Magblade dominating 70.9k DPS parse on PTS...!! (updated)

Kreshja

Saw this on Youtube, keywords: Summerset PTS, Self-Buffed, Magblade, 3M Dummy, 70.9k DPS!!!
https://youtu.be/f9_kidQ2gHU

I screenshot DPS tests video titles (by April 27th 2018) on Youtube although didn't check the detail builds and test environments, but I think it is saying a lot even by just generally looking across the board. To those who argue that all classes can achieve similar competitive level, wouldn't a class that can consistantly pull 2k more DPS already considered a lot and better for endgame content, and now seems like NB can pull on average 4k more. About cheesing the test, I don't think all the testers of a certain class reached agreement on whether to cheese or not while seems like cheesing should only apply to the crazy high numbers, so I still think these videos tell more or less a compelling story about balance. Hope more PTSers could do more DPS tests.

1. Dragonknight:
- stamDK 44k

- magDK 45k

- magDK 45.8k

2. Nightblade:
- magNB 43k (PTS first day)

- magNB 50.9k

- magNB 50-52k

- magNB 52k

- magNB 54k

- magNB 55k/60k

- magNB 57.8k

- magNB 65.7k

- magNB 68.7k

- magNB 70.9k

3. Sorcerer:
- magSorc 45.2k

- magSorc 43.3k

- magSorc 46k

- magSorc 46.2k

- magSorc 47k

- stamSorc 50k (Bow/Bow build)

4. Templar:
- magPlar 45k

5. Warden:
- magWarden 42k

- magWarden 47.7k

6. As a fun comparison, Bash Only build for 34.1k


Nightblade benefits from the LA buff so more consistent with the hard hitting Spectral Bow, while having 2 class dots and 1 Desto dot, then an execute with fast animation and high number, all on top of good utility skills such as Siphon Attack for sustain, Merciless Resolve and Soul Harvest to even boost damage by a fat margin.
On the lower end of the spectrum, it seems that the buff to LA and having Psijic order new skills make magWarden more viable but still can't compete with other classes.

If LA becomes the norm main spammable as the core damage skill, all classes will become very similar in terms of playstyle, except maybe DK still using whip with more utility and class dots are also close range, but may opt for LA if need to range DPS, and pet Sorc may still be an option for content except endgame hardcord trial runs, thus killing the fun of playing different classes. I think instead of tweaking numbers, some skills or even class like Warden need to be redesigned in terms of the mechanics so that each class is more unique in its own way and each skill is more useful. (not asking to nerf but to buff)

Kilandros

Strife nerf killed mNB

nerf mDK pls

Aliyavana

Magika shouldn't do as much dps as stamina. Magika = better survivability and range

Stamina = more risk high reward

BigBadVolk

Cheese

Leandor

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

Kreshja

Leandor wrote: »

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

This is one magBlade on 6m dummy with trial setup and some group support ending with 55k DPS, still higher than other classes on 6m or even 3m dummy.
https://youtu.be/tZJS8X1AnQk

ssewallb14_ESO

no sustain build on 3 mil dummy.

Kilandros

Leandor wrote: »

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

I KNOW RIGHT. Strife nerf KILLED mNB sustain. ESPECIALLY on builds that aren't using Strife.

Nifty2g

Leandor wrote: »

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

Well the skill he is using right now is cheaper than Strife. Anyway, have you guys forgotten to read the description of the video?

"(This is by no means a reflection of skill, just a bit of stupid and pointless fun and dummy cheesing on the PTS for the memes)."

There is quite a few stuff being used to cheese the parse and it's a 3mil dummy just to see how high you can cheese the DPS. This isn't anything to take to the forums about lmao

Mannox

Sensationalism in an MMO? Impossible.

HuawaSepp

With maximum raid buffs he could break 80+ maybe even 90+
I really wanna see all raidbuffs and 100% major force uptime on the precursor
Actually all magicka classes are between 50 and 60k dps on the 3M dummy with only elemental drain support

Emma_Overload

Kilandros wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

I KNOW RIGHT. Strife nerf KILLED mNB sustain. ESPECIALLY on builds that aren't using Strife.

That doesn't make any sense at all. How can a nerf on Strife affect builds that don't use Strife?

MLGProPlayer

Nightblades are OP as *** right now. Not sure anyone can argue against that.

KRBMMO

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

I KNOW RIGHT. Strife nerf KILLED mNB sustain. ESPECIALLY on builds that aren't using Strife.

That doesn't make any sense at all. How can a nerf on Strife affect builds that don't use Strife?

It's in the forums it must be true.

Nestor

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most builds from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

reprosal

Good god. Let’s nerf things because people are better than me when I play my favorite class!!!1

Vaoh

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most classes from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

You say most classes. Which class specs in particular weren’t hitting that mark?

HuawaSepp

Vaoh wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most classes from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

You say most classes. Which class specs in particular weren’t hitting that mark?

Let me guess...
Stamina

Apherius

Do you use infused jewelry by any chance ? they are currently bugged.

MLGProPlayer

Vaoh wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most classes from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

You say most classes. Which class specs in particular weren’t hitting that mark?

I bet it starts with the letter "W".

Drdeath20

No magplar dps test!?!

Nestor

Vaoh wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most classes from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

You say most classes. Which class specs in particular weren’t hitting that mark?

I will leave that to you to figure out.

Also, I should have said builds because to me, a Stamblade is a different Class than a MagBlade. Most people consider those builds but that is not really true.

reprosal

Haha. Warden and Templar pretty much don’t exist in PvE now and with minor fracture being covered by sunder, templar is even more in the ground.

Kilandros

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

I KNOW RIGHT. Strife nerf KILLED mNB sustain. ESPECIALLY on builds that aren't using Strife.

That doesn't make any sense at all. How can a nerf on Strife affect builds that don't use Strife?

Obviously I was being facetious.

themaddaedra

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most builds from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

I am not noticing any 60kish parses -any 50k+ parses, more accurately- apart from NBs. As magsorc, my best efforts also ended up 49-50k for both petsorc and non-pet sorc.

I understand it's mostly about dummy cheese, but when too many people put it that way i believe it's gonna end up ZoS nerfing stuff for all magicka classes, which i don't think we want at all

reprosal

themaddaedra wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most builds from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

I am not noticing any 60kish parses -any 50k+ parses, more accurately- apart from NBs. As magsorc, my best efforts also ended up 49-50k for both petsorc and non-pet sorc.

I understand it's mostly about dummy cheese, but when too many people put it that way i believe it's gonna end up ZoS nerfing stuff for all magicka classes, which i don't think we want at all

You have to understand that some people are already hitting 47k on stamblade on live, and 42k on magblade on live. Adding the LA coefficients is insane for DPS increase which honesty will help newer players with DPS but will also increase the DPS gap between mediocre players and great weavers.

All in all. No need to nerf any class. If anything, buff the lower end.

themaddaedra

reprosal wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most builds from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

I am not noticing any 60kish parses -any 50k+ parses, more accurately- apart from NBs. As magsorc, my best efforts also ended up 49-50k for both petsorc and non-pet sorc.

I understand it's mostly about dummy cheese, but when too many people put it that way i believe it's gonna end up ZoS nerfing stuff for all magicka classes, which i don't think we want at all

You have to understand that some people are already hitting 47k on stamblade on live, and 42k on magblade on live. Adding the LA coefficients is insane for DPS increase which honesty will help newer players with DPS but will also increase the DPS gap between mediocre players and great weavers.

All in all. No need to nerf any class. If anything, buff the lower end.

I am not arguing on that, it's true. I'm actually on the same boat, saying we should be careful when putting stuff down. If anything is to be done about those 70k+ NB parses, i believe it points to do something about Soul Harvest + Major Slayer + Acuity combo.

Many people say this is only dummy cheese, they can't use Soul Harvest as ranged DD in trials, so i assume they wouldn't mind if %20 damage buff from Soul Harvest was worked on.

Maulkin

Kilandros wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Curious how much it is going to drop if he needs to sustain...

I KNOW RIGHT. Strife nerf KILLED mNB sustain. ESPECIALLY on builds that aren't using Strife.

That doesn't make any sense at all. How can a nerf on Strife affect builds that don't use Strife?

Obviously I was being facetious.

No way, I don't believe that for a second

reprosal

themaddaedra wrote: »

reprosal wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most builds from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

I am not noticing any 60kish parses -any 50k+ parses, more accurately- apart from NBs. As magsorc, my best efforts also ended up 49-50k for both petsorc and non-pet sorc.

I understand it's mostly about dummy cheese, but when too many people put it that way i believe it's gonna end up ZoS nerfing stuff for all magicka classes, which i don't think we want at all

You have to understand that some people are already hitting 47k on stamblade on live, and 42k on magblade on live. Adding the LA coefficients is insane for DPS increase which honesty will help newer players with DPS but will also increase the DPS gap between mediocre players and great weavers.

All in all. No need to nerf any class. If anything, buff the lower end.

I am not arguing on that, it's true. I'm actually on the same boat, saying we should be careful when putting stuff down. If anything is to be done about those 70k+ NB parses, i believe it points to do something about Soul Harvest + Major Slayer + Acuity combo.

Many people say this is only dummy cheese, they can't use Soul Harvest as ranged DD in trials, so i assume they wouldn't mind if %20 damage buff from Soul Harvest was worked on.

Nothing wrong with that combo. It takes a bit of skill to line everything up perfectly consistently. If you don’t or can’t, other sets actually outperform it.

HuawaSepp

themaddaedra wrote: »

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Many people say this is only dummy cheese, they can't use Soul Harvest as ranged DD in trials, so i assume they wouldn't mind if %20 damage buff from Soul Harvest was worked on.

For carglorn trials and MoL I also slot beast trap instead of shield.
Ranged players can also go in meele range for a short time and apply their soul harvest.

themaddaedra

HuawaSepp wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

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Many people say this is only dummy cheese, they can't use Soul Harvest as ranged DD in trials, so i assume they wouldn't mind if %20 damage buff from Soul Harvest was worked on.

For carglorn trials and MoL I also slot beast trap instead of shield.
Ranged players can also go in meele range for a short time and apply their soul harvest.

This is why the way to fix 70k self buffed parses is fixing this combo. I don't know if i am explaining my point as i intend here, magNBs are going crazy numbers in melee spot atm, and this needs fixing. Not Acuity, or not Elemental Weapon (i don't even know why people point to this amazing skill) or not magicka light attacks. Because non of these aspects give any similar results to these ridiculous numbers in any other class.

I hope that does it.