Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left
Stam NB vs Stam Warden
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Mag NB vs Mag sorc
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Stamplar vs Stam DK
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left
Stam NB vs Stam Warden
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Mag NB vs Mag sorc
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Stamplar vs Stam DK
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Agree with these
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Disagree with these:
Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope
Unsure about these:
Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW
Throwing out from my personal experience:
Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge
Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden
Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt
Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left
Stam NB vs Stam Warden
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Mag NB vs Mag sorc
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Stamplar vs Stam DK
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Agree with these
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Disagree with these:
Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope
Unsure about these:
Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW
Throwing out from my personal experience:
Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge
Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden
Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt
Stam DKs are still really strong 1v1 with these dot pressure / defile / corrosive builds. They just aren’t mobile or good open world anymore.
Stamden is a burst class but stamplar has purify to hell against dots / pressure (I.E. from NBs and DKs and dot/ bleed Stam sorcs)
Stamden is vulnerable to defile + burst, which is what sNBs are strongest at. Sure a stamden can beat a sNB, but it’d be easier on a class with more native defense and less healing since the healing won’t work anyway.
Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left
Stam NB vs Stam Warden
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Mag NB vs Mag sorc
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Stamplar vs Stam DK
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Agree with these
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Disagree with these:
Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope
Unsure about these:
Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW
Throwing out from my personal experience:
Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge
Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden
Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt
Stam DKs are still really strong 1v1 with these dot pressure / defile / corrosive builds. They just aren’t mobile or good open world anymore.
Stamden is a burst class but stamplar has purify to hell against dots / pressure (I.E. from NBs and DKs and dot/ bleed Stam sorcs)
Stamden is vulnerable to defile + burst, which is what sNBs are strongest at. Sure a stamden can beat a sNB, but it’d be easier on a class with more native defense and less healing since the healing won’t work anyway.
Mag DK is good 1 v 1
Stam DK is not. Any other stam class is better for 1v1 or xv1 or 1vx. I've not died to one in quite some time and i always solo PVP.
Stamplar's are just really OP in general right now, but they also have the best defenses against a stamden. Jabs when they get close will prevent you from ever taking sub assault damage, because it forces them to dodge, which removes you from the point of attack. Also the damage copying abilities are hell on a warden who can dish a lot out in a small time and take a lot but burst heal through. NBs only have fear and cloak, which are nowhere near as reliable against someone who always slots invisibility potions as well as immovables.
Mag blades are a bigger issue for stamdens than stamblades. All you have to do is survive the gank against the stamblade. Well that and avoid his buddies Lethal arrow spam from stealth...
Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left
Stam NB vs Stam Warden
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Mag NB vs Mag sorc
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Stamplar vs Stam DK
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Agree with these
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
Disagree with these:
Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope
Unsure about these:
Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW
Throwing out from my personal experience:
Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge
Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden
Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt
Stam DKs are still really strong 1v1 with these dot pressure / defile / corrosive builds. They just aren’t mobile or good open world anymore.
Stamden is a burst class but stamplar has purify to hell against dots / pressure (I.E. from NBs and DKs and dot/ bleed Stam sorcs)
Stamden is vulnerable to defile + burst, which is what sNBs are strongest at. Sure a stamden can beat a sNB, but it’d be easier on a class with more native defense and less healing since the healing won’t work anyway.
Mag DK is good 1 v 1
Stam DK is not. Any other stam class is better for 1v1 or xv1 or 1vx. I've not died to one in quite some time and i always solo PVP.
Stamplar's are just really OP in general right now, but they also have the best defenses against a stamden. Jabs when they get close will prevent you from ever taking sub assault damage, because it forces them to dodge, which removes you from the point of attack. Also the damage copying abilities are hell on a warden who can dish a lot out in a small time and take a lot but burst heal through. NBs only have fear and cloak, which are nowhere near as reliable against someone who always slots invisibility potions as well as immovables.
Mag blades are a bigger issue for stamdens than stamblades. All you have to do is survive the gank against the stamblade. Well that and avoid his buddies Lethal arrow spam from stealth...
Yet on PC NA we have Stam DKs winning dueling tournaments all the time
Stamden can counter virtually all of the mNB burst with shimmering shield.
SNipe spam sNBs are a non-issue. I'm only worried about the good ones that use poison injection master bow and then 2h incap / relentless combo.
I think you and I are talking about different facets of PvP.
NB vs a build with no AoE or detect pots.
Probably why so many people complain about them.
Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left
Stam NB vs Stam Warden
Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
Mag DK vs Mag Warden
Mag NB vs Mag sorc
Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
Stam NB vs Mag Warden
Stamplar vs Stam DK
Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
@Joy_Division
Not wearing Impen on a mSorc is a conscious decision. You get extra stats but of course you can’t complain when you’re caught with shields down. It’s one of the things that’s really a trade off. More things should be that way.
Stamplar vs stamblade tends to be a mis match in favor of the nb. Mostly because stamblade can heavily disrupt the stamplars channel and burst with ccs and drop 20k+ burst in one jabs channel. Meanwhile, stamplar has more limited options to mitigate nbs. Can only dodge so many incaps. Stamplar is only effective when it connects, and is one of the classes that requires actual mechanical skill and execution to get the most out of. So naturally, the most elusive class in the game disrupts that.
RighteousBacon wrote: »
Umm...are you forgetting that biting jabs will easily pull nightblade out of cloak if you snare them with cleansing ritual, if they cloak...just hold block after like 2 seconds
Stamplar really has problems in that fight. Stamblade can avoid most burst with shade and cloak and prevent a strong PotL hit while having the opportunity to hit the templar very hard and kill him before he can purge and heal back up. Also stamplar is very vulnerable while jabbing for an incap+will as you can't dodge/block cancle jabsRighteousBacon wrote: »
Umm...are you forgetting that biting jabs will easily pull nightblade out of cloak if you snare them with cleansing ritual, if they cloak...just hold block after like 2 seconds
No, I’m not. How easily jabs will counter a nb completely depends on how good the NB is. I know on paper there are a ton of counters to cloak including jabs. But in practice, in a dueling environment against a good nb, it’s not the sinple at all. But again, this isn’t a huge or insurrountable mismatch. Just the only one I feel confident speaking to in recent patches as it’s the only two classes I play. And my input is coming from experience (wins and losses) from both perspectives against some of the best stamplars and stamblades on my server. Its apparent after many fights, stamblade holds a distinct edge in this fight.