PVPers that kill people questing in towns

Samadhi

Nyladreas wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You don't really get very much AP, the person you're killing obviously will not be geared for PVP so it's under no circumstances a fair fight, and killing them serves no purpose at all.

Why are so many people actually going to the trouble of camping quest towns and ambushing people who obviously aren't there to PVP during this event?

Because that's all they have going for them in game, and maybe in life.

I agree with him. If you go out of your way to hunt down defenseless targets and get some sort of high from it, it speaks a lot about your life and personality.

The only "salty" players here are the gankers. But nice try.

There's a difference between 'going out of your way' and just stumbling across them while doing your own dailies. If I come across a noob, pver, or pvper, I'm going to fight them

I remember being a noob myself doing these dailies and no one showed remorse then, so why on earth should I?

Why on earth could you not? Congratulations on becoming the same crappy person as they were and being a part of the problem. If honestly you feel like killing innocent players that have absolutely no relation to who used to be killing you, is accomplishing anything then just wow. Wow... It's not even real vengeance.

Just wow. I'm speechless. Another sheep in the herd.

The key is to realize there isn't a problem

if Cyrodiil is not the playstyle for you, can respect that
but you may come across difficulties
if you expect people to change their playstyle for your sake
just by virtue of your presence in the zone

It's really not about me as much as others and me being courteous to them knowing exactly how *** it can be. But no matter. I'll have my opinion and you keep yours

remember exactly how it was before learning to participate
but gaming in environments designed to be played like Cyrodiil has become far more enjoyable upon taking that step
rather than expecting accommodation from everyone

thanks for sharing your opinion just the same, gave you an insightful

DieAlteHexe

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

No point in getting upset with PvPers doing their thing in their territory. Rather grouse at ZMax for putting PvE objectives in PvP territory.

Sorry, ZMax, but that (putting PvE objectives) in PvP-land is annoying. If we wanted to "taste" PvP, we would of our own volition.

As someone who enjoys Cyrodiil content,
particularly since they implemented town ownership via flags

Thank you Zenimax for putting these objectives into Cyrodiil

Sorry to the players who do not like it,
but if it makes you feel any better -- did not slow any of you down by running a single pledge today
nor got myself involved with Morrowind or Wrothgar quests
Got 90 boxes from doing crafting writs on all my characters,
then went and enjoyed playing around with an exp buff on my most recent character

best thing to do is get boxes doing what you enjoy,
rather than chase boxes that seem easiest
then complain that it was not as easy as it seemed because the design of the content 'got in the way'

Hope people manage to find ways to enjoy the event either way

Eh, I was speaking in more general terms. The boxes? Don't need to go into Insta-Death Territory. Have plenty of other places to do 'em.

But the achievements etc. that ZMax decided needed to be in IDT...that does irk me.

Why do the achievements irk you exactly?

Personally enjoy that they put achievements in game that reward different playstyles
everyone likes when cheevos pop

Because I don't like PvPing...or better put in my case, being someone else's "content".

I'm glad you enjoy it, and I agree it's a good thing that there is variety but I don't like ZMax trying to "tempt" me to PvP by putting achievements (fishing, etc.) in an area where I would have to learn entirely new methods, gear etc. So, I generally don't bother but I'm thisclose to Master Angler and every stinkin' time I try to get those last few fish, GANK SQUAD arrives.

bongtokin420insd16

lol just as a haha i was killed in the town that isnt a spawn point or an objective. I honestly don't care. I can knock out 10-20 quests inside an hour for the event and get my boxes. If i get killed during peak hours once in a while, well thats a fair trade.

I get both sides of this argument but we might as well be necroing a dozen other threads with the same complaints. We all just need to learn to deal, and remember that others are not going to golden rule you in a game. Its not real life after all.

VaranisArano

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

No point in getting upset with PvPers doing their thing in their territory. Rather grouse at ZMax for putting PvE objectives in PvP territory.

Sorry, ZMax, but that (putting PvE objectives) in PvP-land is annoying. If we wanted to "taste" PvP, we would of our own volition.

As someone who enjoys Cyrodiil content,
particularly since they implemented town ownership via flags

Thank you Zenimax for putting these objectives into Cyrodiil

Sorry to the players who do not like it,
but if it makes you feel any better -- did not slow any of you down by running a single pledge today
nor got myself involved with Morrowind or Wrothgar quests
Got 90 boxes from doing crafting writs on all my characters,
then went and enjoyed playing around with an exp buff on my most recent character

best thing to do is get boxes doing what you enjoy,
rather than chase boxes that seem easiest
then complain that it was not as easy as it seemed because the design of the content 'got in the way'

Hope people manage to find ways to enjoy the event either way

Eh, I was speaking in more general terms. The boxes? Don't need to go into Insta-Death Territory. Have plenty of other places to do 'em.

But the achievements etc. that ZMax decided needed to be in IDT...that does irk me.

Why do the achievements irk you exactly?

Personally enjoy that they put achievements in game that reward different playstyles
everyone likes when cheevos pop

Because I don't like PvPing...or better put in my case, being someone else's "content".

I'm glad you enjoy it, and I agree it's a good thing that there is variety but I don't like ZMax trying to "tempt" me to PvP by putting achievements (fishing, etc.) in an area where I would have to learn entirely new methods, gear etc. So, I generally don't bother but I'm thisclose to Master Angler and every stinkin' time I try to get those last few fish, GANK SQUAD arrives.

That sucks! I definitely spent my last few fish cursing the devs for putting all the ocean fish right by AD's gate. Though I got ganked more by Lake Rumare.

Ultimately, I doubt I would have ever become a PVPer without those Master Angler fish in Cyrodiil, so in my case ZOS was entirely successful. My SO, on the other hand, can PVP but has no interest in doing so despite getting those PVE achievements in Cyrodiil, so it really is individual preference as you say.

Good luck fishing!

Samadhi

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

No point in getting upset with PvPers doing their thing in their territory. Rather grouse at ZMax for putting PvE objectives in PvP territory.

Sorry, ZMax, but that (putting PvE objectives) in PvP-land is annoying. If we wanted to "taste" PvP, we would of our own volition.

As someone who enjoys Cyrodiil content,
particularly since they implemented town ownership via flags

Thank you Zenimax for putting these objectives into Cyrodiil

Sorry to the players who do not like it,
but if it makes you feel any better -- did not slow any of you down by running a single pledge today
nor got myself involved with Morrowind or Wrothgar quests
Got 90 boxes from doing crafting writs on all my characters,
then went and enjoyed playing around with an exp buff on my most recent character

best thing to do is get boxes doing what you enjoy,
rather than chase boxes that seem easiest
then complain that it was not as easy as it seemed because the design of the content 'got in the way'

Hope people manage to find ways to enjoy the event either way

Eh, I was speaking in more general terms. The boxes? Don't need to go into Insta-Death Territory. Have plenty of other places to do 'em.

But the achievements etc. that ZMax decided needed to be in IDT...that does irk me.

Why do the achievements irk you exactly?

Personally enjoy that they put achievements in game that reward different playstyles
everyone likes when cheevos pop

Because I don't like PvPing...or better put in my case, being someone else's "content".

I'm glad you enjoy it, and I agree it's a good thing that there is variety but I don't like ZMax trying to "tempt" me to PvP by putting achievements (fishing, etc.) in an area where I would have to learn entirely new methods, gear etc. So, I generally don't bother but I'm thisclose to Master Angler and every stinkin' time I try to get those last few fish, GANK SQUAD arrives.

Are you a strictly solo player then, if you do not like sharing in content with other players?
Or do you only view PvP interactions through that lens?

DieAlteHexe

VaranisArano wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

No point in getting upset with PvPers doing their thing in their territory. Rather grouse at ZMax for putting PvE objectives in PvP territory.

Sorry, ZMax, but that (putting PvE objectives) in PvP-land is annoying. If we wanted to "taste" PvP, we would of our own volition.

As someone who enjoys Cyrodiil content,
particularly since they implemented town ownership via flags

Thank you Zenimax for putting these objectives into Cyrodiil

Sorry to the players who do not like it,
but if it makes you feel any better -- did not slow any of you down by running a single pledge today
nor got myself involved with Morrowind or Wrothgar quests
Got 90 boxes from doing crafting writs on all my characters,
then went and enjoyed playing around with an exp buff on my most recent character

best thing to do is get boxes doing what you enjoy,
rather than chase boxes that seem easiest
then complain that it was not as easy as it seemed because the design of the content 'got in the way'

Hope people manage to find ways to enjoy the event either way

Eh, I was speaking in more general terms. The boxes? Don't need to go into Insta-Death Territory. Have plenty of other places to do 'em.

But the achievements etc. that ZMax decided needed to be in IDT...that does irk me.

Why do the achievements irk you exactly?

Personally enjoy that they put achievements in game that reward different playstyles
everyone likes when cheevos pop

Because I don't like PvPing...or better put in my case, being someone else's "content".

I'm glad you enjoy it, and I agree it's a good thing that there is variety but I don't like ZMax trying to "tempt" me to PvP by putting achievements (fishing, etc.) in an area where I would have to learn entirely new methods, gear etc. So, I generally don't bother but I'm thisclose to Master Angler and every stinkin' time I try to get those last few fish, GANK SQUAD arrives.

That sucks! I definitely spent my last few fish cursing the devs for putting all the ocean fish right by AD's gate. Though I got ganked more by Lake Rumare.

Ultimately, I doubt I would have ever become a PVPer without those Master Angler fish in Cyrodiil, so in my case ZOS was entirely successful. My SO, on the other hand, can PVP but has no interest in doing so despite getting those PVE achievements in Cyrodiil, so it really is individual preference as you say.

Good luck fishing!

Thanks. LOL...I apparently need it. I was so chuffed when I figured out how to get past those damned slaughterfish but then....SPLAT...and SPLAT...and SPLAT. Ah well, I WILL find a time when I can get this done. I didn't come this far to give up now.

I swear, I'm tempted to /z "Hi everybody, carebear here just trying to get my last couple of fish. How 'bout we make a deal? I get those fish and then I'll mosey on over somewhere and you guys can beat the livin' tar out of me?".

bongtokin420insd16

lol does that work? Can you message the other faction? Oh my lol.......

Just for giggles...

DieAlteHexe

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

lol does that work? Can you message the other faction? Oh my lol.......

Just for giggles...

I have no idea...come to think on it, likely not. Some games let you, some don't. I'm a PvP ignoramus here.

As for the bears (barf), I don't do cute. If you're familiar with Discworld, think Nanny Ogg.

IcyDeadPeople

At launch, I seem to recall most didn't attack questers or people with low alliance rank. However, back then there wasn't much you could do with alliance points. Now that you can finally buy some cool stuff with AP like monster helms, gold jewelry, etc, most players will attack enemy faction on sight.

If you get attacked, I suggest to give a shout in zone chat. There will likely be some ally players willing to join you in the town and have fun killing the enemies.

Samadhi

VaranisArano wrote: »

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This is a long-winded way of saying that I benefited from exposure to PVP through PVE content. However, getting good at PVP required a lot of time and practice...

This is difficult for me to relate to
but maybe it is due to never considering myself good at PvP, just join in for fun
for me it was about learning to let go

In Cyrodiil I just get out on the floor and dance like not even my dance partner is watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MCjU-Du3eI

Slick_007

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You don't really get very much AP, the person you're killing obviously will not be geared for PVP so it's under no circumstances a fair fight, and killing them serves no purpose at all.

Why are so many people actually going to the trouble of camping quest towns and ambushing people who obviously aren't there to PVP during this event?

let me get this straight. you are knowingly going into a pvp zone, and now complaining on the forums that you got pvp'd?

i used to play a game a while back, where if you complained to one of the game admins or anyone else about dying to another player, they gave you another death to shut you up. and when you died there, you lost xp. it was possible to die back to lvl 1.

If only that policy existed here.

XP: 0
AP: 300
Knowing your victim is on the forums crying: Priceless!

ArchMikem

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Why are so many people actually going to the trouble of camping quest towns and ambushing people who obviously aren't there to PVP during this event?

They're sick of the back and forth zerg grind normal PvP gives them, so they jump at the chance of an easy target to boost their ego. What's funny is when the Quester fights back and destroys them. That's some justification for teabagging if I ever saw one.

Morgul667

You realise you can res in most towns and get AP for your own death defense tick?

olsborg

Its cyrodiil. Fair game.

Juju_beans

Cyro is the ONLY pvp zone. The rest of the game is PVE.
I went into Cyro today to do the quests.
Stayed off the main roads..kept my eyes peeled for enemy players.

There are no "safe spaces" for pve players in Cyro.

If you don't like pvp then stay out of the pvp zone.

Reverb

If it's a town with no PvP objectives, like Chorrol or Cheydinhal, I'll ignore questers unless they attack first. If it's a capturable town, players should expect to be seen as enemy combatants and treated as such.

Silver_Strider

This happened last year too.

Cyrodiil/IC is not a place to do daily quests in on a PvE build. Either come prepared to defend yourself or don't come at all. There is PLENTY of dailies you can do in PvE without the risk of ganks that I really don't see a reason why people continue to pour into PvP just for the dailies. I mean seriously.

6 Crafting Dailies
1 Daily for Fighters Guild, Mages Guild and Undaunted each
3 Dungeon Dailies
2 Hew's Bane and Wrothgar Dailies
3 Gold Coast Dailies
4 Morrowind and CWC dailies

That is 27 PvE related dailies and that's assuming you don't get someone to share their dailies with you. Yes, they're generally more time consuming but there is little to no risk involved with them like the PvP dailies and getting killed doing PvP dailies adds to their timer that, unless you can complete them all without getting ganked, you are almost guaranteed to be better off doing PvE quests as far as time management goes.

FloppyTouch

Question, how do you know someone is just doing a quest and not another pvper?

Is it the ugly skins that can't be it pvper use them is it the low rank naw that's not it I have low rank pvp characters I guess it's just kill all the things and deal with it.

Gilvoth

we are not "scumbag's" like you said.

killing enemies in PvP area / world / town ect ect is what i payed real life money for, and why i play in a PvP area, if i see an enemy, i fight them because i enjoy PvP.

and again i ask you, when we go to PvE zone should you stop PvE'ing? or does it make you a "scumbag" to continue to PvE when we are in your PvE zone?

Jhalin

it's a pvp zone, what are you expecting?

bottleofsyrup

They're usually cowards who are afraid of "real" PvP. It's always funny when they try to gank me at Cheydinhal because they don't think I'm a PvPer. They often don't come back either since it's such a long ride from their nearest keep. I'll even go over and kill the ganker if someone in zone calls it out.

When it comes to Bruma, Cropsford or Vlastarus, though, it's kill on sight no matter what just because they're capturable.

Maura_Neysa

I've talked about it before, but I really loved the PvP system from an old MMO

• Active Military - PvP could happen anywhere. As in all of Tamerial was just like Cryodiil is now
• On Leave - Maintain your rank and perks, but you're not attackable. Just like PvP is everywhere except Cryodiil now. However you were automatically set to Active Military when you entered into PvP zones. So this one would function just like the world does now. The only difference is that when leaving Cryodiil to go back, you would need to talk to the NPC to set your status as On Leave again.
• Civilian - Didn't matter where you went, no where was PvP. If you hate PvP use this setting to quest in Cryodiil.

So there was just NPC, Alliance appropriate, that you talk to about switching between the 3. For the hardcore PvPers this added a whole new dimension, because you had to be ready for sneak attacks all the time. The other serious advantage was the ability to switch Alliances. This had a cost though, a big one. If you were part of an Alliance, and you chose the Civilian options, you would loose all of your military standing. Even if you went back to the same Alliance, you would be a recruit again. As a Civilian though, when you talked to the recruiter, for the appropriate Alliance and join that Alliance. The cost was enough to prevent Alliance hopping. Now that game only allowed one Character so in ESO "Spies" would still be an issue, unless it was implemented differently.

This also has the side benefit of being WAY THE F more lore friendly. The Alliance war would not stay contained in Cryodiil. Yes the fighting would be most intense there, but it would still spill out. As well, where are all the people who once lived in Cryodiil. Shouldn't every keep have craft stations and economy? This section isn't about changes I think need to be made

I suspect this would also cut down on the number of dueling feast outside high population areas like Undaunted or City Wayshrines. Though those places would also make great snipers roosts.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Love this thread. Everything that needed to be said was already said. I was going to skip this even but the salt and tears makes me want to get on a nightblade and get out there.

Enslaved

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You don't really get very much AP, the person you're killing obviously will not be geared for PVP so it's under no circumstances a fair fight, and killing them serves no purpose at all.

Why are so many people actually going to the trouble of camping quest towns and ambushing people who obviously aren't there to PVP during this event?

I agree with your point here. Battlegrounds would net them much more APs. They do this only to grief others.

Beardimus

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You don't really get very much AP, the person you're killing obviously will not be geared for PVP so it's under no circumstances a fair fight, and killing them serves no purpose at all.

Why are so many people actually going to the trouble of camping quest towns and ambushing people who obviously aren't there to PVP during this event?

Huh??? It's a PvP zone. If people can't PvP in the one zone dedicated to it where can they!

Honestly.

How about "PvEers who hate PvP and can't be bothered to learn how to play it or are too lazy to even have a setup and expect to come to PvP area to farm goodies during an event unopposed are SCUMBAGS" as its more apt.

I'm actually an all round player, done more PvE than PvP till the last year but these ridiculous sensitive feelings from the PvE carebear really do give PvEers a bad name.

greylox

They are just bad at PvP and need easy kills to inflate their ego. Standard mmo stuff.

Feanor

Where does the idea come from that you get less AP for killing a PvE player doing hub quests? It's the same 1.5kish as for everybody else. Only killing the same player a second time (or more often) during the cool down after the first kill gets you close to 0 AP.

What's so shocking about getting killed in a PvP area if you didn't prepare for it? That's the equivalent of walking into vCoS or Mazza unprepared and expecting a no death HM run first try. What would you say to a party member who came into your HM Dungeon run totally unprepared?

But it's always the PvP players fault. They're even scumbags. This is rich.

Morgul667

You dont seriously expect people to stop playing what they like so you can enjoy a little "me time" in the middle of the war zone, do you ?

I happen to play both but love PVP more. Love it when people see me on my level 20 toon doing quest and expect an easy kill^^

When you walk in there you must be ready for anything

Farorin

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Here's the thing. You get what, 300 ap for killing me. You get that exact amount of AP for doing one of the quickie quests. So instead of sitting there killing a player every other minute and wasting their time, you could just do the quests and move on to the next set, make more ap, and not waste the other person's time.

This is a big issue with this event, the dailies in the towns are by far the quickest to do, and it's absolutely trolling to be sitting there killing people trying to farm these instead of going where actual PVP is.

Also, if your goal is AP, that's literally what battlegrounds are for.

Some people aren't in it for AP.

I don't care for the AP, EXP, or any other points, or grinding, or any of that. I just want to fight and kill. So I go to the zone that is for fighting and killing.

If you don't want to be killed by other players, maybe a PVP zone isn't for you? I mean, would you glove up and walk into a boxing ring and then complain that the mean ol' boxer guy punched you?

FloppyTouch

Just wanted to add that pvp players are doing these quest too for the rewards so they are not just camping these places to kill you. They just think you are just another pvp player and killing you makes these quest more fun.

This is not the best time to do these quest bc they are going to be active with the pvp population. Go to a dead server if you want less action