Kick fake dps in undaunted event?

Zypheran

templesus wrote: »

If they’re not pulling atleast 25-30k they’re gone. Call me “Elitist” and what not I really don’t care. At the end of the day if when I’m pulling 52k on a 3mil solo on my magplar then everyone else can put in half the effort I did and pull atleast 25-30.

Not asking much. Literally half the effort i put in myself.

I'm gonna presume that this post refers to vet trials. Anyone demanding that level of dps for a random normal PUG is not being realistic. Also, what makes me suspect that this is just another troll post is the fact that if you were capable of pulling that level of dps, you would know that on ANY normal dungeon, all mobs and bosses just melt away at that level anyway even if the other dps just stands there rummaging in their bag. If you really were that level, you would know that initiating a kick will take more time than just burning through the dungeon!
But if it's acknowledgement you're after.....
Oh wow, really, 50k dps, you're just amazing! I hope I can be as good as you some day

templesus

Zypheran wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If they’re not pulling atleast 25-30k they’re gone. Call me “Elitist” and what not I really don’t care. At the end of the day if when I’m pulling 52k on a 3mil solo on my magplar then everyone else can put in half the effort I did and pull atleast 25-30.

Not asking much. Literally half the effort i put in myself.

I'm gonna presume that this post refers to vet trials. Anyone demanding that level of dps for a random normal PUG is not being realistic. Also, what makes me suspect that this is just another troll post is the fact that if you were capable of pulling that level of dps, you would know that on ANY normal dungeon, all mobs and bosses just melt away at that level anyway even if the other dps just stands there rummaging in their bag. If you really were that level, you would know that initiating a kick will take more time than just burning through the dungeon!
But if it's acknowledgement you're after.....
Oh wow, really, 50k dps, you're just amazing! I hope I can be as good as you some day

When I Que normal dungeons it’s only ever because I’m farming a set and need a way to reset instance, so I just solo the bosses while the rest of the group does there thing. I was referring to Vet dungeon finder specifically. Especially if it’s DLC dungeons.

Zypheran

templesus wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If they’re not pulling atleast 25-30k they’re gone. Call me “Elitist” and what not I really don’t care. At the end of the day if when I’m pulling 52k on a 3mil solo on my magplar then everyone else can put in half the effort I did and pull atleast 25-30.

Not asking much. Literally half the effort i put in myself.

I'm gonna presume that this post refers to vet trials. Anyone demanding that level of dps for a random normal PUG is not being realistic. Also, what makes me suspect that this is just another troll post is the fact that if you were capable of pulling that level of dps, you would know that on ANY normal dungeon, all mobs and bosses just melt away at that level anyway even if the other dps just stands there rummaging in their bag. If you really were that level, you would know that initiating a kick will take more time than just burning through the dungeon!
But if it's acknowledgement you're after.....
Oh wow, really, 50k dps, you're just amazing! I hope I can be as good as you some day

When I Que normal dungeons it’s only ever because I’m farming a set and need a way to reset instance, so I just solo the bosses while the rest of the group does there thing. I was referring to Vet dungeon finder specifically. Especially if it’s DLC dungeons.

Ok, well then I retract my attitude. I still think that's a bit high for a pug but not unreasonable. But I would imagine that because of the event, most people will be looking for the shortest path to a mystery box and queuing for random normals. Given that for this event, majority will be queuing normals, I thought you were advocating kicking people not pulling 25k dps in a random normal. Apologies for misunderstanding

Sevn

MajBludd wrote: »

And here I was told PvP is toxic

Not as toxic as fake pve elitists who complain about low dps in normals. Damn, if you're so great, can't you carry a team in normals?

Derra

Ah. A topic full of reason why i´ll just solo a dungeon each day. Lovely.

DarcyMardin

Since the first normal dungeons are available to characters at level 10, I wouldn’t worry too much about fake DPS on normals. If I see a low level player I’m happy, since it means I didn’t just load into a DLC dungeon

Protossyder

Oh, boy, why do so many players have such hard times with some random dungeons..?
I will definitely queue as a fake tank for the random daily on my DD. The moment you are done writing your complaint in the chat is the moment we are done with the last boss. Oh no, does that make me look like an evil elitist ?

Reistr_the_Unbroken

paulychan wrote: »

Reasons to kick Dps.
1 - if they use a bow
2 - for fun, tons more out there
3 - their name
4 - failed dps check
5 - if they say hi in voice chat
6 - if they look at you too long
7 - for fun... again
8 - if they run around a lot
9 - if they die without a real tank and heals
10 - magsorc

I’d hate to group with you then 🙄

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Hoolielulu wrote: »

This is why I don't do dungeons. I fear getting kicked and/or yelled at because I'm trying to learn and become a better player. Meh. These events just aren't made for me (which is fine)

Shame there aren't group events for accidentally falling off cliffs. I'm really good at that.

doomette wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

... I have the anxiety so I am not looking to group with people that are unkind - I don't have it in me to tolerate it.

This is what makes me wary about PUGs. And if someone starts berating me instead of being patient and helpful, I know my performance will just get worse until I quit the group and probably PUGs for good.
I know there’s probably just a slim chance of coming across jerks and most people are delightful, but still. I’m looking to enjoy the game, not for it to make me an anxious mess.

I agree with both of these, this is why I’ve never done dungeons or the like out of fear, am a somewhat new player (got ESO back in April), and stuck to overworld content 24/7

Skeough11

If they queue as a dps and don't do atleast 20k I will kick them. Same as fake tanks so fake dps get kicked.

FrancisCrawford

I so far have vote-kicked once in the entire time I've been playing the game, when DPS just couldn't handle the final boss fight. Only a few other times have I been in a full group that breaks up after a spate of wipes.

One thing that helps is that when I queue, it's either alone as a healer, or with my wife as a healer/DPS pair. So my groups ALWAYS have a healer who can do some damage, and who runs Elemental Drain.

Mureel

ZOS: Here! Have some free stuff! Just for funsies!
Some people: How to be Worst Person Ever!

Swear ta gawd, some people just can't let anyone enjoy things.

If you can handle the dungeon who cares?

9/10 kickers are people who are just that bad they don't even know how bad they are.

Mureel

Hoolielulu wrote: »

This is why I don't do dungeons. I fear getting kicked and/or yelled at because I'm trying to learn and become a better player. Meh. These events just aren't made for me (which is fine)

Shame there aren't group events for accidentally falling off cliffs. I'm really good at that.

Awww I am like go ON and say sth to me xD I will go ahead and finish every boss alone then log out before you get a hit and you can redo pledge. If you are PC NA hit me up @izzystardust and I will tank or heal or dps or w/e with ya!

alanmatillab16_ESO

Don't want to put up with RANDOM players in a RANDOM group then make a group from your friends list or guild. Random does not just refer to the dungeon that will be chosen.

Simples

S'wits like the OP are why many players new to instances are reluctant to do random groups. I can understand the OPs attitude in veteran runs or trials but their attitude appears in normal difficulty runs too.

Events like these encourage players new to instances to give them a try but all they meet are players like the OP and it puts them off completely and you end up with players like the OP complaining there isnt enough people running higher tier content.

albesca

doomette wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

... I have the anxiety so I am not looking to group with people that are unkind - I don't have it in me to tolerate it.

This is what makes me wary about PUGs. And if someone starts berating me instead of being patient and helpful, I know my performance will just get worse until I quit the group and probably PUGs for good.
I know there’s probably just a slim chance of coming across jerks and most people are delightful, but still. I’m looking to enjoy the game, not for it to make me an anxious mess.

My, admittedly limited, experience with PUGs (normal, non DLC dungeons) is that everyone ignores the others, there's the occasional "hi" in text chat (sometimes with little to no response) and the slightly less rare "ty" or "gg" at the end.
Sometimes I've seen people do pretty stupid things (and then die, usually), but they get resurrected sooner or later and everyone moves on

witchdoctor

Protossyder wrote: »

Oh, boy, why do so many players have such hard times with some random dungeons..?
I will definitely queue as a fake tank for the random daily on my DD. The moment you are done writing your complaint in the chat is the moment we are done with the last boss. Oh no, does that make me look like an evil elitist ?

If you taunt that last boss no one in any way gives a s**t.

randomkeyhits

mommadani907 wrote: »

And some of this thread is precisely why I don't want to wing it and hope I don't end up with horrible people. I'll say it again, if you are wanting to avoid the jerky people, I'm looking to get folks to group with after 9pm-ish Eastern time to run normal randoms. I don't care how much experience you do or do not have. I have the anxiety so I am not looking to group with people that are unkind - I don't have it in me to tolerate it. So, if you ALSO want a group with people that will be kind and we can work through whatever dungeons we get, let me know!

The thing about the forum is that most dungeon stories are about what triggers us, the smooth runs are banked and forgotten within minutes the "did that really happen????" ones are the ones which make it here, very unrepresentative.

I pug every day both normal and vet and the majority, the vast majority in normal are totally uncontentious, there may be someone who is obviously weak but usually you just run through and complete anyway. Most conversations in normals are along the lines of

At start ; someone types "hi" there may be a typed response apart from my own
at end : someone types "well done" or sometimes "need xxxxx"
I wait if it looks like someone has the quest to hand in and then eventually leave.

O_LYKOS

What gives you the right to kick a dps just because they’re not up to your expectations? Help and guild people if they’re not doing so good.

If you’re not happy with the group you get via group finder then try making some friends in game and run dungeons with them.

Mureel

O_LYKOS wrote: »

What gives you the right to kick a dps just because they’re not up to your expectations? Help and guild people if they’re not doing so good.

If you’re not happy with the group you get via group finder then try making some friends in game and run dungeons with them.

Well I bet that would be hard given the attitude - tbh!

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Is there a way to tell if a character would be a tank or damage dealer? I’m not sure because honestly I only do overworld content and my main is a (starving) vampire

witchdoctor

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Is there a way to tell if a character would be a tank or damage dealer? I’m not sure because honestly I only do overworld content and my main is a (starving) vampire

Have a taunt? Undaunted skill, frost staff with passive, or 1-hand skill; then be a tank.

Able to kill stuff at whatever pace sufficient for any DPS check? Then be a DPS.

Protossyder

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Is there a way to tell if a character would be a tank or damage dealer? I’m not sure because honestly I only do overworld content and my main is a (starving) vampire

Are you talking about other players or your own chars?

Just from the looks:

Tank: sword and shield, mostly Dragonknight or Warden

DD: dual wield + bow or destruction staffs, any class

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Protossyder wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Is there a way to tell if a character would be a tank or damage dealer? I’m not sure because honestly I only do overworld content and my main is a (starving) vampire

Are you talking about other players or your own chars?

Just from the looks:

Tank: sword and shield, mostly Dragonknight or Warden

DD: dual wield + bow or destruction staffs, any class

My own characters

albesca

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Is there a way to tell if a character would be a tank or damage dealer? I’m not sure because honestly I only do overworld content and my main is a (starving) vampire

Generally speaking, your goal as a tank would be to draw bosses and mobs attention away from DDs and healer, and to withstand their damage, so you should have taunt skills and focus on resistance, I'd say.
Otherwise, unless you have healing and buffing skill, you're a DD.

John_Falstaff

@Reistr_the_Unbroken , what others say. If you want to be a tank, your bare minimum is a taunt (Puncture from sword & shield line, Inner Fire from Undaunted or, with less success, heavy attack of an ice staff with passive unlocked) and some survivability (as much as given content requires). The goal is to keep boss and heavy-hitters taunted so they wouldn't target squishier party members.

mague

Since i am planning to do it with my PvP healer in heavy impen i wont complain

FrancisCrawford

mommadani907 wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

... I have the anxiety so I am not looking to group with people that are unkind - I don't have it in me to tolerate it.

This is what makes me wary about PUGs. And if someone starts berating me instead of being patient and helpful, I know my performance will just get worse until I quit the group and probably PUGs for good.
I know there’s probably just a slim chance of coming across jerks and most people are delightful, but still. I’m looking to enjoy the game, not for it to make me an anxious mess.

I get that 5000%. I know I can eventually be fine, but until I have done enough dungeons to feel like I'm not holding everyone back, I can't have crappy people running them with me. Ya know, I PvP a lot, but the people out there even when they are irritated about a crap defense or whatever, they are generally really informative and helpful and don't make me feel like I've ruined everything. And that is probably EXACTLY how the dungeon crowd would be, but I don't know that on a level that overrides my anxiety yet. So, I thought trying to set up some things for not just me might be a good idea. And if it doesn't work out, thats fine, at least I tried.

Have you EVER done dungeons before? If not, then I suggest you start by soloing a few, or taking a single friend/acquaintance and duoing them. A typical "trash mob" fight is as tough as 1-2 public dungeon trash mobs taken together. Bosses, at least in the easier dungeons, are comparable to base-game world bosses, or indeed in most cases easier than the world bosses that were upgraded in difficulty for One Tamriel. Just take a build with good self-healing and good sustain, and try to do a lot of your damage in AoE. E.g.:

• On a magplar you're fine with Puncturing Sweeps, Reflective Light, Blazing Spear, Elemental Blockage, Elemental Drain, Channeled Focus, Honor the Dead, and the Destruction staff ultimate. If you want to take a shield and Mutagen too, that's fine.
• On a mag sorcerer you're fine with dual pets, Daedric Prey, Elemental Blockade, Liquid Lightning, Power Surge, a shield and the destro ultimate.

The first six dungeons -- i.e. the ones in the first two zones of each alliance -- are all straightforward, with few mechanics that could trip you up. The last boss is Banished Cells 1 has feast balls like a harvester's, but only coming in from one direction. The final boss of Spindleclutch 1 has an unbreakable cc that you probably won't avoid. The quasi-final boss of Darkshade 1 and an intermediate boss of Elden Hollow 1 have adds that heal them, which you can probably ignore. That's about as hard as the mechanics get. Lots of bosses and mobs cc you, so consider bringing Immovable pots.

Even if you aren't good enough to beat the hardest fights solo, you certainly can last long enough to get a good sense of what the dungeons are like.

eliisra

I will kick if I'm doing a vet pledge and the dps isn't using an actual dps build, dragging down the group massively and making the dungeon more or less impossible to complete.

It's fine if someone is a bit on the lower side dps wise, but clearly trying in terms of rotation and build. It's okay to be inexperienced when it comes to mechanics, as long as you speak up about it and listen.

It's however not acceptable with stuff like 30k health sword&board dps in vet dungeons! I don't care if it's your overland roleplay build, hybrid PvP build or don't know any better. If you can't even take the time to make a super basic dps build to fulfill the role, you shouldn't be queuing as damage dealer for vet content.

But I always give people a chance at least, even if their build and dmg looks really alarming initially. Only if the dungeon will be more or less unbeatable or take hours because of a specific player, I will try to replace them.

paulychan

randomkeyhits wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

And some of this thread is precisely why I don't want to wing it and hope I don't end up with horrible people. I'll say it again, if you are wanting to avoid the jerky people, I'm looking to get folks to group with after 9pm-ish Eastern time to run normal randoms. I don't care how much experience you do or do not have. I have the anxiety so I am not looking to group with people that are unkind - I don't have it in me to tolerate it. So, if you ALSO want a group with people that will be kind and we can work through whatever dungeons we get, let me know!

The thing about the forum is that most dungeon stories are about what triggers us, the smooth runs are banked and forgotten within minutes the "did that really happen????" ones are the ones which make it here, very unrepresentative.

I pug every day both normal and vet and the majority, the vast majority in normal are totally uncontentious, there may be someone who is obviously weak but usually you just run through and complete anyway. Most conversations in normals are along the lines of

At start ; someone types "hi" there may be a typed response apart from my own
at end : someone types "well done" or sometimes "need xxxxx"
I wait if it looks like someone has the quest to hand in and then eventually leave.

This is my daily experience as well. I'm not sure why people are all afraid and worried.
I forgot one for my list though
11 - you recognise them as an a**hat from the forums

pod88kk

Inarre wrote: »

How about just be a decent human being

Is that available in the crown store?