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  • DuskMarine
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    BohnT wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    Hawco10 wrote: »
    Would have been better to have an election. That way the player base could have selected the players they want to represent them. Each candidate could have had their own campaign thread etc. like most people , I’ve never heard of any of these guys apart from the YouTube guy Alcast.

    The reps kind of got elected. The first criteria to even get considered was based on the amount of mails ZoS got from players. So everyone had the opportunity to nominate his preferred players as reps and thos with more nominations were considered. Afterwards it also depended on forum work everyone did, what reputation each of those nominated players had, etc.

    i think what alot of people honestly are mad about is you had the three main guys who actually knew the game to the litteral smallest integer(alcast, gilliamtherogue, and woeller) and only one of them even got pulled when all 3 shouldve been pulled in. granted yea one of them is litterally hired by zenimax in the litteral since. but it would have alot of people alot less skeptical.

    So just because some of us reps dont make daily videos means we have no clue or arent able to know as much as those three guys? If i look at woelers videos, I only see his understanding of tanking, since his videos are mostly updates on his trial tank builds and some tipps about tanking. I bet that Liofa has the same insight about tanking as woeler, he also makes guides and builds every update here on the forum. I myself dont even know, if woelers knowledge exceeds trials mechanics and what is best for tanking. I havent seen pvp videos with him, nor any healer or damage dealer videos. Maybe his knowledge is far bigger than that, but the exact same thing counts for any of us reps.

    Btw why should people get mad about something like that? Gilliam is hired by ZoS now and therefore cant be part of the programm. Other players like Cinbri did not want to be part. Are you mad that people did not want to be part?

    The only problem i see here is that people did nominate players, but they didnt get elected. ZoS had to take a lot into consideration when electing the reps. If only numbers of nominations or fame would count, me and other reps surely wouldnt be elected, but it would have caused uproar in here. There are more famous people than me, but mostly around those famous people also a lot of drama is happening. ZoS really took that and more criteria into consideration. If you are mad, because the people you expected didnt got electrd, then this is just...lets call it stupid. People get elected everywhere in politics, in sports, etc. And if you get mad by all that, then the problem is not the actual reps, but you yourself, since you cant accept what others decided.
    It is not that important who got elected or nominated. It is important if the work is done. People like woeler and cimbri maybe didnt want to do the work connected to the reps. You guys should just be happy, that we are elected, because we want to do that work. Therefore any complain about the electing of the reps is just prejudice and ignorance, because you dont know how much knowledge each of us have and what work we are willing to do for you guys.

    its just a reputation thing

    No it's not.
    At least one of them has a questionable reputation for many players on his server but he has knowledge that's why he made it into the program.


    Not only that, but certain reps seem openly hostile when answering critiques...

    At any rate, I'm wondering if people will indirectly blame the reps if this doesn't turn out satisfactory. I've seen it happen before in other games

    yep the more hostile the replies the only worse a backlash bomb is gonna be on them for it if it goes wrong.
    Edited by DuskMarine on June 27, 2018 2:23AM
  • Masel
    Masel
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    BohnT wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    Hawco10 wrote: »
    Would have been better to have an election. That way the player base could have selected the players they want to represent them. Each candidate could have had their own campaign thread etc. like most people , I’ve never heard of any of these guys apart from the YouTube guy Alcast.

    The reps kind of got elected. The first criteria to even get considered was based on the amount of mails ZoS got from players. So everyone had the opportunity to nominate his preferred players as reps and thos with more nominations were considered. Afterwards it also depended on forum work everyone did, what reputation each of those nominated players had, etc.

    i think what alot of people honestly are mad about is you had the three main guys who actually knew the game to the litteral smallest integer(alcast, gilliamtherogue, and woeller) and only one of them even got pulled when all 3 shouldve been pulled in. granted yea one of them is litterally hired by zenimax in the litteral since. but it would have alot of people alot less skeptical.

    So just because some of us reps dont make daily videos means we have no clue or arent able to know as much as those three guys? If i look at woelers videos, I only see his understanding of tanking, since his videos are mostly updates on his trial tank builds and some tipps about tanking. I bet that Liofa has the same insight about tanking as woeler, he also makes guides and builds every update here on the forum. I myself dont even know, if woelers knowledge exceeds trials mechanics and what is best for tanking. I havent seen pvp videos with him, nor any healer or damage dealer videos. Maybe his knowledge is far bigger than that, but the exact same thing counts for any of us reps.

    Btw why should people get mad about something like that? Gilliam is hired by ZoS now and therefore cant be part of the programm. Other players like Cinbri did not want to be part. Are you mad that people did not want to be part?

    The only problem i see here is that people did nominate players, but they didnt get elected. ZoS had to take a lot into consideration when electing the reps. If only numbers of nominations or fame would count, me and other reps surely wouldnt be elected, but it would have caused uproar in here. There are more famous people than me, but mostly around those famous people also a lot of drama is happening. ZoS really took that and more criteria into consideration. If you are mad, because the people you expected didnt got electrd, then this is just...lets call it stupid. People get elected everywhere in politics, in sports, etc. And if you get mad by all that, then the problem is not the actual reps, but you yourself, since you cant accept what others decided.
    It is not that important who got elected or nominated. It is important if the work is done. People like woeler and cimbri maybe didnt want to do the work connected to the reps. You guys should just be happy, that we are elected, because we want to do that work. Therefore any complain about the electing of the reps is just prejudice and ignorance, because you dont know how much knowledge each of us have and what work we are willing to do for you guys.

    its just a reputation thing

    No it's not.
    At least one of them has a questionable reputation for many players on his server but he has knowledge that's why he made it into the program.


    Not only that, but certain reps seem openly hostile when answering critiques...

    At any rate, I'm wondering if people will indirectly blame the reps if this doesn't turn out satisfactory. I've seen it happen before in other games

    If you knew what we have to deal with since we took the "job", then you'd understand. I've been personally assaulted, insulted to the worst I've seen in my life for no reason at all. I can deal with that no problem, but if I read some comments here, they ate actually worse.

    I mean there's people who assume that we know less about the game because we don't stream daily. I know the game to the core, I know basically every little tiny formula that is behind mechanics and damage calculation. And people thinking that streamers are "smarter" just because they share everything they do is a big issue.

    I mean if these players claim "this set is bis", then players blindly pay 500k for weapons of that set. It is currently happening with mother's sorrow, it is only better than julianos (a crafted set) by at maximum 1% under ideal conditions with 100% warhorn uptime on a nightblade and templar. On any other scenario, it does the same damage as julianos, burning spellweave, destruction mastery. Still, players don't reflect on whether the price is justified and instead blindly buy and follow everything that these players say.

    What I'm saying is that people should stop assuming things about us and instead be constructive and make up their own minds. Make your own builds, test, learn more about the game because then the feedback we can give to the devs will become a lot better.
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  • Cadbury
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    Cadbury wrote: »
    BohnT wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    Hawco10 wrote: »
    Would have been better to have an election. That way the player base could have selected the players they want to represent them. Each candidate could have had their own campaign thread etc. like most people , I’ve never heard of any of these guys apart from the YouTube guy Alcast.

    The reps kind of got elected. The first criteria to even get considered was based on the amount of mails ZoS got from players. So everyone had the opportunity to nominate his preferred players as reps and thos with more nominations were considered. Afterwards it also depended on forum work everyone did, what reputation each of those nominated players had, etc.

    i think what alot of people honestly are mad about is you had the three main guys who actually knew the game to the litteral smallest integer(alcast, gilliamtherogue, and woeller) and only one of them even got pulled when all 3 shouldve been pulled in. granted yea one of them is litterally hired by zenimax in the litteral since. but it would have alot of people alot less skeptical.

    So just because some of us reps dont make daily videos means we have no clue or arent able to know as much as those three guys? If i look at woelers videos, I only see his understanding of tanking, since his videos are mostly updates on his trial tank builds and some tipps about tanking. I bet that Liofa has the same insight about tanking as woeler, he also makes guides and builds every update here on the forum. I myself dont even know, if woelers knowledge exceeds trials mechanics and what is best for tanking. I havent seen pvp videos with him, nor any healer or damage dealer videos. Maybe his knowledge is far bigger than that, but the exact same thing counts for any of us reps.

    Btw why should people get mad about something like that? Gilliam is hired by ZoS now and therefore cant be part of the programm. Other players like Cinbri did not want to be part. Are you mad that people did not want to be part?

    The only problem i see here is that people did nominate players, but they didnt get elected. ZoS had to take a lot into consideration when electing the reps. If only numbers of nominations or fame would count, me and other reps surely wouldnt be elected, but it would have caused uproar in here. There are more famous people than me, but mostly around those famous people also a lot of drama is happening. ZoS really took that and more criteria into consideration. If you are mad, because the people you expected didnt got electrd, then this is just...lets call it stupid. People get elected everywhere in politics, in sports, etc. And if you get mad by all that, then the problem is not the actual reps, but you yourself, since you cant accept what others decided.
    It is not that important who got elected or nominated. It is important if the work is done. People like woeler and cimbri maybe didnt want to do the work connected to the reps. You guys should just be happy, that we are elected, because we want to do that work. Therefore any complain about the electing of the reps is just prejudice and ignorance, because you dont know how much knowledge each of us have and what work we are willing to do for you guys.

    its just a reputation thing

    No it's not.
    At least one of them has a questionable reputation for many players on his server but he has knowledge that's why he made it into the program.


    Not only that, but certain reps seem openly hostile when answering critiques...

    At any rate, I'm wondering if people will indirectly blame the reps if this doesn't turn out satisfactory. I've seen it happen before in other games

    If you knew what we have to deal with since we took the "job", then you'd understand. I've been personally assaulted, insulted to the worst I've seen in my life for no reason at all. I can deal with that no problem, but if I read some comments here, they ate actually worse.

    I mean there's people who assume that we know less about the game because we don't stream daily. I know the game to the core, I know basically every little tiny formula that is behind mechanics and damage calculation. And people thinking that streamers are "smarter" just because they share everything they do is a big issue.

    I mean if these players claim "this set is bis", then players blindly pay 500k for weapons of that set. It is currently happening with mother's sorrow, it is only better than julianos (a crafted set) by at maximum 1% under ideal conditions with 100% warhorn uptime on a nightblade and templar. On any other scenario, it does the same damage as julianos, burning spellweave, destruction mastery. Still, players don't reflect on whether the price is justified and instead blindly buy and follow everything that these players say.

    What I'm saying is that people should stop assuming things about us and instead be constructive and make up their own minds. Make your own builds, test, learn more about the game because then the feedback we can give to the devs will become a lot better.

    With all due respect, it should have been blatantly obvious this was going to happen to anyone signing up for the program. The forum is already hostile enough when the "meta" gets shifted even slightly, so anyone taking on the role of class rep was going to face scrutiny and criticism right from the start.

    As for streamers, well thats always been the case. Look on any popular MMO, there are plenty of players willing to follow the next best thing just because someone on YouTube/Twitch said it was the "bis". It even happens in real life with celebrities. It's difficult for humans to break away from a herd mentality, so I don't see this changing anytime soon.
    Edited by Cadbury on June 27, 2018 9:28AM
    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • Joy_Division
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    Masel92 wrote: »
    Cadbury wrote: »
    BohnT wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    Hawco10 wrote: »
    Would have been better to have an election. That way the player base could have selected the players they want to represent them. Each candidate could have had their own campaign thread etc. like most people , I’ve never heard of any of these guys apart from the YouTube guy Alcast.

    The reps kind of got elected. The first criteria to even get considered was based on the amount of mails ZoS got from players. So everyone had the opportunity to nominate his preferred players as reps and thos with more nominations were considered. Afterwards it also depended on forum work everyone did, what reputation each of those nominated players had, etc.

    i think what alot of people honestly are mad about is you had the three main guys who actually knew the game to the litteral smallest integer(alcast, gilliamtherogue, and woeller) and only one of them even got pulled when all 3 shouldve been pulled in. granted yea one of them is litterally hired by zenimax in the litteral since. but it would have alot of people alot less skeptical.

    So just because some of us reps dont make daily videos means we have no clue or arent able to know as much as those three guys? If i look at woelers videos, I only see his understanding of tanking, since his videos are mostly updates on his trial tank builds and some tipps about tanking. I bet that Liofa has the same insight about tanking as woeler, he also makes guides and builds every update here on the forum. I myself dont even know, if woelers knowledge exceeds trials mechanics and what is best for tanking. I havent seen pvp videos with him, nor any healer or damage dealer videos. Maybe his knowledge is far bigger than that, but the exact same thing counts for any of us reps.

    Btw why should people get mad about something like that? Gilliam is hired by ZoS now and therefore cant be part of the programm. Other players like Cinbri did not want to be part. Are you mad that people did not want to be part?

    The only problem i see here is that people did nominate players, but they didnt get elected. ZoS had to take a lot into consideration when electing the reps. If only numbers of nominations or fame would count, me and other reps surely wouldnt be elected, but it would have caused uproar in here. There are more famous people than me, but mostly around those famous people also a lot of drama is happening. ZoS really took that and more criteria into consideration. If you are mad, because the people you expected didnt got electrd, then this is just...lets call it stupid. People get elected everywhere in politics, in sports, etc. And if you get mad by all that, then the problem is not the actual reps, but you yourself, since you cant accept what others decided.
    It is not that important who got elected or nominated. It is important if the work is done. People like woeler and cimbri maybe didnt want to do the work connected to the reps. You guys should just be happy, that we are elected, because we want to do that work. Therefore any complain about the electing of the reps is just prejudice and ignorance, because you dont know how much knowledge each of us have and what work we are willing to do for you guys.

    its just a reputation thing

    No it's not.
    At least one of them has a questionable reputation for many players on his server but he has knowledge that's why he made it into the program.


    Not only that, but certain reps seem openly hostile when answering critiques...

    At any rate, I'm wondering if people will indirectly blame the reps if this doesn't turn out satisfactory. I've seen it happen before in other games

    If you knew what we have to deal with since we took the "job", then you'd understand. I've been personally assaulted, insulted to the worst I've seen in my life for no reason at all. I can deal with that no problem, but if I read some comments here, they ate actually worse.

    I mean there's people who assume that we know less about the game because we don't stream daily. I know the game to the core, I know basically every little tiny formula that is behind mechanics and damage calculation. And people thinking that streamers are "smarter" just because they share everything they do is a big issue.

    I mean if these players claim "this set is bis", then players blindly pay 500k for weapons of that set. It is currently happening with mother's sorrow, it is only better than julianos (a crafted set) by at maximum 1% under ideal conditions with 100% warhorn uptime on a nightblade and templar. On any other scenario, it does the same damage as julianos, burning spellweave, destruction mastery. Still, players don't reflect on whether the price is justified and instead blindly buy and follow everything that these players say.

    What I'm saying is that people should stop assuming things about us and instead be constructive and make up their own minds. Make your own builds, test, learn more about the game because then the feedback we can give to the devs will become a lot better.

    With all due respect, it should have been blatantly obvious this was going to happen to anyone signing up for the program. The forum is already hostile enough when the "meta" gets shifted even slightly, so anyone taking on the role of class rep was going to face scrutiny and criticism right from the start.

    As for streamers, well thats always been the case. Look on any popular MMO, there are plenty of players willing to follow the next best thing just because someone on YouTube/Twitch said it was the "bis". It even happens in real life with celebrities. It's difficult for humans to break away from a herd mentality, so I don't see this changing anytime soon.

    Did I expect people to be jerks because they have the anonymity to hide behind their computers and be jerks because there are no repercussions? Yeah, I was under no illusions.

    Does that or the history of negativity of the Forums or somehow excuse their behavior or make them less jerky? Absolutely not. No excuses.

    Offering the things you talk about: scrutiny and criticism, is fine and, quite frankly, needed. But it can be done without exhibiting such blatant hostility.
    Edited by Joy_Division on June 27, 2018 2:16PM
  • DuskMarine
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    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Cadbury wrote: »
    Masel92 wrote: »
    Cadbury wrote: »
    BohnT wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    Hawco10 wrote: »
    Would have been better to have an election. That way the player base could have selected the players they want to represent them. Each candidate could have had their own campaign thread etc. like most people , I’ve never heard of any of these guys apart from the YouTube guy Alcast.

    The reps kind of got elected. The first criteria to even get considered was based on the amount of mails ZoS got from players. So everyone had the opportunity to nominate his preferred players as reps and thos with more nominations were considered. Afterwards it also depended on forum work everyone did, what reputation each of those nominated players had, etc.

    i think what alot of people honestly are mad about is you had the three main guys who actually knew the game to the litteral smallest integer(alcast, gilliamtherogue, and woeller) and only one of them even got pulled when all 3 shouldve been pulled in. granted yea one of them is litterally hired by zenimax in the litteral since. but it would have alot of people alot less skeptical.

    So just because some of us reps dont make daily videos means we have no clue or arent able to know as much as those three guys? If i look at woelers videos, I only see his understanding of tanking, since his videos are mostly updates on his trial tank builds and some tipps about tanking. I bet that Liofa has the same insight about tanking as woeler, he also makes guides and builds every update here on the forum. I myself dont even know, if woelers knowledge exceeds trials mechanics and what is best for tanking. I havent seen pvp videos with him, nor any healer or damage dealer videos. Maybe his knowledge is far bigger than that, but the exact same thing counts for any of us reps.

    Btw why should people get mad about something like that? Gilliam is hired by ZoS now and therefore cant be part of the programm. Other players like Cinbri did not want to be part. Are you mad that people did not want to be part?

    The only problem i see here is that people did nominate players, but they didnt get elected. ZoS had to take a lot into consideration when electing the reps. If only numbers of nominations or fame would count, me and other reps surely wouldnt be elected, but it would have caused uproar in here. There are more famous people than me, but mostly around those famous people also a lot of drama is happening. ZoS really took that and more criteria into consideration. If you are mad, because the people you expected didnt got electrd, then this is just...lets call it stupid. People get elected everywhere in politics, in sports, etc. And if you get mad by all that, then the problem is not the actual reps, but you yourself, since you cant accept what others decided.
    It is not that important who got elected or nominated. It is important if the work is done. People like woeler and cimbri maybe didnt want to do the work connected to the reps. You guys should just be happy, that we are elected, because we want to do that work. Therefore any complain about the electing of the reps is just prejudice and ignorance, because you dont know how much knowledge each of us have and what work we are willing to do for you guys.

    its just a reputation thing

    No it's not.
    At least one of them has a questionable reputation for many players on his server but he has knowledge that's why he made it into the program.


    Not only that, but certain reps seem openly hostile when answering critiques...

    At any rate, I'm wondering if people will indirectly blame the reps if this doesn't turn out satisfactory. I've seen it happen before in other games

    If you knew what we have to deal with since we took the "job", then you'd understand. I've been personally assaulted, insulted to the worst I've seen in my life for no reason at all. I can deal with that no problem, but if I read some comments here, they ate actually worse.

    I mean there's people who assume that we know less about the game because we don't stream daily. I know the game to the core, I know basically every little tiny formula that is behind mechanics and damage calculation. And people thinking that streamers are "smarter" just because they share everything they do is a big issue.

    I mean if these players claim "this set is bis", then players blindly pay 500k for weapons of that set. It is currently happening with mother's sorrow, it is only better than julianos (a crafted set) by at maximum 1% under ideal conditions with 100% warhorn uptime on a nightblade and templar. On any other scenario, it does the same damage as julianos, burning spellweave, destruction mastery. Still, players don't reflect on whether the price is justified and instead blindly buy and follow everything that these players say.

    What I'm saying is that people should stop assuming things about us and instead be constructive and make up their own minds. Make your own builds, test, learn more about the game because then the feedback we can give to the devs will become a lot better.

    With all due respect, it should have been blatantly obvious this was going to happen to anyone signing up for the program. The forum is already hostile enough when the "meta" gets shifted even slightly, so anyone taking on the role of class rep was going to face scrutiny and criticism right from the start.

    As for streamers, well thats always been the case. Look on any popular MMO, there are plenty of players willing to follow the next best thing just because someone on YouTube/Twitch said it was the "bis". It even happens in real life with celebrities. It's difficult for humans to break away from a herd mentality, so I don't see this changing anytime soon.

    Did I expect people to be jerks because they have the anonymity to hide behind their computers and be jerks because there are no repercussions? Yeah, I was under no illusions.

    Does that or the history of negativity of the Forums or somehow excuse their behavior or make them less jerky? Absolutely not. No excuses.

    Offering the things you talk about: scrutiny and criticism, is fine and, quite frankly, needed. But it can be done without exhibiting such blatant hostility.

    i never mean to be a jerk i just post on the fact that i know only one guy that ive built a trust system with seeing how he plays. the rest of yall yea i dont know so its hard to trust yall but. alot of people are still holding issue over they chose to do this when weve already had a whole post dedicated to this filled to the top with pain points that felt like it was blantantly ignored. i think alot of people are still very mad about that as well. but in any game theres gonna be backlash for alot of things. its just what is zenimax gonna do to make people feel better about the situation at hand. and besides anything yall do wont even be any good anyhow regardless because the games so buggy right now its kindve dumb.
    Edited by DuskMarine on June 27, 2018 3:57PM
  • Woeler
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    Checkmath wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    Hawco10 wrote: »
    Would have been better to have an election. That way the player base could have selected the players they want to represent them. Each candidate could have had their own campaign thread etc. like most people , I’ve never heard of any of these guys apart from the YouTube guy Alcast.

    The reps kind of got elected. The first criteria to even get considered was based on the amount of mails ZoS got from players. So everyone had the opportunity to nominate his preferred players as reps and thos with more nominations were considered. Afterwards it also depended on forum work everyone did, what reputation each of those nominated players had, etc.

    i think what alot of people honestly are mad about is you had the three main guys who actually knew the game to the litteral smallest integer(alcast, gilliamtherogue, and woeller) and only one of them even got pulled when all 3 shouldve been pulled in. granted yea one of them is litterally hired by zenimax in the litteral since. but it would have alot of people alot less skeptical.

    So just because some of us reps dont make daily videos means we have no clue or arent able to know as much as those three guys? If i look at woelers videos, I only see his understanding of tanking, since his videos are mostly updates on his trial tank builds and some tipps about tanking. I bet that Liofa has the same insight about tanking as woeler, he also makes guides and builds every update here on the forum. I myself dont even know, if woelers knowledge exceeds trials mechanics and what is best for tanking. I havent seen pvp videos with him, nor any healer or damage dealer videos. Maybe his knowledge is far bigger than that, but the exact same thing counts for any of us reps.

    Btw why should people get mad about something like that? Gilliam is hired by ZoS now and therefore cant be part of the programm. Other players like Cinbri did not want to be part. Are you mad that people did not want to be part?

    The only problem i see here is that people did nominate players, but they didnt get elected. ZoS had to take a lot into consideration when electing the reps. If only numbers of nominations or fame would count, me and other reps surely wouldnt be elected, but it would have caused uproar in here. There are more famous people than me, but mostly around those famous people also a lot of drama is happening. ZoS really took that and more criteria into consideration. If you are mad, because the people you expected didnt got electrd, then this is just...lets call it stupid. People get elected everywhere in politics, in sports, etc. And if you get mad by all that, then the problem is not the actual reps, but you yourself, since you cant accept what others decided.
    It is not that important who got elected or nominated. It is important if the work is done. People like woeler and cimbri maybe didnt want to do the work connected to the reps. You guys should just be happy, that we are elected, because we want to do that work. Therefore any complain about the electing of the reps is just prejudice and ignorance, because you dont know how much knowledge each of us have and what work we are willing to do for you guys.

    Guys, please just leave me out of this. I don’t want anything to do with this. I don’t know you, you don’t know me. No need to publicly question my abilities to make a point for yourself. Not really a decent trait, is it? I do my thing, and you do yours. I am just going to stay far, far away from this whole thing, and I’d like to stay there.

    Thank you.
    Edited by Woeler on June 30, 2018 5:24AM
  • Banana
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    Cadbury wrote: »
    BohnT wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    DuskMarine wrote: »
    Checkmath wrote: »
    Hawco10 wrote: »
    Would have been better to have an election. That way the player base could have selected the players they want to represent them. Each candidate could have had their own campaign thread etc. like most people , I’ve never heard of any of these guys apart from the YouTube guy Alcast.

    The reps kind of got elected. The first criteria to even get considered was based on the amount of mails ZoS got from players. So everyone had the opportunity to nominate his preferred players as reps and thos with more nominations were considered. Afterwards it also depended on forum work everyone did, what reputation each of those nominated players had, etc.

    i think what alot of people honestly are mad about is you had the three main guys who actually knew the game to the litteral smallest integer(alcast, gilliamtherogue, and woeller) and only one of them even got pulled when all 3 shouldve been pulled in. granted yea one of them is litterally hired by zenimax in the litteral since. but it would have alot of people alot less skeptical.

    So just because some of us reps dont make daily videos means we have no clue or arent able to know as much as those three guys? If i look at woelers videos, I only see his understanding of tanking, since his videos are mostly updates on his trial tank builds and some tipps about tanking. I bet that Liofa has the same insight about tanking as woeler, he also makes guides and builds every update here on the forum. I myself dont even know, if woelers knowledge exceeds trials mechanics and what is best for tanking. I havent seen pvp videos with him, nor any healer or damage dealer videos. Maybe his knowledge is far bigger than that, but the exact same thing counts for any of us reps.

    Btw why should people get mad about something like that? Gilliam is hired by ZoS now and therefore cant be part of the programm. Other players like Cinbri did not want to be part. Are you mad that people did not want to be part?

    The only problem i see here is that people did nominate players, but they didnt get elected. ZoS had to take a lot into consideration when electing the reps. If only numbers of nominations or fame would count, me and other reps surely wouldnt be elected, but it would have caused uproar in here. There are more famous people than me, but mostly around those famous people also a lot of drama is happening. ZoS really took that and more criteria into consideration. If you are mad, because the people you expected didnt got electrd, then this is just...lets call it stupid. People get elected everywhere in politics, in sports, etc. And if you get mad by all that, then the problem is not the actual reps, but you yourself, since you cant accept what others decided.
    It is not that important who got elected or nominated. It is important if the work is done. People like woeler and cimbri maybe didnt want to do the work connected to the reps. You guys should just be happy, that we are elected, because we want to do that work. Therefore any complain about the electing of the reps is just prejudice and ignorance, because you dont know how much knowledge each of us have and what work we are willing to do for you guys.

    its just a reputation thing

    No it's not.
    At least one of them has a questionable reputation for many players on his server but he has knowledge that's why he made it into the program.


    Not only that, but certain reps seem openly hostile when answering critiques...

    At any rate, I'm wondering if people will indirectly blame the reps if this doesn't turn out satisfactory. I've seen it happen before in other games

    If you knew what we have to deal with since we took the "job", then you'd understand. I've been personally assaulted, insulted to the worst I've seen in my life for no reason at all. I can deal with that no problem, but if I read some comments here, they ate actually worse.

    I mean there's people who assume that we know less about the game because we don't stream daily. I know the game to the core, I know basically every little tiny formula that is behind mechanics and damage calculation. And people thinking that streamers are "smarter" just because they share everything they do is a big issue.

    I mean if these players claim "this set is bis", then players blindly pay 500k for weapons of that set. It is currently happening with mother's sorrow, it is only better than julianos (a crafted set) by at maximum 1% under ideal conditions with 100% warhorn uptime on a nightblade and templar. On any other scenario, it does the same damage as julianos, burning spellweave, destruction mastery. Still, players don't reflect on whether the price is justified and instead blindly buy and follow everything that these players say.

    What I'm saying is that people should stop assuming things about us and instead be constructive and make up their own minds. Make your own builds, test, learn more about the game because then the feedback we can give to the devs will become a lot better.

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  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    @Alcast pls make sure they don't break stamblade again...I have my faith in you so don't disappoint this one >:3
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    xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »
    @Alcast pls make sure they don't break stamblade again...I have my faith in you so don't disappoint this one >:3

    we merely give them feedback, we do not decide what changes will go through etc. That is entirely up to Wrobel. And we all know how good mr Wrobel is at unbalancing the game >.>
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  • Torbschka
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    Alcast wrote: »
    xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »
    @Alcast pls make sure they don't break stamblade again...I have my faith in you so don't disappoint this one >:3

    we merely give them feedback, we do not decide what changes will go through etc. That is entirely up to Wrobel. And we all know how good mr Wrobel is at unbalancing the game >.>

    Well, I didnt had "high" hopes for that Programm, seems like u neither haha
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    Torbschka wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »
    @Alcast pls make sure they don't break stamblade again...I have my faith in you so don't disappoint this one >:3

    we merely give them feedback, we do not decide what changes will go through etc. That is entirely up to Wrobel. And we all know how good mr Wrobel is at unbalancing the game >.>

    Well, I didnt had "high" hopes for that Programm, seems like u neither haha

    no we all know how wrobel is. and its one main reason why this might go belly up
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    Jsmalls wrote: »
    Hexys wrote: »
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    @Hexys

    We believe in you!! Help make MagSorcs a fun class to play again!

    Thanks @Jsmalls , as you stated 'fun to play again' does that mean you aren't enjoying magsorc at this moment? why?

    @Hexys

    We used to be the most mobile magicka class by design. Forced into light armor with damage shield as our only means of defense. In a Cryodiil full of snares and roots with no cooldown, and the effectiveness of gap closers (I agree gap closers need to function as they are) and overall stamina mobility, our class mobility options aren't performing well.

    That and we are all pigeonholed into the exact same bar setups with minimal variation available to us.

    Although I have not experienced Summerset I fear MagSorcs were overturned (from what I hear on the forums). We all called for a change to Rune cage before it went live and our opinions were ignored. Now we have to fear debilitating nerfs because of too much unavoidable damage between curse and rune cage. Something we never asked for.

    I'm short on time, but I'm looking forward to a post in the forums to discuss the class with you!

    Hey @Hexys I commented in discord a ton in regards to snares and after spending a lot of time playing my stamblade I can honestly say I enjoy playing on him much more than on my magicka sorc which I have mained since launch as you know.

    I think snares have a huge part in the "no fun" factor because they are almost not an issue on my stamblade and the overall gameplay feels much more smooth and fluid. The mobility was supposed to be a selling point on a magicka sorc and we absolutely used to have it, but now I feel like I am reacting to them (snares) most of the time. It's not fun being perma snared by dks while spamming shields as it offers no counterplay...wyrd tree has a horrible cooldown for the pace at which snares and roots are re-applied. Stam classes dont have this issue as shuffle and forward momentum give them a pass.

    The sorc damage and burst is over the top if you build for it, and I am sure we can expect to see an adjustment made to rune cage in the near future. However, taking that away as the only change is just one more push to stay off my sorc. I would prefer to have mobility back in a sense that sorcs who build with two sustain sets are able to maintain a kite/mobile playstyle whereas sorcs who build for damage cannot. It's a fair tradeoff. Maybe increase the cost of streak and remove the stacking cost? Add a snare removal to the defensive morph (ball of lightning)?

    Edited by Malamar1229 on July 2, 2018 5:33PM
  • Hexys
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    Malamar1229 wrote: »
    Jsmalls wrote: »
    Hexys wrote: »
    Jsmalls wrote: »
    @Hexys

    We believe in you!! Help make MagSorcs a fun class to play again!

    Thanks @Jsmalls , as you stated 'fun to play again' does that mean you aren't enjoying magsorc at this moment? why?

    @Hexys

    We used to be the most mobile magicka class by design. Forced into light armor with damage shield as our only means of defense. In a Cryodiil full of snares and roots with no cooldown, and the effectiveness of gap closers (I agree gap closers need to function as they are) and overall stamina mobility, our class mobility options aren't performing well.

    That and we are all pigeonholed into the exact same bar setups with minimal variation available to us.

    Although I have not experienced Summerset I fear MagSorcs were overturned (from what I hear on the forums). We all called for a change to Rune cage before it went live and our opinions were ignored. Now we have to fear debilitating nerfs because of too much unavoidable damage between curse and rune cage. Something we never asked for.

    I'm short on time, but I'm looking forward to a post in the forums to discuss the class with you!

    Hey @Hexys I commented in discord a ton in regards to snares and after spending a lot of time playing my stamblade I can honestly say I enjoy playing on him much more than on my magicka sorc which I have mained since launch as you know.

    I think snares have a huge part in the "no fun" factor because they are almost not an issue on my stamblade and the overall gameplay feels much more smooth and fluid. The mobility was supposed to be a selling point on a magicka sorc and we absolutely used to have it, but now I feel like I am reacting to them (snares) most of the time. It's not fun being perma snared by dks while spamming shields as it offers no counterplay...wyrd tree has a horrible cooldown for the pace at which snares and roots are re-applied. Stam classes dont have this issue as shuffle and forward momentum give them a pass.

    The sorc damage and burst is over the top if you build for it, and I am sure we can expect to see an adjustment made to rune cage in the near future. However, taking that away as the only change is just one more push to stay off my sorc. I would prefer to have mobility back in a sense that sorcs who build with two sustain sets are able to maintain a kite/mobile playstyle whereas sorcs who build for damage cannot. It's a fair tradeoff. Maybe increase the cost of streak and remove the stacking cost? Add a snare removal to the defensive morph (ball of lightning)?

    A very nice summary of pain-points that we discussed about magicka sorcerer during our own meetings and the meeting with the devs! We will see what changes next patch brings to us, so keep an eye out :wink:
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  • Malamar1229
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    Hexys wrote: »
    Malamar1229 wrote: »
    Jsmalls wrote: »
    Hexys wrote: »
    Jsmalls wrote: »
    @Hexys

    We believe in you!! Help make MagSorcs a fun class to play again!

    Thanks @Jsmalls , as you stated 'fun to play again' does that mean you aren't enjoying magsorc at this moment? why?

    @Hexys

    We used to be the most mobile magicka class by design. Forced into light armor with damage shield as our only means of defense. In a Cryodiil full of snares and roots with no cooldown, and the effectiveness of gap closers (I agree gap closers need to function as they are) and overall stamina mobility, our class mobility options aren't performing well.

    That and we are all pigeonholed into the exact same bar setups with minimal variation available to us.

    Although I have not experienced Summerset I fear MagSorcs were overturned (from what I hear on the forums). We all called for a change to Rune cage before it went live and our opinions were ignored. Now we have to fear debilitating nerfs because of too much unavoidable damage between curse and rune cage. Something we never asked for.

    I'm short on time, but I'm looking forward to a post in the forums to discuss the class with you!

    Hey @Hexys I commented in discord a ton in regards to snares and after spending a lot of time playing my stamblade I can honestly say I enjoy playing on him much more than on my magicka sorc which I have mained since launch as you know.

    I think snares have a huge part in the "no fun" factor because they are almost not an issue on my stamblade and the overall gameplay feels much more smooth and fluid. The mobility was supposed to be a selling point on a magicka sorc and we absolutely used to have it, but now I feel like I am reacting to them (snares) most of the time. It's not fun being perma snared by dks while spamming shields as it offers no counterplay...wyrd tree has a horrible cooldown for the pace at which snares and roots are re-applied. Stam classes dont have this issue as shuffle and forward momentum give them a pass.

    The sorc damage and burst is over the top if you build for it, and I am sure we can expect to see an adjustment made to rune cage in the near future. However, taking that away as the only change is just one more push to stay off my sorc. I would prefer to have mobility back in a sense that sorcs who build with two sustain sets are able to maintain a kite/mobile playstyle whereas sorcs who build for damage cannot. It's a fair tradeoff. Maybe increase the cost of streak and remove the stacking cost? Add a snare removal to the defensive morph (ball of lightning)?

    A very nice summary of pain-points that we discussed about magicka sorcerer during our own meetings and the meeting with the devs! We will see what changes next patch brings to us, so keep an eye out :wink:

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  • Torbschka
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    Magicka sorceres complain about lack of mobikity as one of the major pain points , I knew this Programm was *** but that lol
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    heres a painpoint for nightblades and this comes down to fighting them. cloak yes im bringing up cloak but the factor that it supresses all dots and i mean all dots even those from siege weapons damage to zero. ive reported this multiple times to multiple devs its like they dont care so at least can we get it put on the tooltip that it does this? its really just wrong that a nightblade can cloak and itll supress the dot but its not on the tooltip. ive seen it when im playing my nightblade and ive sent in tickets and even messages so can we just get it put on the tooltip already so people know nightblades have this affect as well on their cloaks?
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    And who represents NB healers? They should work on their mechanics and make them great healers not this good for nothing compared to templar or warden or dk healer (yup DK healer is now better than NB healer a lot better).
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    Jamdarius wrote: »
    And who represents NB healers? They should work on their mechanics and make them great healers not this good for nothing compared to templar or warden or dk healer (yup DK healer is now better than NB healer a lot better).

    nightblades are amazing healers
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    im seeing 2 known exploiters
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    ItsNebula wrote: »
    im seeing 2 known exploiters

    who?
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    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for
  • Joy_Division
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    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.
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    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.

    Well, I already did spoke with some "main mag wardens" and we all are pretty sure what the problem is:

    U guys claim that u dont voted for a specific class (which I understand and is OK), yet, no of u guys have a clue about 1vX magwarden / play it as a main. If im looking at templar/DK/sorc changes u bot what u needed.

    I actually knew warden was *** wEhen I saw ur "analysis" , like the *** bear would have bad any priority to any serious mag warden pvper, if thsts whatu presented them, y...

    I dont even wanna blame u guys, its just what I knew would happen actually happened lol, Program is useless at least for every pvp magwarden
  • Mojomonkeyman
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    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.

    Can you reps make a combined effort for the PTS meeting to highlight the lack of magicka warden love? I do not feel represented at the moment, discriminated would be a more fitting description.

    Do you guys realize how damn difficult it is to ever kill a mobile class without having an accessible cc? How horrible it feels to get runecaged on immunity timer without any chance to ever shift momentum with counter cc?

    Our PvP toolkit just doesnt match the other classes in power. I'm saying this as someone who played pre-hurricane stamsorc for ages - the situation for magicka wardens now is even worse.

    I really have to agree with Torbschka, I don't blame the reps on a personal level, but I don't feel you understand how desperately we need help...
    Edited by Mojomonkeyman on July 10, 2018 7:15AM
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  • Masel
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    Mojomonkeyman wrote: »
    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.

    Can you reps make a combined effort for the PTS meeting to highlight the lack of magicka warden love? I do not feel represented at the moment, discriminated would be a more fitting description.

    Do you guys realize how damn difficult it is to ever kill a mobile class without having an accessible cc? How horrible it feels to get runecaged on immunity timer without any chance to ever shift momentum with counter cc?

    Our PvP toolkit just doesnt match the other classes in power. I'm saying this as someone who played pre-hurricane stamsorc for ages - the situation for magicka wardens now is even worse.

    I really have to agree with Torbschka, I don't blame the reps on a personal level, but I don't feel you understand how desperately we need help...

    We already talked about this yesterday evening, we will definetely emphasize that wardens feel let out. Pets did not get touched in terms of CC in PvE, there's still no reliable cc. We went through our list and compared it to the points we told them and will talk to them about the things that werent touched, so we can hopefully reach more changes until it hits live.
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  • Mojomonkeyman
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    Mojomonkeyman wrote: »
    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.

    Can you reps make a combined effort for the PTS meeting to highlight the lack of magicka warden love? I do not feel represented at the moment, discriminated would be a more fitting description.

    Do you guys realize how damn difficult it is to ever kill a mobile class without having an accessible cc? How horrible it feels to get runecaged on immunity timer without any chance to ever shift momentum with counter cc?

    Our PvP toolkit just doesnt match the other classes in power. I'm saying this as someone who played pre-hurricane stamsorc for ages - the situation for magicka wardens now is even worse.

    I really have to agree with Torbschka, I don't blame the reps on a personal level, but I don't feel you understand how desperately we need help...

    We already talked about this yesterday evening, we will definetely emphasize that wardens feel let out. Pets did not get touched in terms of CC in PvE, there's still no reliable cc. We went through our list and compared it to the points we told them and will talk to them about the things that werent touched, so we can hopefully reach more changes until it hits live.

    Awesome, thanks to everyone trying their best to help us out.
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  • BohnT
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    Masel92 wrote: »
    Mojomonkeyman wrote: »
    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.

    Can you reps make a combined effort for the PTS meeting to highlight the lack of magicka warden love? I do not feel represented at the moment, discriminated would be a more fitting description.

    Do you guys realize how damn difficult it is to ever kill a mobile class without having an accessible cc? How horrible it feels to get runecaged on immunity timer without any chance to ever shift momentum with counter cc?

    Our PvP toolkit just doesnt match the other classes in power. I'm saying this as someone who played pre-hurricane stamsorc for ages - the situation for magicka wardens now is even worse.

    I really have to agree with Torbschka, I don't blame the reps on a personal level, but I don't feel you understand how desperately we need help...

    We already talked about this yesterday evening, we will definetely emphasize that wardens feel let out. Pets did not get touched in terms of CC in PvE, there's still no reliable cc. We went through our list and compared it to the points we told them and will talk to them about the things that werent touched, so we can hopefully reach more changes until it hits live.
    might want to say something About stamdk?
    stamdk at this Point doesn't Benefit from small changes, there Needs to be buffs for stamdk to be even considered being good.

    How About all the templar issues, nb balance talks and worst the rune Cage Change that doesn't do anything
  • Masel
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    BohnT wrote: »
    Masel92 wrote: »
    Mojomonkeyman wrote: »
    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.

    Can you reps make a combined effort for the PTS meeting to highlight the lack of magicka warden love? I do not feel represented at the moment, discriminated would be a more fitting description.

    Do you guys realize how damn difficult it is to ever kill a mobile class without having an accessible cc? How horrible it feels to get runecaged on immunity timer without any chance to ever shift momentum with counter cc?

    Our PvP toolkit just doesnt match the other classes in power. I'm saying this as someone who played pre-hurricane stamsorc for ages - the situation for magicka wardens now is even worse.

    I really have to agree with Torbschka, I don't blame the reps on a personal level, but I don't feel you understand how desperately we need help...

    We already talked about this yesterday evening, we will definetely emphasize that wardens feel let out. Pets did not get touched in terms of CC in PvE, there's still no reliable cc. We went through our list and compared it to the points we told them and will talk to them about the things that werent touched, so we can hopefully reach more changes until it hits live.
    might want to say something About stamdk?
    stamdk at this Point doesn't Benefit from small changes, there Needs to be buffs for stamdk to be even considered being good.

    How About all the templar issues, nb balance talks and worst the rune Cage Change that doesn't do anything

    We know all that, and we already mentioned these things in the class rep discord with the devs. We have a class rep meeting this week (or early next week) and another dev meeting on Friday, the 20th July.
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  • Joy_Division
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    Torbschka wrote: »
    Joy_Division wrote: »
    Torbschka wrote: »
    Thx for awesome mag warden changes, that 3% heal increase will my save my ass for sure and was exavtly what i wished for

    There is nothing more we could have (legally) done.

    Well, I already did spoke with some "main mag wardens" and we all are pretty sure what the problem is:

    U guys claim that u dont voted for a specific class (which I understand and is OK), yet, no of u guys have a clue about 1vX magwarden / play it as a main. If im looking at templar/DK/sorc changes u bot what u needed.

    I actually knew warden was *** wEhen I saw ur "analysis" , like the *** bear would have bad any priority to any serious mag warden pvper, if thsts whatu presented them, y...

    I dont even wanna blame u guys, its just what I knew would happen actually happened lol, Program is useless at least for every pvp magwarden

    You don't have a clue. None. Zero.

    First thing I communicated to ZOS when I saw the PTS: "If I played a mag Warden, I'd be disappointed in the patch notes."

    But keep telling yourself that somehow we are responsible when the facts are straight up in your face that for four years, ZoS has continuously and unrelentingly made 1vX more difficult and for over a year, ZoS has pretty much ignored the Warden despite much and consistent feedback about the class's issues.
    Edited by Joy_Division on July 10, 2018 12:59PM
  • valeriiya
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    No offense to the class reps, this is aimed at ZOS, this is a joke. This will be about as effective as the Community Ambassadors because ZOS DOESN'T LISTEN AND DOESN'T CARE IF IT DOESN'T BRING THEM IMMEDIATE $$$$. So please don't blame the class reps just like it's not fair to to blame @ZOS_GinaBruno for game performance issues. ZOS is doing this to try to make it look like they care about what players want. They only care about $$$.
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