PTS Update 20 - Feedback Thread for Dragonknights

IZZEFlameLash

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Yo can we get Wrobel fired? Or at least demoted? Cause I swear to god his decisions may one day kill this game.

It's mind boggling. A certain company with the name starting with 'B' basically removed a certain individual from a title because of user complaints about the game's atrocious decisions resulted from that person but here, for some reason, Wrobel can make atrocious decisions and yet still gets to keep the job. But anyways, Wrobel and Rob needs to stop injecting their personal preferences in making balance decisions tbh.

xselfish

Now with the changes to swift, playing a medium armor Dk is gonna be a joke. Swift is literally the only way I am able to kite and 1vx without getting pooped on. 2H/Bow play style is basically dead for a Dk now. There won’t be anyone left after that change takes affect.

zParallaxz

That’s the thing dude Swift was over performing on several classes. The main bad pain points were stamden and stam sorc spin to win speed demons who can’t be targeted and if they were they could tank because they are in heavy.

Veg

Quantum_V wrote: »

Virtually no changes to DKs on PTS 3... Worrisome

I remember when I tried getting mDK's better pvp mechanics buy spamming the forums with bugged ability videos and slipping in raw number comparisons on average k/d ratios for different classes (mDK being bottom tier). You may as well be speaking your own language, they just don't understand.

Honestly I feel bad for you class reps sill trying to convince the devs to make the better changes. In the past 4 almost 5 years I've only ever seen 1 or 2 actually good changes for pvp purely because of feedback. The 99% of changes have basically had nothing to do with closing the ever growing gap between classes pvp kill potential.

I'm out of the loop at this point but I imagine stam builds are still flying around slapping bads for kills in 1-3 seconds. This will probably be ESO pvp until the game is done.

zParallaxz

Veg wrote: »

Quantum_V wrote: »

Virtually no changes to DKs on PTS 3... Worrisome

I remember when I tried getting mDK's better pvp mechanics buy spamming the forums with bugged ability videos and slipping in raw number comparisons on average k/d ratios for different classes (mDK being bottom tier). You may as well be speaking your own language, they just don't understand.

Honestly I feel bad for you class reps sill trying to convince the devs to make the better changes. In the past 4 almost 5 years I've only ever seen 1 or 2 actually good changes for pvp purely because of feedback. The 99% of changes have basically had nothing to do with closing the ever growing gap between classes pvp kill potential.

I'm out of the loop at this point but I imagine stam builds are still flying around slapping bads for kills in 1-3 seconds. This will probably be ESO pvp until the game is done.

Yep

NBrookus

Veg wrote: »

I'm out of the loop at this point but I imagine stam builds are still flying around slapping bads for kills in 1-3 seconds. This will probably be ESO pvp until the game is done.

Yep.

Well, actually... it's worse. Tried heavy stamden meta-ish tonight. The amount of near effortless damage, ample resources and tankiness -- even for a novice is not quite what I wanted purple gear -- is astonishing. Comparing it to melee magicka is disheartening.

IZZEFlameLash

NBrookus wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

I'm out of the loop at this point but I imagine stam builds are still flying around slapping bads for kills in 1-3 seconds. This will probably be ESO pvp until the game is done.

Yep.

Well, actually... it's worse. Tried heavy stamden meta-ish tonight. The amount of near effortless damage, ample resources and tankiness -- even for a novice is not quite what I wanted purple gear -- is astonishing. Comparing it to melee magicka is disheartening.

This is true. Same experience over here. Much less effort to play melee compared to magicka. Magicka DK resource management is a minigame of its own. Even faster staff heavy attack would be welcome at this point as sustain help.

OrphanHelgen

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

I'm out of the loop at this point but I imagine stam builds are still flying around slapping bads for kills in 1-3 seconds. This will probably be ESO pvp until the game is done.

Yep.

Well, actually... it's worse. Tried heavy stamden meta-ish tonight. The amount of near effortless damage, ample resources and tankiness -- even for a novice is not quite what I wanted purple gear -- is astonishing. Comparing it to melee magicka is disheartening.

This is true. Same experience over here. Much less effort to play melee compared to magicka. Magicka DK resource management is a minigame of its own. Even faster staff heavy attack would be welcome at this point as sustain help.

Actually I like this idea very much. Would make them unique compared to others this way. Could maybe add this to molten armaments?

Ocelot9x

Well,you actually tried the easiest class in the game,you should try a stamina dk or a stamplar. You guys are so delusional thinking mag vs stam while it’s class/spec vs class/spec.

Xvorg

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Well,you actually tried the easiest class in the game,you should try a stamina dk or a stamplar. You guys are so delusional thinking mag vs stam while it’s class/spec vs class/spec.

What class? mDK?

Onefrkncrzypope

Xvorg wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Well,you actually tried the easiest class in the game,you should try a stamina dk or a stamplar. You guys are so delusional thinking mag vs stam while it’s class/spec vs class/spec.

What class? mDK?

Stam ward is what he was referring to.

Xvorg

@Quantum_V

Another question for the development team: if mDK is gonna get a cost increase in the Flame Lash proc, to make it similar to Frags and Will, shouldn't in turn get a cost reduction in all the skills, or a cost redution passive, or at least a (consistent) resource recovery passive?

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

We have no cost reduction, resource increase or a skill like Dark Exchange or Siph Strikes, so imho the cost increase is not entirely justified.

Considering wee need to invest res to make the proc work, it seems fair.

Kronuxx

@Quantum_V Thank you for trying to help us DK's out. There's only so much you can do when talking to a crumbling decrepit brick wall.

Please ask them, why nothing to help improve what little stam dk's have? Why not at least improve noxious breath hit box mechanics? I mean, Gina did post that they were aware of it in a previous class rep notes. Why gives us poison cost reduction for 2 already cheap poison abilities?

I just don't understand. What are they trying to do? Why are they making these changes? Do they even care? Or do they only make changes to the most popular classes, to keep the majority player base preoccupied?

Honestly, I'm almost positive they are persistent liars. They lie so that they can make money. They lie so they can avoid responsibility. Constantly lying will only harm yourself and your conscience in the end.

Onefrkncrzypope

Kronuxx wrote: »

@Quantum_V Thank you for trying to help us DK's out. There's only so much you can do when talking to a crumbling decrepit brick wall.

Please ask them, why nothing to help improve what little stam dk's have? Why not at least improve noxious breath hit box mechanics? I mean, Gina did post that they were aware of it in a previous class rep notes. Why gives us poison cost reduction for 2 already cheap poison abilities?

I just don't understand. What are they trying to do? Why are they making these changes? Do they even care? Or do they only make changes to the most popular classes, to keep the majority player base preoccupied?

Honestly, I'm almost positive they are persistent liars. They lie so that they can make money. They lie so they can avoid responsibility. Constantly lying will only harm yourself and your conscience in the end.

I mean I just think they really are a little lost with the lesser used classes. Nightblades and Sorcs represent a vast majority of the population. They are just running a business.

zParallaxz

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Another question for the development team: if mDK is gonna get a cost increase in the Flame Lash proc, to make it similar to Frags and Will, shouldn't in turn get a cost reduction in all the skills, or a cost redution passive, or at least a (consistent) resource recovery passive?

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

We have no cost reduction, resource increase or a skill like Dark Exchange or Siph Strikes, so imho the cost increase is not entirely justified.

Considering wee need to invest res to make the proc work, it seems fair.

Do honestly think they thought that far? lol

Quantum_V

Kronuxx wrote: »

@Quantum_V Thank you for trying to help us DK's out. There's only so much you can do when talking to a crumbling decrepit brick wall.

Please ask them, why nothing to help improve what little stam dk's have? Why not at least improve noxious breath hit box mechanics? I mean, Gina did post that they were aware of it in a previous class rep notes. Why gives us poison cost reduction for 2 already cheap poison abilities?

I just don't understand. What are they trying to do? Why are they making these changes? Do they even care? Or do they only make changes to the most popular classes, to keep the majority player base preoccupied?

Honestly, I'm almost positive they are persistent liars. They lie so that they can make money. They lie so they can avoid responsibility. Constantly lying will only harm yourself and your conscience in the end.

Yeah, I don't know man. I told that to them in meeting. No points in reducing the cost of cheap abilities and bow skill line abilities when that's not what stamDKs need. Sustain help should ideally come from ultimates again, as the class was intentionally designed to do.

I'll do my best to bring this to them once more, and hopefully they will listen.

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Another question for the development team: if mDK is gonna get a cost increase in the Flame Lash proc, to make it similar to Frags and Will, shouldn't in turn get a cost reduction in all the skills, or a cost redution passive, or at least a (consistent) resource recovery passive?

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

We have no cost reduction, resource increase or a skill like Dark Exchange or Siph Strikes, so imho the cost increase is not entirely justified.

Considering wee need to invest res to make the proc work, it seems fair.

I agree man. I really tried to emphasize the fact that mDKs really can't take another sustain nerf again. From what I've heard the development team is working on magDK sustain change, specially for PvP scenarios.

TrinityBreaker

Quantum_V wrote: »

Kronuxx wrote: »

@Quantum_V Thank you for trying to help us DK's out. There's only so much you can do when talking to a crumbling decrepit brick wall.

Please ask them, why nothing to help improve what little stam dk's have? Why not at least improve noxious breath hit box mechanics? I mean, Gina did post that they were aware of it in a previous class rep notes. Why gives us poison cost reduction for 2 already cheap poison abilities?

I just don't understand. What are they trying to do? Why are they making these changes? Do they even care? Or do they only make changes to the most popular classes, to keep the majority player base preoccupied?

Honestly, I'm almost positive they are persistent liars. They lie so that they can make money. They lie so they can avoid responsibility. Constantly lying will only harm yourself and your conscience in the end.

Yeah, I don't know man. I told that to them in meeting. No points in reducing the cost of cheap abilities and bow skill line abilities when that's not what stamDKs need. Sustain help should ideally come from ultimates again, as the class was intentionally designed to do.

I'll do my best to bring this to them once more, and hopefully they will listen.

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Another question for the development team: if mDK is gonna get a cost increase in the Flame Lash proc, to make it similar to Frags and Will, shouldn't in turn get a cost reduction in all the skills, or a cost redution passive, or at least a (consistent) resource recovery passive?

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

We have no cost reduction, resource increase or a skill like Dark Exchange or Siph Strikes, so imho the cost increase is not entirely justified.

Considering wee need to invest res to make the proc work, it seems fair.

I agree man. I really tried to emphasize the fact that mDKs really can't take another sustain nerf again. From what I've heard the development team is working on magDK sustain change, specially for PvP scenarios.

They are doing all the wrong things then in that regard.

IZZEFlameLash

Quantum_V wrote: »

Kronuxx wrote: »

@Quantum_V Thank you for trying to help us DK's out. There's only so much you can do when talking to a crumbling decrepit brick wall.

Please ask them, why nothing to help improve what little stam dk's have? Why not at least improve noxious breath hit box mechanics? I mean, Gina did post that they were aware of it in a previous class rep notes. Why gives us poison cost reduction for 2 already cheap poison abilities?

I just don't understand. What are they trying to do? Why are they making these changes? Do they even care? Or do they only make changes to the most popular classes, to keep the majority player base preoccupied?

Honestly, I'm almost positive they are persistent liars. They lie so that they can make money. They lie so they can avoid responsibility. Constantly lying will only harm yourself and your conscience in the end.

Yeah, I don't know man. I told that to them in meeting. No points in reducing the cost of cheap abilities and bow skill line abilities when that's not what stamDKs need. Sustain help should ideally come from ultimates again, as the class was intentionally designed to do.

I'll do my best to bring this to them once more, and hopefully they will listen.

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Another question for the development team: if mDK is gonna get a cost increase in the Flame Lash proc, to make it similar to Frags and Will, shouldn't in turn get a cost reduction in all the skills, or a cost redution passive, or at least a (consistent) resource recovery passive?

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

We have no cost reduction, resource increase or a skill like Dark Exchange or Siph Strikes, so imho the cost increase is not entirely justified.

Considering wee need to invest res to make the proc work, it seems fair.

I agree man. I really tried to emphasize the fact that mDKs really can't take another sustain nerf again. From what I've heard the development team is working on magDK sustain change, specially for PvP scenarios.

I bet their sustain change would entail "Battle Roar now returns 3% of the resources when ultimate is used" or some random crap that nobody thought they could find a new way to nerf DKs. I bet if we get cost reduction passive we will get like double the cost increase. I really am not holding out much hope anymore.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

I'm out of the loop at this point but I imagine stam builds are still flying around slapping bads for kills in 1-3 seconds. This will probably be ESO pvp until the game is done.

Yep.

Well, actually... it's worse. Tried heavy stamden meta-ish tonight. The amount of near effortless damage, ample resources and tankiness -- even for a novice is not quite what I wanted purple gear -- is astonishing. Comparing it to melee magicka is disheartening.

This is true. Same experience over here. Much less effort to play melee compared to magicka. Magicka DK resource management is a minigame of its own. Even faster staff heavy attack would be welcome at this point as sustain help.

Actually I like this idea very much. Would make them unique compared to others this way. Could maybe add this to molten armaments?

If only. But yeah lol.

Aki-Ral

Idiots destroying the class even further.
GG.

Savos_Saren

@Quantum_V

If ZOS is giving mDKs a cost increase in flame lash to bring us "on par" with Crystal Frags- are they going to give us a passive execute to bring us on par as well?

OrphanHelgen

Savos_Saren wrote: »

@Quantum_V

If ZOS is giving mDKs a cost increase in flame lash to bring us "on par" with Crystal Frags- are they going to give us a passive execute to bring us on par as well?

And 28 meter range
and better chance of proc XD

Xvorg

Savos_Saren wrote: »

@Quantum_V

If ZOS is giving mDKs a cost increase in flame lash to bring us "on par" with Crystal Frags- are they going to give us a passive execute to bring us on par as well?

Oh, good one.

Also, I wish a "lava movement" skill, just like T-1000 in that old movie (or if you prefer, just like Glacius move in KI)

MaxwellC

I remember when ZOS stated something about a massive class balance coming & here I hoped maybe some new skills for Stamina DK or passives that'll support us more but unfortunately that was early this year & as this year nears its ending Stam DK still lacks everything I laid out in the beginning of this year lol.

No good PvP Stam ability
No good pressure ability with multiple functions
passives still nerfed to cater to mag dk (even though it still sucks regardless)
no class AoE for Stam DK
no stam spam-able


The hiatus continues.

IZZEFlameLash

Xvorg wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

@Quantum_V

If ZOS is giving mDKs a cost increase in flame lash to bring us "on par" with Crystal Frags- are they going to give us a passive execute to bring us on par as well?

Oh, good one.

Also, I wish a "lava movement" skill, just like T-1000 in that old movie (or if you prefer, just like Glacius move in KI)

If it works like Mist Form... that'd be great. Oh and they better revert Power Lash changes. No one asked for it other than stun thing.

lucky_dutch

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

It is not just mDKs receiving this treatment tbf. All Mag classes are getting hit very hard. I have literally no idea how magsorcs are going to survive when targeted by a heavy armor class and Magblades just got every single one of their active PvP skills nerfed at once.

I'm guessing the Devs play heavy armor brawler classes?

Ocelot9x

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

It is not just mDKs receiving this treatment tbf. All Mag classes are getting hit very hard. I have literally no idea how magsorcs are going to survive when targeted by a heavy armor class and Magblades just got every single one of their active PvP skills nerfed at once.

I'm guessing the Devs play heavy armor brawler classes?

Heavy armor brawlers are getting the big nerf of this patch btw. L2read

Also,stamina dk still desperately need some form of group utility

SaintSubwayy

So I got 2 thing I think shoul dbe adressed based on DKs passives form the erthern heart skillline.

Mountains blessing passive should also grant minor sorcery to the caster and all nearby allies.
Small buff, which make the passive a bit better.

Helping hands, let it restore resources based on your max resource, IDK if i get 1k stamina on my magdk in PVE, however 1k magicka would feel amazing.

lucky_dutch

Ocelot9x wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

It is not just mDKs receiving this treatment tbf. All Mag classes are getting hit very hard. I have literally no idea how magsorcs are going to survive when targeted by a heavy armor class and Magblades just got every single one of their active PvP skills nerfed at once.

I'm guessing the Devs play heavy armor brawler classes?

Heavy armor brawlers are getting the big nerf of this patch btw. L2read

Also,stamina dk still desperately need some form of group utility

I can read but I also have some perspective. Brawlers got a little diddy nerf but it pales in comparison to the nerfs to light armor mag classes so whilst you may find yourself a little weakened, if your competition is even weaker still thats a net-buff.

Having said all that the main winners here are probably medium armor stamblades.

Ocelot9x

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

It is not just mDKs receiving this treatment tbf. All Mag classes are getting hit very hard. I have literally no idea how magsorcs are going to survive when targeted by a heavy armor class and Magblades just got every single one of their active PvP skills nerfed at once.

I'm guessing the Devs play heavy armor brawler classes?

Heavy armor brawlers are getting the big nerf of this patch btw. L2read

Also,stamina dk still desperately need some form of group utility

I can read but I also have some perspective. Brawlers got a little diddy nerf but it pales in comparison to the nerfs to light armor mag classes so whilst you may find yourself a little weakened, if your competition is even weaker still thats a net-buff.

Having said all that the main winners here are probably medium armor stamblades.

The winners are clearly HEAVY stamblades cause the insane mitigation they can get with major evasion and their kit being stronger vs medium users,but the nerf to expedition and roll dodge is huge for every other stamina class. Also I fail to see comparable nerfs to light armor (it even got buffed). Shielding change is a big thing if you play a shieldstacker sorc,other classes are don’t relie on shields bigger than 40% most of the time since they have access to healing

IZZEFlameLash

Ocelot9x wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

lucky_dutch wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

@Quantum_V

Because the only thing I see are nerfs and 0 compensation.

It is not just mDKs receiving this treatment tbf. All Mag classes are getting hit very hard. I have literally no idea how magsorcs are going to survive when targeted by a heavy armor class and Magblades just got every single one of their active PvP skills nerfed at once.

I'm guessing the Devs play heavy armor brawler classes?

Heavy armor brawlers are getting the big nerf of this patch btw. L2read

Also,stamina dk still desperately need some form of group utility

I can read but I also have some perspective. Brawlers got a little diddy nerf but it pales in comparison to the nerfs to light armor mag classes so whilst you may find yourself a little weakened, if your competition is even weaker still thats a net-buff.

Having said all that the main winners here are probably medium armor stamblades.

The winners are clearly HEAVY stamblades cause the insane mitigation they can get with major evasion and their kit being stronger vs medium users,but the nerf to expedition and roll dodge is huge for every other stamina class. Also I fail to see comparable nerfs to light armor (it even got buffed). Shielding change is a big thing if you play a shieldstacker sorc,other classes are don’t relie on shields bigger than 40% most of the time since they have access to healing

They don't really have a chance to use that mitigation when everyone dies. :^)