What do you use instead of Siroria?

Amorpho

I'm thinking about my Magsorc (PVE DPS). What would you use instead of Siroria? Siroria is great but not when you have to move around a lot. Do you still use Mechanical Acuity+Willpower+Asylum?

VoiDGhOs7

You can use Burning Spellweave and Mother's Sorrow with Apprentice Mundus with Skoria/Ilambris/Zaan with pros/cons based on type of Trial/Dungeon. Or you can go with the setup you've mentioned but not sure if the Asylum is worth over a full set. Acuity is not best anymore but its still good despite the nerf.

Marabornwingrion

I'm using mother's sorrow + master architect / bsw, until I'll get perfected siroria.

Runefang

Siroria is great* no caveats.

However if you were to drop it then yes MA+Willpower+Asylum is fine.

MA + front barred BSW is also good as long as you run force pulse still.

BSW + front barred Mother's Sorrow is also good, this means you can run Elemental Weapon as your spammable which makes sustain a lot easier.

Amorpho

Recently I have been playing with Scathing Mage. Why nobody uses it anymore? Is BSW better?

Runefang

Amorpho wrote: »

Recently I have been playing with Scathing Mage. Why nobody uses it anymore? Is BSW better?

Can't hit the required up times for it to out perform Julianos or BSW.

Amorpho

Runefang wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Recently I have been playing with Scathing Mage. Why nobody uses it anymore? Is BSW better?

Can't hit the required up times for it to out perform Julianos or BSW.

I just read the opposite about it on this post:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/344916/is-scathing-mage-a-viable-choise-in-morrowind-theorycrafting
According to it, BSW's uptime is only higher than Scathing Mage on a DK. It refers to Morrowind, but those sets have not been changed.

Also, I feel that the up-time should be quite high when coupled with Julianos since together bring crit chance to just over 50%

Apherius

Amorpho wrote: »

Recently I have been playing with Scathing Mage. Why nobody uses it anymore? Is BSW better?

I have arround 60% / 74% uptime with scathing mage. I believe it worth slotting over julianos only if you combine it with mother sorrow and force pulse.

Carbonised

I'm a magDK and not a sorc, but I find that BSW + Juli + Zaan is a great combo. It's pumping up that spell power to great levels.

Siroria would probably better than Juli in some marginal scenarios. The minor slayer only works in trials and dungeons, so for world bosses, PvP and other content, it's 0 benefit, and as you mention, it requires you to stand completely still for an extended time, which doesn't work in most new trial and dungeon content, and absolutely not in PvP.

So my BSW/Juli/Zaan setup works great in all the content I do on a daily basis, mostly world bosses and that daily BG match for the reward box, and even when doing trials or dungeons it's a very decent setup. The most flexible and easy I can think of, and with little or no drawbacks.

What_In_Tarnation

Been thinking use silk of the sun (5 armor)+ burning spellweave (3 jewelries + 1 front bar flame staff) + back bar maelstrom flame staff for my mag DK pve dps. And use thief stone to make up a little bit of spell crit.

Runefang

Carbonised wrote: »

I'm a magDK and not a sorc, but I find that BSW + Juli + Zaan is a great combo. It's pumping up that spell power to great levels.

Siroria would probably better than Juli in some marginal scenarios. The minor slayer only works in trials and dungeons, so for world bosses, PvP and other content, it's 0 benefit, and as you mention, it requires you to stand completely still for an extended time, which doesn't work in most new trial and dungeon content, and absolutely not in PvP.

So my BSW/Juli/Zaan setup works great in all the content I do on a daily basis, mostly world bosses and that daily BG match for the reward box, and even when doing trials or dungeons it's a very decent setup. The most flexible and easy I can think of, and with little or no drawbacks.

The scenarios in which Siroria works better aren't marginal. There are few trials and dungeons where you move so much and the mechanics are such that you can't stay in the circle for most of the fight. You just need to re-position back in the circle whenever you're forced to move but you get used to it.

vCR is definitely too hectic (for now at least) for it to be good, and I find it's not great in vMA either.

Amorpho wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Recently I have been playing with Scathing Mage. Why nobody uses it anymore? Is BSW better?

Can't hit the required up times for it to out perform Julianos or BSW.

I just read the opposite about it on this post:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/344916/is-scathing-mage-a-viable-choise-in-morrowind-theorycrafting
According to it, BSW's uptime is only higher than Scathing Mage on a DK. It refers to Morrowind, but those sets have not been changed.

Also, I feel that the up-time should be quite high when coupled with Julianos since together bring crit chance to just over 50%

All I know is the reality of what I tested, up times simply weren't high enough to warrant.

Granted I always run Siroria or Master's Architect on my body so the 2nd 5 piece set is front barred.

DanteYoda

Julianos.

Amorpho

Well, how about Scathing Mage with Mechanical Acuity? I bet the up-time in that case is much higher

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Amorpho wrote: »

Well, how about Scathing Mage with Mechanical Acuity? I bet the up-time in that case is much higher

Mechanical Acuity only makes sense now if you rely very much on direct damage.

Jaimeh

I still use IA/Necro/Ilambris on my pet magsorc, this build probably needs updating, but it works OK. If I won't use pets, then I swap Necropotence for Julianos. I haven't tried Siroria yet on my magsorc, but I have it on my magblade, and even in mobile fights I found uptime wasn't so bad. For instance, I don't use it in places like CR, but I forgot to change it on a normal CR+3 run, and I still got a 66% uptime, even going to do the downstairs portal and all, so it wasn't that bad.

MLGProPlayer

What's with the recent BSW love? Wasn't Julianos confirmed to be superior after BSW was nerfed? It gives you the same average spell damage with no proc condition.

CompM4s

I use moondancer right now, which is pretty solid for a magsorc in trials. Not best in vma but still easily clears it.

Amorpho

Let's focus the conversation a bit - Magsorc with CRUSHING SHOCK for VMA, NO PETS

CompM4s

Amorpho wrote: »

Let's focus the conversation a bit - Magsorc with CRUSHING SHOCK for VMA

Pet or no pets?

Amorpho

CompM4s wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Let's focus the conversation a bit - Magsorc with CRUSHING SHOCK for VMA NO PETS

Pet or no pets?

No pets, edited

TheDarkShadow

Acuity still work for magsorc if you're using force pulse with AS staff because force pulse count as 3 hits that can proc Acuity. But I think the problem with force pulse magsorc is the horrible sustain. For vMA why don't you use pet? In trial pet is a problem because they steal heal and buffs from players but in vMA and 4 man dungeon pets just make things so much easier.

Amorpho

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

Acuity still work for magsorc if you're using force pulse with AS staff because force pulse count as 3 hits that can proc Acuity. But I think the problem with force pulse magsorc is the horrible sustain. For vMA why don't you use pet? In trial pet is a problem because they steal heal and buffs from players but in vMA and 4 man dungeon pets just make things so much easier.

I know, I just hate that playstyle. That's why I don't run (or am I interested) in pets

POps75p

alcast.com has a decent option w/o S. take a look

MissBizz

Haven't brought my sorc into VMA for awhile.. but this would be what I'd try. Keep in mind I run crushing shock as it just seems too handy in there, haha.

Mech Ac / Julianos, asylum front, VMA back (if no VMA, just a random stave with a regen 2pc bonus)

orrrr maybe Julianos/BSW?

Kuramas9tails

DanteYoda wrote: »

Julianos.

Agree. I don't like Mothers Sorrow or Mechanical. I don't know. Personal preference.

Amorpho

POps75p wrote: »

alcast.com has a decent option w/o S. take a look

Alcast suggests Siroria+MA or Julianos+BSW, but I'm not so sure about BSW

Amorpho

MissBizz wrote: »

Haven't brought my sorc into VMA for awhile.. but this would be what I'd try. Keep in mind I run crushing shock as it just seems too handy in there, haha.

Mech Ac / Julianos, asylum front, VMA back (if no VMA, just a random stave with a regen 2pc bonus)

This would only work without 2 piece monster set, which I'm not very keen on.

Amorpho

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Julianos.

Agree. I don't like Mothers Sorrow or Mechanical. I don't know. Personal preference.

Yes, but what would you pair Julianos with?

idk

MA or Moondancer are both good choices instead of Siroria.

But I agree with OP that Siroria is a bad set to use for non craglorn trials. I have both on my sorc.

MissBizz

Amorpho wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Haven't brought my sorc into VMA for awhile.. but this would be what I'd try. Keep in mind I run crushing shock as it just seems too handy in there, haha.

Mech Ac / Julianos, asylum front, VMA back (if no VMA, just a random stave with a regen 2pc bonus)

This would only work without 2 piece monster set, which I'm not very keen on.

Okay.

Julianos, (3)Moondancer, asylum/vma, monster set. If no moondancer, IA or willpower.

code65536

Amorpho wrote: »

Let's focus the conversation a bit - Magsorc with CRUSHING SHOCK for VMA, NO PETS

This is what the competitive score-pushers run:

5p BSW (or Julianos or Acuity)
3p Willpower (or Moondancer)
2p Slimecraw
Asylum+vMA staves

For non-NBs, 2p Slimecraw is hands-down the best monster set for content where you don't get Combat Prayer (e.g., vMA or vAS).