ZO$ you killed the whale !

Malamar1229

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Malamar1229

Xuhora wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'm...watching. I used to buy crates but haven't really felt like it lately. I vastly prefer direct purchase with an occasional foray into "let's see what I end up with".

What I think they're doing badly is the "limited time" stuff. Not everyone logs in often enough to partake (I do, but I know a lot of guildies don't).

I also think the prices on some things is just a bit too high.

Yeah the limited time stuff in really annoying. I dont like sales gimmicks like that, it just annoys me. Not a great thing to do to someone you want to buy from you. And the limited time crown exclusive housing is really annoying, especially considering the price tag they put on it. That is completely and utterly ridiculous to price those that high. Id love to have the GTH but im not spending $100 for it or any other house in this game i dont care if its the size of coldharbour

thats just marketing... The coffee seller in my City has limited editions and i allways catch my self buying the doubled ammount because i know it will be gone soon. For the love of god i could actually buy unicorn froot loops in the market next to my house as a limited edition. The scheme works, and thus will continue.

Yeah I buy more pumpkin coffee in the fall especially in the last few weeks

CompM4s

b.bredfeldtub17_ESO wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

Cant hate on people considered whales. Obviously they are financially successful enough to afford it. Wish they added apex mounts for gems. They should get that much.

Most people can't afford most things they buy. They buy them and make bad financial decisions because it's just what they want, not because they can actually meet all other obligations or commonly accepted practices of success (such as maxxing 401k).

@b.bredfeldtub17_ESO I hope thats not the case for them.

Jerkling

Mureel wrote: »

Just because I utterly disagree with you does not mean I do not comprehend what you're saying.

People who do not sub/buy anything are freeloaders and the rest of us pay their way.

[...]

Also, it's 'infer' not imply.

well, you obviously didn't comprehend what i was saying since you went on about how else ZOS is suppose to make money, free stuff and whatever kind of mentality.

you are also not paying anyones way, you pay for being entertaint. ZOS is not starving, they don't use your money for the sole purpose of keeping servers for "freeloaders" running.

no, it's implying as you failed to comprehend what's been said (and afaik you still do), therefor you implied or assumed.

Prof_Bawbag

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Because those items you mention are tangible items. Those sports cards still hold value should you wish to recoup your money in some capacity. In game items are made from fresh air. Tangible items and in game items aren't comparable in any way. You never actually own anything you buy in game. One exists, the other is only available to you until the people selling them decide to close down the servers, which will happen. Then what are you left with?

Astrid

Stop judging someone on their financial situation, how about that? 4K sounds a lot to you and very well may be (as it’s a a lot to me too) but others have different means of money making, living situations - hell this may be their life. Spend what you want on what you want.

Crown crates are a joke tho.

Cpt_Teemo

Vahrokh wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

You're like a baby whale. I know players who spend 10k+ a year.

or 30k in just a day

https://www.pcgamer.com/meet-a-fan-who-has-spent-30000-on-star-citizen-ships/

I've spent several thousands too, did not make a video or an announcement about it though
Star Citizen was and is the dream game, the AAA title founded entirely by its playerbase.

So we can finally have a proper game, no shortcuts taken, no editor "choices" or censorship, no restrictions because of deadlines or other shareholders sharks sheanigans.

Spent thousands, would do again, perhaps more.

Yeah, people are starting to refund though cause SC isn't really going anywhere

https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/13/16767590/star-citizen-refund

Eyro

Vahrokh wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

You're like a baby whale. I know players who spend 10k+ a year.

or 30k in just a day

https://www.pcgamer.com/meet-a-fan-who-has-spent-30000-on-star-citizen-ships/

I've spent several thousands too, did not make a video or an announcement about it though
Star Citizen was and is the dream game, the AAA title founded entirely by its playerbase.

So we can finally have a proper game, no shortcuts taken, no editor "choices" or censorship, no restrictions because of deadlines or other shareholders sharks sheanigans.

Spent thousands, would do again, perhaps more.

I hope it works out for you. If only people always agreed.

CireNesnomis

Vahrokh wrote: »

ssorgatem wrote: »

....What happens is that if a collector starts missing 2-3 items, he's not feeling being a collector any more. Thus he drops the whole operation and hops to another game where he CAN purchase ALL.

EXACTLY. This is me as well. I have been playing since Beta. Collected Recipes, Motifs, Furniture , etc., and now I've given up. I spent ~$1K each year and love this game. Now I'm playing less even though I love the content, questing, and am excited about Sommerset, but I can no longer keep up. Last straw was the recent 20% Crown sale which really hacked me off. I am done collecting in ESO.

Charliff1966

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Because those items you mention are tangible items. Those sports cards still hold value should you wish to recoup your money in some capacity. In game items are made from fresh air. Tangible items and in game items aren't comparable in any way. You never actually own anything you buy in game. One exists, the other is only available to you until the people selling them decide to close down the servers, which will happen. Then what are you left with?

What are you left with after going out for dinner, hollidays, movies?

Kuramas9tails

Jerkling wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

@Jerkling I am on a marketing team for a billion dollar company and I can tell you, seeing statistics of marketing strategies are VERY useful. Although this post is just one example they have presented to ZOS, there are many more out there. Finding trends that actually hinder a buyer is ZOS's problem, not the buyer. As you can see, the buyer is willing to spend a large amount of money and presenting their discomfort as to why a strategy they changed is actually causing them to spend less. I also float that boat and since the Radiant Apex mounts were introduced, I have spent less on crown crates.

It's not so much blaming ZOS's for them spending money. It's more or less one statistic from one buyer and what has caused them to spend less and why.

This should be a simple understanding even for someone who is not on a marketing team.

@Kuramas9tails

i think you're missing my point. the OP was complaining about ZOS adding more items to the crown crates item pool which would lead to him spending more money if he/she was to get all the items available, calling ZOS greedy. but you can not blame a company for trying to make more money by refining strategies that worked. and it obviously worked great to far since the OP was happy to throw thousands of Euros at them.

No doubt ZOS isn't/wouldn't be happy losing a cash cow like that, but i'm confident ZOS has capable people in their marketing/economics team who know how to utilize a inverse demand funktion.

@Jerkling If you read his entire post, he's making an observation as to why he's not spending as much one reason is due to the amount of things not avilable for purchase with gems. Thus is why he said "added items you could not get through the gems". Many people have been put off spending more money for a slim RNG (last I saw, only one person on the add-on for PC won the RA senche mount). When crown crates were first introduced, everything you could win in them you could get with gems. Now they are adding more items which you cannot get with gems which would, in turn, cause some people to be put off and spend less (such as OP, myself, and many other commenters).

Now he does mention there being more items and making it harder for him to achieve them all, which, yeah, I will agree with you on that part, that is the buyers choice. But as far as putting some things only behind a less than 1% chance RNG which you can not get with gems is ridiculous and has caused some buyers to spend less and be put off by the crown crates in general who were ok with spending $40 here and there on them. Now I just save the crowns for something else I know I will guarantee get or at least can achieve through gems but I will never again try for a Radiant Apex mount again (learned my lesson and put me off).

Giraffon

Playing since beta. Had my intelligence insulted more than once with these guys over the years. The only time they really burned me was when they came up with that chapter garbage and wouldn't allow me to use crowns that I had banked towards its purchase. That really crossed a line with me and any sort of misplaced trust I might have had with them has been wrecked.

jmgrant44ub17_ESO

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

What's with the posts bashing OP for spending their disposal income on what they deem worthy? Plenty of us didn't mind the existence of crown crates until they changed them which wasn't long ago as evident by all the crown crate mounts I see running around. Up until then anyone could get everything they wanted.

I swear some people and their insistence to judge anothers spending habits smells of pure envy that someone can blow large sums of money at something they deem unworthy.

Some people cant get passed the idea that someone else has more money and how they choose to spend it. Apparently OP should of checked with all of these Forum Financial Advisers before even thinking about spending his/her money the way they wanted.

What this should tell people is that its large purchasing power like the OP thats driving up the prices in the Crown Store. ZOS looks at their analytics and sees that there are very deep pockets playing the game and maneuvers things to attract them to spend even more. The end result is the small fry player that is probably barely hanging onto their ESO+ is left behind. Because theyll continue to commit what little they can afford to spare for the game but they arent going to drop a few thousand dollars over the course of a year for Crates. Its probably why something like ESO+ offers so much but asks for so little. Ultimately ZOS can take that as a loss since OP and others are spending that hundreds of times over.

Anyone that thinks they are "supporting" the game with their small fry 7 dollar purchases here and there are delusional. ZOS and ESO are no longer in dire straights. They are not only making profit hand over fist but they are wiping their ***es with 100 dollar bills. Things like Motif Pages dropping in Crown Crates are pretty clear signs that the target demographic ZOS is after is not even close to the poverty line.

I think you missed the OP point. This person is the target audience and they are killing it. An if you think they are making money “hand over fist” you aren't paying attention to the numbers.

yiasemi

In the 70's the bait would have been in Times Square and the whales would have been circling.

KyraCROgnon

I've always been stingy so i rarely spend tons of money on a game.
But i admit i've spent less lately on ESO , for 3 reasons (aside from the obvious "my purse is not bottomless" )

Main one : less interesting crown coins sale ! the last sales i would buy at least 1 pack of crown coins to offer to my partner , makes him happy, and at 30 or 40 % off i felt like i was getting a good deal. Last sale with the mere 20% off ? nope, no appeal to me at all ! He got some movie as a birthday present instead , and ESO got no money from me

Lesser one : houses are more and more expensives, too big, and i hate the tendency to have every new house be crown only. So i bought exactly 1 house with crowns (using a year of accumulated ESO+ cronws...) , the erstwhile sanctuary, because i actually did fall in love with it. And that will be it, at least until ESO start releasing regularly houses to buy with gold money too, so i don't feel racketed just looking at house adds ....

Final one : less sales in the crown store for less interesting items. If i saw a cute dog or a silly costume discounted from 500 coins down to 200 or 300, i used to buy it because "its cute... and that's a bargain isn't it ?" . Whereas spending 4k instead of 5k on a motif book that can be farmed in game anyway ? pffff what kind of deal is it ???

BaneOfBattler

I dont see any pistol pointing at me when im playing the game asking me for my wallet...

Are you sure you are running the same version as every1 else?

If you are spending this much in a game its most likely to be your fault not theirs.

Bye

Inoki

The more you feed them the hungrier they get.

I'm also a big enthusiast of supporting what I like, but learning more and more about the practices I might stay at the subscription only. Perhaps.

Prof_Bawbag

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Because those items you mention are tangible items. Those sports cards still hold value should you wish to recoup your money in some capacity. In game items are made from fresh air. Tangible items and in game items aren't comparable in any way. You never actually own anything you buy in game. One exists, the other is only available to you until the people selling them decide to close down the servers, which will happen. Then what are you left with?

What are you left with after going out for dinner, hollidays, movies?

@Charliff1966 Yet another awful analogy that gets banded about here. Eating out, going to the movies etc have zero to do with gaming. Good luck building memories and keeping family and friend relationships together if all you do is sit and face 4 walls every day. Eating out, going to the movies, holidays etc are usually social events that allow us to do just that, to socialise, build memories and evolve relationships. If all you and your wife/husband/partner/kids care about is sitting facing a screen all day, for 365 days of the year, for every waking moment, then that's your prerogative if that's how your relationships with those people work. However, most relationships need more.

You have 1 more analogy left, pizzanomics.

hexnotic

N/A

Charliff1966

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Because those items you mention are tangible items. Those sports cards still hold value should you wish to recoup your money in some capacity. In game items are made from fresh air. Tangible items and in game items aren't comparable in any way. You never actually own anything you buy in game. One exists, the other is only available to you until the people selling them decide to close down the servers, which will happen. Then what are you left with?

What are you left with after going out for dinner, hollidays, movies?

@Charliff1966 Yet another awful analogy that gets banded about here. Eating out, going to the movies etc have zero to do with gaming. Good luck building memories and keeping family and friend relationships together if all you do is sit and face 4 walls every day. Eating out, going to the movies, holidays etc are usually social events that allow us to do just that, to socialise, build memories and evolve relationships. If all you and your wife/husband/partner/kids care about is sitting facing a screen all day, for 365 days of the year, for every waking moment, then that's your prerogative if that's how your relationships with those people work. However, most relationships need more.

You have 1 more analogy left, pizzanomics.

Your choice, still no reason to question whales. Most whales spend time with loved ones. Heck my wife doesnt cook so we either go out for dinner (with loved ones or just the two of ud) or get food brought to us. Cooking is waste of time. She rather makes money or relaxes instead. Movies, nah waste of time and money and possible chance of idiots in the cinema, i rather buy the blueray. Friends, nah they cost money or waste time (rinse repeat).
Playing 24 hours a day, imposible since you need to make a living to be able to spend money.
Whales dont like to waste time, time is the most expensive commodity. Wasting it is the most stupid thing you can do.
I dont question your way of living, you shouldnt question mine.

dodgehopper_ESO

The title would have been funnier if you had said they HARPOONED the Whale. :P

dazee

Kalgert wrote: »

I feel sad that you are so willing to call yourself a "Whale" (The derogative term made by the Triple A industry to call the people who spend a lot of money on a game). Get some dignity back, man!

However, I do agree that the monetization tactics that are being used and implemented seem to be much more orientated towards trying to squeeze money out of people.

I remember a time when cosmetic items were unlocks that you got through playing the game. Nowadays, this seems much more of a foreign concept. Now it's all about those live services and lootboxes and ***.

And the worst part is, people are perfectly okay with this.

Yeah also businesses need to realize that chasing the whale as a business strategy is doomed to failure since those without the money to spend huge amounts on the game will simply find the game no longer meeting their needs and leave. then the "Whales" who make up a tiny portion of the population, will no longer have enough people to play with.

hexnotic

N/A

Charliff1966

Orange_Islands31 wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Because those items you mention are tangible items. Those sports cards still hold value should you wish to recoup your money in some capacity. In game items are made from fresh air. Tangible items and in game items aren't comparable in any way. You never actually own anything you buy in game. One exists, the other is only available to you until the people selling them decide to close down the servers, which will happen. Then what are you left with?

What are you left with after going out for dinner, hollidays, movies?

@Charliff1966 Yet another awful analogy that gets banded about here. Eating out, going to the movies etc have zero to do with gaming. Good luck building memories and keeping family and friend relationships together if all you do is sit and face 4 walls every day. Eating out, going to the movies, holidays etc are usually social events that allow us to do just that, to socialise, build memories and evolve relationships. If all you and your wife/husband/partner/kids care about is sitting facing a screen all day, for 365 days of the year, for every waking moment, then that's your prerogative if that's how your relationships with those people work. However, most relationships need more.

You have 1 more analogy left, pizzanomics.

Your choice, still no reason to question whales. Most whales spend time with loved ones. Heck my wife doesnt cook so we either go out for dinner (with loved ones or just the two of ud) or get food brought to us. Cooking is waste of time. She rather makes money or relaxes instead. Movies, nah waste of time and money, i rather buy the blueray. Friends, nah they cost money or waste time (rinse repeat).
Playing 24 hours a day, imposible since you need to make a living to be able to spend money.
Whales dont like to waste time, time is the most expensive commodity. Wasting it is the most stupid thing you can do.
I dont question your way of living, you shouldnt question mine.

Many fair points made in this post. Time = money. There's no way around it. Time is all we have.

That being said, spending real money on riding lessons, assistants, crafting utility, race change, and inventory all make sense. Let's just make the game pay to win (I AM KIDDING). I wish there was more sensible options in the crown store, but majority is frivolous junk that a lot of us regret purchasing. Buyer's remorse is something that the buyer must learn from, so that they can make better buying decisions in the future. It is an expensive lesson that teaches us to be more careful, and skeptical of companies asking for our money. Perhaps we should be thanking ZOS for teaching us this valuable yet painful lesson?

That i agree on. There should be stuff in the store for everybody. Heck more stuff from the store should be in the game. Make a long questline with an apex mount as a reward. Put houses in the store and also buyable with in game gold. All people playing should be included in game and in the store. In the end we are all gamers.

heaven13

Orange_Islands31 wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Because those items you mention are tangible items. Those sports cards still hold value should you wish to recoup your money in some capacity. In game items are made from fresh air. Tangible items and in game items aren't comparable in any way. You never actually own anything you buy in game. One exists, the other is only available to you until the people selling them decide to close down the servers, which will happen. Then what are you left with?

What are you left with after going out for dinner, hollidays, movies?

@Charliff1966 Yet another awful analogy that gets banded about here. Eating out, going to the movies etc have zero to do with gaming. Good luck building memories and keeping family and friend relationships together if all you do is sit and face 4 walls every day. Eating out, going to the movies, holidays etc are usually social events that allow us to do just that, to socialise, build memories and evolve relationships. If all you and your wife/husband/partner/kids care about is sitting facing a screen all day, for 365 days of the year, for every waking moment, then that's your prerogative if that's how your relationships with those people work. However, most relationships need more.

You have 1 more analogy left, pizzanomics.

Your choice, still no reason to question whales. Most whales spend time with loved ones. Heck my wife doesnt cook so we either go out for dinner (with loved ones or just the two of ud) or get food brought to us. Cooking is waste of time. She rather makes money or relaxes instead. Movies, nah waste of time and money, i rather buy the blueray. Friends, nah they cost money or waste time (rinse repeat).
Playing 24 hours a day, imposible since you need to make a living to be able to spend money.
Whales dont like to waste time, time is the most expensive commodity. Wasting it is the most stupid thing you can do.
I dont question your way of living, you shouldnt question mine.

Many fair points made in this post. Time = money. There's no way around it. Time is all we have.

That being said, spendinh real money on riding lessons, assistants, crafting utility, race change, and inventory all make sense. I wish there was more sensible options in the crown store, but majority is frivolous junk that a lot of us regret purchasing. Buyer's remorse is something that the buyer must learn from, so that they can make better buying decisions in the future. It is an expensive lesson that teaches us to be more careful, and skeptical of companies asking for our money. Perhaps we should be thanking ZOS for teaching us this valuable yet painful lesson?

I think the problem most people have with the store atm the moment are that a majority of the items are not convenience items. Everything you listed is and can be done in the game if you spend the time (stable once a day, make time to go to bank/merchant, wait on research timers, earn the writs/telvar to buy storage coffers in game, etc) and I honestly have no problems with those things. I might not want to spend my crowns on them because I don't mind taking the time in game, but I appreciate the option being there. Same with in-game houses that are offered for both gold or crowns.

Unfortunately, the majority of the store items these days cannot be obtained Any. Other. Way. They are expensive and, a lot of the times in addition to the already high cost, put behind RNG crates. When they're not in crates, they're usually 4 day limited items, like housing, for incredibly steep prices.

Limited sale items should be limited SALE, not limited offer. ZOS, I know you've got plenty of those Linchal/Esrtwhile/Grand Topal, etc, etc. They're still in the game. I can still visit the properties. Offer them for a discount at a limited time, then have them available after that for more crowns than what the sale price was (and by more, I still mean less than what they go for now because spending $100+ for a digital house is beyond ridiculous).

If everything in the shop could be earned in game and/or purchased directly for reasonable prices, customers would be a lot happier.

Sevn

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

I have to admit I’m a whale when it comes to cash shops in games. In most MMO’s I play I spend good amounts of euro’s to get those nice cosmetics. Furthermore I’m a collector and due to that whenever I see something I need to get it. [...]

you are the problem, not ZOS!


stop blaming a company for trying to make money or the way they do it (unless it's actually hurting people or the environment). if you are dumb enuf to throw money at them for pets, mounts, houses, cosmetics and all that useless and utterly pointless crap you deserve to be taken advantage of.
it's people like you why mmo's are this way today and developers seem to spend more time and resources on bunny ears for the ingame shop instead of real content, so you get to have that 9,99,-EUR thrill that last for 5 minutes.

This is overall a dumb comment considering this games a hobby for most of us. How is his spending any different than spending 4k euros on fishing equipment, sports cards, or any other hobby?

Because those items you mention are tangible items. Those sports cards still hold value should you wish to recoup your money in some capacity. In game items are made from fresh air. Tangible items and in game items aren't comparable in any way. You never actually own anything you buy in game. One exists, the other is only available to you until the people selling them decide to close down the servers, which will happen. Then what are you left with?

This simply isn't true as not everything one collects holds any monetary value whatsoever or holds its value over time, tangible or not.

Why insist what you deem worthy of spending funds on holds true for all? "Spending funds on this physical hobby is worthy because they are tangible items, but spending funds on gaming hobbies is silly because you can't sell them at a later date."

Most collectors I know have ZERO intentions on selling a single item in their collection. I know I know, they always have that option unlike digital items, but as a hobbyist I'd think you'd understand why another wouldn't blink an eye at his motivation. Or do you just game to waste time and not a gaming hobbyist in the least?

huntgod_ESO

I don't know that I would call myself a whale but I've spent $600+ since November when I came back.

Was intending to spend another $150-225 on a crown sale so I was stocked up and could pick up the princely palace, the 20% sale was not sufficient for me to make a crown purchase as the prices are already excessive and if I'm not purchasing crowns at a 50% discount, I can't really justify the expenditure.

Since the just put the Princely home up it is highly doubtful they will have a 50% sale in time for me to stock up and purchase so not only did they lost the discounted sale of crowns to me, but because of the timing of the house, I don't foresee any need for a large quantity of crowns in the near term, so it's unlikely I'd make the purchase now as the house will be unavailable for some indeterminate period.

So your uninspired crown sale cost you my purchases and thanks the the timing, likely any large purchases in the future.

Also got really burned on the RNG with the current crate chasing one of the Apex premium mounts, which I gave up on after 100 crates.

toxicpanda

I've also been spending a lot less on the game considering I can't collect everything anymore. Especially with the radiant apex mounts they added. And the fact theres so much they release so often on top of the crates that it's becoming too expensive. Either the items need to be made cheaper, crowns need to be made cheaper, or they need better sales. It's become ridiculous. In my opinion.

Arundo

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Yeah seems that way, ah well they dont care i guess. I'm just one customer but based on this thread there are more with a similar opinion (obvious trolls aside). I will still play the game as I like the game and will still buy some crowns whenever I find something really awesome.

Perhaps I will make another chart at the end of this year.

MadLarkin

See, I bought a copy of the Imperial Edition for both my wife and myself. We were very much enjoying it. We had both planned to get the DLC pack that was soon to be released, and probably would have spent some more money here and there. But then crown crates happened. And the overpriced housing that contained very little functionality. And the addition of chapters after a quiet change to the ESO+ terms. And the continued nickel and diming for every feature the game seems to have. So I stopped giving them my money after that initial purchase. I have no hesitation about doing so if I feel a business model is greedy. I have tons of games, and I will buy more, or a new POE supporter pack. At least with those I don't have to gamble for my cosmetics.