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PTS Update 18 - Feedback Thread for Dragonknight Balance
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Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭@Abysswarrior45
So every skill that preforms in a way i.e spam is the same so pretty much you stated that venom claw is the same as surprise attack. Yup this discussion here is showing how much of a waste this is.
Mag DKs PvE numbers come from molten whip like you seriously do not play a Mag DK, making molten whip into a stam whip would cripple their PvE numbers but it's ok to disregard that because you don't play one right.
What? No... your reading comprehension skills are awful. Reread what I said.Stam whip would be a spam-able therefore it makes Stam DK relevant? Lol but didn't you just state that all skills that act the same way are similar e.g what you said about my proposed fragmented shield change. You then try to say "but what about proc set Zaan" again I've said it a-lot through this thread, DO NOT USE A SET TO JUSTIFY YOUR PRECONCEIVED NOTION(S), KTHX.
Zaan is a significant boost to mag dk single target dps is all I'm saying. Them switching to flame lash as their molten whip substitute if molten whip were stam wouldn't cripple their numbers by huge amounts. You can pump out 35-39k dps self buffed without molten whip currently, js.Taking flame lash is also again a NO that belongs to their PvP aspect but see you just wanna steal things from the DK class without thinking of something unique and it's funny you throw around the word 'unique' rather flippantly through-out this back n forth but clearly do not understand what 'unique' means.
You really are a drama queen. "Steal" and "cripple" sets quite the tone in your bickering response. Whip is unique to the Dragonknight class in general, fact...Stam DK doesn't "Definitely need major mending" like what? You state you play DK in PvP well if you feel you need major mending as a DK in PvP then you are most certainly a bad DK like woah. You also fail to realize major mending remains on Igneous shield and I've said to bring back the duration to that morph while changing fragmented shield into my idea or something offensive for Stamina DK.
In other words stam dk sacrifices major mending for your fragmented shield stam morph right? Therefore major mending is lost. If that wasn't the case I said keeping mending on your suggested morph was too much for one skill. Thats imbalanced as hell especially when you include earthen heart passives.Regarding your last comment, Ofc I'd ask because you don't seem to be one who has played this class a lot or has some kind of in-depth out look for this class. You talk about unique changes but in the next breath talk about taking one morph and making it stamina like woah that's a lot of creativity there chief, don't kid yourself mate. You one disregard one class saying they don't need X then in the next breath state molten whip wouldn't screw their DPS which is their main skill as a Mag DK DPS.
Check my Youtube, Abyss ESO.
Something tells me you're the kind of person who HATES people who don't agree with you and pretend the sky is falling. I speak as a DK main be it mag or stam. I can perform on both. Edited by Abysswarrior45 on April 25, 2018 2:58AM0 -
Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Abysswarrior45
So every skill that preforms in a way i.e spam is the same so pretty much you stated that venom claw is the same as surprise attack. Yup this discussion here is showing how much of a waste this is.
Mag DKs PvE numbers come from molten whip like you seriously do not play a Mag DK, making molten whip into a stam whip would cripple their PvE numbers but it's ok to disregard that because you don't play one right.
Stam whip would be a spam-able therefore it makes Stam DK relevant? Lol but didn't you just state that all skills that act the same way are similar e.g what you said about my proposed fragmented shield change. You then try to say "but what about proc set Zaan" again I've said it a-lot through this thread, DO NOT USE A SET TO JUSTIFY YOUR PRECONCEIVED NOTION(S), KTHX.
Taking flame lash is also again a NO that belongs to their PvP aspect but see you just wanna steal things from the DK class without thinking of something unique and it's funny you throw around the word 'unique' rather flippantly through-out this back n forth but clearly do not understand what 'unique' means.
Stam DK doesn't "Definitely need major mending" like what? You state you play DK in PvP well if you feel you need major mending as a DK in PvP then you are most certainly a bad DK like woah. You also fail to realize major mending remains on Igneous shield and I've said to bring back the duration to that morph while changing fragmented shield into my idea or something offensive for Stamina DK.
Regarding your last comment, Ofc I'd ask because you don't seem to be one who has played this class a lot or has some kind of in-depth out look for this class. You talk about unique changes but in the next breath talk about taking one morph and making it stamina like woah that's a lot of creativity there chief, don't kid yourself mate. You one disregard one class saying they don't need X then in the next breath state molten whip wouldn't screw their DPS which is their main skill as a Mag DK DPS.
Ok I don't want to argue so I'll make it quick.
1. Changing frag shield to a delayed burst skill is pointless since the only reason its used is for major mending.
2. hes right mDks don't really need 2 morphs of whip just like how mag NBs don't need 2 morphs of surprise attack and templars don't need two morphs of bitting jabs.
Edited by Anti_Virus on April 25, 2018 8:24PMPower Wealth And Influence.3 -
Anethum✭✭✭✭Stamspammable:
Stamina whip, high damage single target noxious breath are the only skills i can think of which can become this.
No earthen heart abilities as we still have the helping hands passive which is a problem with cost reduction and overall cost of the skill.
New Psijik skill - Imbue Weapons (stamina morf) which is spammable, actually remove the need of stamwhip actually, but burst heal with stamina cost could be very nice thing for stamdk, like at least crap dragon blood but for staminaEdited by Anethum on April 25, 2018 7:09AM@Anethum from .ua0 -
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✭✭Stamspammable:
Stamina whip, high damage single target noxious breath are the only skills i can think of which can become this.
No earthen heart abilities as we still have the helping hands passive which is a problem with cost reduction and overall cost of the skill.
New Psijik skill - Imbue Weapons (stamina morf) which is spammable, actually remove the need of stamwhip actually, but burst heal with stamina cost could be very nice thing for stamdk, like at least crap dragon blood but for stamina
I really don't want to see a spammable burst heal ever again on a stamclass as warden has one and that is just disgusting how strong it makes them.
Something like a rally mechanic heal would be balanced when you can get a burst heal but with time in between a spammable burst heal really is too strong on stamspecs imo.
I'm really not crazy about imbue weapons it feels just like a somewhat weird dizzying because you still have that one gcd in between which sucks when you need that damage right now and not .6-1sec later as that is often enough for people to recover or defend.
Another issue i have with imbue is that it relies on light attacks which are very unreliable even with just small lags involved (not even talking about Vivec primetime
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I would love to have a instant stamina spammable and not some wonky mechanics which every other class can use just as fine or even better as they can compliment it with their class skills0 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »@Abysswarrior45
So every skill that preforms in a way i.e spam is the same so pretty much you stated that venom claw is the same as surprise attack. Yup this discussion here is showing how much of a waste this is.
Mag DKs PvE numbers come from molten whip like you seriously do not play a Mag DK, making molten whip into a stam whip would cripple their PvE numbers but it's ok to disregard that because you don't play one right.
What? No... your reading comprehension skills are awful. Reread what I said.Stam whip would be a spam-able therefore it makes Stam DK relevant? Lol but didn't you just state that all skills that act the same way are similar e.g what you said about my proposed fragmented shield change. You then try to say "but what about proc set Zaan" again I've said it a-lot through this thread, DO NOT USE A SET TO JUSTIFY YOUR PRECONCEIVED NOTION(S), KTHX.
Zaan is a significant boost to mag dk single target dps is all I'm saying. Them switching to flame lash as their molten whip substitute if molten whip were stam wouldn't cripple their numbers by huge amounts. You can pump out 35-39k dps self buffed without molten whip currently, js.Taking flame lash is also again a NO that belongs to their PvP aspect but see you just wanna steal things from the DK class without thinking of something unique and it's funny you throw around the word 'unique' rather flippantly through-out this back n forth but clearly do not understand what 'unique' means.
You really are a drama queen. "Steal" and "cripple" sets quite the tone in your bickering response. Whip is unique to the Dragonknight class in general, fact...Stam DK doesn't "Definitely need major mending" like what? You state you play DK in PvP well if you feel you need major mending as a DK in PvP then you are most certainly a bad DK like woah. You also fail to realize major mending remains on Igneous shield and I've said to bring back the duration to that morph while changing fragmented shield into my idea or something offensive for Stamina DK.
In other words stam dk sacrifices major mending for your fragmented shield stam morph right? Therefore major mending is lost. If that wasn't the case I said keeping mending on your suggested morph was too much for one skill. Thats imbalanced as hell especially when you include earthen heart passives.Regarding your last comment, Ofc I'd ask because you don't seem to be one who has played this class a lot or has some kind of in-depth out look for this class. You talk about unique changes but in the next breath talk about taking one morph and making it stamina like woah that's a lot of creativity there chief, don't kid yourself mate. You one disregard one class saying they don't need X then in the next breath state molten whip wouldn't screw their DPS which is their main skill as a Mag DK DPS.
Check my Youtube, Abyss ESO. Something tells me you're the kind of person who HATES people who don't agree with you and pretend the sky is falling. I speak as a DK main be it mag or stam. I can perform on both.
I don't pve much anymore but I don't really think molten whip is used in pve I think people use power lash for better sustain. I could b wrong any pver can tell me how much its being usedEdited by lucky_Sage on April 25, 2018 3:54PMDC PC NA
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✭✭@Abysswarrior45
You talk about reading comprehension skills but clearly that's projection based on the responses to each individual part you just gave.
You state I'm being a 'drama queen' because I stated a fact i.e you changing the morph of something that is greatly used for PvE or PvP would cripple and it is stealing. You seem to think that it is fine so do me a favor and make a post on general discussion about how you would take one of the morphs because you want a stamina whip since you can't think of anything unique.
Regarding my fragmented shield change uh no? I never said anything about having major mending on there so again don't put words in my mouth, I concisely presented a whole new ability.I also stated that the ability would be magicka and would scale with highest resource/weapon damage of stamina + be changed to either poison or physical damage; Which one of us has a reading problem... clearly that was projection lol.
Touching back on that Stam whip comparison to surprise attack, you stated that fragmented shield delayed burst is the same as warden and therefore it isn't unique so that same talking point would translate over to surprise attack because it is a spam-able and therefore would be considered the same under your 'logic'. So again yeah you invalidated your stamina whip comment by making that statement right there.
I could care less of your Youtube channel, anyone who states that Mag DKs should lose their whip that a large portion of them use just because us Stamina DKs want a spam-able clearly can't find anything unique other than "Oh look that works for them so let's have that".
People who don't agree with me are fine but people like yourself who act that we need to steal something a lot of Mag DKs use just to fit their own benefit while championing this "it'll be unique" mentality, clearly lack anything constructive let alone creative to bring to the table.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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You can have that opinion regarding both of them but like I said do me a favor and make a post on general discussion championing how Mag DKs don't need their molten whip or lava whip. You both feel this is a minority opinion when it's completely the opposite. Check out plenty of Mag DK PvE builds by your favorite streamers and I bet they all have molten whip slotted. Check out all Mag DK PvP builds by your favorite streamers and I bet they all have lava whip slotted.
Molten whip increases your damage per ardent flame skills on your bar, that ability acts as their main form of DPS aside from DoTs in their rotation.
Lava whip heals you when you set a target off balance and in PvP all Mag DKs or a siginifncantly high population of them utilize soft/hard cc so they can proc flame lash to sustain their health while dealing damage.
Regarding frag shield, (like I said somewhere through-out this thread) I do not want some added duration to one skill but rather a unique ability that is something different; Hence why I laid out my own take on it while keeping true to heart of what makes a Dragon Knight a Dragon Knight.
The change hasn't even gone through yet and I have also stated it needs to be different but at the same time Igneous shield should get it's original duration back for the sake of being more of a supportive skill (Mag DK vet trial healer here) while fragmented should be the offensive.
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XB1 Maxwell Crystal - NA DC CP 800+ Redguard Stamina DK
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PC Maxwell-Crystal - NA DC - CP 200+ Brenton Magicka DK 「Retired」Band Camp statements: To state "But this one time I saw X doing X... so that justifies X" Refers to the Band camp statement.
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Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭@Abysswarrior45
You talk about reading comprehension skills but clearly that's projection based on the responses to each individual part you just gave.
You state I'm being a 'drama queen' because I stated a fact i.e you changing the morph of something that is greatly used for PvE or PvP would cripple and it is stealing. You seem to think that it is fine so do me a favor and make a post on general discussion about how you would take one of the morphs because you want a stamina whip since you can't think of anything unique.
Regarding my fragmented shield change uh no? I never said anything about having major mending on there so again don't put words in my mouth, I concisely presented a whole new ability.I also stated that the ability would be magicka and would scale with highest resource/weapon damage of stamina + be changed to either poison or physical damage; Which one of us has a reading problem... clearly that was projection lol.
Touching back on that Stam whip comparison to surprise attack, you stated that fragmented shield delayed burst is the same as warden and therefore it isn't unique so that same talking point would translate over to surprise attack because it is a spam-able and therefore would be considered the same under your 'logic'. So again yeah you invalidated your stamina whip comment by making that statement right there.
I could care less of your Youtube channel, anyone who states that Mag DKs should lose their whip that a large portion of them use just because us Stamina DKs want a spam-able clearly can't find anything unique other than "Oh look that works for them so let's have that".
People who don't agree with me are fine but people like yourself who act that we need to steal something a lot of Mag DKs use just to fit their own benefit while championing this "it'll be unique" mentality, clearly lack anything constructive let alone creative to bring to the table.
Once again, reread what I said. I didn't put any words in your mouth. People have been asking for a stam whip for a long time and that leads me to believe you're outnumbered on the opinion of whether or not it should be added. Such a small change that could make a huge difference for all the stam dks out there.Edited by Abysswarrior45 on April 25, 2018 8:33PM0 -
NobleX35✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »@Abysswarrior45
You talk about reading comprehension skills but clearly that's projection based on the responses to each individual part you just gave.
You state I'm being a 'drama queen' because I stated a fact i.e you changing the morph of something that is greatly used for PvE or PvP would cripple and it is stealing. You seem to think that it is fine so do me a favor and make a post on general discussion about how you would take one of the morphs because you want a stamina whip since you can't think of anything unique.
Regarding my fragmented shield change uh no? I never said anything about having major mending on there so again don't put words in my mouth, I concisely presented a whole new ability.I also stated that the ability would be magicka and would scale with highest resource/weapon damage of stamina + be changed to either poison or physical damage; Which one of us has a reading problem... clearly that was projection lol.
Touching back on that Stam whip comparison to surprise attack, you stated that fragmented shield delayed burst is the same as warden and therefore it isn't unique so that same talking point would translate over to surprise attack because it is a spam-able and therefore would be considered the same under your 'logic'. So again yeah you invalidated your stamina whip comment by making that statement right there.
I could care less of your Youtube channel, anyone who states that Mag DKs should lose their whip that a large portion of them use just because us Stamina DKs want a spam-able clearly can't find anything unique other than "Oh look that works for them so let's have that".
People who don't agree with me are fine but people like yourself who act that we need to steal something a lot of Mag DKs use just to fit their own benefit while championing this "it'll be unique" mentality, clearly lack anything constructive let alone creative to bring to the table.
Once again, reread what I said. I didn't put any words in your mouth. People have been asking for a stam whip for a long time and that leads me to believe you're outnumbered on the opinion of whether or not it should be added. Such a small change that could make a huge difference for all the stam dks out there.
His own pole shows how many people who like one of the morphs to swap to stam.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/409369/dragon-knight-whip-would-you-support-changing-one-morph-into-a-stamina-one#latestEdited by NobleX35 on April 25, 2018 8:37PM"Only the dead have seen the end of war."2 -
Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Anti_Virus
You can have that opinion regarding both of them but like I said do me a favor and make a post on general discussion championing how Mag DKs don't need their molten whip or lava whip. You both feel this is a minority opinion when it's completely the opposite. Check out plenty of Mag DK PvE builds by your favorite streamers and I bet they all have molten whip slotted. Check out all Mag DK PvP builds by your favorite streamers and I bet they all have lava whip slotted.
Molten whip increases your damage per ardent flame skills on your bar, that ability acts as their main form of DPS aside from DoTs in their rotation.
Lava whip heals you when you set a target off balance and in PvP all Mag DKs or a siginifncantly high population of them utilize soft/hard cc so they can proc flame lash to sustain their health while dealing damage.
Regarding frag shield, (like I said somewhere through-out this thread) I do not want some added duration to one skill but rather a unique ability that is something different; Hence why I laid out my own take on it while keeping true to heart of what makes a Dragon Knight a Dragon Knight.
The change hasn't even gone through yet and I have also stated it needs to be different but at the same time Igneous shield should get it's original duration back for the sake of being more of a supportive skill (Mag DK vet trial healer here) while fragmented should be the offensive.
Stam whip is a topic I would personally like to discuss with you some other time.
TL:DR at the bottom.
But again here are some possible changes to help out stam DK final changes since I cannot test on PTS:
Molten Whip(Lava whip morph):
Converts to stam and deals physical/poison damage move spell damage buff to flame lash and keep weapon damage buff.
Reasoning: Gives stam DK some form of burst while allowing mDK to still deal damge in PVE with a free whip on top.
Hardened Armor(Spiked Armor Morph)
Now deals physical damage on damage returns.
Reasoning: Other morph is used way more this change can be used offensively for DK for semi constant pressure.
Deep Breath(Draw Essence Morph)
Now deals Poison damage instead of flame.
Reasoning: The other morph is better imo and mDKs should have that one. The mag return is still benefical on stam dk but should be adjusted or changed to stam return. Also makes the world in ruin passive for poison damge usefull.
Elder Dragon(Dragonic Power passive)
Gain 5% magicka,Stamina,and Health recovery per dragonic ability slotted
Reasoning: Passive becomes more usefull for mDKs and sDKs improving sustain by a tiny bit.
Scaled Armor(Dragonic power passive)
Increases physical resistance by 3300 in addition to spell resistance.
Reasoning: makes logical sense why doesn't it do that? Physical damage is just as lethal plus templar should get the same treatment with their passive.
These changes would definitely put stam dk in a better place.
TL;DR
-Stam whip
-Stam Draw essence
-Stam spiked armor
-Elder dragon passive now also gives mag and stam recovery
-Scaled Armor now also give physical resistanceEdited by Anti_Virus on April 25, 2018 8:59PMPower Wealth And Influence.4 -
AddictionX✭✭✭✭lucky_Sage wrote: »@MaxwellC
for wings costin stamina it make almost usless for magicka they need stam way more the stam needs magicka a magdk would be better off going 2h and forward momentum it would cost less stam and last longer. as a magicka toon I wouldn't spend more than 3k stamina on a abilty I need to stam for cc break way more.
I am so sick of being bound to a single weapon because of its snare immunity, you guys have mist form. Pigeonholed into being a vamp and spam mist form.
So you saying "its no good for me cause i cant use it cause im magDK" is really irrelevant. How about the rest of all the DK skills in ALL the trees.
Snare immunity is needed on the DK skill tree. I would love it to be stamina based so i can get rid of using the 2h weapon skill line and BE FREE.Edited by AddictionX on April 25, 2018 9:19PM0 -
AddictionX✭✭✭✭Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.Edited by AddictionX on April 25, 2018 9:41PM1 -
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Honestly I don't agree with any of them aside for hardened armor and tepidly the scaled passive change/elder dragon change but that hardened armor change would be extremely lackluster and still wouldn't be used in comparison to volatile armor as it actually does something worth its use e.g. finding stealth enemies, or applying a DoT.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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Honestly I don't agree with any of them aside for hardened armor and tepidly the scaled passive change/elder dragon change but that hardened armor change would be extremely lackluster and still wouldn't be used in comparison to volatile armor as it actually does something worth its use e.g. finding stealth enemies, or applying a DoT.
That's cool I personally think these changes will really help out stam DK hardend armor is simply a QoL change but yeah.Edited by Anti_Virus on April 25, 2018 9:55PMPower Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭AddictionX wrote: »Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
Good! Leave my Molten Whip alone!
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✭✭✭I honestly miss the days when only like 5 people played DK and our feedback threads capped at like 5-6 pages while everyone else went 15+
It was way more constructive back then. This is just embarrassing.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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AddictionX✭✭✭✭AddictionX wrote: »Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
Good! Leave my Molten Whip alone!
He will. Useless stamina whip feedback is suffocating the thread. Starts @ 01:02:40ish
https://youtu.be/UBKT-Fu_B0A?t=1h2m43s
To be honest, these very same people is why we DO NOT GET BUFFS!!!! STOP IT!!! Your constant input for a stamina whip is counterproductive as its been since that update. No wonder you guys believe he they won't listen to you. Cause you are asking for the impossible.
Every stamina whip supporter must listen to his words in that video .... I WAS THERE WATCHING!
Q: Will Dragonknight EVER receive a stamina version of flame lash or molten whip?
A: ". . . . So, In general, I don't think that's something we want to do."- Wrobel
AOE caps was recently removed and guess what it took a COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT to even get that DONE WITH OVER 2 YEARS of constant resistance/bugs/updates/fixes. Do you really believe the few people who play DK since the beginning will be able to get that kind of support?!Edited by AddictionX on April 25, 2018 10:35PM1 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭AddictionX wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
Good! Leave my Molten Whip alone!
He will. Useless stamina whip feedback is suffocating the thread. Starts @ 01:02:40ishhttps://youtu.be/UBKT-Fu_B0A?t=1h2m43s
To be honest, these very same people is why we DO NOT GET BUFFS!!!! STOP IT!!! Your constant input for a stamina whip is counterproductive as its been since that update. No wonder you guys believe he they won't listen to you. Cause you are asking for the impossible.
Every stamina whip supporter must listen to his words in that video .... I WAS THERE WATCHING!
Q: Will Dragonknight EVER receive a stamina version of flame lash or molten whip?
A: ". . . . So, In general, I don't think that's something we want to do."- Wrobel
AOE caps was recently removed and guess what it took a COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT to even get that DONE WITH OVER 2 YEARS of constant resistance/bugs/updates/fixes. Do you really believe the few people who play DK since the beginning will be able to get that kind of support?!
Yes I do. We'll keep asking for another 2 years and believe it or not, the majority of dks want the stam whip.1 -
Hamburglarjones✭✭✭I would really like some sort of group damage-related buff added to those standing in my standard of might, it gives a reason to bring magDK into trials instead of just stacking nightblades with major slayer and sorcs with conduit/atro synergy.Edited by Hamburglarjones on April 26, 2018 12:53AMBoone
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✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
Good! Leave my Molten Whip alone!
He will. Useless stamina whip feedback is suffocating the thread. Starts @ 01:02:40ishhttps://youtu.be/UBKT-Fu_B0A?t=1h2m43s
To be honest, these very same people is why we DO NOT GET BUFFS!!!! STOP IT!!! Your constant input for a stamina whip is counterproductive as its been since that update. No wonder you guys believe he they won't listen to you. Cause you are asking for the impossible.
Every stamina whip supporter must listen to his words in that video .... I WAS THERE WATCHING!
Q: Will Dragonknight EVER receive a stamina version of flame lash or molten whip?
A: ". . . . So, In general, I don't think that's something we want to do."- Wrobel
AOE caps was recently removed and guess what it took a COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT to even get that DONE WITH OVER 2 YEARS of constant resistance/bugs/updates/fixes. Do you really believe the few people who play DK since the beginning will be able to get that kind of support?!
Yes I do. We'll keep asking for another 2 years and believe it or not, the majority of dks want the stam whip.
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AddictionX✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
Good! Leave my Molten Whip alone!
He will. Useless stamina whip feedback is suffocating the thread. Starts @ 01:02:40ishhttps://youtu.be/UBKT-Fu_B0A?t=1h2m43s
To be honest, these very same people is why we DO NOT GET BUFFS!!!! STOP IT!!! Your constant input for a stamina whip is counterproductive as its been since that update. No wonder you guys believe he they won't listen to you. Cause you are asking for the impossible.
Every stamina whip supporter must listen to his words in that video .... I WAS THERE WATCHING!
Q: Will Dragonknight EVER receive a stamina version of flame lash or molten whip?
A: ". . . . So, In general, I don't think that's something we want to do."- Wrobel
AOE caps was recently removed and guess what it took a COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT to even get that DONE WITH OVER 2 YEARS of constant resistance/bugs/updates/fixes. Do you really believe the few people who play DK since the beginning will be able to get that kind of support?!
Yes I do. We'll keep asking for another 2 years and believe it or not, the majority of dks want the stam whip.
Believe it or not, you prevent actual constructive feedback from ever making into the forums. Its one thing to ask for it once and leave it with the rest of your suggestions and its another thing to repeat yourself with the same stuff over and over ... and overpowering everyone else with something that they won't do. That's really no different than spam and circular reasoning. Thanks you're a huge help, really, you know I'm kinda not surprised they won't even respond or really view these forums. Thank you.
btw:
Q: Will Dragonknight EVER receive a stamina version of flame lash or molten whip?
A: ". . . . So, In general, I don't think that's something we want to do."- Wrobel
Edited by AddictionX on April 26, 2018 1:10AM1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
Good! Leave my Molten Whip alone!
He will. Useless stamina whip feedback is suffocating the thread. Starts @ 01:02:40ishhttps://youtu.be/UBKT-Fu_B0A?t=1h2m43s
To be honest, these very same people is why we DO NOT GET BUFFS!!!! STOP IT!!! Your constant input for a stamina whip is counterproductive as its been since that update. No wonder you guys believe he they won't listen to you. Cause you are asking for the impossible.
Every stamina whip supporter must listen to his words in that video .... I WAS THERE WATCHING!
Q: Will Dragonknight EVER receive a stamina version of flame lash or molten whip?
A: ". . . . So, In general, I don't think that's something we want to do."- Wrobel
AOE caps was recently removed and guess what it took a COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT to even get that DONE WITH OVER 2 YEARS of constant resistance/bugs/updates/fixes. Do you really believe the few people who play DK since the beginning will be able to get that kind of support?!
Yes I do. We'll keep asking for another 2 years and believe it or not, the majority of dks want the stam whip.
The way I look at it, They either need to give stamina whip, or give us abilities similar to hurricane or crit surge, so that we can have easier time using dizzying swing/flurry. Stamina whip is not the only way to make Dks viable again, but It would be a very good step to get rid of SnB on literally every build.0 -
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Nah man you mean they need to give us back our Flames of Oblivion AoE and strip Sorcs of their Hurricane because it isn't how they're class is meant to be i.e having a damaging player based AoE with high mobility. Pretty pissed about FoO like I'll debate anyone to the end for that ability back as it was the better version.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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✭If you are asking for a stamina morph of whip, you don't really understand how the stamdk works.7 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭If you are asking for a stamina morph of whip, you don't really understand how the stamdk works.
Great argument! Why is that?Ragnarock41 wrote: »Abysswarrior45 wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »AddictionX wrote: »Repeat after me.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
WILL NOT.
GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
one more time.
Wrobel Said He WILL NOT GIVE US A STAMINA WHIP.
Good! Leave my Molten Whip alone!
He will. Useless stamina whip feedback is suffocating the thread. Starts @ 01:02:40ishhttps://youtu.be/UBKT-Fu_B0A?t=1h2m43s
To be honest, these very same people is why we DO NOT GET BUFFS!!!! STOP IT!!! Your constant input for a stamina whip is counterproductive as its been since that update. No wonder you guys believe he they won't listen to you. Cause you are asking for the impossible.
Every stamina whip supporter must listen to his words in that video .... I WAS THERE WATCHING!
Q: Will Dragonknight EVER receive a stamina version of flame lash or molten whip?
A: ". . . . So, In general, I don't think that's something we want to do."- Wrobel
AOE caps was recently removed and guess what it took a COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT to even get that DONE WITH OVER 2 YEARS of constant resistance/bugs/updates/fixes. Do you really believe the few people who play DK since the beginning will be able to get that kind of support?!
Yes I do. We'll keep asking for another 2 years and believe it or not, the majority of dks want the stam whip.
The way I look at it, They either need to give stamina whip, or give us abilities similar to hurricane or crit surge, so that we can have easier time using dizzying swing/flurry. Stamina whip is not the only way to make Dks viable again, but It would be a very good step to get rid of SnB on literally every build.
Yes. It'd be nice to have the freedom to use something other than ransack spam or dizzy swing–the most garbage and most easily avoided burst skill in ESO–as our spammable. At the very least noxious is undodgeable but it still has a crap hitbox and venom claw, at least on console (PS4), still feels clunky when trying to apply. I'm unsure why, but burning embers and engulfing has always felt better when activating the skill.1 -
sneakymitchell✭✭✭✭Can you change the elder dragon passive? Give it like 15% health recovery nothing slotted. It will helps some Stam DKs not run heavily in draconic skill line to slot in. Or just rework the passive since defile goes through health recovery in which breaks health recovery builds.NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
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CrazYDunm3r✭✭✭✭I will really miss my empowered ult from chains as MagDK. For me empower was just fine, also for other classes.YouTube
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✭✭Can you people stop discussing if we get a stamina whip or not because Wrobel said he doesn't want to do it in general.
1. Stamina whip is just a Synonym for a high damage single target Stamina based class spammable. You can give stamdk as much AoE pressure as you want in the end you always lose vs other classes as stamdk simply can't tank enough and never will as giving stamdk enough survivability to face tank a group while being an offensive threat we have huge imbalances.
A stamina spammable won't even make stamdk good stamdk needs further improvement than just a spammable but a stamina spammable is a step in the right direction.
2. They said to never bring back procs guess what whe have now, Zaan, skoria and Caluurion.
They said to never give sorcs or Nbs infight healing, sorcs should only have shields and NBs should only get health back by killing players with mark and killer's blade. That changed a lot
They said so many things and then just did the complete opposite.
Also look when this Interview was done it was when thieves guild launched that was two years ago and at that time stamdk was viable. The situation today is much different the whole meta changed completely and stamdk is on the bottom because it has the weakest burst in the game that has lots of counterplay aswell.
And either you have good burst nowadays or a pressure build for both stamdk is completely outclassed by other classes.
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✭✭✭✭CrazYDunm3r wrote: »I will really miss my empowered ult from chains as MagDK. For me empower was just fine, also for other classes.
I think this new empower mechanic might actually make the ''empowered chains'' morph useful for stamDk. Considering crit rush got heavily nerfed, the two stacks of empower, combined with the new psijic line ability, has lots of potential.
Still, compared to warden's bird of prey, it still needs further buffs.Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 26, 2018 9:33AM0