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Biggest PvP mismatches?

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I've only played PvP for a couple months, exclusively alliance war, and have average skills, playing a StamDK. I have 10 levels assault/support, currently level 23, 720 CP (have played for years PvE as tank). I run a pretty tanky setup, heavy armor, 2H/S&B, 7 impenetrable, mostly stam so end up with about 25k hp and 36k stam. I'd like to hear people's experience on the biggest 1v1 mismatches in PvP. For example, when I fight another StamDK, the fight could go on forever. Also it seems some templar fights are pretty equal.
But some classes/builds just dissolve me. Sometimes a NB will bounce off and be no problem, but sometimes they cut me to shreds; no amount of blocking/vigor/igneous seems to slow them down. Also it seems some wardens cut me to ribbons.

So my question is: what are the biggest mismatches where a certain build will just destroy the other build? They say every class/build has its weaknesses, what are the best examples of this?

Granted sometimes it just comes down to a highly skilled player destroying me ;)
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  • Taylor_MB
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    NB vs a build with no AoE or detect pots.

    Probably why so many people complain about them.

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  • lazerlaz
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    Skill vs higher skill.

  • wheem_ESO
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    Magicka Warden vs almost anyone who isn't significantly worse at the game, even more so if the opponent has the ability to both root and stun. Though there's a caveat here; Shimmering Shield is incredibly overpowered vs many other Magicka setups, and can cause the Warden to be basically unkillable if they don't make big mistakes.
  • Thogard
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    Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden
    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Mag NB vs Mag sorc
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Stamplar vs Stam DK
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes
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  • CyrusArya
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    Stamplar vs stamblade tends to be a mis match in favor of the nb. Mostly because stamblade can heavily disrupt the stamplars channel and burst with ccs and drop 20k+ burst in one jabs channel. Meanwhile, stamplar has more limited options to mitigate nbs. Can only dodge so many incaps. Stamplar is only effective when it connects, and is one of the classes that requires actual mechanical skill and execution to get the most out of. So naturally, the most elusive class in the game disrupts that.

    As these are the two classes I have mainly played the past six months, I have some insight into the match up. That being said it’s a more subtle one and can be worked around and there are methods to outplay.

    Mag sorc vs stamden on the other hand? Total mis match. Literally a stamden should never ever lose to a sorc.
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  • Joy_Division
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    Winner on left:

    Alessia Front Door Vs. EP PuGs.
    Chalman Keep Vs. DC strategic sense
    Oils Vs. PuGs on ram
    The dream of getting a killing blow Vs. Mag Wardens
    People who know how to move Vs. Magplars
    Anything Vs. "Cloak is my only defense!" Nightblades
    Critical hits Vs. "I don't need Impen" Magicka Sorcerers
    Nostalgia Vs. Magicka DKs
    ZOS nerfs directed at "Healbots" Vs. Stamplars
    The desire to use class skills Vs. Stam DKs and Stam sorcs
    ?? maybe excellent stam NB play Vs. Stamden.
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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    Bow/Bow anything vs S&B MagDk.

    Mag DK can effectively counter all burst with wings>then block. And limit sustained damage while applying pressure. Bow/Bow has to run from that or try and survive until help arrives.

    With Warden you can power through the absorb and pressure down their health, albiet slowly.

    With Templar you can wait out Eclipse and use CC immunity periods to apply burst.

    With NB you camp AOE's and play defensive, they either kill themselves trying to kill you or leave.

    With Sorc's you out pressure them and force defensive mode until they either run or die.
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  • Amdar_Godkiller
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden
    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Mag NB vs Mag sorc
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Stamplar vs Stam DK
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes

    Agree with these


    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes


    Disagree with these:

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope


    Unsure about these:

    Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
    Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW




    Throwing out from my personal experience:


    Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge

    Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden

    Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt



  • Thogard
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden
    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Mag NB vs Mag sorc
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Stamplar vs Stam DK
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes

    Agree with these


    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes


    Disagree with these:

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope


    Unsure about these:

    Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
    Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW




    Throwing out from my personal experience:


    Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge

    Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden

    Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt



    Stam DKs are still really strong 1v1 with these dot pressure / defile / corrosive builds. They just aren’t mobile or good open world anymore.

    Stamden is a burst class but stamplar has purify to hell against dots / pressure (I.E. from NBs and DKs and dot/ bleed Stam sorcs)

    Stamden is vulnerable to defile + burst, which is what sNBs are strongest at. Sure a stamden can beat a sNB, but it’d be easier on a class with more native defense and less healing since the healing won’t work anyway.
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  • Amdar_Godkiller
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden
    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Mag NB vs Mag sorc
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Stamplar vs Stam DK
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes

    Agree with these


    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes


    Disagree with these:

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope


    Unsure about these:

    Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
    Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW




    Throwing out from my personal experience:


    Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge

    Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden

    Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt



    Stam DKs are still really strong 1v1 with these dot pressure / defile / corrosive builds. They just aren’t mobile or good open world anymore.

    Stamden is a burst class but stamplar has purify to hell against dots / pressure (I.E. from NBs and DKs and dot/ bleed Stam sorcs)

    Stamden is vulnerable to defile + burst, which is what sNBs are strongest at. Sure a stamden can beat a sNB, but it’d be easier on a class with more native defense and less healing since the healing won’t work anyway.

    Mag DK is good 1 v 1

    Stam DK is not. Any other stam class is better for 1v1 or xv1 or 1vx. I've not died to one in quite some time and i always solo PVP.

    Stamplar's are just really OP in general right now, but they also have the best defenses against a stamden. Jabs when they get close will prevent you from ever taking sub assault damage, because it forces them to dodge, which removes you from the point of attack. Also the damage copying abilities are hell on a warden who can dish a lot out in a small time and take a lot but burst heal through. NBs only have fear and cloak, which are nowhere near as reliable against someone who always slots invisibility potions as well as immovables.

    Mag blades are a bigger issue for stamdens than stamblades. All you have to do is survive the gank against the stamblade. Well that and avoid his buddies Lethal arrow spam from stealth...
  • beetleklee
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    I've been playing Stamwarden for the first time in PVP since Monday and I feel I get ripped apart by, uh, everything lol, even with my defensive buffs up. Wearing all heavy impen Seventh and WW Hide. Stamplars are hard to kill for me, they heal through and purge everything.

    I have buffed weapon damage at 4k and I still feel like I barely tickle people haha.

    Definitely a L2P issue and I don't have Vigor on her yet so staying alive is a bit rough as Soothing Spores is expensive. I'm certainly a crap PVPer since I don't do it enough, but had much more success with my MagDK and a bit more with my baby Stamblade as I'm more familiar with them (definitely the case with my MagDK.) Though my MagDK gets ripped apart by bleeds and defiles.

    Though I'll keep playing and practicing the warden, I'm sure it'll be really fun when I get the class down.
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  • Thogard
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden
    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Mag NB vs Mag sorc
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Stamplar vs Stam DK
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes

    Agree with these


    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes


    Disagree with these:

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope


    Unsure about these:

    Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
    Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW




    Throwing out from my personal experience:


    Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge

    Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden

    Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt



    Stam DKs are still really strong 1v1 with these dot pressure / defile / corrosive builds. They just aren’t mobile or good open world anymore.

    Stamden is a burst class but stamplar has purify to hell against dots / pressure (I.E. from NBs and DKs and dot/ bleed Stam sorcs)

    Stamden is vulnerable to defile + burst, which is what sNBs are strongest at. Sure a stamden can beat a sNB, but it’d be easier on a class with more native defense and less healing since the healing won’t work anyway.

    Mag DK is good 1 v 1

    Stam DK is not. Any other stam class is better for 1v1 or xv1 or 1vx. I've not died to one in quite some time and i always solo PVP.

    Stamplar's are just really OP in general right now, but they also have the best defenses against a stamden. Jabs when they get close will prevent you from ever taking sub assault damage, because it forces them to dodge, which removes you from the point of attack. Also the damage copying abilities are hell on a warden who can dish a lot out in a small time and take a lot but burst heal through. NBs only have fear and cloak, which are nowhere near as reliable against someone who always slots invisibility potions as well as immovables.

    Mag blades are a bigger issue for stamdens than stamblades. All you have to do is survive the gank against the stamblade. Well that and avoid his buddies Lethal arrow spam from stealth...

    Yet on PC NA we have Stam DKs winning dueling tournaments all the time

    Stamden can counter virtually all of the mNB burst with shimmering shield.
    SNipe spam sNBs are a non-issue. I'm only worried about the good ones that use poison injection master bow and then 2h incap / relentless combo.

    I think you and I are talking about different facets of PvP.
    Edited by Thogard on April 18, 2018 8:32PM
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  • Amdar_Godkiller
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden
    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Mag NB vs Mag sorc
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Stamplar vs Stam DK
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes

    Agree with these


    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes


    Disagree with these:

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden - don't have more of an issue with Stam NBs than any other class;
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc - Nope


    Unsure about these:

    Mag NB vs Mag sorc - Not a hard counter per se but a decent challenge
    Stamplar vs Stam DK - They're tough on my stam dk, but magplars are much tougher. So are Magsorcs FWIW




    Throwing out from my personal experience:


    Stamplar vs Stam Warden - Counters to every attack the warden has, plus the ability to purge

    Stam warden vs Mag Warden - The anti-range stamina class is superior against the anti-range magicka class because of melee weapons. The only time I don't hate getting the kill 20 wardens quest is ironically on my stam warden

    Any class vs Stam DK - When you die to a stam DK it means you are trash or he is a god; much shame should be felt



    Stam DKs are still really strong 1v1 with these dot pressure / defile / corrosive builds. They just aren’t mobile or good open world anymore.

    Stamden is a burst class but stamplar has purify to hell against dots / pressure (I.E. from NBs and DKs and dot/ bleed Stam sorcs)

    Stamden is vulnerable to defile + burst, which is what sNBs are strongest at. Sure a stamden can beat a sNB, but it’d be easier on a class with more native defense and less healing since the healing won’t work anyway.

    Mag DK is good 1 v 1

    Stam DK is not. Any other stam class is better for 1v1 or xv1 or 1vx. I've not died to one in quite some time and i always solo PVP.

    Stamplar's are just really OP in general right now, but they also have the best defenses against a stamden. Jabs when they get close will prevent you from ever taking sub assault damage, because it forces them to dodge, which removes you from the point of attack. Also the damage copying abilities are hell on a warden who can dish a lot out in a small time and take a lot but burst heal through. NBs only have fear and cloak, which are nowhere near as reliable against someone who always slots invisibility potions as well as immovables.

    Mag blades are a bigger issue for stamdens than stamblades. All you have to do is survive the gank against the stamblade. Well that and avoid his buddies Lethal arrow spam from stealth...

    Yet on PC NA we have Stam DKs winning dueling tournaments all the time

    Stamden can counter virtually all of the mNB burst with shimmering shield.
    SNipe spam sNBs are a non-issue. I'm only worried about the good ones that use poison injection master bow and then 2h incap / relentless combo.

    I think you and I are talking about different facets of PvP.

    Open world PVP is what I'm primarily about. I do a fair bit of imp city and the occasional BG as well though. I only duel on my NB and my Magden, but I've never made a build around just dueling. good to know to stam dks are winning something, cause it ain't my tel var or my AP.
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    Taylor_MB wrote: »
    NB vs a build with no AoE or detect pots.

    Probably why so many people complain about them.

    A competent stamina nightblade versus everything this patch.

    Next update notsomuch, I think blades will be switching over to troll king because the healing is going to be terrible.

    Edited by Minalan on April 18, 2018 8:54PM
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    Magden vs CC
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  • Datthaw
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Hmmm let’s see. I’ll put the favored class on the left

    Stam NB vs Stam Warden
    Stam Warden vs Mag sorc
    Mag DK vs Mag Warden
    Mag NB vs Mag sorc
    Stam DK vs Stam Sorc
    Stam Sorc vs Stam NB
    Stam NB vs Mag Warden
    Stamplar vs Stam DK
    Magplar vs people who want to finish fights in less than 20 minutes

    Don't forget destro/resto magblade vs magdk. Get those flappy wings away from me satan, I hope yore a vamp because you're getting resto heavies

    Edit I should clarify, I run infused resto with prismatic just because magdks are normally vamps and it's all I got, resto heavy till they don't apply wings for a burst window.
    Edited by Datthaw on April 19, 2018 11:04AM
  • Sixty5
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    Stam Sorc main here, so I can only really speak about the matchups I have.

    Stam Sorc is really, really good vs Stamblade. They can't get close enough to engage from invis because of hurricane, and if they try to reset the fight, you can just dark deal up for free. Plus as long as you are durable enough to take a full combo from one at full HP, they will have a really really hard time actually finishing you off.
    I'd say the matchup is 8/10 in favour of the Sorc.

    On the other hand, you are pretty weak against DK's. Stam kinda just shrugs off most of your damage, and you really need to stack up bleeds to really have a shot at them, simply because of how strong their turtle can be. 4/10
    Good Mag DK's can pretty much entirely remove your mobility, and force you to drain stam. You also have no purge, so those dots they stack up start to hurt pretty quickly 3/10

    Magblades are probably the last really one sided matchup. Basically, a good magblade is going to kite you forever, and their sustained and burst damage tends to be enough to break you down. Dark dealing vs them is also hard, since they can just flame clench and you end up wide open. 2 - 5/10 depending on how good the Magblade is.
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  • Feanor
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    @Joy_Division

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  • Joy_Division
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    Feanor wrote: »
    @Joy_Division

    Not wearing Impen on a mSorc is a conscious decision. You get extra stats but of course you can’t complain when you’re caught with shields down. It’s one of the things that’s really a trade off. More things should be that way.

    I know. In my opinion if the decision maker is not someone on par as Malcolm, let's just say I'm glad they made that trade off.
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  • BohnT
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    Winning on the left:
    Magdk vs Stamdk
    Defile vs Stamdk
    Stamnb vs stamwarden, stamdk, stamplar
    Magnb vs stamnb
    Magnb vs magsorc
    Magdk vs dodge builds without cloak
    Stamwarden vs balance
    Stamwarden vs magicka ranged classes
    Magdk vs stamplar
    Magplar vs Magdk
    Shieldbreaker+ infused torugs vs anything that relies on shields including healing ward magdks and magnbs
    Zerg vs Stamdk, stamplar, magplar and magdk
    Stamnb vs dieing against classes without mark (not winning)
    Bleedblade vs anything
    Wrobel vs balanced pvp
    Lag vs good fights
    Infused prismatic torugs vs vamps
  • RighteousBacon
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    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Stamplar vs stamblade tends to be a mis match in favor of the nb. Mostly because stamblade can heavily disrupt the stamplars channel and burst with ccs and drop 20k+ burst in one jabs channel. Meanwhile, stamplar has more limited options to mitigate nbs. Can only dodge so many incaps. Stamplar is only effective when it connects, and is one of the classes that requires actual mechanical skill and execution to get the most out of. So naturally, the most elusive class in the game disrupts that.

    Umm...are you forgetting that biting jabs will easily pull nightblade out of cloak if you snare them with cleansing ritual, if they cloak...just hold block after like 2 seconds
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    Umm...are you forgetting that biting jabs will easily pull nightblade out of cloak if you snare them with cleansing ritual, if they cloak...just hold block after like 2 seconds

    No, I’m not. How easily jabs will counter a nb completely depends on how good the NB is. I know on paper there are a ton of counters to cloak including jabs. But in practice, in a dueling environment against a good nb, it’s not the sinple at all. But again, this isn’t a huge or insurrountable mismatch. Just the only one I feel confident speaking to in recent patches as it’s the only two classes I play. And my input is coming from experience (wins and losses) from both perspectives against some of the best stamplars and stamblades on my server. Its apparent after many fights, stamblade holds a distinct edge in this fight.
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  • BohnT
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    CyrusArya wrote: »

    Umm...are you forgetting that biting jabs will easily pull nightblade out of cloak if you snare them with cleansing ritual, if they cloak...just hold block after like 2 seconds

    No, I’m not. How easily jabs will counter a nb completely depends on how good the NB is. I know on paper there are a ton of counters to cloak including jabs. But in practice, in a dueling environment against a good nb, it’s not the sinple at all. But again, this isn’t a huge or insurrountable mismatch. Just the only one I feel confident speaking to in recent patches as it’s the only two classes I play. And my input is coming from experience (wins and losses) from both perspectives against some of the best stamplars and stamblades on my server. Its apparent after many fights, stamblade holds a distinct edge in this fight.
    Stamplar really has problems in that fight. Stamblade can avoid most burst with shade and cloak and prevent a strong PotL hit while having the opportunity to hit the templar very hard and kill him before he can purge and heal back up. Also stamplar is very vulnerable while jabbing for an incap+will as you can't dodge/block cancle jabs
    It's not a guaranteed win but i'd say at the same skill Level the stamnb will winn 80-85% of all fights
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    From my not so humble perspective. Left is winnder

    Bleedbuilds>Non templar tanks
    DK>Medbuilds
    DPS dance/CC>Beetles
    Cloak>My sanity
    Magplar>DK
    Nightblades > The nerf hammer that needs a detectpot
    Zerg>DK/templar
    Wrobel>PTS advice
    Stamden>Projectile user
    10 Snipe spammers>The humble 1vXer
    Mark>Stamblades
    Nerfs>StamDK
    Mark>Facebook privacy
    Bigboss>EP vivec

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  • thankyourat
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    magblade vs templar (especially ones not using a gap closer) is probably the biggest mismatch in the game. Mag dk vs magblade is a decent mismatch in favor of the dk (if using wings). That's pretty much everything that comes to mind. Stamblade vs light armor magplar can be over really fast. magsorc and mag dks still stall each other out. This is the only ones that come to mind I don't think Stam warden is actually countered by stamblade. Wardens can stack enough heals and mitigation to wear 6 seconds of defile can easily be played around. At the same time it may be hard for warden to got a stamblade with is burst but it does only have to land one burst combo to end the fight. Idk about stamblade and stamplar I don't play either one from what I've seen though they seem like good fights. Medium vs medium stamblade may have the advantage but if the stamplar is in heavy I'm not sure. Mag dk and magplars are the most boring fights ever. Magblades hard counter all melee builds
  • Ragnarock41
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    StamDK with a natural SnB/2h build will be weak against anything that can sustain the fight , due to the fact that blockcasting isn't really a cost-efficient fighting solution(you'll have good mitigation, but at the cost of your stamina regen), so if you can't finish the fight fast, you'll be the one getting outsustained in the long run.

    This means rollerblades that endlessly kite(they will regen stamina a lot faster than you, so you have no room for mistake in this fight), stamsorcs that streak away and spam dark deal(allowing them to dark deal freely will seal your doom), magsorcs that sit under mines and shieldstack(this is probably the hardest match-up for stamDk, unless you build extremely hard on 1v1 pressure), these setups will all give you a rough time.

    This is not an issue in group play, where turtling can't save you from combined burst of a few players,(at least not forever), but on 1v1 situations this is what stamDK is currently weak against.

    That being said, stuff like a magblade or a dot based stamsorc, played by an equally skilled player is just going to outperform you almost no matter what, so don't get discouraged when you lose a duel against those builds. Sometimes its the enemy player being more skilled that destroys you, but sometimes your class-build combination is just not good enough.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 20, 2018 2:16AM
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