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Does anyone get annoyed that your hard earned gear becomes obsolete patch after patch?
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Beruge✭✭✭People complain about this every single patch.
Stop investing time in the game then - eventually servers will close and it will all be obsolete.
If people complain about 1 specific thing EVERY update. Maybe it is poorly run, and not the players fault?
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It is basically because they can't create content fast enough, so they make you grind the same stuff over and over again. Basically they are lazy. ZOS philosophy is "Its so much fun doing the same dungeon 300 times" and "how can we make kids addicted to gambling (crown crates)". They are horrible people and they sure love to censor
I'm pretty sure its not lazy. I guess they could pump out content a twice the rate if they wanted to, but it would cost twice as much. Would the majority of the player base want to pay twice as much?
Does the majority even get bored with the newest content long before the next one comes out?
It more a question of economics than laziness. I don't think I've yet seen an MMO that keeps up with the faster players.
It truly is laziness. They nerf BIS gear for the sake of nerfing, not because its overperforming. They reuse old content and buff *** sets so we grind the same stuff we have been grinding for ages. They try to make everything as cheap as possible and hassle kids with their gambling. I have been playing long enough to know they have no idea what they are doing. Nothing beats their "This is a USUAL long loading screen" and ofcourse when they fix it, they bring back the same bugs that was before the long loading screens happend, and it goes on forever
Well, if you think you're not getting value for money, you know what to do with it....
On BIS gear. I'm pretty sure that ZOS's stance is to NOT have BIS, and instead have all sets equal, (but different)... You're really only making it a problem by believing that BIS is the intended design.
Look, I work as a software engineer, and can assure you that it is one of the more undervalued, under-appreciated jobs out there with a culture of long hours, weekend work (for no pay) and on-call. They are expected to be technical experts, business experts, inventors, engineers, testers, organizers, leaders, firefighters and documentors. They never get praised or celebrated when their many releases go well, but are demonized the minute one goes wrong.
They have to be 3 times more productive than an indian/Chinese/Filipino developer to be viewed as cost-effective and are constantly working in fear of redundancy because their jobs can easily be shifted abroad.
I can assure you that with the rate they push content out, they are not lazy..
Edited by Biro123 on May 6, 2018 12:12PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭.Stinkyremy wrote: »I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)
Healers use SPC for close to three years now, since IC came out. So even if the new Set would replace it, which it isn't, after three years this would be acceptable I think.
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Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
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They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.2 -
Beruge✭✭✭
They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumptionMy youtube channel: Beruge Casualgaming0 -
Beruge✭✭✭It is basically because they can't create content fast enough, so they make you grind the same stuff over and over again. Basically they are lazy. ZOS philosophy is "Its so much fun doing the same dungeon 300 times" and "how can we make kids addicted to gambling (crown crates)". They are horrible people and they sure love to censor
I'm pretty sure its not lazy. I guess they could pump out content a twice the rate if they wanted to, but it would cost twice as much. Would the majority of the player base want to pay twice as much?
Does the majority even get bored with the newest content long before the next one comes out?
It more a question of economics than laziness. I don't think I've yet seen an MMO that keeps up with the faster players.
It truly is laziness. They nerf BIS gear for the sake of nerfing, not because its overperforming. They reuse old content and buff *** sets so we grind the same stuff we have been grinding for ages. They try to make everything as cheap as possible and hassle kids with their gambling. I have been playing long enough to know they have no idea what they are doing. Nothing beats their "This is a USUAL long loading screen" and ofcourse when they fix it, they bring back the same bugs that was before the long loading screens happend, and it goes on forever
Well, if you think you're not getting value for money, you know what to do with it....
On BIS gear. I'm pretty sure that ZOS's stance is to NOT have BIS, and instead have all sets equal, (but different)... You're really only making it a problem by believing that BIS is the intended design.
Look, I work as a software engineer, and can assure you that it is one of the more undervalued, under-appreciated jobs out there with a culture of long hours, weekend work (for no pay) and on-call. They are expected to be technical experts, business experts, inventors, engineers, testers, organizers, leaders, firefighters and documentors. They never get praised or celebrated when their many releases go well, but are demonized the minute one goes wrong.
They have to be 3 times more productive than an indian/Chinese/Filipino developer to be viewed as cost-effective and are constantly working in fear of redundancy because their jobs can easily be shifted abroad.
I can assure you that with the rate they push content out, they are not lazy..
They truly are. And they intend to make BIS gear, there is a reason we have trials, maelstrom and dragonstar arenaMy youtube channel: Beruge Casualgaming0 -
Aleris✭✭✭lol you should try some other mmo like after 4 months gear becomes actually obsolete because they raise the level.. XD.. thats' what i find so refreshing in eso actually.. that my gear is actually still viable.. maybe it got different attributes but still.. it's viable0
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They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumption
Which also happens to be the truth.3 -
Ilithyania✭✭✭✭✭before the transmute changes. yes
now it aint that hard to get the stuff you need imo. Feel alotta people give up on the CP grind however.PC1 -
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This, note that the new set is clearly better than SPC in perfected because an extra +magic bonus on 5th trait..Stinkyremy wrote: »I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)
Healers use SPC for close to three years now, since IC came out. So even if the new Set would replace it, which it isn't, after three years this would be acceptable I think.
But this require you doing an vet dlc trial while spc can be farmed in an normal dlc dungeon.
The inperfect version is better in trials settings there people stack up but not significantly soGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Beruge✭✭✭
They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumption
Which also happens to be the truth.
Except it is not, but whatever floats your boat.
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Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭That's how mmos work. So it's kinda meh but it's not like I'm really bothered.Here, have a chill pill 💊!1 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭All things will eventually become obsolete. It's the nature of the evolving world and time. I don't really follow whatever peeps proclaim to be meta for this game. Actually, there are like a handful of peeps claiming something different to be meta over the others; likewise what is supposedly BiS. I use whatever set/build that I like or works for me. For example.. for my 2H, I haven't found any non-crafted set to be better than Sword-Singer; sorry, not even VO. So, until something comes along that can throw out more juice, I have been fine with Sword-Singer for the past couple of years. Again, this is to me. Crafted sets have been the fluid ones. As with every new DLC, there seems to be interesting crafted sets. For my stams, different toon currently uses Shacklebreaker, MA or Axiom. Thus, it does make something like Hunding's or NMG obsolete. Well, I never used Hunding or NMG for the crafted set. Not that it isn't functional, neither appeals to me. However, if sticking with day 1 gears and sets works for you and you like, then, go with it.0 -
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✭✭whe other mmos release expanision every pieace of gear you have collected before becomes obsolete since level cap goes up. I have gear made 2 years ago and is still very good till now0 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
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They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumption
Which also happens to be the truth.
Except it is not, but whatever floats your boat.
More plausible than some conspiracy theory evolving around ZOS intentionally making new sets stronger than others (oh how horrible, they are giving us incentives to play the new content like any other game) - considering ZOS has shown lack of knowledge about the META when buffing/nerfing classes and sets over the history of the game.
Just because something new is 1 % more potent within certain aspects does not mean that what we had before will become completely useless. A proper raiding guild will not decline a good healer because they have SPC instead of X new set which is statistically 2 % better on certain fights.
- regards an ex-member of Hodor
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✭the reality is that this game has the best gear system. The opposite of the ops uninformed reactionary opinion to a recent change.
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Beruge✭✭✭
They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumption
Which also happens to be the truth.
Except it is not, but whatever floats your boat.
More plausible than some conspiracy theory evolving around ZOS intentionally making new sets stronger than others (oh how horrible, they are giving us incentives to play the new content like any other game) - considering ZOS has shown lack of knowledge about the META when buffing/nerfing classes and sets over the history of the game.
Just because something new is 1 % more potent within certain aspects does not mean that what we had before will become completely useless. A proper raiding guild will not decline a good healer because they have SPC instead of X new set which is statistically 2 % better on certain fights.
- regards an ex-member of Hodor
I truly believe you need to check up the definition of the word conspiracy theory, because you are using it wrong. And there is a distinct difference between giving incentive for playing new content and grinding old content. No one gives a *** of your proudness for being an ex member of a guildEdited by Beruge on May 6, 2018 2:36PMMy youtube channel: Beruge Casualgaming0 -
Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
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why would a set of gear become obsolete? i don't do 25k dps anymore with my favorite gear, i do 22k. wow
obsolete from patch to patch is in wow where it becomes truly obsolete, not 3% weakerEdited by ZOS_JesC on May 6, 2018 6:19PM-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube3 -
abigfishy✭✭✭✭✭You have no idea. Imagine every time they raised the CP max they also raised the CP max for gear. Every three months you would have to get every single piece of gear again. This is what it is like in a lot of MMOs. ESO is MUCH better!Level 50 Characters
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Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
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They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumption
Which also happens to be the truth.
Except it is not, but whatever floats your boat.
More plausible than some conspiracy theory evolving around ZOS intentionally making new sets stronger than others (oh how horrible, they are giving us incentives to play the new content like any other game) - considering ZOS has shown lack of knowledge about the META when buffing/nerfing classes and sets over the history of the game.
Just because something new is 1 % more potent within certain aspects does not mean that what we had before will become completely useless. A proper raiding guild will not decline a good healer because they have SPC instead of X new set which is statistically 2 % better on certain fights.
- regards an ex-member of Hodor
I truly believe you need to check up the definition of the word conspiracy theory, because you are using it wrong. And there is a distinct difference between giving incentive for playing new content and grinding old content. No one gives a *** of your proudness for being an ex member of a guild
The conspiracy I was referring to is the thought of there being some elaborate plan within ZOS to purposely make previous gathered gear "useless" or upcoming gear "overpowered" in order to keep us playing - which is just speculation and often used at an attempt to rationalize any critique aimed towards them as developers.
I don't really see a reason to touch more upon this since you know what I mean and you're just initiating a semantic discussion on my choise of words to plant discredit. English is not my first language - we can continue this discussion in Danish if you prefer.
I mentioned my previous affiliation with Hodor to give credit to my last remark - it has nothing to do with pride.
If you think having been in Hodor means nothing in regard to knowledge on end game raiding just because we disagree on a related subject then I truly don't see any sense in trying to reason any further with you.
Edited by Zinaroth on May 6, 2018 5:13PM4 -
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Olen_Mikko✭✭✭✭✭
✭My NB Healer has been the same from One Tamriel. Still can do any content, solo most of the stuff etc.
So unless you're meta-fanboy, that only cares about being top 1 %, there's no need to chase the ever-changing meta builds.NB enthusiastic:- Woodhippie stamblade - DW hard-hitter / PvE
- Know-it-all elf Magblade - Healer / PvE & PvP
- Hate-them-all elf Magblade - Destrostaff AoE monster / PvE
- Cyrodiil-Refugee stamblade - Stamina Tank / PvE
Go dominion or go home
Nightblade-Hipster. I played Nightblade before it was cool - from 1.5 onwards.0 -
Beruge✭✭✭
They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumption
Which also happens to be the truth.
Except it is not, but whatever floats your boat.
More plausible than some conspiracy theory evolving around ZOS intentionally making new sets stronger than others (oh how horrible, they are giving us incentives to play the new content like any other game) - considering ZOS has shown lack of knowledge about the META when buffing/nerfing classes and sets over the history of the game.
Just because something new is 1 % more potent within certain aspects does not mean that what we had before will become completely useless. A proper raiding guild will not decline a good healer because they have SPC instead of X new set which is statistically 2 % better on certain fights.
- regards an ex-member of Hodor
I truly believe you need to check up the definition of the word conspiracy theory, because you are using it wrong. And there is a distinct difference between giving incentive for playing new content and grinding old content. No one gives a *** of your proudness for being an ex member of a guild
The conspiracy I was referring to is the thought of there being some elaborate plan within ZOS to purposely make previous gathered gear "useless" or upcoming gear "overpowered" in order to keep us playing - which is just speculation and often used at an attempt to rationalize any critique aimed towards them as developers.
I don't really see a reason to touch more upon this since you know what I mean and you're just initiating a semantic discussion on my choise of words to plant discredit. English is not my first language - we can continue this discussion in Danish if you prefer.
I mentioned my previous affiliation with Hodor to give credit to my last remark - it has nothing to do with pride.
If you think having been in Hodor means nothing in regard to knowledge on end game raiding just because we disagree on a related subject then I truly don't see any sense in trying to reason any further with you.
I guess if you payed attention over time you see hiw ZOS behaves. A simple example is when they wanted us to use proc sets, and introduced a ton, before they nerfed them in the next patch, or even when everyone ran dmg sets and so they nerfed sustain. ZOS is changing the meta with every patch. And yes they intend to make us grind the old content again and again, hence why they changed the drops of sets in the dungeons in the past. Regardless when it comes to hodor, none of value needs ro explain who they are. But you are right, it's the subject we disagree on. It is not personal.My youtube channel: Beruge Casualgaming0 -
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Yes, SPC has not become worse, we got an new set who work the same and is better in many settings, not all, AS or other split up or mobile fights its worse.Stinkyremy wrote: »I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)
Thats not true at all, SPC can hit anyone wherever they are, and can be applied without any thought with mutagen. The new set only hits a very small aoe, meaning that unless the group is very tightly stacked they will have to move through it to get the buff. Both sets will still have uses.
In particular SPC will still be better in AS, where the group cant stack very tightly.
NMG on the other hand is destroyed as an DD set.
Yeah they didn't nerf sunder/nmg.They mutilated it.Adjusting the tooltip numbers would have been a better solution.Edited by MehrunesFlagon on May 6, 2018 6:05PM0 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
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They don't even know what they're asking, they're just complaining - and it's not very representing of the general opinion since it's just a minority of the player base with inherent tendencies to be unsatisfied with whatever product they engage with.
And that is your assumption
Which also happens to be the truth.
Except it is not, but whatever floats your boat.
More plausible than some conspiracy theory evolving around ZOS intentionally making new sets stronger than others (oh how horrible, they are giving us incentives to play the new content like any other game) - considering ZOS has shown lack of knowledge about the META when buffing/nerfing classes and sets over the history of the game.
Just because something new is 1 % more potent within certain aspects does not mean that what we had before will become completely useless. A proper raiding guild will not decline a good healer because they have SPC instead of X new set which is statistically 2 % better on certain fights.
- regards an ex-member of Hodor
I truly believe you need to check up the definition of the word conspiracy theory, because you are using it wrong. And there is a distinct difference between giving incentive for playing new content and grinding old content. No one gives a *** of your proudness for being an ex member of a guild
The conspiracy I was referring to is the thought of there being some elaborate plan within ZOS to purposely make previous gathered gear "useless" or upcoming gear "overpowered" in order to keep us playing - which is just speculation and often used at an attempt to rationalize any critique aimed towards them as developers.
I don't really see a reason to touch more upon this since you know what I mean and you're just initiating a semantic discussion on my choise of words to plant discredit. English is not my first language - we can continue this discussion in Danish if you prefer.
I mentioned my previous affiliation with Hodor to give credit to my last remark - it has nothing to do with pride.
If you think having been in Hodor means nothing in regard to knowledge on end game raiding just because we disagree on a related subject then I truly don't see any sense in trying to reason any further with you.
I guess if you payed attention over time you see hiw ZOS behaves. A simple example is when they wanted us to use proc sets, and introduced a ton, before they nerfed them in the next patch, or even when everyone ran dmg sets and so they nerfed sustain. ZOS is changing the meta with every patch. And yes they intend to make us grind the old content again and again, hence why they changed the drops of sets in the dungeons in the past. Regardless when it comes to hodor, none of value needs ro explain who they are. But you are right, it's the subject we disagree on. It is not personal.
I think it's more like:
ZOS designed proc sets because they're a cool concept - then realized how potent they were.
They then had to nerf them to make other sets viable.
ZOS saw how everyone was running damage sets and sustain (which they also want to be a consideration) wasn't something you needed to worry about in PvE - as such they nerfed sustain to make more sets viable and not just a handful.
Not sure what you mean by changed the drops of sets in dungeons.
I agree that the META changed every patch - it's unavoidable with changes and balancing and changes are needed. That is the very reasoning for applying patches.
I don't think it is some ellaborate scheme more like ZOS just following the flow of throwing stuff out there (sometimes with alarmingly little knowledge or care) to see how everything turns out - and then they act accordingly (or at least what they find accordingly).
I give ZOS even less credit than you, because where you think this is all pre-planned I think it's just a sign of them not always seeing the bigger picture.
But then again, I think re-investing people into the game once in a while is a good thing and keeps the game from going stagnant where others want to be able to quit the game and then come back two years later and find their character is still just as potent as it was back then, with people who have continued playing during that time not being at an advantage. This is not healthy for an MMORPG and does not keep people invested or encouraged to keep coming back, but is sadly how it has been for most part of the game.
On my Stamplar I am still using the Vicious Ophidian gear I gathered... What?... Three years ago? Coupled with the Hunding's Rage set I crafted at the same time - and I can still compete on DPS.
So for the people who don't want to re-farm and re-upgrade gear I don't see the issue really with a couple of new sets being introduced once in a while with a little more potency - in fact I am of the belief that the game's gearing system is too stagnant when I can keep using the same gear for so many years without having to develop it.
Character progression - whether through your skill level, your gear stats or your character growth, is adamant to MMORPGs and I think ESO is falling rather short on that for long term players.
I think continuous cycles of gearing up your character is a good thing - the question however is how often; and that is up to preference.
For me three years, or two and a half or however long it has been, is too long.
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✭✭✭Way i see it acuity will still be bis for skilled stam and mag
Hundings and julianos will still be bis for those who cant maximize rotations
Automaton will be bis for nitch players
Vo/moondancer/ifalliable/trial set will fill in the blanks
So other than 2h being an option nothing really changes
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✭✭✭What?
ESO is probably the MMO least likely to need a gear change every time new content is released, yes there are extreme edge cases but for most any old junk will do much the same job today as it did last year or the year before
(Yes I know NMG is getting nerfed, so there will be some needing to look at it)
Try SWTOR where every year you need new gear (and 5 more levels) to just get back to where you were the day before the content dropped!“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
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✭I've been in Hundings + VO for a good 8 months. I was at about 19k dps on the skeleton when I got the gold jewelry. With zero gear changes, I just hit 29.3k DPS. No, not even close to what some of the better players pull but a huge improvement just from practicing.
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