how are shields now?

Syiccal

with all the talk of shields and sorcs, the question I have is how has this impacted dks, nb's, wardens that only use harness/healing ward. Now they can be crit (imo the biggest change) how is survival

usmguy1234

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Biro123

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

I think it is. Sustain for mag is harsh in heavy

Strider__Roshin

Depends. Shields will be potentially stronger than they are on live, but you'll have to sacrifice damage in order to achieve that.

Ragnarock41

Shields are only nerfed for glass cannon la builds. If you're a tanky templar/dk, you will get a lot more benefit out of them compared to before. The crit change was a nerf obviously but a needed one.

Nicko_Lps

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Shields are only nerfed for glass cannon la builds. The crit change was a nerf obviously but a needed one.

It was a needed one for eternally whining forum plebs that cant L2P and counter shields, as most classes besides magplars can easily counter them.

Shields since 2014 had 10 nerfs in total, 12 with the murk upcoming.


I bet everything i have you all will keep whining about shields instead of L2P.

lucky_dutch

Biro123 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

I think it is. Sustain for mag is harsh in heavy

To be fair - what good is sustain when you die inside a single cc?

To answer OP: I think light will still be ok with some builds but my Magblade will have to be vampire now and focus on kiting with mist and re-stealthing rather than ‘duelling’ in order to stay alive.

susmitds

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

I think it is. Sustain for mag is harsh in heavy

To be fair - what good is sustain when you die inside a single cc?

To answer OP: I think light will still be ok with some builds but my Magblade will have to be vampire now and focus on kiting with mist and re-stealthing rather than ‘duelling’ in order to stay alive.

Mist form is basically RIP against bleed builds, who stack DoT after DoT, and CC+ Ulti dump as soon as mist drops for the first time.

Rake

ok.

Brutusmax1mus

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Shields are only nerfed for glass cannon la builds. The crit change was a nerf obviously but a needed one.

It was a needed one for eternally whining forum plebs that cant L2P and counter shields, as most classes besides magplars can easily counter them.

Shields since 2014 had 10 nerfs in total, 12 with the murk upcoming.


I bet everything i have you all will keep whining about shields instead of L2P.

Shields are great, i love them. They work fantastically.

@Nicko_Lps give me your stuff

Ill give you my stuff when you give me your intellectual sense of humor.


Fair deal.Bargain or hit the road.

You already created the terms. I met them. No compromise, deliver.

Strider__Roshin

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

ku5h

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

Vahrokh

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

The reason? If this setup is even vaguely viable (not good, just viable), it'll be nerfed to craptonic proportions at the earliest opportunity.

susmitds

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

If you are already at full HP, your shields are working fine and you don't need the extra mitigation. Pariah gives you resists at 100% HP as well, and kicks in full force, when you actually need to damage control. Also against high burst stamblades, stamdens or stamplars, good luck maintaining max HP, most of which will eat your shields anyways with bleeds.

thankyourat

I was thinking I could use brass or armor master and get my resistances to around 24k And health around 26k, and then I could use necro to get my magicka around 48-50k. I figured this would make my shields tanky and also not require me to keep the shield up 100% of the time. My regen could be over 2k with gold food. And then use a monster set based on what I need. More defensive troll king or bloodspawn, mores offensive zaan or skoria, or mismatch 1 pieces. It could be viable but I can't test it

Speed_Kills

Some of these incorrect assumptions are hilarious. Light armor is still very much viable, and required for some classes to achieve decent damage. Survivabilty is a l2p issue.

Stibbons

Just fine.

Anken5

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Shields are only nerfed for glass cannon la builds. If you're a tanky templar/dk, you will get a lot more benefit out of them compared to before. The crit change was a nerf obviously but a needed one.

High magicka builds are not "glass cannon builds", but they are the most impacted by this nerf.

Anken5

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Shields are only nerfed for glass cannon la builds. If you're a tanky templar/dk, you will get a lot more benefit out of them compared to before. The crit change was a nerf obviously but a needed one.

High magicka builds are not "glass cannon builds", however they are the most impacted by this nerf.

phileunderx2

Shields are fine for me absolutely useless for pets.

Strider__Roshin

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

You gain the entire 5th piece bonus at 68% health, and Pariah synergies quite well with undeath; which once again synergizes well with healing ward.

usmguy1234

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Good luck with the doo doo damage that build has.

lucky_dutch

susmitds wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

I think it is. Sustain for mag is harsh in heavy

To be fair - what good is sustain when you die inside a single cc?

To answer OP: I think light will still be ok with some builds but my Magblade will have to be vampire now and focus on kiting with mist and re-stealthing rather than ‘duelling’ in order to stay alive.

Mist form is basically RIP against bleed builds, who stack DoT after DoT, and CC+ Ulti dump as soon as mist drops for the first time.

Err.... no.

The whole point of the mist -> cloak combo is it’s an almost uncounterable escape mechanism at the expense of being more vulnerable to certain skills in combat.

Mist gives you the distance on your target so they can’t AoE you out of stealth. If you’ve also dropped a shade first, even if they’re spamming gap closers on you whilst you’re in mist, when you come out you retreat to your shade and by the time they figure out what you did, you’re long gone!

Besides, as a Magblade, if you’ve let anyone stack more than one bleed on you, you’re doing it wrong buddy.

L2P issues on your side me thinks 🤷‍♂️

Biro123

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Good luck with the doo doo damage that build has.

Thing is, though, going heavy I think it would be worse because you'd have to give up pretty much all damage in your build to be able to sustain.

usmguy1234

Daus wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

You gain the entire 5th piece bonus at 68% health, and Pariah synergies quite well with undeath; which once again synergizes well with healing ward.

@Daus i can tell you've be lurking the sorc discord again... enough to quote my misquote of a fact about pariah. To put the record straight pariah outperforms all other defensive sets as long as you are under 68% health. You continue to gain the 5th piece bonus until you are almost dead. You do not gain the entire bonus at 68% health.

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Strider__Roshin

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

You gain the entire 5th piece bonus at 68% health, and Pariah synergies quite well with undeath; which once again synergizes well with healing ward.

@Daus i can tell you've be lurking the sorc discord again... enough to quote my misquote of a fact about pariah. To put the record straight pariah outperforms all other defensive sets as long as you are under 68% health. You continue to gain the 5th piece bonus until you are almost dead. You do not gain the entire bonus at 68% health.

Actually bud I didn't get that from you, but from the thread that compared all the defensive sets.

I'm really not that active in there as you know, and it's mainly just a time killer for me. Good to know though!

Mayrael

susmitds wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

If you are already at full HP, your shields are working fine and you don't need the extra mitigation. Pariah gives you resists at 100% HP as well, and kicks in full force, when you actually need to damage control. Also against high burst stamblades, stamdens or stamplars, good luck maintaining max HP, most of which will eat your shields anyways with bleeds.

You do realise that pariah is complete waste vs bleeds? Actually against bleeds there is just one method: turn around and don't feed the cheesy players.

Strider__Roshin

Mayrael wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

If you are already at full HP, your shields are working fine and you don't need the extra mitigation. Pariah gives you resists at 100% HP as well, and kicks in full force, when you actually need to damage control. Also against high burst stamblades, stamdens or stamplars, good luck maintaining max HP, most of which will eat your shields anyways with bleeds.

You do realise that pariah is complete waste vs bleeds? Actually against bleeds there is just one method: turn around and don't feed the cheesy players.

And? Were you expecting some kind of a pass? At least you still have shields to take some of the pressure off rather than defiled healing.

ak_pvp

Shields are back to how they were pre nerf overall, better vs some builds, low pen ones and worse vs others like bleed builds
I know, shock, horror, people have to adapt, but at least adapted builds are given something in return.

You don't need to build as heavily into mag anymore due to the cap, and get more out of resistances. However you need to build heavier into impen, so rolling is more costly. Bleed builds are going to ruin people unfortunately. Completely unresisted and critting.

usmguy1234

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just switch to heavy. Light armor is not viable in pvp anymore.

Shields don't benefit from increased healing received. I see no reason why magicka should switch to heavy when it's so easy to just use Pariah jewelry +2 armor pieces if you want that extra mitigation. Also concentration just got a nice buff since it'll buff your damage against shields now.

Why would you ever use Pariah set over Fortified Brass set on a shielding build? Pariah becomes better only when you drop below 65% HP or something, which is where you dont want to be as a shielder.

You gain the entire 5th piece bonus at 68% health, and Pariah synergies quite well with undeath; which once again synergizes well with healing ward.

@Daus i can tell you've be lurking the sorc discord again... enough to quote my misquote of a fact about pariah. To put the record straight pariah outperforms all other defensive sets as long as you are under 68% health. You continue to gain the 5th piece bonus until you are almost dead. You do not gain the entire bonus at 68% health.

Actually bud I didn't get that from you, but from the thread that compared all the defensive sets.

I'm really not that active in there as you know, and it's mainly just a time killer for me. Good to know though!

If so we made the same mistake