Does anyone get annoyed that your hard earned gear becomes obsolete patch after patch?

Tandor

Blutengel wrote: »

This happens in almost every mmo.

And for good reason. You can't expect people to continue playing a game for years on end with no changes or challenges in terms of advancement of both character and gear. Some players - some new to MMOs, others convinced that the only valid part of a MMO is "endgame" - fail to appreciate that these games are not intended to be "finished" in weeks or even months.

They soon complain if there is nothing more to do once they hit "endgame". Yet as soon as a developer gives them more things to do, such as improving their existing gear, they complain about that too !

klowdy1

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, seriously.... ESO's really really light in that regard, compared to nearly every other MMO. It's not like the level cap increases and you literally have to replace everything.

Or the five raids you progress though in WoW. It is guaranteed as the story progresses, your gear will need to be replaced/upgraded. I like the gear hunt for the most part. I always feel a sense of progression when obtaining new gear, ever since playing FF2 back when I was a kid.

Runefang

Look at all these non-meta hipsters.... Good for you.

Stam classes have nothing to worry about. Most should have a full damage set up anyway, now that's all they need to run and switch to Lover.

Healers have barely changed in years, though Jorvulds is slowly growing in popularity.

xmadragex

Aliyavana wrote: »

No, pc players whom have been exposed to mmos longer are already used to the gear grind, nerfs, etc.

god i played games like lineage 2 in the past just getting a recipe or a rare mat for a top gear could take years, grind is part of mmog and always will lol

XiDiabolismiX

That’s the name of the game! Keeps you constantly farming and playing the content!

Would get stale being able to use the same set for years... *cough* spc *cough*

DanteYoda

Aliyavana wrote: »

No, pc players whom have been exposed to mmos longer are already used to the gear grind, nerfs, etc.

I have to say i disagree with you.. i've been playing mmorpgs for almost 20 years now and the nerfing crap still annoys me..

exeeter702

nursingninja wrote: »

With jewelry crafting I'll be able to exit the grind for good.

Oh you sweet summer child.....

exeeter702

Arreyanne wrote: »

Every game with this type of progression system, Vertical, Has the gear merry go round. If you've played any MMO you should have known this

Eso doesnt function on a traditional vertical progression system found in most mmos. The drastic shifts that occur are not nearly as frequent compared to standard ilvl increases (which we havent seen since 2015).

Eyro

I don’t really. Most my equip might go from being optimal to being a step down, but I’ve never had gear get so broken in a patch I stopped using it right away.

But really in this game if I wasn’t farming gear long term I’m not sure what I would be doing. Motifs are ok I guess. I do housing a little. But most the stuff I would normally farm long term in an mmo, mounts/pets are in the crown store. So there is no farming for them. So without the desire to change gear from time to time, I’m not sure what I would do.

MRusso89

I've been using Necropotence for the past year and it's still awesome. No gear nerfing from my perspective lol.

josiahva

No, because I don't chase the meta. Its only occasionally that patches hurt gear I use in my builds. Stop chasing the meta and its not much of an issue.

Sylosi

What else do you expect, I hate to break it to you but the actual gameplay of PvE in MMORPGs is simply not very good, I mean it is fine if you are casual, a roleplayer, etc, but if you play a reasonable amount then the gameplay simply does not stand up (doing a dungeon for the umpteenth time is not quality gameplay for most people), in the way people can play say Starcraft 2 for years on pretty much the gameplay alone, because it has a depth and skill cap that makes PvE gameplay in MMORPGs look laughable, which is why most MMORPGs have some sort of grind, it is a substitute for gameplay in a genre where the gameplay is lacking.

Asardes

I've used those sets a lot, and I'm not that upset they'll become useful for the current characters. I will simply move them to characters that can make good use of them in the future.

#1 Sunderflame weapons & jewelry will stay on my Stamina DK, since you don't always have a stamina Templar in trial group
#2 Sunderflame weapons & jewelry will stay on the Stamina Sorcerer, although that character hasn't become active
#1 Night Mother's Gaze armor will be transferred from my Stamina DK to my stamina sorcerer, quite good for solo
#2 Night Mother daggers & armor pieces will be transferred from Stamina NB to my stamina Templar, though that character hasn't become active at this point

There are plenty of sets that have become redundant over the years and have been moved to 2nd line characters, or 1st line characters that fulfill non-trial roles. For example my Sorcerer has received the old Willow's Path tanking set I was using on my DK, the NB got Tava's after better things came along, and as of CWC patch he's the only one who can use it. Rarely have I deconstructed a gear set. One of the few pieces that will be recycled are a pair of Julianos epaulets since Magicka can now go with 2 x 5 piece sets and 2 piece monster sets.

As for more general setups, which are not optimal in every situation, but are quite close to being optimal for most applications, I simply chose to use
- on stamina 5 Hunding's Rage or Briarheart or Automaton or Mechanical Acuity (will replace NMG on NB) with 5 Vicious Ophidian or 5 Two-Fanged Serpent and a monster set.
- on magicka 5 Julianos or 5 BSW (only on DK currently) + 4 Infallible Mage or 4 Moondancer (same results) with a monster set; and those setups will become even stronger since the staff will count as 2 pieces, so I will be able to use the 5th piece as well without changing anything.
So besides the change to stamina support sets that made them "obsolete" nothing really changes for me. CP will change, maybe I will change mundus from Warrior to Lover on stamina if not wearing a TFS, I will probably change the rotation a bit, but those are changes that you can do in a fortnight if you know how the game works, and you already have a large selection of dropped gear, and you can craft all sets.

I don't get "tunnel vision" while running content, so I keep a lot of sets that look interesting, but are not quite "meta". I've had quite a few pleasant surprises over the years, when the majority came to be incorporated in some builds.

Odnoc

Doesn't bother me, I play what I find fun, not the Meta... Perhaps you're doing it wrong?

ragingruby1991

I’m glad that my go-to sets haven’t really been tampered with.

I have been using Julianos-Willpower-Monster Set and Hundings-Agility-Monster Set on every toon since I started playing 3 years ago. Those combos have never let me down and they can tackle pretty much any content I care to do.

They aren’t the most optimal, but I’ve landed on vMA leaderboards and comlpleted vet trials just fine with them.

Meta chasing is just too much of a gold sink for me now that I have kids and a full time job lol.

Shadowmaster

Stinkyremy wrote: »

As the title says, we grind and farm for gear, make a build for high level content, next update the gear is made obsolete, been nerfed or is just out performed in the "meta"
it's like a merry go round of farming, grinding over and over.

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

Bro I literally have every meta set for both stam/magicka in full gold I legit don't want to hear this is new.

It's been a problem since before people were pulling trials gear.

josiahva

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

As the title says, we grind and farm for gear, make a build for high level content, next update the gear is made obsolete, been nerfed or is just out performed in the "meta"
it's like a merry go round of farming, grinding over and over.

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

Bro I literally have every meta set for both stam/magicka in full gold I legit don't want to hear this is new.

It's been a problem since before people were pulling trials gear.

Its only a problem because people chase the meta...everyone plays the same builds so much that certain flavor of the month builds start to show as being OP compared to others...so they nerf them. If people would actually play their own builds this really wouldnt be an issue at all...but when everyone plays the same thing the nerfs will continue...playing the meta is a SURE WAY to get your sets nerfed.

Whats more annoying to me is when the meta catches up with a build I am playing...like the shield spamming tank build...the meta caught up to me...and then nerfed a build I was happily playing a year before it went mainstream into the ground...then the meta moved on and left my build so much weaker. I still play it because it is my build and has been for years, but the difference is noticeable

waitwhat

This is another reason to not chase the meta as hard, but to make your own, or at least make sure you're having fun doing it.

Also, I wouldn't call NMG hard-earned, and while 16 temps is a lot for a starting player, for someone who's in a position to chase the meta again post patch, it's a doable expenditure.

Another way to look at these changes is that they will fee up set spots for other sets that are now viable.

Sygil05

No, because in almost every case, the gear I'm wearing is not obsolete. It may no longer be BIS, but it's still serviceable. Most of the time, it seems like the only people with this concern are the ones that jump on to the flavor of the month build (typically dependent on some proc'd set), and now find that their cookie cutter killing machine is no longer so easy to play.

Danksta

Stinkyremy wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

Rare image of "Me" trying to understand what the OP means about my gear being obsolete next patch.
P.S I played the PTS.

Well it happens all the time, maybe you just dont understand, but as the OP suggests, look at sunder and NMG changes.
nerfed into debuffs that any stamplar will have already as well as poisons and a few morphs have. Or SPC having a "better version" coming, giving the same buff that SPC gives, but better...

So those sets just became viable this update?? Pretty sure SPC has been the meta since it came out. How long ago was that again? Sunder and NMG have both been part of the meta for a long time. I've had my NMG for nearly two years.

EldritchPenguin

Beruge wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

People complain about this every single patch.
Stop investing time in the game then - eventually servers will close and it will all be obsolete.

If people complain about 1 specific thing EVERY update. Maybe it is poorly run, and not the players fault?

It's impossible to please everyone with an update. No matter what they change, somebody is going to complain about it. So even if things are poorly run, the fact that people complain about it isn't necessarily a sign of that.

Merlin13KAGL

The inventory hell associated with it is far more irritating than the gear grind is, tbh.

Sevn

Isn't that the price one pays playing the meta? I stopped playing the meta game in games a long long time ago and gaming has never been more enjoyable for me.

aeowulf

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The inventory hell associated with it is far more irritating than the gear grind is, tbh.

so true

ghwaite

TBH this time, I get to shake the dust off old gear and use it again.

Astrid

DoctorESO wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

As the title says, we grind and farm for gear, make a build for high level content, next update the gear is made obsolete, been nerfed or is just out performed in the "meta"
it's like a merry go round of farming, grinding over and over.

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

OCEANS RISE.

CITIES FALL.

THE LAW OF JULIANOS REMAINS.

Bigevilpeter

yeah Im never golding any armor again, its not even an observable diffrence in stats, its just for perfectionists and I'm not

Aren_Liore

Am I the only one that actually wants the gear level to go up? Its been 160 for years. and honestly I'm sick of seeing rubedite and ancestor silk.

The gear grind doesn't bother me because like a lot of people I don't chase meta. I do a lot of unusual builds and I'm picked last for trials and such but I have a ton of fun and can hold my own. A gear level increase would actually make me get off my butt and get to work and that would be welcome at this point.

Rawkan

You're playing the wrong genre.

Akuma_no_Tsubasa

Stinkyremy wrote: »

As the title says, we grind and farm for gear, make a build for high level content, next update the gear is made obsolete, been nerfed or is just out performed in the "meta"
it's like a merry go round of farming, grinding over and over.

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

So you want to farm your gear on the first day of a new game and sit on your very same gear for the next 5-15 years of the games lifespan ?
Then you are the first to cry on new content "boo I don't get anything new or stronger"