Please limit the anniversary event. It is damaging the economy

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Callum

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

My gut tells me the motif drop rates have already been drastically reduced since the event started....

Yea the expensive motifs or the rare ones, the crates have definitely been ninja nerfed into oblivion, i don't even bother trying to do all the dailies anymore i just do the ones i find convienient and near me, like avoiding the obnoxious selection of daily undaunted.

MattT1988

Meh. The market needed to crash anyway. Things were way to expensive. I mean 50k for a semi rare motif page? LOL.

This is coming from more of a seller then a buyer.

themaddaedra

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

My gut tells me the motif drop rates have already been drastically reduced since the event started....

I have a similar gut.

jlboozer

All I do is trade and I am loving this event. I'm actually making more gold now because of all the traffic the event is bringing. Maybe you need to diversify what your selling. Low level mats are moving great right now because everyone is breaking out their low level crafters...learn to read the market bud!

myskyrim26

Please, stop making post about the economy. Please, read all the previous posts on this topic.

Anotherone773

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

ESO has one of the best economies of any MMO I have played. The event recks havoc on the economy, extending it will be very damaging long after it is over. Please do not saturate the markets. Doing so will make it such that everything will be easy mode to aquire and result in removing some motivation to play the game. Just my opinion but I do believe we are are already seeing many items in the market collapse.

No it doesnt. What economy are you talking about

Low income players go by with 50k a week.
Mid with 250k-1mil
High income 10 or more mil.

There is no economy with such vast difference between pockets and certainly the poor majority of the player base deserves to make some gold from SOME of the motifs they wont use.

Besides lol...

When you can farm/craft everything by yourself, you dont need to sell.
And unless you are a trading guild leader you wont have gold gear within a day.

You have to be pretty lazy to only make 50k a week in ESO. I can make well over 50k a week accidentally while playing. Also being poor is a choice not a condition even in the real world your decisions greatly affect how poor or rich you are. In ESO, or any online game its really easy not to be poor.

I bet those poor people that you are talking about, sell an item on the guild trader that has a vendor value of 100 gold, but they got it listed for 50 gold on the trader. Or they sell that item for 2 gold each on the trader when the average range is 10-15 gold an item. Or they dont bother looting any mobs "cause junk!"

If your poor in a game, then your doing something wrong or not even trying. In either case you dont deserve high end items because your not putting effort into acquiring them.

MattT1988

jlboozer wrote: »

All I do is trade and I am loving this event. I'm actually making more gold now because of all the traffic the event is bringing. Maybe you need to diversify what your selling. Low level mats are moving great right now because everyone is breaking out their low level crafters...learn to read the market bud!

This is actually good advice. I’m doing the same thing and making quite a bit of gold.

TequilaFire

I didn't realize we were playing Monopoly.
Those poor Tycoons!

zaria

TaranWanderer wrote: »

I hear what you are saying, but I really don't agree.

But I do believe that the entire economy needs to shift towards a crafting-centered one: needed special materials dropped in hard areas combined with crafters that invest massive amounts of time in their fields- foragers and makers. Also a return to the "best gear in game is craftable" mentality.

Jewelry crafting will be huge.

Motifs has gone up in price because the outfit system, this will bring the prices more back there it was.
Think prices dropped more last event.

DirkRavenclaw

I love this Event

veloSylraptor

I don't know, a lot of people enjoy having the stuff they want to be very accessible/affordable. Seems like the demographic this mainly hurts is the profiteers who seek to exploit other players and profit at the expense of those other players regardless of the harm it causes to the gameplay experience. So... no sympathy from me.

Franieck

Skwor wrote: »

ESO has one of the best economies of any MMO I have played. The event recks havoc on the economy, extending it will be very damaging long after it is over. Please do not saturate the markets. Doing so will make it such that everything will be easy mode to aquire and result in removing some motivation to play the game. Just my opinion but I do believe we are are already seeing many items in the market collapse.

I can't find one single statement I can agree with here... Eso's economy is far from being best, I wouldn't even go as far to call it average. Moreover, I'm not even sure what you are talking about? The only significant impact is on motifs (maybe some tempers to a very small degree?). Unless you were driving your profits from farming motifs and are now annoyed that you can't profit as much as before I fail to see how the market is collapsing according to you.

inthecoconut

They opened up the outfit style. Everyone bought up motifs like candy. With nothing to buy on the market, or the few pieces left cost 3x as much as they used to, I for one am super grateful for this event.

If anything, the "saturation" of motifs is stabilizing the market and bringing prices back to where they should be.

MrWesleyPipes

ah yes another post where op is crying about events hurting the economy, havent seen 5+ of these today.

Nihility42

Turelus wrote: »

At the most some rich players who those who specialised in motif trading will lose out.

And even if they do, it's their own fault. This was a very predictable event and outcome. We knew it was coming, knew it'd tank motif prices. If someone had a large stock of motifs that crashed, that's on them for not selling off their stock in time. And if they aren't adaptable enough to trade something else, they're just a bad trader.

Skwor

MrWesleyPipes wrote: »

ah yes another post where op is crying about events hurting the economy, havent seen 5+ of these today.

Perhaps becuase some of us are of the opinion it is true. I stated in my opening post it was my opinion. If you do not like my opinion you can counter it or not. Kind of the point of these boards is't it?

jedtb16_ESO

no it isn't.

it's pumping more resources in which will enable more people to participate. a good thing.

it's about time the op and others like him realized that the economy exists for everyone who wants to participate not just them.

Eldartar

Zhaedri wrote: »

Being someone that doesn't have a ton of in game gold, I really am enjoying this event. It gives me the chance at motifs and furnishing patterns I normally wouldn't otherwise get. It's a nice change from the usual drudgery of being a peasant of tamriel.

I suppose all you rich trading bigwigs will just have to console yourselves with only four new pure gold statues of yourselves instead of five.

There, there. Have some more wine. The rest of us will go back to eating free found 'pork' and grinding away our souls to line your pockets again soon enough.

Love this ...... Kudos to you.

Asardes

This thread be like: "I gobbled up every Worm Cult page at inflated prices because I thought I could sell even higher, and now I got shafted." Well when you speculate, you take a risk, in order to earn a reward. Now that risk just increased. It's how economy works IRL too. For example there are countless examples of apparently good investments, that turned bad overnight due to various factors. Ex. people mortgaging their home to buy more homes and resell those, and repeat, until they ended up with millions in loans, then having the bubble burst and have the value of the assets undercut by several dozen percent, going sub-prime

silvermistktralasub17_ESO

I will agree with a previous poster that we *did* in fact know that this was coming, because it had come last year. I knew not to focus on motifs in the few weeks leading up to this event. I expected it. And, so, I'm not badly hurt. We were discussing the event at least 2 months in advance in my guild, and setting up a guild repository so that our core guild members could get the motif chapters they needed. It's working great. But it does require forethought, which I think that many people don't seem to have.

Kalcipher1

I believe the material/motif saturation was an EXCELLENT idea by ZOS; critical, in fact... especially following the release of the Outfitting System introduced earlier this year. Unless a player has millions of gold or has played for a substantial amount of time, their outfitting is severely limited. Yes, this will deter a number of players from grinding dungeons for motifs for a time... Yes, motifs will be cheaper in at the traders. Yes, a select percentage of vets may feel cheated for the amount of time they spent grinding for motifs... but I think that in the overall scheme of things [long term], this is essential for the general player's satisfaction.

Chickenstein

Skwor wrote: »

MrWesleyPipes wrote: »

ah yes another post where op is crying about events hurting the economy, havent seen 5+ of these today.

Perhaps becuase some of us are of the opinion it is true. I stated in my opening post it was my opinion. If you do not like my opinion you can counter it or not. Kind of the point of these boards is't it?

Though I don't agree, I understand your reasoning. I think the main reason you're being mocked is not your opinion per se, but that you created ANOTHER thread about it.

IZZEFlameLash

Please limit the amount of threads like this. The game did not have much "economy" to begin with anyways. If you call artificial inflation of prices because of flippers an economy... well then... I am just glad this is not real life because we'd be in a lot worse shape irl then it currently is.

At best, this is as volatile as bitcoin and volatility is not good. And the game's "economy" has always been volatile because of inflated prices flippers put in. So, I do not oppose the idea of dropping prices through these events.

inthecoconut

Skwor wrote: »

Lord_Ninka wrote: »

Fair enough that you like a stable market, and I'm not too crazy about motifs dropping out of no where myself, I like to feel like my character is actually earning them, but it's a bit weird asking that other people don't get presents so you can earn more money.

Odd, what I am asking for is that everyone else put the same amount of effort to earn what I earned in game. You sound like you do not believe in effort verses reward.

Not much point in a game if we remove any real effort or achievements. Kind of goes against all the game theory I have l have learned

Honestly, if you want anything out of this event you need to put in a LOT of work. The average person isn't going to farm 90+ dailies for boxes. So those few who dedicate hours upon hours every day collecting dailies have, in my opinion, earned whatever rewards they get.

As an average/casual player that has collected about 8 boxes a day, averaging around 60 boxes total. I've acquired 1 worm motif (that I promptly sold since gold is more valuable to me than a helmet) and 1 Dro-m’athra chest piece which I gave to a friend that has been watching the guild traders like a hawk for the past month to grab the first listing he could find, but never had such luck.

The rest of my motifs have been weapons that I could care less about, and my luck is shared with the rest of my "casual" guildies and friends. They have so far received 1 or 2 "rare" motifs and then the rest could easily be considered junk. We've put in hours of free time to farm these boxes, and yet our playtime and effort doesn't even compare to the "try-hard" population where their entire day seems to revolve around this event. I really don't see anything wrong with rewarding people that want to spend their entire week doing nothing else but grinding. Personally, I'd rather do a vet dungeon and get skins and motif pages. At least dungeons, for me anyway, are more fun than running errands in Cyrodiil.

Nihility42

There is a lot more to the market than just motifs. This will crash the prices for a lot of motifs, but there will still be plenty of other things, such as gear, raw mats, tempers, and rare items, that will hold their value. If anything, this will help spread some of the wealth around to make the economy a bit more robust as I know a lot of people have made pretty good cash selling their motifs.

Slick_007

Skwor wrote: »

Odd, what I am asking for is that everyone else put the same amount of effort to earn what I earned in game. You sound like you do not believe in effort verses reward.

whats that got to do with your clickbait thread about the games economy?

Skwor

Asardes wrote: »

This thread be like: "I gobbled up every Worm Cult page at inflated prices because I thought I could sell even higher, and now I got shafted." Well when you speculate, you take a risk, in order to earn a reward. Now that risk just increased. It's how economy works IRL too. For example there are countless examples of apparently good investments, that turned bad overnight due to various factors. Ex. people mortgaging their home to buy more homes and resell those, and repeat, until they ended up with millions in loans, then having the bubble burst and have the value of the assets undercut by several dozen percent, going sub-prime

LOL you could not be further from the truth. Just to clear the air I completed worm by getting 7 motifs in the jubilee chests then managed to but the other 7 for under 300k total. I have not sold ot bought one since. Also being a good trader I emptied my motif stock before the event. My main trade is usually potents and rare crsfting resources.

with all that said I am of the opinion this is hurting the overall economy, especially the extension.

Drachenfier

veloSylraptor wrote: »

I don't know, a lot of people enjoy having the stuff they want to be very accessible/affordable. Seems like the demographic this mainly hurts is the profiteers who seek to exploit other players and profit at the expense of those other players regardless of the harm it causes to the gameplay experience. So... no sympathy from me.

This ^^ is why the OP is upset.

josiahva

Skwor wrote: »

ESO has one of the best economies of any MMO I have played. The event recks havoc on the economy, extending it will be very damaging long after it is over. Please do not saturate the markets. Doing so will make it such that everything will be easy mode to aquire and result in removing some motivation to play the game. Just my opinion but I do believe we are are already seeing many items in the market collapse.

LMAO, ESO has such a fake economy already, I don't see this making things any worse.