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FYI: Updates on Class Rep Program

  • angeleda
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    NDA....? Really? As if it is not enough that u do the opposite of what the community needs now u muffle the class reps...

    Well done
  • Gnozo
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    angeleda wrote: »
    NDA....? Really? As if it is not enough that u do the opposite of what the community needs now u muffle the class reps...

    Well done

    Tell me what changed in a Bad way? @angeleda

    Now devs can talk with reps about changes that havent been announced yet and discuss if they are good or not. And ofc reps Shouldnt be allowed to talk about this with the public cause things can change a lot until zos announces such changes .

    If ZOS now announces this changes Reps can also talk about them. So things like shield nerf disaster could be stopped before they go on pts with the help of the class reps.

    I See nothing Bad in there. Ppl are Just hating for no reason without using their brain.
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    In short: "shut up and swallow whatever we are forcing down your throats because it's too late for you to do anything when we make it into PTS." GG.
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  • Cronopoly
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    Didnt Carmack sign an NDA too? Damn resultant fiasco was belived to be one reason we never saw native VR support. Damn i wanted that...
  • delbonds
    delbonds
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    Changes implemented in Murkmire for Mag Sorc are disgraceful, the only class to be forced to go a hybrid build, a mag based set & tanking set, no other class have you done this to & why? You've bent over backwards to appease new player experience (moan moan i can't beat this class, i can't beat that class, can you make it easier for me), these players that haven't bothered to roll all classes to understand class weakness & how to exploit it, put the time & practice into pvp, rotation, animation cancelling & setting up execute, stun, ulti, along with proc's to maximise pvp performance! With these changes you've giving the finger to long established players, allot of whom are subscribing from day one (you know? ... the players that have made your game financially viable for over 4yr). You talk about balancing? ... These changes balance nothing! You've wrecked this class at the request of blow in players (lets see how long these players will be playing into the future?) Out of arrogance on your behalf & the lack of competition for a PC grade MMO on console you thought we'd accept these *cough* balancing changes??? Wrong we won't .... BDO is now on the horizon & from playing the BETA just gone, allot of angry soon to be ex sub ESO players are counting the days down!! It's up to the long established ESO community to slap some manners on you lot & it's coming when BDO drops 👍
  • S'yn
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    ZOS has picked some class reps that have an active stake in the direction of the game, and they have actually asked for someone else's opinion on how things should proceed. I'm not really seeing a downside here. The ESO community is usually positive, but somehow on this issue, there is a lot of negativity and apprehension. I really enjoy ESO, but if the game takes a direction that I absolutely can't live with, I could do something radical, like try a different game?

    Some people will be happy with any given change, other people will be unhappy with the same change. Generating a bunch of unnecessary drama and bad feelings is not helpful towards changes that may or may not even become part of the live game. Adapting to changes is part of life, no?
  • Ohtimbar
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    I'm happy speaking for myself and representing my own interests. If the devs aren't willing to read their own forums then that's on them. I'm sure Zenimax Media can shake enough pennies out of the sofa to pay someone to do that job. Oh, wait, free labor, I mean community engagement. That's the ticket.
  • JumpmanLane
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    How did they pick these class reps. I seen the class rep of the class I main only on the stam version. Seen him get mopped in duels by the guy who taught me the mag version. (By mopped, I mean dead sliding on the floor). Facts. Lol
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  • Girl_Number8
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    DoobZ69 wrote: »
    Community: Hey ZOS I have problem 1,2,3. Are you fixing any of those?

    ZOS: Can't tell you, let's get a class rep program going.

    Community: Hey Class Reps I have problem 1,2,3 Is ZOS fixing any of those?

    Class Reps: Cant tell you.


    *** be ***.

    Or certain reps just ban you from the discord discussions. Ouh....I guess that won't happen anymore since no more talking :#

    Edited by Girl_Number8 on November 22, 2018 3:33PM
  • Mondini
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    How did they pick these class reps. I seen the class rep of the class I main only on the stam version. Seen him get mopped in duels by the guy who taught me the mag version. (By mopped, I mean dead sliding on the floor). Facts. Lol

    mainly cellar dweller pve players who think they are hot ***.
  • marius_buys
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    Why the secrecy? Signing class reps into non disclosure makes no sense as the feedback dies with the ZOS discussion and is not open to the community. This COPLETELY missises the point of having a class rep. Do you really want to limit the feedback as quid-pro-quo to and from the community tova once off input via a single players personal take in aconce off meeting once every four months?

    By locking up class reps into non disclosure ZOS DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE EXERCISE I honestly dont care about the surprise factor, what I DO CARE about is sweeping changes that will break the game and the over 7000hrs I have invested in it.

    Please, please dont limit community input by killing feedback from class reps, it stifles the robust discussion any suggested change need to go through before implementing it.

    Criticism, good or bad, is like a new jacket, put it on, wear it, see which parts you like and make informed changes, a dev/class rep clique that locks out the community fundamentally changes the role of the class rep to that of a limited negotiator without reaction from the community.

    That very important reaction which will be a barometer of how things will be received on release.
  • SaltySudd
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno when are the notes from the class rep meeting going to be posted? :smiley:

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    Edited by SaltySudd on December 6, 2018 1:22PM
    Stop exploiting players.
  • Alcast
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    SaltySudd wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno when are the notes from the class rep meeting going to be posted? :smiley:

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    That stuff is under NDA so probably never.
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  • SaltySudd
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    Alcast wrote: »
    That stuff is under NDA so probably never.

    @Alcast
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  • altair1969
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    I ( try) to play on eu server on Xbox, it's become impossible, did you have solutions because we are numerous stopping teso and eso+

    https://xboxclips.com/altair1969/85657fb0-32ae-4f6f-89b6-7cab2f788b03
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    https://xboxclips.com/altair1969/4deeb409-f880-49fa-af89-eabab3ca5730

    I can link a lot of exemple to explain that our game is totally broken 😢

    What did you do for that?
  • BossXV
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    Alcast wrote: »
    SaltySudd wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno when are the notes from the class rep meeting going to be posted? :smiley:

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    That stuff is under NDA so probably never.

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  • StrawberryKitsune
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Valykc wrote: »
    I think people are misunderstanding or jumping to conclusions.
    We’d also like to take this time to talk about some changes we’re making to the program. Effective immediately, all Class Reps have signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) to help facilitate more transparency between them and the development team, and allow us to have a more open dialogue more regularly.
    So as it's written, it seems like the NDA will allow ZOS to be a little more open with intended changes/ideas when talking to the class reps, so that the reps may say "stop, that's a terrible idea" or "sounds good". It's just that the reps are now more restricted in what info they may pass along to us. Definitely a trade-off, though I think it's acceptable unless the NDA is far more extreme than I'm assuming. But the class reps are competent people, so if they all signed off on it then it surely isn't that bad.

    yeah, because we saw how well ZOS listened to the reps during Nerfmire PTS 🙄.

    Problem is when ZoS is announcing their balance changes to the community which includes reps they have those things already coded and ready to land on PTS so it's hard to start rethinking buch of changes and reprogramming code parts connected to them few days before it hits PTS or live server. Now when class reps will be under NDA devs will be able to tell them about plans for the future updates and ideas for balance much earlier which creates posibility that changes like cast time on shields idea will never even touch the game code.

    But if they are under NDA that they cannot pose those changes/ideas to the community to get opinions on them because they are future updates then by the time the community find out and potentially react negatively, it'll be at the PTS stage. The things you talk about will still be a problem and changes cannot be made drastically or easily. The NDA doesn't help with this... If class reps cannot gather feedback on changes how can they do their job and represent?
  • xxthir13enxx
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    The Class Reps feedback IS what ZOS is looking for. They are Supposed to be Representation of the Overall Player Demographic. So when it comes to Future Developments they can’t speak freely with Player base...just express Their concerns as to how they feel it will impact the Majority back to Zos. As for Current State they have more Freedoms to speak openly
  • Juhasow
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Valykc wrote: »
    I think people are misunderstanding or jumping to conclusions.
    We’d also like to take this time to talk about some changes we’re making to the program. Effective immediately, all Class Reps have signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) to help facilitate more transparency between them and the development team, and allow us to have a more open dialogue more regularly.
    So as it's written, it seems like the NDA will allow ZOS to be a little more open with intended changes/ideas when talking to the class reps, so that the reps may say "stop, that's a terrible idea" or "sounds good". It's just that the reps are now more restricted in what info they may pass along to us. Definitely a trade-off, though I think it's acceptable unless the NDA is far more extreme than I'm assuming. But the class reps are competent people, so if they all signed off on it then it surely isn't that bad.

    yeah, because we saw how well ZOS listened to the reps during Nerfmire PTS 🙄.

    Problem is when ZoS is announcing their balance changes to the community which includes reps they have those things already coded and ready to land on PTS so it's hard to start rethinking buch of changes and reprogramming code parts connected to them few days before it hits PTS or live server. Now when class reps will be under NDA devs will be able to tell them about plans for the future updates and ideas for balance much earlier which creates posibility that changes like cast time on shields idea will never even touch the game code.

    But if they are under NDA that they cannot pose those changes/ideas to the community to get opinions on them because they are future updates then by the time the community find out and potentially react negatively, it'll be at the PTS stage. The things you talk about will still be a problem and changes cannot be made drastically or easily. The NDA doesn't help with this... If class reps cannot gather feedback on changes how can they do their job and represent?

    You have no idea how class reps program work dont You ?
  • Waffennacht
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    The Class Reps feedback IS what ZOS is looking for. They are Supposed to be Representation of the Overall Player Demographic. So when it comes to Future Developments they can’t speak freely with Player base...just express Their concerns as to how they feel it will impact the Majority back to Zos. As for Current State they have more Freedoms to speak openly

    In other words; from ZoS' stand point - They Are The Player Base...

    I can see where all of this leads straight to trouble of the already been there variety
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  • Malamar1229
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    Can we still nominate players? I'd like to nominate TheShockcable as new class rep.
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  • Minno
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    Can we still nominate players? I'd like to nominate TheShockcable as new class rep.

    Second this!
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  • Haashhtaag
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    Can we still nominate players? I'd like to nominate TheShockcable as new class rep.

    So it is said, so shall it be done.
  • Malamar1229
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    His insight on class mechanics, especially magsorcs, is based on years of unbiased experience and his PvP knowledge and skill is unparalleled. Also, his dedication to protecting the community from cheaters and hackers by leveraging the in game Report feature has put his integrity ahead of everyone else. @nightblademechanics
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  • D0PAMINE
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    His insight on class mechanics, especially magsorcs, is based on years of unbiased experience and his PvP knowledge and skill is unparalleled. Also, his dedication to protecting the community from cheaters and hackers by leveraging the in game Report feature has put his integrity ahead of everyone else. @nightblademechanics

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