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Hide Vampirism option. Please?
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭All the people against hiding vamparism shouldn't use the outfit system or costumes as monster sets and armor/weapon weight affect gameplay a lot more than vamparism. There is no drawback to using the outfit system to hide my heavy gear as light gear, nor my axes as swords, nor my extremely game altering monster sets with motif pieces.
Many in that crowd say that knowing that the other person is a vampire is important for "mah cyrodils" but don't be a hypocrite and use the outfit system where I can hide my monster sets that make a HUGE difference
Outfit gives no ingame buffs. Bad comparison7 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »All the people against hiding vamparism shouldn't use the outfit system or costumes as monster sets and armor/weapon weight affect gameplay a lot more than vamparism. There is no drawback to using the outfit system to hide my heavy gear as light gear, nor my axes as swords, nor my extremely game altering monster sets with motif pieces.
Many in that crowd say that knowing that the other person is a vampire is important for "mah cyrodils" but don't be a hypocrite and use the outfit system where I can hide my monster sets that make a HUGE difference
Outfit gives no ingame buffs. Bad comparison
Good comparison, the gear outfits hide does. It hides zaans and arena weapons under it. So we should be able to hide vamparism as we can hide monster sets and other gear which change the game more than vamparism.Edited by Aliyavana on May 17, 2018 9:49PM6 -
GoonyGoat✭✭✭✭Prob a bug, but wearing a disguise hides vampirism and makes your toon look normal again2 -
Runschei✭✭✭✭✭
✭Prob a bug, but wearing a disguise hides vampirism and makes your toon look normal again
This is simply avoiding the issue, and as stated before; it will also remove all crown store cosmetics like hairstyles, jewelry and makeup etc. added to your appearance after character creation screen.2 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree. Vampire buff is one of the single most OP buffs in the game.
It either needs a gameplay drawback or a way to hide its visual effects.3 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ShadowMonarch wrote: »NO, if you don't want vampirism then 1. Don't become a vampire. 2. Cure it.
Vampirism gives OP gameplay buffs. It should have gameplay drawbacks only.2 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I sometimes wish being a Vampire or a Werewolf was an actual serious decision for a player to make, that they REALLY had to weigh for and against. Something that really punished them for the benefits. But no, there's barely any downside to be one that being a Vampire has basically become a standard addition to most end-game Builds. And since becoming a Vamp is such a trivial "necessary" thing in the game we have threads like this where people want the visual punishment removed cause it's inconvenient.
I imagined Werewolves and Vampires to be the badass few of the game. Uncommon to run into and a potential challenge above ordinary players. But nope, it's just one more set of passives to add onto your build coming to the point where 90% of all Nightblades found in Cyrodiil are Vampires and even the PvE overworld is so full of them waltzing around it's actually fitting that the NPCs don't react to them being in the open cause it's become such a normal every day occurrence to walk outside your house and see ten Vampires perusing the Traders.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »ShadowMonarch wrote: »NO, if you don't want vampirism then 1. Don't become a vampire. 2. Cure it.
Vampirism gives OP gameplay buffs. It should have gameplay drawbacks only.
I bet a lot of these players who are against hiding vamparism because they consider it a drawback would cry if they were forced to slot a vampire ability in order to get the benefits of regen. "Embrace vamparism" yet if you were to force them to embrace it they would they would probably make a HUGE qq thread. At this point many people only consider vamparism as a stat increase and many don't care about the cosmetics and the drawback isn't bad enough and so take advantage of the stat increase vamparism.Edited by Aliyavana on May 18, 2018 8:47AM1 -
bloodthirstyvampire✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »ShadowMonarch wrote: »NO, if you don't want vampirism then 1. Don't become a vampire. 2. Cure it.
Vampirism gives OP gameplay buffs. It should have gameplay drawbacks only.
I bet a lot of these players who are against hiding vamparism because they consider it a drawback would cry if they were forced to slot a vampire ability in order to get the benefits of regen. "Embrace vamparism" yet if you were to force them to embrace it they would they would probably make a HUGE qq thread. At this point many people only consider vamparism as a stat increase and many don't care about the cosmetics and the drawback isn't bad enough and so take advantage of the stat increase vamparism.
STOP RUNNING FROM WHO YOU ARE CONFRONT IT EMBRACE IT N GO For IT'S FREAKIN THROAT LIKE A REAL FREAKIN VAMPIRE -Alucard Hellsing abridged episode 8. I already slot all 3 anyway2 -
Dystopia2020✭✭✭All of you people saying you get to hide your appearance with "mortals" and using it as an RP argument better consider that the other PCs are not mere mortals, you may be able to hide with the NPCs and drink freely, but consider this: I and many others (PCs) would be easily able to see though your visage.
So no, you don't get to hide with the other PC's.
Edited by Dystopia2020 on May 18, 2018 2:55PMApotheosis Priori~ EP Altmer Vamplar
Illumanatus Priori~ EP Altmer Mag Sorc
Apostate Priori~ EP Altmer Mag DK
Apostate De'Void~ (retired) AD Altmer crafter
PC/ NA, Vivec
This is the Spiral Skein. The tower is One. The strands are Eight. The lessons are Forever.
"No really, I AM an Ayleid".4 -
Kalik_Gold✭✭✭✭✭
✭Regular disguises hide the effect and you look normal. Like "Imperial Disguise" or "Midnight Union Disguise" etc, in appearance section. The downside is you are in that disguise. Can't dye it, nor can you hide the helmets any more since Outfits were released.Edited by Kalik_Gold on May 18, 2018 3:39PMMain: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I will say what I say every time I see this thread pop up:
Dear ZOS,
I dont want to look like an extra from the walking dead when I am a vampire.
Please and Thank You,
Bear
Then stop being a vampire
@Skwor
Or I will just wear a trial skin. I mean I get it, its a choice, but any min maxer is going to run vamp because the pros far outweigh the cons for almost every possible scenario. As a magic DPS, you are a fool to not be a vamp if you care about pushing any type of score. Hard to deny, vampires are ugly AF in this game. Not everyone can slot a silver skin to hide it, so giving some options wouldn't be the worst thing IMO. As priorities go, it's pretty low for me, but I completely understand why this pops up like clockwork about once a month on the forums.2 -
Vercingetorix✭✭✭✭✭
✭It already exists, just use a skin - there's plenty to choose from. Problem solved.“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”4 -
Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭I want to wear.
THE SKIN I DESIGNED with the costume I choose or outfit I created because ZoS said this is a play as you want game and that's what I want.
So in the spirit of all those who are clamoring to deny enjoyment of some other players which would come at no new cost to yourselves, with all the quick sharp snide comments, I present my quick sharp snide reply.
There is absolutely no good reason that a "remove vampire graphic" token cannot be implemented on the crown store in the form of a graphic removal or override token.
Those who RP will still have their pretty pale complections. So any peeps from them is a moot point.
PvP players already have the ability to change the appearance of their gear and weapons to hide what they are using so allowing vamps to change the color of their skin "which is hidden in pvp anyway" doesn't change jack for them. So anything from them is a moot point.
Those who cry "but there should be a drawback" might have a slight point on the % of the drawback but as you can see below the graphical change to vamps is the least of them:
^ that's on top of permanently looking like you just got out of a flour mill so those saying vamps got no cons other than their looks are full of cow puckey.
And to the lore people, it has been stated many times vamps in Elder Scrolls have been able to hide their vampirism appearance completely day or night at will according to lore so again...moot point.
With that all out of the way.
Willing to pay 10K Crowns to get my "remove vampire graphical changes" token from the crown store.Edited by Aesthier on May 18, 2018 7:46PM5 -
Hurbster✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is what Vampires look like in this game.
Deal with it and suffer the OP buff or don't.So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.2 -
SpiderCultist✭✭✭✭✭Hmm... what if you end up liking it? I actually like their skin (except for my woodelf, he looks like a kid that came out straight from a gas chamber)PC | EU
Ashlander and Mephala worshipper.
"You are just another breed of domestic animal, grazing stupidly while higher beings plot your slaughter."2 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .
What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .
What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.
you realize thatll make them even more tanky right??? alteration magic can give more armor0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .
What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.
It would make sense from a master vampire perspective that a vampire that has mastered his powers would be able to cloak his appearance, no matter what his skill in magic is.
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.
We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.
So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"
"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment
I dont think the haters are pvp related
It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy
As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.
We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.
So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"
"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment
I dont think the haters are pvp related
It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy
As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already
Lore addicts shouldn't be against hiding vamparism since the basis for it being hidden is there2 -
Dystopia2020✭✭✭You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.
We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.
So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"
"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment
I dont think the haters are pvp related
It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy
As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already
Lore addicts shouldn't be against hiding vamparism since the basis for it being hidden is there
Wrong, as I stated before, I and other PCs are not mere mortals, you can hide and feed on the NPCs, but you can't hide from the PC's, who most of which are at least the Vestige or what not.
We can see you for what you are, a vamp.
I think it has little to do with Cyro either, or vamp haters!Apotheosis Priori~ EP Altmer Vamplar
Illumanatus Priori~ EP Altmer Mag Sorc
Apostate Priori~ EP Altmer Mag DK
Apostate De'Void~ (retired) AD Altmer crafter
PC/ NA, Vivec
This is the Spiral Skein. The tower is One. The strands are Eight. The lessons are Forever.
"No really, I AM an Ayleid".3 -
Ostacia✭✭✭✭✭Isn't there a vampire in Rivenspire who can hide his vampirism?PC/ NA
Imagination is the real and eternal world of which this vegetable universe is but a faint shadow. -- William Blake2 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .
What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.
It would make sense from a master vampire perspective that a vampire that has mastered his powers would be able to cloak his appearance, no matter what his skill in magic is.
Are player vampires master vampires? You'd think that would be something that would take many decades or more, and even the oldest of player vampires have only been around 3 years.“Whatever.”
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✭✭✭✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I love the way I look at stage 4 Vamp but fully support players right to choose because it's in the lore and in a vampire mission here . They can hide their appearance with majic .
What if the Vampire is a stamina character? How would a stam character also be well trained in Alteration magic.
It would make sense from a master vampire perspective that a vampire that has mastered his powers would be able to cloak his appearance, no matter what his skill in magic is.
Are player vampires master vampires? You'd think that would be something that would take many decades or more, and even the oldest of player vampires have only been around 3 years.
It took me 30 minutes of grinding, it even says in the achievement master vampire. Our vestige has the potential to be natural prodigies, able to master all crafts and stop multiple huge threats in a small time frame.Dystopia2020 wrote: »You're going to get attacked by all the pvpers who don't want more vampires running around. To the anti hide vamparism crowd they don't care that lore allows vampires to blend amongst mortals and lore aside, gameplay already allows you to hide vamparism with disguises and ugly flashlight skins but they want to keep cosmetics as a deterrent from cyrodil being filled with vampires.
We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them.
So lore and gameplay reasons are a nope because "mah cyrodil"
"Cure you vamparism, you need to take the downsides with vamparism" let me tell you lore and gameplay already allows you to bypass appearance restrictions and I don't care about your false immersion nor your cyrodil being over run with vampires. In fact for some classes it's necessary for mist form for mobility in pvp and should those classes be punished with looking like a bad cosplay skooma addict? Cosmetics should not be a punishment
I dont think the haters are pvp related
It is usually stubborn lore addicts , there is also the i dont need it so you dont need it kindof guy
As for myself ambin favor of hide vampirism skin / option. We have given enough arguments already
Lore addicts shouldn't be against hiding vamparism since the basis for it being hidden is there
Wrong, as I stated before, I and other PCs are not mere mortals, you can hide and feed on the NPCs, but you can't hide from the PC's, who most of which are at least the Vestige or what not.
We can see you for what you are, a vamp.
I think it has little to do with Cyro either, or vamp haters!
Then why couldn't we tell count verandis was a vampire before he revealed himself to us?Edited by Aliyavana on May 19, 2018 7:59PM2
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