Does anyone get annoyed that your hard earned gear becomes obsolete patch after patch?

Luigi_Vampa

SPC has been BiS ever since it was added to the game. It is about time that something else rivals it. People act like meta gear changes every week. Healers have been wearing the same few sets for ages now.

Kel

Here's the thing with following the meta...it's for the top 1% who are after the top leaderboard scores. That 1% isn't everyone, yet everyone acts like it is....so many 1%ers in these forums...
It's fine, more than fine, to want to do your best and try to do what the 1% do. Reach for those stars! But to think your gear is going to trash is just silly. You might have to make slight adjustments, but that happens in every single MMO out there...this is far from being new.
Can we all stop thinking we are the 1%? That's where changes are going to be felt. You'll still be fine running your dungeons and trials. Will some changes be made? Yes. There always are. Get used to it...

Rohamad_Ali

I hate regrinding gear . However because it happens so often the old never becomes obsolete so save it . Some patches rebuff old sets .

Tasear

It's not even making spc obselete just will depend on situation. I don't see people or pugs stacking well for the new set. Still nice have more options.

DoctorESO

Stinkyremy wrote: »

As the title says, we grind and farm for gear, make a build for high level content, next update the gear is made obsolete, been nerfed or is just out performed in the "meta"
it's like a merry go round of farming, grinding over and over.

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

OCEANS RISE.

CITIES FALL.

THE LAW OF JULIANOS REMAINS.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

My equipment is never made obsolete. Don't chase the meta, and you won't be in the crosshairs.

Can't become obsolete if it was always obsolete.

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

Thats not true at all, SPC can hit anyone wherever they are, and can be applied without any thought with mutagen. The new set only hits a very small aoe, meaning that unless the group is very tightly stacked they will have to move through it to get the buff. Both sets will still have uses.

In particular SPC will still be better in AS, where the group cant stack very tightly.

afaik the new set procs off of aoe heals, so the massive ritual of retribution is fine enough. Or the bread and butter healer skill, healing springs.

The new set procs off of any ground based ablity, even endless hail.

Ragged_Claw

My sets aren't obsolete, they are fashionably retro.



(Models are wearing, Julianos, Spriggans and Dreugh King)

zaria

Tyrobag wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

Thats not true at all, SPC can hit anyone wherever they are, and can be applied without any thought with mutagen. The new set only hits a very small aoe, meaning that unless the group is very tightly stacked they will have to move through it to get the buff. Both sets will still have uses.

In particular SPC will still be better in AS, where the group cant stack very tightly.

Yes, SPC has not become worse, we got an new set who work the same and is better in many settings, not all, AS or other split up or mobile fights its worse.

NMG on the other hand is destroyed as an DD set.

Pixel_Zealot

I personally don't mind at all. I used to lose my *** after every patch that made my current builds obsolete.

But I realised, getting the gear and mastering your role is half the fun. With the transmute stations, the intermediate-gear isn't as RNG as it used to be. I have a char of every class in case one get's nerfhammered to death, *cough cough* Magplar *cough*.

So no, not really.

Bbsample197

BiS gear? what BiS? the BiS gears in this game is pretty much non existent, you can get almos the same amount of DPS even if youre wearing an easy to aquire set like hundings, julianos, willpower etc... i honestly wont bother griding VMA or Trial gears for the sake of killing the boss 10 seconds faster

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

NMG changes are downright amazing for my stamsorc. I have always been struggling to reliably put major fracture on enemies.

I already equipped him with my gold NMG - i am that excited.

NupidStoob

No, because gear isn't "hard earned". Ever since transmutation was added getting the gear you want has become incredibly trivial. Remember when weapons in the right traits could cost 300-500k gold if you didn't want to grind 20 hours for them.

The only thing that is still a challenge to get is some gold jewellery as well as the perfected AS weapons.


Like others have pointed out gear doesn't become obsolete either.

essi2

Welcome to the MMORPG gameplay loop.

Wayshuba

Stinkyremy wrote: »

As the title says, we grind and farm for gear, make a build for high level content, next update the gear is made obsolete, been nerfed or is just out performed in the "meta"
it's like a merry go round of farming, grinding over and over.

I feel sorry for all the stam DDs farming sunder, or spending mats creating NMG for it to be trash next patch (nerf), pretty much the same for SPC from what I have been told (new trial gear outperforms it)

If you have played any other MMOs it is pretty much a staple of them so it shouldn't bother most. With ESO, at least you don't have the escalating level climb that automatically cancels current gear. Most sets you previously collected will still work with builds in current content it is just that new meta to squeak out what you want (mainly extra DPS) is what will drive you to newer sets.

aaisoaho

Most of the Meta/BiS gear are for optimized groups, which many of the vet dungeon groups are not, so I will use strong sets -> no need to regrind. My stam sorc has sets like Hundings rage, NMG (will leave it to gather some dust), TFS, VO, Kragh and Velidreth. I pull average "good" dps. Usually the gear I wear depends on the group, do we have enough penetration? Do we have additional sustain trough synergies? How's our survivability?

Arreyanne

Every game with this type of progression system, Vertical, Has the gear merry go round. If you've played any MMO you should have known this

Silver_Strider

After playing FFXIV and getting used to 6 month periods in which gear is relevant before the patch destroys gear, I'm honestly fine with the snails pace ESO has in regards to gear deaths, although admittedly, I have been wishing for SPC to die off entirely and not be replaces with a situationally better clone.

Stinkyremy

Sting864 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

No, pc players whom have been exposed to mmos longer are already used to the gear grind, nerfs, etc.

I've been in ESO since 2013, and never had to grind...
If by "obsolete" the OP means "not BiS" then thank you devs for changing-up the game...
This "no-longer BiS" gear allows the new BiS gear to be gained through continued play....

I mean obselete a

jabrone77 wrote: »

Here's the thing with following the meta...it's for the top 1% who are after the top leaderboard scores. That 1% isn't everyone, yet everyone acts like it is....so many 1%ers in these forums...
It's fine, more than fine, to want to do your best and try to do what the 1% do. Reach for those stars! But to think your gear is going to trash is just silly. You might have to make slight adjustments, but that happens in every single MMO out there...this is far from being new.
Can we all stop thinking we are the 1%? That's where changes are going to be felt. You'll still be fine running your dungeons and trials. Will some changes be made? Yes. There always are. Get used to it...

I'm not even a meta chasing meta wh@re. Tbh, I am a tank main, none of my gear will be changed in the next update.
In norm trials or norm/vet dungeons I can wear whatever I want, but in vet trials it is "demanded" of me to wear meta sets. I don't like it, it is just how it is. In fact wearing ebon, alkosh, tourogs gimps me! It helps the team yes, but it puts me at a massive disadvantage as a tank,
I would rather use akaviri dragon for pretty much infinite sustain.
Even meta skills, like warhorn, gimps me, I would prefer not to use them, but again, it is demanded of me to do high level content.
As I have been told because I was reluctant to have to chase after meta sets, "it's not about what is good for you it is what is the best for the team"
In vet trials, specifically the harder non craglorn trials, or craglorn hard modes, you need to be optimized to clear the content.
For me it isn't about score or leaderboards (though I have had a few leaderboard spots, free gear and mats are always nice) it is about clearing the content in an economical and timely fashion.
That only happens through and organized team, with economical builds "meta" that makes everything run smooth.

Like it or not, this is just how the game is.

NoTimeToWait

I don't care about gear becoming obsolete because I play obsolete classes. When at least some of my char classes became somewhat representative in PVE endgame, I would probably start to whine about gear. But right now I whine about classes.

Biro123

I don't understand the frustration.

As a pvper I find it interesting an a good opportunity to come up with and experiment with new builds.
But as a pvper I hate having to go back to farming PVE content for stuff.

I don't understand why a pve player would be unhappy with doing pve for new stuff. That's what endgame in mmos are all about, right? If not for this, wouldn't you eventually get bored with running the same gear for years, taking newbies through the same 2 or 3 dungeons to gear up, ignoring all others?
Surely change is good to shake things up a bit?

Princess_Ciri

as a healer my gear hasn't changed for over two years.

Beruge

It is basically because they can't create content fast enough, so they make you grind the same stuff over and over again. Basically they are lazy. ZOS philosophy is "Its so much fun doing the same dungeon 300 times" and "how can we make kids addicted to gambling (crown crates)". They are horrible people and they sure love to censor

Prof_Bawbag

It's why i only gold weapons. I know some folk who run trials and do well on the leader boards who only wear blue gear and their purple is because it has dropped in that quality.

Nestor

Hmm, since Patch 1.6, more so since One Tamriel, my gear never really changes all that much with each update. Anything I stopped using was crafted anyway. So I have added more dropped sets now as collecting them is feasible post 1.6.

The difference between a solid combo of gear and best in slot is usually not all that much.

Hurbster

I'm pretty much wearing the same gear that I had when I hit cp160 when Wrothgar came out. Bit of Julianos, bit of seducer, willpower jewellery and I'm fine.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Princess_Ciri wrote: »

as a healer my gear hasn't changed for over two years.

Pretty much this. Have had on the same jerkin for so long at this point, the smell must be redonkulouis. It is nice to finally have an option to SPC, even if it is locked behind a trial.

Stinkyremy

Hurbster wrote: »

I'm pretty much wearing the same gear that I had when I hit cp160 when Wrothgar came out. Bit of Julianos, bit of seducer, willpower jewellery and I'm fine.

Thats a good combo imo. not trial meta but still great.

Biro123

Beruge wrote: »

It is basically because they can't create content fast enough, so they make you grind the same stuff over and over again. Basically they are lazy. ZOS philosophy is "Its so much fun doing the same dungeon 300 times" and "how can we make kids addicted to gambling (crown crates)". They are horrible people and they sure love to censor

I'm pretty sure its not lazy. I guess they could pump out content a twice the rate if they wanted to, but it would cost twice as much. Would the majority of the player base want to pay twice as much?

Does the majority even get bored with the newest content long before the next one comes out?

It more a question of economics than laziness. I don't think I've yet seen an MMO that keeps up with the faster players.

Zinaroth

People complain about this every single patch.
Stop investing time in the game then - eventually servers will close and it will all be obsolete.

Beruge

Biro123 wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

It is basically because they can't create content fast enough, so they make you grind the same stuff over and over again. Basically they are lazy. ZOS philosophy is "Its so much fun doing the same dungeon 300 times" and "how can we make kids addicted to gambling (crown crates)". They are horrible people and they sure love to censor

I'm pretty sure its not lazy. I guess they could pump out content a twice the rate if they wanted to, but it would cost twice as much. Would the majority of the player base want to pay twice as much?

Does the majority even get bored with the newest content long before the next one comes out?

It more a question of economics than laziness. I don't think I've yet seen an MMO that keeps up with the faster players.

It truly is laziness. They nerf BIS gear for the sake of nerfing, not because its overperforming. They reuse old content and buff *** sets so we grind the same stuff we have been grinding for ages. They try to make everything as cheap as possible and hassle kids with their gambling. I have been playing long enough to know they have no idea what they are doing. Nothing beats their "This is a USUAL long loading screen" and ofcourse when they fix it, they bring back the same bugs that was before the long loading screens happend, and it goes on forever