop, the end game is basically collecting motifs and furniture recipes.

I used to enjoy the trading game a lot until they allowed players to buy gold from each other with Crowns. So basically, a good trader is now a second class citizen compared to someone willing to spend cash. If I want to earn gold most efficiently, I would need to work more in rl to buy Crowns to trade for gold. That's incredibly broken.

Itzmichi

The Game=The Crownstore once it will not be lucrative anymore you can bet it will dropped asap.

FlyingSwan

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

Shantu wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

And if we all did this, there would be no more game to play. Let them sell what they want. You don't need the latest skin or ugly mount to play the game. Some of us couldn't care less.

So the $15 per month that we pay for ESO+ isn't enough for ZOS to keep the game going? If so then perhaps ESO deserves to die.

Im not even sure where to start with tearing this argument apart. Or if I should even bother.

1.) The subscription model is not a lucrative method of maintaining, let alone profiting off of an MMO anymore. Hasnt been that way since the early 2000s. Inflation is a thing, and not much if anything is the price it was 20 years ago.
2.) Subscriptions are optional now. Meaning not everyone is subbing. We dont have the numbers on how many are subbed, but its unlikely its enough to keep this game afloat in its current state.
3.) Even when subs were mandatory they werent profitable. People like to blame Consoles for the B2P Model. But it was coming one way or another. Thankfully we got the B2P model and not a F2P model because the penny pinching would be 10xs worse than it is now.
4.) Those DLC and Chapters that we all enjoy would not be rolling out as often or as densely packed with content as we get now. We would be lucky to get a Clockwork City or Dark Brotherhood DLC. And they would drop maybe once a year, and Im being very generous here with timeframes.
5.) If ZOS was forced to rely solely on subs as a means of profit. This game would be dead, it would likely be on life support and the truth is content, even balance passes would likely cease. No one is in the business of flushing millions upon millions of dollars down the drain in hopes that a handful of players will eternally pay 15 bucks a month to them.

FFXIV does just fine with a solid subscription model and have grown their subs to 14m. But it is a very well managed and cared for game, ESO has always lacked the level of quality that we expect from a sub, so most people do not sub. All you get is a crafting bag and some bank slots, whoopie do, the core game is still broken and somewhat naff.

For the sub model to work, ZOS would have to do what SE did and fix the core game, but ZOS have chosen a path of least resistance; sell tat in the Crown Store.

Coolits

FlyingSwan wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

Shantu wrote: »

Smitch_59 wrote: »

My New Years Resolution is to buy no more Crowns.

And if we all did this, there would be no more game to play. Let them sell what they want. You don't need the latest skin or ugly mount to play the game. Some of us couldn't care less.

So the $15 per month that we pay for ESO+ isn't enough for ZOS to keep the game going? If so then perhaps ESO deserves to die.

Im not even sure where to start with tearing this argument apart. Or if I should even bother.

1.) The subscription model is not a lucrative method of maintaining, let alone profiting off of an MMO anymore. Hasnt been that way since the early 2000s. Inflation is a thing, and not much if anything is the price it was 20 years ago.
2.) Subscriptions are optional now. Meaning not everyone is subbing. We dont have the numbers on how many are subbed, but its unlikely its enough to keep this game afloat in its current state.
3.) Even when subs were mandatory they werent profitable. People like to blame Consoles for the B2P Model. But it was coming one way or another. Thankfully we got the B2P model and not a F2P model because the penny pinching would be 10xs worse than it is now.
4.) Those DLC and Chapters that we all enjoy would not be rolling out as often or as densely packed with content as we get now. We would be lucky to get a Clockwork City or Dark Brotherhood DLC. And they would drop maybe once a year, and Im being very generous here with timeframes.
5.) If ZOS was forced to rely solely on subs as a means of profit. This game would be dead, it would likely be on life support and the truth is content, even balance passes would likely cease. No one is in the business of flushing millions upon millions of dollars down the drain in hopes that a handful of players will eternally pay 15 bucks a month to them.

FFXIV does just fine with a solid subscription model and have grown their subs to 14m. But it is a very well managed and cared for game, ESO has always lacked the level of quality that we expect from a sub, so most people do not sub. All you get is a crafting bag and some bank slots, whoopie do, the core game is still broken and somewhat naff.

For the sub model to work, ZOS would have to do what SE did and fix the core game, but ZOS have chosen a path of least resistance; sell tat in the Crown Store.

There's nothing wrong with the sub model and it works well when a game can stand on its own merit, both FFXIV and WoW have shown this to be the case.

Deep_01

You don't need cosmetics from crown store to play the game. There are in-game mounts bought via gold. They are more than enough to play the game. There are in game only non combat pets and costumes.

NorthernNightmare

shaielzafine wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall then a large chunk of the appeal of an mmo is locked up as well. Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd. Making your character special compared to those around. Sure this isnt how everyone plays but if everyone looked the same a large chunk of players wouldnt be here.

The indrik mount in the store
This game suffers a lot from making all the cool mounts behind a paywall... they finally release a mount that needs to be earned via gameplay and grinding so when you use it you can proudly sh- SIKE


Whats to stop em from putting the worm wizard personality or all the dungeon skins in the crownstore. It devalues the skin as players wont know if you did all the hard work or just bought it. 'Let people have fun and spend money if they want'. There are plenty of money only options... Why shouldnt there be some cool gameplay only ones?

Snowcap Fledgling Gryphon
To celebrate the gift giving period.. gift your fellow players and get this cool pet.
All good
SIKE

Now my main issue here is there was no indication it wouldnt only be for gifting. If it was stated it would be in the store later on thats fine.. but it gave a false sense of pressure to do the gifts now when surpise, you can also buy it later.


I like this game, I do.... But when I launch it and feel pressed to launch the store, makes me wanna launch another game instead.

Motifs are being affected as well
They release a new one, lock it behind an rng grind fest..but just so happen to release it on the store same day. Pushing people to buy instead of grind, its affecting gameplay

Those are just cosmetic things nothing is affecting main game.

Yea, they're just cosmetic. His point, I think, is that they are increasingly more aggressive with the marketing for the cosmetics. I can see how the gryphon pet was misleading as well, I purchased gifts with crowns to get the pet then I find out later you can buy it anyway. And his other point was about it affecting his gameplay, like your gameplay will depend on RNG. It's all luck based, and you will have to grind with no guarantee to get something. This is to encourage purchasing items in the store (paywall). Example, I have to run vCR to get fragments of the motif in game, all for a CHANCE at one page, nothing guaranteed. This is versus the easy route of buying it in the store (which is limited time, as if it will expire or they will run out of digital goods ) Another example is that pink / purple skin that looks VERY similar to the vCR & spiderkith skins. It's this like raisiny wrinkled texture that you were able to buy in the crown store.

^ yeah

Tigerseye

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Now my main issue here is there was no indication it wouldnt only be for gifting.

No, but there was also no indication it would.

If you liked the gryphon enough to pay 1000 crowns for it, then you effectively bought the gifts for those two other players for free.

..and probably, they did the same for you?

If you don't really like the gryphon, for what it is, why did you do it?

Exclusivity is: a) a silly reason to buy something and b) doesn't even work, here.

As millions of people got the chance to buy two people gifts to get it.

It was easy.

It is, therefore, not exclusive, anyway.

It's not like you had to do some very hard and/or grindy content to get it.

Mettaricana

Never seen a greedier company honestly... ive played alot of games like this with cash shops 20 bucks in the other games got me a mount 2 costumes a pet or 2, eso 20 bucks wont even get me the costume or the Mount reskin

Tigerseye

Mettaricana wrote: »

Never seen a greedier company honestly... ive played alot of games like this with cash shops 20 bucks in the other games got me a mount 2 costumes a pet or 2, eso 20 bucks wont even get me the costume or the Mount reskin

Most things are definitely overpriced.

Overall, you tend to spend more in this game and it takes far longer to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Nairinhe wrote: »

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd.

With all our flashy mounts and Fashion Scrolls Online, to stand out in that crowd you need to look like full-size neon-pink rainbows-shooting Molag Bal

If ZoS sold a Molag Bal target dummy, I’d be all over that in a heartbeat

Latios

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Interesting.

I have gear I have worked for that is better looking than anything the Crown store offers.

Maybe it's a combination of laziness and Jealousy of those with more means?

I have worked for plenty of stuff, you shouldnt accuse people of laziness for being upset that the cooler stuff such as mounts are NOT able to be gotten by grinding

They are. Just use the crown-gold trading mechanic. Even if you said before that 'someone has to pay for the crowns', you don't. There's always someone willing to sell crowns, meaning they already paid for it and it's already in-game currency.

Grind the gold and be happy. The whales pay for you and you get what you want, while the game doesn't get it's combat heavily monetized. Everyone wins.

Also, it's about time they allowed houses to be traded in this system. I forgot to mention that they are also true paywall items in my earlier post.

iiYuki

NorthernNightmare wrote: »

'Its just cosmetics'
When all the best cosmetics are locked behind a paywall then a large chunk of the appeal of an mmo is locked up as well. Part of the fun is standing out in a crowd. Making your character special compared to those around. Sure this isnt how everyone plays but if everyone looked the same a large chunk of players wouldn't be here.

This here is one one the bothers me the most, I came to ESO from playing WoW a game with hundreds of mounts you EARN in-game and thousands of unique transmog appearances in each slot that can be EARNED by PLAYING.
The cash store devalues everything that makes an MMO good to me, showing off your skill and dedication, looking cool, feeling proud of your accomplishments. The countless hours I've spent sat on a low drop rate raid mount in full BiS gear outside the auction house in Stormwind, Stormshield, Ironforge etc having people whisper me saying "awesome mount" or "cool transmog" or chatting in general chat, in ESO you see someone go past and unless they're using one of the 3 default horse mounts its a store bought one, whatever transmog they use its probably been on the store for cash and there is no distinction between, earned or bought.
TBH current wow is *** and has been since WoD so I'm stuck playing this till classic comes out, but would it kill them to add mounts and exclusive motifs to bosses in veteran dungeons and trials normal and a different one for vet trials, mounts for PvP either bought with AP or something else. Exclusive motifs or outfits for completing a veteran dungeon/ trial thats to do with that dungeons theme. Can we actually EARN some customisation in-game.