Kick fake dps in undaunted event?

LeagueTroll

Sevn wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

And here I was told PvP is toxic

Not as toxic as fake pve elitists who complain about low dps in normals. Damn, if you're so great, can't you carry a team in normals?

‘No one play real tank’ says trash tier dps.
‘Carry on your 5k dps at best actual pve tank’ says other trash dps. Srsly?

SodanTok

Queue as DD and if its not vet DLC dungeon and you feel you need to kick people to complete it in reasonable time... git gud?

iiYuki

Normal dungeons I dont care unless we're failing even easy bosses, veteran I vote kick when it says I'm doing 70%+ of the group DPS also if people are too low a level to play that dungeon and are clearly no listening to people telling them what to do.

bongtokin420insd16

So back in April I took my no knowledge and my anxiety into dungeons for the first time. Kittyblade, running the unfathomable dark set and some other nonsense. Thought it was ok and i was fine. But i was scared. Spent the first month running afraid to pug or start a group of my own. didnt even know what a monster set was.

Eventually i got comfortable, got real gear, stopped dying. Amazing thing was when that happened all the normal dungeons became easier, faster, efficient , etc. It couldnt have been just me in the groups but pulling my weight balanced the group and made it easier.

Last night, i took my very first character (bosmer sorc, i didnt know squat) into a dungeon for the first time as a magicka character with all new build, skills, everything. The gear isn't optimal, not all the skills or passives are unlocked, never played magicka character, etc. I mean all bad signs of a rough run. And i got VOM.

Well we finished it, and i didn't die. The tank and i survived the whole thing, the other DD and healer were dead all the time. When i ran this on my stam ages ago, it was really hard. I didn't even remember the mechanics or the path. And it was cake. I had that old irritation and anxiety feeling for nothing.

The point is, experience is all you need. Be confident don't stress and do your best. You will improve by osmosis alone lol. Normals are nothing. no one chatted with me, told mechanics, nothing. I just kept playing until i felt better about it. Have confidence and depend on yourself, and you will succeed.

firedrgn

LeagueTroll wrote: »

I believe doing pledge gets me the tickets. What would be a good threshold for kicking during event? Am I supposed to lower my expectations for que dps?

Name checks out.

ATomiX96

If the "fake tank" is soloing the normal dungeon pretty much, why bother kicking? enjoy the carry.
Most of the people are doing the event for the chests only and not for the sake of reviving dungeon content
There are gonna be alot of "fake tanks" this event so prepare for that. just saying.

Girl_Number8

Solo it. You are welcome.

ATomiX96

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Solo it. You are welcome.

if there was an option for solo random normal dungeon finder, I wouldnt even consider the other options..

"PlAyEr HaS nOt AcCePtEd ThE iNviTaTiOn, YoU hAvE bEeN rEtUrNeD tO tHe QuEuE" just for the fact that, this will be a serious issue on the first evening even if you are queueing 4 man where you can verify that everyone pressed accept.

MasterSpatula

OP sounds like someone who simply should not PUG, ever.

mikemacon

Nice try, fake tank.

LeagueTroll

mikemacon wrote: »

Nice try, fake tank.

Real tank, actual trial geared, with vhof title and stuff, maybe you should read.
This is a thread about fake dps drag group down, not fake tanks.

Ragged_Claw

Who cares? Last year everyone just wanted shiny presents so we were running anything we had available, level 12 with no pants? Why not, get in here! Never tanked before? Doesn't matter, there's four of us, get in here. These dungeons are stupidly easy with four people, as long as you've got one fairly high CP to babysit there should be no reason not to whiz through them. The whole idea of the event is to get people into dungeons that may not have tried them before, it's supposed to be FUN not for players to be epeening and putting people off. I'll happily run people through with my experienced toons then switch to my noob ones and get carried myself.

For people saying that this has put them off using the group finder, please give it a try, most of us just want our shinies and don't care if you put out 1 dps or 1 million, a good player can take up the slack and help you out.

Loralai_907

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

... I have the anxiety so I am not looking to group with people that are unkind - I don't have it in me to tolerate it.

This is what makes me wary about PUGs. And if someone starts berating me instead of being patient and helpful, I know my performance will just get worse until I quit the group and probably PUGs for good.
I know there’s probably just a slim chance of coming across jerks and most people are delightful, but still. I’m looking to enjoy the game, not for it to make me an anxious mess.

I get that 5000%. I know I can eventually be fine, but until I have done enough dungeons to feel like I'm not holding everyone back, I can't have crappy people running them with me. Ya know, I PvP a lot, but the people out there even when they are irritated about a crap defense or whatever, they are generally really informative and helpful and don't make me feel like I've ruined everything. And that is probably EXACTLY how the dungeon crowd would be, but I don't know that on a level that overrides my anxiety yet. So, I thought trying to set up some things for not just me might be a good idea. And if it doesn't work out, thats fine, at least I tried.

Have you EVER done dungeons before? If not, then I suggest you start by soloing a few, or taking a single friend/acquaintance and duoing them. A typical "trash mob" fight is as tough as 1-2 public dungeon trash mobs taken together. Bosses, at least in the easier dungeons, are comparable to base-game world bosses, or indeed in most cases easier than the world bosses that were upgraded in difficulty for One Tamriel. Just take a build with good self-healing and good sustain, and try to do a lot of your damage in AoE. E.g.:

• On a magplar you're fine with Puncturing Sweeps, Reflective Light, Blazing Spear, Elemental Blockage, Elemental Drain, Channeled Focus, Honor the Dead, and the Destruction staff ultimate. If you want to take a shield and Mutagen too, that's fine.
• On a mag sorcerer you're fine with dual pets, Daedric Prey, Elemental Blockade, Liquid Lightning, Power Surge, a shield and the destro ultimate.

The first six dungeons -- i.e. the ones in the first two zones of each alliance -- are all straightforward, with few mechanics that could trip you up. The last boss is Banished Cells 1 has feast balls like a harvester's, but only coming in from one direction. The final boss of Spindleclutch 1 has an unbreakable cc that you probably won't avoid. The quasi-final boss of Darkshade 1 and an intermediate boss of Elden Hollow 1 have adds that heal them, which you can probably ignore. That's about as hard as the mechanics get. Lots of bosses and mobs cc you, so consider bringing Immovable pots.

Even if you aren't good enough to beat the hardest fights solo, you certainly can last long enough to get a good sense of what the dungeons are like.

Yes. I have done a few, but not many. I can solo FG1, was working on going through the easier ones solo when I jacked my back up, so that is on hold for right now. I have done maybe 5 other dungeons in groups, some more than once. It isn't so much about the content, its the people. Yeah, I can go solo and get my tickets. But if I want any extra items I need to do a random on as many characters as possible. So my entire point is getting people together that maybe also lack a lot of dungeon experience and want to avoid the people that are crappy. Just get people together that might also be nervous and go do dungeons without any worry about anyone being a super jerk.

FrancisCrawford

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Is there a way to tell if a character would be a tank or damage dealer? I’m not sure because honestly I only do overworld content and my main is a (starving) vampire

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bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

So back in April I took my no knowledge and my anxiety into dungeons for the first time. Kittyblade, running the unfathomable dark set and some other nonsense. Thought it was ok and i was fine. But i was scared. Spent the first month running afraid to pug or start a group of my own. didnt even know what a monster set was.

Eventually i got comfortable, got real gear, stopped dying. Amazing thing was when that happened all the normal dungeons became easier, faster, efficient , etc. It couldnt have been just me in the groups but pulling my weight balanced the group and made it easier.

Last night, i took my very first character (bosmer sorc, i didnt know squat) into a dungeon for the first time as a magicka character with all new build, skills, everything. The gear isn't optimal, not all the skills or passives are unlocked, never played magicka character, etc. I mean all bad signs of a rough run. And i got VOM.

Well we finished it, and i didn't die. The tank and i survived the whole thing, the other DD and healer were dead all the time. When i ran this on my stam ages ago, it was really hard. I didn't even remember the mechanics or the path. And it was cake. I had that old irritation and anxiety feeling for nothing.

The point is, experience is all you need. Be confident don't stress and do your best. You will improve by osmosis alone lol. Normals are nothing. no one chatted with me, told mechanics, nothing. I just kept playing until i felt better about it. Have confidence and depend on yourself, and you will succeed.

Good for you!!!

VoM, despite it's location, is actually one of the easier dungeons. Still, there are lots of ways to die there, so if you didn't, then you obviously know how to handle yourself!

FrancisCrawford

mommadani907 wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

... I have the anxiety so I am not looking to group with people that are unkind - I don't have it in me to tolerate it.

This is what makes me wary about PUGs. And if someone starts berating me instead of being patient and helpful, I know my performance will just get worse until I quit the group and probably PUGs for good.
I know there’s probably just a slim chance of coming across jerks and most people are delightful, but still. I’m looking to enjoy the game, not for it to make me an anxious mess.

I get that 5000%. I know I can eventually be fine, but until I have done enough dungeons to feel like I'm not holding everyone back, I can't have crappy people running them with me. Ya know, I PvP a lot, but the people out there even when they are irritated about a crap defense or whatever, they are generally really informative and helpful and don't make me feel like I've ruined everything. And that is probably EXACTLY how the dungeon crowd would be, but I don't know that on a level that overrides my anxiety yet. So, I thought trying to set up some things for not just me might be a good idea. And if it doesn't work out, thats fine, at least I tried.

Have you EVER done dungeons before? If not, then I suggest you start by soloing a few, or taking a single friend/acquaintance and duoing them. A typical "trash mob" fight is as tough as 1-2 public dungeon trash mobs taken together. Bosses, at least in the easier dungeons, are comparable to base-game world bosses, or indeed in most cases easier than the world bosses that were upgraded in difficulty for One Tamriel. Just take a build with good self-healing and good sustain, and try to do a lot of your damage in AoE. E.g.:

• On a magplar you're fine with Puncturing Sweeps, Reflective Light, Blazing Spear, Elemental Blockage, Elemental Drain, Channeled Focus, Honor the Dead, and the Destruction staff ultimate. If you want to take a shield and Mutagen too, that's fine.
• On a mag sorcerer you're fine with dual pets, Daedric Prey, Elemental Blockade, Liquid Lightning, Power Surge, a shield and the destro ultimate.

The first six dungeons -- i.e. the ones in the first two zones of each alliance -- are all straightforward, with few mechanics that could trip you up. The last boss is Banished Cells 1 has feast balls like a harvester's, but only coming in from one direction. The final boss of Spindleclutch 1 has an unbreakable cc that you probably won't avoid. The quasi-final boss of Darkshade 1 and an intermediate boss of Elden Hollow 1 have adds that heal them, which you can probably ignore. That's about as hard as the mechanics get. Lots of bosses and mobs cc you, so consider bringing Immovable pots.

Even if you aren't good enough to beat the hardest fights solo, you certainly can last long enough to get a good sense of what the dungeons are like.

Yes. I have done a few, but not many. I can solo FG1, was working on going through the easier ones solo when I jacked my back up, so that is on hold for right now. I have done maybe 5 other dungeons in groups, some more than once. It isn't so much about the content, its the people. Yeah, I can go solo and get my tickets. But if I want any extra items I need to do a random on as many characters as possible. So my entire point is getting people together that maybe also lack a lot of dungeon experience and want to avoid the people that are crappy. Just get people together that might also be nervous and go do dungeons without any worry about anyone being a super jerk.

Well, my experience in PC/NA Groupfinder PUGs is that there are almost no super jerks. I only recall ONE player who said mean things to me, and those were merely on the level of "you're doing this wrong" or "you're unusually bad for a max CP player". And I've made embarrassing mistakes in groups many times.

bongtokin420insd16

True. Its not the hardest, but it wasnt's FG or EH so i felt good. Not great, but good lol.

Ramber

Hoolielulu wrote: »

This is why I don't do dungeons. I fear getting kicked and/or yelled at because I'm trying to learn and become a better player. Meh. These events just aren't made for me (which is fine)

Shame there aren't group events for accidentally falling off cliffs. I'm really good at that.

dam dude join a guild, if you want an invite to mine send me a message. we live for helping others We will not only help you with your role but help you learn dungeon mechanics!

MasterSpatula

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

Who cares? Last year everyone just wanted shiny presents so we were running anything we had available, level 12 with no pants? Why not, get in here! Never tanked before? Doesn't matter, there's four of us, get in here. These dungeons are stupidly easy with four people, as long as you've got one fairly high CP to babysit there should be no reason not to whiz through them. The whole idea of the event is to get people into dungeons that may not have tried them before, it's supposed to be FUN not for players to be epeening and putting people off. I'll happily run people through with my experienced toons then switch to my noob ones and get carried myself.

For people saying that this has put them off using the group finder, please give it a try, most of us just want our shinies and don't care if you put out 1 dps or 1 million, a good player can take up the slack and help you out.

This. A million times, this.

SydneyGrey

There's no such thing as "fake" DPS. There's bad DPS, but not fake DPS.
There are fake tanks and healers because of people queuing as those to get in a shorter queue, but nobody ever queues as a DPS because they're trying to get in a shorter line to get in.
There are only three things you can queue as: healer, tank and DPS. If people know they aren't a tank or healer, then DPS is the only other option to pick.

You're going to be using the dungeon finder. Some people are going to stink at their roles. Suck it up or don't do it at all.

TequilaFire

Good news is the players these elitist snobs call bad are going to vastly out number them.
So vote to kick the elitist!

StormChaser3000

Lol, OP, was it you on PC NA server in Grathwood yelling in the zone chat that you need 100.000k dps and everyone else is a trash tier?

It looks like you queues sometimes take longer than dps queues xD Oh no, wait, even longer since you are getting kicked from groups for your 12 years old attitude.

paulychan

TequilaFire wrote: »

Good news is the players these elitist snobs call bad are going to vastly out number them.
So vote to kick the elitist!

Forgot that one
12 - if they are a max cp elitist jerkwad

Seri

SydneyGrey wrote: »

There's no such thing as "fake" DPS. There's bad DPS, but not fake DPS.
There are fake tanks and healers because of people queuing as those to get in a shorter queue, but nobody ever queues as a DPS because they're trying to get in a shorter line to get in.
There are only three things you can queue as: healer, tank and DPS. If people know they aren't a tank or healer, then DPS is the only other option to pick.

You're going to be using the dungeon finder. Some people are going to stink at their roles. Suck it up or don't do it at all.

On a technical level, I agree that there's no 'fake' dps for the purpose of queue jumping, but what's the realistic difference between a real tank trying (and failing) where they have multiple taunts but forgetting to block, forgetting to keep taunt up, running out of resources and dying, and a dps with 40k health light-attacking everything? Based on the various threads I read, I still feel like the tank would be kicked but everyone would defend the DPS that they're 'just bad, not fake'.

Jaraal

idk wrote: »

Form your own group. A decently skilled person can easily get into a decent guild. One might look at OP's name when considering this thread.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you can’t be a “decent human being”, then run a pre-made group or run it solo. Pretty simple.

Plus this ^^^

That's fine for getting Indrik feather tickets. But if you want a shot at the free houses, mounts, pets, etc, ZOS is forcing you to use the Group Finder.

Kurat

Honestly I don't get the point of this thread. If we are talking about the event, dont queue for random vet, do norm. Any half decent player should be able to solo all norm dungeons. So then just carry the noobs or fakes and get your tickets and crates. Why all this hate and kicking.
Best way to get easy fast dungeons done this event is to queue with low lvl noobs. I recently joined this new pve guild. They got 300+ members, half low lvl. They always looking to do dungeons. Just group with some lvl 10 and get FG1 lol. I can easily get all my toons dailys done with 0 frustration. Noobs are also happy for carry, so win win. No one kicks u for being fake if u can carry.
Just look for guild if you don't have any and stop the hate.
If ur on PC/NA then that's the one I joined
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/443005/lighthaven-end-game-pve-trials-events-social-newly-formed-and-recruiting#latest

Inarre

Kurat wrote: »

Honestly I don't get the point of this thread. If we are talking about the event, dont queue for random vet, do norm. Any half decent player should be able to solo all norm dungeons. So then just carry the noobs or fakes and get your tickets and crates. Why all this hate and kicking.
Best way to get easy fast dungeons done this event is to queue with low lvl noobs. I recently joined this new pve guild. They got 300+ members, half low lvl. They always looking to do dungeons. Just group with some lvl 10 and get FG1 lol. I can easily get all my toons dailys done with 0 frustration. Noobs are also happy for carry, so win win. No one kicks u for being fake if u can carry.
Just look for guild if you don't have any and stop the hate.
If ur on PC/NA then that's the one I joined
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/443005/lighthaven-end-game-pve-trials-events-social-newly-formed-and-recruiting#latest

That's the kicker. OP is in several guilds but can't form groups. Every time he forms he gets one player then stops chatting and waits for the first sucker to join to fill roles for him. If you don't chat for him he kicks you. Speaking from two separate experiences.

It's pretty clear Op is well aware of what he could do to be fast and efficient during the event without hurting people or wasting everyone's time. He just actually wants that.

FakeFox

There should be a fourth role introduced, for those who can't fulfill any of the three current ones. Dead weight or something.
Seeing the people usually crying the loudest about fake tanks and healers now furiously defending fake DPS is just great. Best thread 2018.

Ragged_Claw

Sylvermynx

I won't do group content. No one else should have to deal with my 2000+ ms ping. So no one has to worry about me doing/standing in stupid....

But I do encourage everyone to "not be a jerk" - holiday spirit I guess?

ZeroXFF

SydneyGrey wrote: »

There's no such thing as "fake" DPS. There's bad DPS, but not fake DPS.
There are fake tanks and healers because of people queuing as those to get in a shorter queue, but nobody ever queues as a DPS because they're trying to get in a shorter line to get in.
There are only three things you can queue as: healer, tank and DPS. If people know they aren't a tank or healer, then DPS is the only other option to pick.

You're going to be using the dungeon finder. Some people are going to stink at their roles. Suck it up or don't do it at all.

There are only three things you can queue as: healer, tank and DPS. If people know they aren't a tank or DPS, then healer is the only other option to pick.

There are only three things you can queue as: healer, tank and DPS. If people know they aren't a healer or DPS, then tank is the only other option to pick.

You see how that works... As I said before, by the standards of you fake DPS defenders, everyone who has a health bar is a tank.