Hide Vampirism option. Please?

AhPook_Is_Here

Aliyavana wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .

What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.

It would make sense from a master vampire perspective that a vampire that has mastered his powers would be able to cloak his appearance, no matter what his skill in magic is.

Are player vampires master vampires? You'd think that would be something that would take many decades or more, and even the oldest of player vampires have only been around 3 years.

It took me 30 minutes of grinding, it even says in the achievement master vampire. Our vestige has the potential to be natural prodigies, able to master all crafts and stop multiple huge threats in a small time frame.

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.

We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.

So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"

"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment

I dont think the haters are pvp related

It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy

As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already

Lore addicts shouldn't be against hiding vamparism since the basis for it being hidden is there

Wrong, as I stated before, I and other PCs are not mere mortals, you can hide and feed on the NPCs, but you can't hide from the PC's, who most of which are at least the Vestige or what not.
We can see you for what you are, a vamp.
I think it has little to do with Cyro either, or vamp haters!

Then why couldn't we tell count verandis was a vampire before he revealed himself to us?

It seems the ones that can look normal at will have been around for a lot longer than 30 minutes. I know that guy on the bloodspire or whatever it was called was around for more than an hour. maybe you get that skill at some point down the line?

More to the point though, I really would't care what a vampire looks like, as long as you can get equal regen passives and defensive actives without being one. I don't see why if you can be a vampire without looking like one you can't have vampire powers without being one. Since we're really talking about a game and imagination and how people want to feel about their experience, one is as good as the next.

I wouldn't mind my vampires, and my argonians all looking like this:



My peace is that you can be a vampire for whatever reasons you have, but everyone should be able to have the same powers without having to be a vampire so vampire doesn't become a quantitative consideration in choosing to be one.

Dystopia2020

Aliyavana wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .

What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.

It would make sense from a master vampire perspective that a vampire that has mastered his powers would be able to cloak his appearance, no matter what his skill in magic is.

Are player vampires master vampires? You'd think that would be something that would take many decades or more, and even the oldest of player vampires have only been around 3 years.

It took me 30 minutes of grinding, it even says in the achievement master vampire. Our vestige has the potential to be natural prodigies, able to master all crafts and stop multiple huge threats in a small time frame.

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.

We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.

So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"

"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment

I dont think the haters are pvp related

It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy

As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already

Lore addicts shouldn't be against hiding vamparism since the basis for it being hidden is there

Wrong, as I stated before, I and other PCs are not mere mortals, you can hide and feed on the NPCs, but you can't hide from the PC's, who most of which are at least the Vestige or what not.
We can see you for what you are, a vamp.
I think it has little to do with Cyro either, or vamp haters!

Then why couldn't we tell count verandis was a vampire before he revealed himself to us?

I KNEW Veradis was a Vamp, was it really a surprise to you? I would probably know which motif you happen to be wearing, I also happen to know lots of the ESO lore. I am not an NPC, I am a PC.
I believe many of the PCs would be able to see though a vamp visage. You think Divayth Fyr couldn't see who you really are? How about Vanus Galarion?

Heimpai

ArchMikem wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .

What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.

The same way you can hide your gear without being a well trained crafter

Aliyavana

Heimpai wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .

What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.

The same way you can hide your gear without being a well trained crafter

Or use skyshards or wayshrines before getting your soul removed

Aliyavana

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .

What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.

It would make sense from a master vampire perspective that a vampire that has mastered his powers would be able to cloak his appearance, no matter what his skill in magic is.

Are player vampires master vampires? You'd think that would be something that would take many decades or more, and even the oldest of player vampires have only been around 3 years.

It took me 30 minutes of grinding, it even says in the achievement master vampire. Our vestige has the potential to be natural prodigies, able to master all crafts and stop multiple huge threats in a small time frame.

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.

We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.

So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"

"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment

I dont think the haters are pvp related

It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy

As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already

Lore addicts shouldn't be against hiding vamparism since the basis for it being hidden is there

Wrong, as I stated before, I and other PCs are not mere mortals, you can hide and feed on the NPCs, but you can't hide from the PC's, who most of which are at least the Vestige or what not.
We can see you for what you are, a vamp.
I think it has little to do with Cyro either, or vamp haters!

Then why couldn't we tell count verandis was a vampire before he revealed himself to us?

I KNEW Veradis was a Vamp, was it really a surprise to you? I would probably know which motif you happen to be wearing, I also happen to know lots of the ESO lore. I am not an NPC, I am a PC.
I believe many of the PCs would be able to see though a vamp visage. You think Divayth Fyr couldn't see who you really are? How about Vanus Galarion?

You couldn't tell from his physical appearance, he didn't have red eyes nor white skin at first, all you could do is speculate

Dystopia2020

Aliyavana wrote: »

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .

What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.

It would make sense from a master vampire perspective that a vampire that has mastered his powers would be able to cloak his appearance, no matter what his skill in magic is.

Are player vampires master vampires? You'd think that would be something that would take many decades or more, and even the oldest of player vampires have only been around 3 years.

It took me 30 minutes of grinding, it even says in the achievement master vampire. Our vestige has the potential to be natural prodigies, able to master all crafts and stop multiple huge threats in a small time frame.

Dystopia2020 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.

We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.

So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"

"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment

I dont think the haters are pvp related

It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy

As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already

Lore addicts shouldn't be against hiding vamparism since the basis for it being hidden is there

Wrong, as I stated before, I and other PCs are not mere mortals, you can hide and feed on the NPCs, but you can't hide from the PC's, who most of which are at least the Vestige or what not.
We can see you for what you are, a vamp.
I think it has little to do with Cyro either, or vamp haters!

Then why couldn't we tell count verandis was a vampire before he revealed himself to us?

I KNEW Veradis was a Vamp, was it really a surprise to you? I would probably know which motif you happen to be wearing, I also happen to know lots of the ESO lore. I am not an NPC, I am a PC.
I believe many of the PCs would be able to see though a vamp visage. You think Divayth Fyr couldn't see who you really are? How about Vanus Galarion?

You couldn't tell from his physical appearance, he didn't have red eyes nor white skin at first, all you could do is speculate

Yes, but I was right. Veradis is only a pasty ass Altmer count living in a spooky castle, what gave him away??

RDMyers65b14_ESO

This again? Why can't people understand that this is not Twilight mmorpg. Vampires are abominations and they deserve to look like monsters.

Aliyavana

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

This again? Why can't people understand that this is not Twilight mmorpg. Vampires are abominations and they deserve to look like monsters.

DoctorESO

Aliyavana wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

This again? Why can't people understand that this is not Twilight mmorpg. Vampires are abominations and they deserve to look like monsters.

Someone link a picture of serena and harkon

here you go

Aliyavana

DoctorESO wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

This again? Why can't people understand that this is not Twilight mmorpg. Vampires are abominations and they deserve to look like monsters.

Someone link a picture of serena and harkon

here you go

Ty

bg22

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

This again? Why can't people understand that this is not Twilight mmorpg. Vampires are abominations and they deserve to look like monsters.

What are talking about? Nobody wants twilight. The advantages of vamp are too good to pass up, especially on NB... but we don’t want to look like a evil zombie. And this argument that it would affect pvp is ludicrous. Nobody changes their play style against vampires bc they SEE their vampire skin. The ONLY person effected by the terrible looks is the vampire themselves.

Adding the option to hide vampirism would negatively impact NO ONE, and benefit many. There’s no downside to adding the option. None.

Heimpai

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

This again? Why can't people understand that this is not Twilight mmorpg. Vampires are abominations and they deserve to look like monsters.

And why do you get to decide what they look like but we don’t? For all we know they could be beautiful creatures but we‘ll never know as they don’t exist in our world

Geru77

bg22 wrote: »

Look, I do not want to look like a vampire... at all. But, the stealth benefits fit my NB all too well, so it’s crappy to pass them up.

I would love the option to “hide” my Vampire appearance.

Hahaha nope. Shoulda thought twice before getting the bite.

Aliyavana

Geru77 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Look, I do not want to look like a vampire... at all. But, the stealth benefits fit my NB all too well, so it’s crappy to pass them up.

I would love the option to “hide” my Vampire appearance.

Hahaha nope. Shoulda thought twice before getting the bite.

Do you use the outfit system without thinking twice? after all you hide your gear and still get the benefits of the stats...

Aliyavana

Aliyavana wrote: »

Geru77 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Look, I do not want to look like a vampire... at all. But, the stealth benefits fit my NB all too well, so it’s crappy to pass them up.

I would love the option to “hide” my Vampire appearance.

Hahaha nope. Shoulda thought twice before getting the bite.

Do you use the outfit system without thinking twice? after all you hide your gear and still get the benefits of the stats...

In fact if you use the outfit system and are against hiding vamparism you are a hypocrite

HowlKimchi

I want this too. The pale tail of my lizard is too horrible to look at without a skin.

Aliyavana

HaruyukiHana wrote: »

I want this too. The pale tail of my lizard is too horrible to look at without a skin.

Argonians imo look awesome as vampires, probably the only ones I tolerate as vampires. Must be a benefit of being an object

MehrunesFlagon

Give us hide vamp.As well as hides shoulders and hip/crotch flaps while you are at it.

Xoelarasizerer

You can wear disguises and (at least for me) that hides the vampire skin/eyes on vampires.
Of course that probably won't be enough since you probably still want to wear your unique look from your outfit/costume without any willing to compromise your perfect vision.

ZoS probably won't add a hide vampire skin option due to the crowd that will rise complaining about "muh lore" on that alone, no matter how much Illusion magic you could throw at that.

MehrunesFlagon

Xoelarasizerer wrote: »

You can wear disguises and (at least for me) that hides the vampire skin/eyes on vampires.
Of course that probably won't be enough since you probably still want to wear your unique look from your outfit/costume without any willing to compromise your perfect vision.

ZoS probably won't add a hide vampire skin option due to the crowd that will rise complaining about "muh lore" on that alone, no matter how much Illusion magic you could throw at that.

Yet skins already allow this.Simply giving a human skin would not affect lore nerds in the slightest.They could simply pretend that they are not vampires,which would actually be a bit more realistic anyway.

bloodthirstyvampire

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Give us hide vamp.As well as hides shoulders and hip/crotch flaps while you are at it.

And underwear

Cambion2401

I kinda hope we'll get a hide vampire thing too. Even if it's just a graphic option (so I don't see it, but others do see me as a vamp), or something that will be removed in PvP. That would prevent any complains on if it's fair play or not.

Considering some vampires have been known to live between people with no one knowing they where vampires, and the fact we have illusion magic, it should be very easy explainable to lore fanatics as well. There are enough parts in lore that suggest vampires can hide. And there are way more unlore-friendly things in the game as well.

If Zenimax doesn't add it, I hope for an addon, but I never found any in the years I played, and I've been looking since I've been a vampire. I did find some old mentions of that there used to be a way to hide it but it was removed, but that was months ago and I can't find it back.

I play a vampire, and I love it, I think vampires look really cool and have been the best looking in ESO since (atleast) Oblivion (they where horribly ugly in Oblivion, and un-modded skyrim (Dawnguard) not that much better). I actually really like what they did to it this time in both idea and execution, where I only liked idea in the previous games. But sometimes I just kinda want my old appearance back that I spend so much time on, without starting a new character. I just feel kinda doomed to always look evil, which can be fun, but not always. Just like how I don't want to view me helmet all the time and still get the buffs of my helmet.

butternutbutt

Vamps should be able to cast a glamour to appear normal, should be a toggled ability you can unlock when you complete the skill line.

Darrett

Aliyavana wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Geru77 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Look, I do not want to look like a vampire... at all. But, the stealth benefits fit my NB all too well, so it’s crappy to pass them up.

I would love the option to “hide” my Vampire appearance.

Hahaha nope. Shoulda thought twice before getting the bite.

Do you use the outfit system without thinking twice? after all you hide your gear and still get the benefits of the stats...

In fact if you use the outfit system and are against hiding vamparism you are a hypocrite

I use the outfit system to add dyes and change armor style, but maintain the type of armor. Light stays light, etc. I’d be in favor of restrictions on the outfit system in general to prevent severe changes to appearances in general, though.

ZOS_KatP

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We've removed a few off-topic posts. This is just a friendly reminder to keep your posts civil

Thank you!

Ximinetto

I personally prefer to be a werewolf,but my class/race choice is better to be vampire. But yes,if being a vampire means white skin and red eyes,then no.

Beamer_Miasma

When ZoS adds an actual (and very significant) disadvantage for being a vampire in sunlight - as it should be - I may get behind this. Until that time, be a pasty white ugly shadow of a man and suck it up or get cured. TANSTAAFL.

White wabbit

You want the pros well then you have to take the cons too

Linaleah

White wabbit wrote: »

You want the pros well then you have to take the cons too

there are enough cons without making your character look terrible.. like you know that whole needing to feed and weakness to fire thing.

SixVoltCar

GINA!

Would it help if I suggested that Zeni ripped off Lucasarts and therefore EA with their vamp stage 4 model? Turn that garbage off.