[Class Rep] Werewolf Feedback Thread

Chrlynsch

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Imho the biggest flaw of ww, if I were to point 3.. or hell, only 1, biggest WW flaw, that would be:

1. Lack of Snare removal / immunity. Without it there is no way to use WW as devs described it:

"A fast paced thread that is a terrifying foe on the battlefield."

It is not fast. There is no way to play fast and move fast. You have to constantly spam CC-break in order to move at all...

If I were to point 2nd biggest flaw it would be:
2. Lack of negative effects removal. Without this, every dot or de-buff is basically either a death-sentence for you or means that you have no sustain / recover or dmg. Sure, you can out-heal the dmg, but it will burn through your resources, meaning that you basically have no sustain. As for the de-buffs (reducing dmg/crit/resistance) - there is nothing you can do.

If I were to point 3rd biggest flaw it would be:
3. Healing. WW healing is almost non-existent, since you have to build for magincka sustain on a stamina build. Basically - you have to hybridize - to have either larger magicka pool or magicka recovery. Also the heal is way to expensive for what it does.

"We're also aware of some Werewolf abilities feeling "bare" in nature"

Devs themselves have said it. WW skills should have more effects on them.

I can see a solution:
Hircine's Bounty - magicka burst heal
1 Morph - adds negative effect removal.
2 Morph - converts to stamina ability, and heal is converted to dot-heal (basically vigor for ww).

Pounce (they even mentioned it is bare lol):
This is the perfect "candidate" for a skill granting snare removal / immunity buff. I don't know if it should be added to base morph or the one of 2 morphs - but either way it would be unique, because in order to remove snare - you would have to play aggressive. You would have to deal dmg with this skill (it needs a target) for the snare removal to work. So risk - reward would still be there.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Seams like players are echoing the same feedback over and over.

<turn on sad emotional music>

Werewolves are growing fewer and fewer every day. But it isn't from lack of effort on their part or reduction of their natural habitat. Patch after patch of direct and indirect nerfs, standards are set and are not brought up to the very standards that are placed upon them (25% for 25%).

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Are you just going to let these beautiful majestic creatures fade into dust? Please heed the advice of players that walk this path. They know it and they know it well.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

<turn off sad emotional music>

ScardyFox

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

We've been at this for years - some of us as myself have been at this from the VERY start of the game. At some point are you going to take us serious? Are you going to take the people who break this down over and over again in great and small detail serious?

Nord_Raseri

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Imho the biggest flaw of ww, if I were to point 3.. or hell, only 1, biggest WW flaw, that would be:

1. Lack of Snare removal / immunity. Without it there is no way to use WW as devs described it:

"A fast paced thread that is a terrifying foe on the battlefield."

It is not fast. There is no way to play fast and move fast. You have to constantly spam CC-break in order to move at all...

If I were to point 2nd biggest flaw it would be:
2. Lack of negative effects removal. Without this, every dot or de-buff is basically either a death-sentence for you or means that you have no sustain / recover or dmg. Sure, you can out-heal the dmg, but it will burn through your resources, meaning that you basically have no sustain. As for the de-buffs (reducing dmg/crit/resistance) - there is nothing you can do.

If I were to point 3rd biggest flaw it would be:
3. Healing. WW healing is almost non-existent, since you have to build for magincka sustain on a stamina build. Basically - you have to hybridize - to have either larger magicka pool or magicka recovery. Also the heal is way to expensive for what it does.

"We're also aware of some Werewolf abilities feeling "bare" in nature"

Devs themselves have said it. WW skills should have more effects on them.

I can see a solution:
Hircine's Bounty - magicka burst heal
1 Morph - adds negative effect removal.
2 Morph - converts to stamina ability, and heal is converted to dot-heal (basically vigor for ww).

Pounce (they even mentioned it is bare lol):
This is the perfect "candidate" for a skill granting snare removal / immunity buff. I don't know if it should be added to base morph or the one of 2 morphs - but either way it would be unique, because in order to remove snare - you would have to play aggressive. You would have to deal dmg with this skill (it needs a target) for the snare removal to work. So risk - reward would still be there.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Seams like players are echoing the same feedback over and over.

<turn on sad emotional music>

Werewolves are growing fewer and fewer every day. But it isn't from lack of effort on their part or reduction of their natural habitat. Patch after patch of direct and indirect nerfs, standards are set and are not brought up to the very standards that are placed upon them (25% for 25%).

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Are you just going to let these beautiful majestic creatures fade into dust? Please heed the advice of players that walk this path. They know it and they know it well.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

<turn off sad emotional music>

^ Greatest post in this thread. Right in the feels. No wait, those were also nerfed.

Coppes

Jaraal wrote: »

perditioner wrote: »

You also missed that you lose access to any ultimate when transformed, and the ability to charge it.

Also increased damage taken from Fighters Guild skills and Prismatic Onslaught glyphs. Also no way to purge DOTs or remove snares.

Werewolfs don’t count as Undead or Daedra though (Prismatic Onslaught).

Qbiken

Coppes wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

perditioner wrote: »

You also missed that you lose access to any ultimate when transformed, and the ability to charge it.

Also increased damage taken from Fighters Guild skills and Prismatic Onslaught glyphs. Also no way to purge DOTs or remove snares.

Werewolfs don’t count as Undead or Daedra though (Prismatic Onslaught).

Ohh but they do.

Tommy_The_Gun

Coppes wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

perditioner wrote: »

You also missed that you lose access to any ultimate when transformed, and the ability to charge it.

Also increased damage taken from Fighters Guild skills and Prismatic Onslaught glyphs. Also no way to purge DOTs or remove snares.

Werewolfs don’t count as Undead or Daedra though (Prismatic Onslaught).

WW is daedric "curse" (Hircine). Eso WW itself is not a "daedra" - but since it is caused by daedra - therefore it counts.

Jaraal

Anybody have a death recap screenshot with Prismatic on it? I didn't save any.

Coppes

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Coppes wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

perditioner wrote: »

You also missed that you lose access to any ultimate when transformed, and the ability to charge it.

Also increased damage taken from Fighters Guild skills and Prismatic Onslaught glyphs. Also no way to purge DOTs or remove snares.

Werewolfs don’t count as Undead or Daedra though (Prismatic Onslaught).

WW is daedric "curse" (Hircine). Eso WW itself is not a "daedra" - but since it is caused by daedra - therefore it counts.

Then why do the Fighters Guild passives mention Undead, Daedra OR Werewolves.

Tommy_The_Gun

Coppes wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Coppes wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

perditioner wrote: »

You also missed that you lose access to any ultimate when transformed, and the ability to charge it.

Also increased damage taken from Fighters Guild skills and Prismatic Onslaught glyphs. Also no way to purge DOTs or remove snares.

Werewolfs don’t count as Undead or Daedra though (Prismatic Onslaught).

WW is daedric "curse" (Hircine). Eso WW itself is not a "daedra" - but since it is caused by daedra - therefore it counts.

Then why do the Fighters Guild passives mention Undead, Daedra OR Werewolves.

Idk. Maybe different person was writing the tooltip ? Or maybe because it is ZOS ? All I know is WWs take addition dmg from Prismatic Onslaught enchant.

Aznox

If the coffin needed any more nails, vampire will probably get one or two abilities that will be BiS for stamina builds too :


https://youtu.be/XDXATjYJXhg

Tommy_The_Gun

Aznox wrote: »

If the coffin needed any more nails, vampire will probably get one or two abilities that will be BiS for stamina builds too :

A toggle ? Wait. A TOGGLE ?! ?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUWKSYjpgQ

As for the logic behind it and who came up with it and what is their head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcV25N37-C4

Aznox

The sad thing is that this would have been a nice Werewolf ability (bar-space questions aside)

ScardyFox

Its turned into a game for them... to see how many times they can kick us in the nards before we drop to our knees permanently.

Skoomah

ZOS. Once again you fail.

Tommy_The_Gun

ScardyFox wrote: »

Its turned into a game for them... to see how many times they can kick us in the nards before we drop to our knees permanently.

But I thought that... I mean ZOS neutered them... it does not make sense...

ScardyFox

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

Its turned into a game for them... to see how many times they can kick us in the nards before we drop to our knees permanently.

But I thought that... I mean ZOS neutered them... it does not make sense...

The neutering doesn't come from clear cut surgical precision -- it comes from testicular trauma applied by frequent and savage kicks randomly applied. .

Jaraal

Aznox wrote: »

If the coffin needed any more nails, vampire will probably get one or two abilities that will be BiS for stamina builds too :

Lol, wear 2 heal proc sets and a monster heal proc set = perma blood frenzy.




And we can't even get a toggle pause on staying transformed! Looks like the typical ZOS overbuffing to sell new content, then pulling the rug out later when sales drop and nerfing the new meta into irrelevancy. Just like they did with us and Wolfhunter.

Thevampirenight

Good news everyone they have listened and they are indeed buffing the werewolf and if the changes I saw go live they will be in a much better place when Greymoor goes Live.

Werewolf right now with the pounce ability as it is on live.

Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.

Greymoor Pounce Ability.
When you do it and then do it again within the next five seconds pounce will do this it will cast Carnage.
The Second cast will add a bleed effect dealing damage for ten seconds and then do 400% More damage to enemies below 100% Health by the looks of it.

Hircines Bounty- Right now it just does this Invoke the Huntsman's blessing, healing you for 45% of your Max Health.unmorphed.
Greymoor Hircines Bounty will heal up to 10k health. While Slotted gain major brutality Increasing your weapons damage by 20 percent. This is as long as its on your bar you get a slotted major brutality.


Roar right now Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.
Greymoor- Roar will set enemies off balance for seven seconds along with fearing them.
When slotted grants major savagery increasing your weapons critical rating by 2100 something.
Peircing Howl Deals Crush enemy with a deafening howl, dealing 1139 Physical Damage Currently.
Greymoor its getting increased to 7k and while enemies are facing you it does 10% more damage.

The last one I couldn't see but it safe to assume that is getting buffed as well.

Chrlynsch

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Good news everyone they have listened and they are indeed buffing the werewolf and if the changes I saw go live they will be in a much better place when Greymoor goes Live.

Werewolf right now with the pounce ability as it is on live.

Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.

Greymoor Pounce Ability.
When you do it and then do it again within the next five seconds pounce will do this it will cast Carnage.
The Second cast will add a bleed effect dealing damage for ten seconds and then do 400% More damage to enemies below 100% Health by the looks of it.

Hircines Bounty- Right now it just does this Invoke the Huntsman's blessing, healing you for 45% of your Max Health.unmorphed.
Greymoor Hircines Bounty will heal up to 10k health. While Slotted gain major brutality Increasing your weapons damage by 20 percent. This is as long as its on your bar you get a slotted major brutality.


Roar right now Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.
Greymoor- Roar will set enemies off balance for seven seconds along with fearing them.
When slotted grants major savagery increasing your weapons critical rating by 2100 something.
Peircing Howl Deals Crush enemy with a deafening howl, dealing 1139 Physical Damage Currently.
Greymoor its getting increased to 7k and while enemies are facing you it does 10% more damage.

The last one I couldn't see but it safe to assume that is getting buffed as well.

You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention. Got a link?

Ishkaral

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Good news everyone they have listened and they are indeed buffing the werewolf and if the changes I saw go live they will be in a much better place when Greymoor goes Live.

Werewolf right now with the pounce ability as it is on live.

Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.

Greymoor Pounce Ability.
When you do it and then do it again within the next five seconds pounce will do this it will cast Carnage.
The Second cast will add a bleed effect dealing damage for ten seconds and then do 400% More damage to enemies below 100% Health by the looks of it.

Hircines Bounty- Right now it just does this Invoke the Huntsman's blessing, healing you for 45% of your Max Health.unmorphed.
Greymoor Hircines Bounty will heal up to 10k health. While Slotted gain major brutality Increasing your weapons damage by 20 percent. This is as long as its on your bar you get a slotted major brutality.


Roar right now Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.
Greymoor- Roar will set enemies off balance for seven seconds along with fearing them.
When slotted grants major savagery increasing your weapons critical rating by 2100 something.
Peircing Howl Deals Crush enemy with a deafening howl, dealing 1139 Physical Damage Currently.
Greymoor its getting increased to 7k and while enemies are facing you it does 10% more damage.

The last one I couldn't see but it safe to assume that is getting buffed as well.

If this is true it would be cool. Hope it will be able to help breaking the DPS ceiling curse of werewolf.

santhoranb16_ESO

We'll see and wait what the new transformation will be and if there are changes to the downsides, might it wont be so restrictive with transform but if, then will be for sure a new downside like for vampires "cost increase".

But overall i'm glad that maybe the Werewolves will be on a chance again to be playable if you build for 'em.

Chrlynsch

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Good news everyone they have listened and they are indeed buffing the werewolf and if the changes I saw go live they will be in a much better place when Greymoor goes Live.

Werewolf right now with the pounce ability as it is on live.

Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.

Greymoor Pounce Ability.
When you do it and then do it again within the next five seconds pounce will do this it will cast Carnage.
The Second cast will add a bleed effect dealing damage for ten seconds and then do 400% More damage to enemies below 100% Health by the looks of it.

Hircines Bounty- Right now it just does this Invoke the Huntsman's blessing, healing you for 45% of your Max Health.unmorphed.
Greymoor Hircines Bounty will heal up to 10k health. While Slotted gain major brutality Increasing your weapons damage by 20 percent. This is as long as its on your bar you get a slotted major brutality.


Roar right now Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.
Greymoor- Roar will set enemies off balance for seven seconds along with fearing them.
When slotted grants major savagery increasing your weapons critical rating by 2100 something.
Peircing Howl Deals Crush enemy with a deafening howl, dealing 1139 Physical Damage Currently.
Greymoor its getting increased to 7k and while enemies are facing you it does 10% more damage.

The last one I couldn't see but it safe to assume that is getting buffed as well.

https://youtu.be/TUIKGkENMK0

Here is the video he mentioned with the skill line 7:40.

Ishkaral

Annnd now werewolf became criminal act like what they said in live

Chrlynsch

Ishkaral wrote: »

Annnd now werewolf became criminal act like what they said in live

You can see the changes vampnight mentioned as well on the highlighted base abilities. We could end up seeing some really interesting Morphs.

Chrlynsch

Ishkaral

Hopefully there will be someone make a full review of our skill line

Tommy_The_Gun

As long as WW wont get snare removal and CC immunity buff it will be still close to impossible to play.

Thevampirenight

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Good news everyone they have listened and they are indeed buffing the werewolf and if the changes I saw go live they will be in a much better place when Greymoor goes Live.

Werewolf right now with the pounce ability as it is on live.

Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.

Greymoor Pounce Ability.
When you do it and then do it again within the next five seconds pounce will do this it will cast Carnage.
The Second cast will add a bleed effect dealing damage for ten seconds and then do 400% More damage to enemies below 100% Health by the looks of it.

Hircines Bounty- Right now it just does this Invoke the Huntsman's blessing, healing you for 45% of your Max Health.unmorphed.
Greymoor Hircines Bounty will heal up to 10k health. While Slotted gain major brutality Increasing your weapons damage by 20 percent. This is as long as its on your bar you get a slotted major brutality.


Roar right now Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 4 seconds.
Greymoor- Roar will set enemies off balance for seven seconds along with fearing them.
When slotted grants major savagery increasing your weapons critical rating by 2100 something.
Peircing Howl Deals Crush enemy with a deafening howl, dealing 1139 Physical Damage Currently.
Greymoor its getting increased to 7k and while enemies are facing you it does 10% more damage.

The last one I couldn't see but it safe to assume that is getting buffed as well.

https://youtu.be/TUIKGkENMK0

Here is the video he mentioned with the skill line 7:40.

Yeah that is the video where I noticed the changes. It seems they are making it better but the justice system might be more punishing with them as a result.

ScardyFox

So, is there actual verification? If so I would re-order the game because I cancelled mine.

Thevampirenight

ScardyFox wrote: »

So, is there actual verification? If so I would re-order the game because I cancelled mine.

The Video shows it and you can compare it to the stats of the life werewolf those are official but likely not fully adjusted yet stats.
They just didn't give us that information. Since its a older version of the preview they gave players to test.