Bleeds

Skander

Oh, forgot to say. The guy is an altmer

VaranisArano

Did you have a question or point you wanted to argue, other than posting a death recap where someone (your guy, the other guy?) Is an Altmer?

Please clarify.

There's a current thread about counters to bleed builds here:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/402214/counter-to-bleed-builds#latest

Sixty5

So you died to dots over a period of at least 10 seconds?

What is the issue here?

Sharee

You're a NB, you can cloak to reduce all DOT damage on you (including bleeds) to zero.

Qbiken

I´ve seen some of your youtube videos where you present your magplar builds (Tried the one from your latest video and liked it a lot, so they´re good builds). The only thing I was quite confused with was the low amount of CP you apply into thick skinned. If I remember correctly you justify it by saying you can purge it as a Templar, and therefore you don´t need to put points into Thick Skinned.


But having bleed ticks that ticks for slightly over 1k (Bleeds tick once every 2 seconds) and implying it´s an issue baffles me....

Sharee wrote: »

You're a NB, you can cloak to reduce all DOT damage on you (including bleeds) to zero.

Think he´s a magplar.

Skander

This was my magblade. i have 20-40 cps on thick skinned.

And not every magblade has cloak, in heavy armor is not worth to use it

I'm just linking how bleeds are overperforming, waiting for the zerglings to slot them, and wait for a nerf-fix on them.

VaranisArano

Skander wrote: »

This was my magblade. i have 20-40 cps on thick skinned.

And not every magblade has cloak, in heavy armor is not worth to use it

I'm just linking how bleeds are overperforming, waiting for the zerglings to slot them, and wait for a nerf-fix on them.

Maybe try putting that info in your OP so its clearer what you actually want this thread to accomplish?

Sharee

Qbiken wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

You're a NB, you can cloak to reduce all DOT damage on you (including bleeds) to zero.

Think he´s a magplar.

Look at the hints below the death recap.

Sharee

Skander wrote: »

And not every magblade has cloak, in heavy armor is not worth to use it

It is not any worse in heavy than in medium (its better in fact), and every stamblade uses cloak so...

Qbiken

Sharee wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

You're a NB, you can cloak to reduce all DOT damage on you (including bleeds) to zero.

Think he´s a magplar.

Look at the hints below the death recap.

Aha, now I see :P

Linking bleed-ticks that deals 500-600 DPS each is hardly overperforming......(All bleeds tick once every 2 seconds)

ascan7

0/10 you should have used agony like the advisor said

Aznox

OP :

I am using using heavy armor and getting killed by bleed !

answer :

Yes, bleed counters heavy armor because it ignores resistances.
As a magblade you have access to strong tools to fight bleed, like cloak and shields.

OP :

I don't want to use these tools that could be useful to me, because they are useless !

Nothing new here

Skander

Aznox wrote: »

OP :

I am using using heavy armor and getting killed by bleed !

answer :

Yes, bleed counters heavy armor because it ignores resistances.
As a magblade you have access to strong tools to fight bleed, like cloak and shields.

OP :

I don't want to use these tools that could be useful to me, because they are useless !

Nothing new here

Also bleeds can crit, but oblivion damage (the magicka equivalent of bleeds that isn't even in the game as skill or skill passive) can't

Minno

1568 per tick sounds about normal for a stamina dot.

Want to mess with them? 10% crit dmg/crit chance reduction poisons

Aznox

Also bleeds can crit

Yes ... like all dots that are applied from a player ability, i think everyone knows that.

oblivion damage (the magicka equivalent of bleeds that isn't even in the game as skill or skill passive) can't

oblivion damage isn't the "magicka equivalent" of bleed more that magicka dots are.

oblivion damage bypass shield, bleeds and magicka dots don't.

but then again, everyone knows that.

Aznox

Minno wrote: »

Want to mess with them? 10% crit dmg/crit chance reduction poisons

I don't see the point, this isn't more effective against bleeds than against any other source of damage.

Skander

Aznox wrote: »

Also bleeds can crit

Yes ... like all dots that are applied from a player ability, i think everyone knows that.

oblivion damage (the magicka equivalent of bleeds that isn't even in the game as skill or skill passive) can't

oblivion damage isn't the "magicka equivalent" of bleed more that magicka dots are.

oblivion damage bypass shield, bleeds and magicka dots don't.

but then again, everyone knows that.

I didn't know that. Becouse i as magicka, i have nothing to bypass resistences. Give me that, and we'll be fine.

WillhelmBlack

There's this skill Templar have access to.............

Still having trouble? Put points into Thaum. It's that easy.

Minno

Aznox wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Want to mess with them? 10% crit dmg/crit chance reduction poisons

I don't see the point, this isn't more effective against bleeds than against any other source of damage.

6 seconds of crit chance reduction seems pretty nice, especially since everyone gets 50% crit dmg anyway.
Which also matches the 6 seconds of Axe bleed duration.

Aznox

Minno wrote: »

6 seconds of crit chance reduction seems pretty nice, especially since everyone gets 50% crit dmg anyway.

yes ... but no, numbers matter.

Everybody has 50% base crit dmg, but everybody runs impenetrable traits, so lets says opponent has 25% crit damage after that, and lets give him a very generous 50% crit chance.

So critical hits up his average damage from 1 to 1,125

Now your poison sets him to 15% crit damage and 40% crit change.

So now his average damage goes down from 1,125 to 1,06

But your poison only has 50% uptime (6 sec duration, 10 sec cooldown, 1sec to proc it again at best)

So we take the average of both : 1,0925

Conclusion : your poison is making your opponent average damage drop from 1,125 to 1,0925

Your poison is reducing your opponent's damage by 2,89%

You probably have a much better use for this poison/enchant slot

Minno

Aznox wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

6 seconds of crit chance reduction seems pretty nice, especially since everyone gets 50% crit dmg anyway.

yes ... but no, numbers matter.

Everybody has 50% base crit dmg, but everybody runs impenetrable traits, so lets says opponent has 25% crit damage after that, and lets give him a very generous 50% crit chance.

So critical hits up his average damage from 1 to 1,125

Now your poison sets him to 15% crit damage and 40% crit change.

So now his average damage goes down from 1,125 to 1,06

But your poison only has 50% uptime (6 sec duration, 10 sec cooldown, 1sec to proc it again at best)

So we take the average of both : 1,0925

Conclusion : your poison is making your opponent average damage drop from 1,125 to 1,0925

Your poison is reducing your opponent's damage by 2,89%

You probably have a much better use for this poison/enchant slot

yea, sounds about right. Since OP is a nightblade, he has minor maim attached to his kit( and thus doesn't need to slot a way to get it) 2.89% dmg reduction tied to no cost procs looks great.

I wouldn't ever use it on a front bar since there are way better enchants/poisons, but backbar it has use.

Checkmath

In my opinion bleed is fine as it is. It only gets really strong with master axes or blooddrinker set.

Aznox

Minno wrote: »

2.89% dmg reduction tied to no cost procs looks great.

No it doesn't.

Let's say your opponent does a huuge 100000 damage to you over 10 seconds. (hint : probably will be closer to half of that)

This poison will save you ... 2890 health

There are other poisons that will give you more health than that, while also doing damage to your opponent.

Please tell me you don't need a third round on this

Edit : also there are no such thing as "no cost" or "free" when talking about builds, it's called "opportunity cost"

Skander

Checkmath wrote: »

In my opinion bleed is fine as it is. It only gets really strong with master axes or blooddrinker set.

Good luck fighting a meridia+bleed build.

cazlonb16_ESO

You do realize those damage figures are the sum of the corresponding bleed, right ? Divide that by the little number in front of it to get the damage per tick - just over 1k in the screenshot. Hardly seems overpowered.

Skander wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

In my opinion bleed is fine as it is. It only gets really strong with master axes or blooddrinker set.

Good luck fighting a meridia+bleed build.

Does the blind actually work on live ? The Templar blind skill was outright pulled from the game for being to powerful...

Aznox

Good luck fighting a meridia+bleed build.

Yes Meridia blind works on live ... but how is that even related to bleed ?

There is absolutely no synergy with these two things and yet you put them together, sometimes i'm seriously asking myself if you are serious or if i'm getting trolled.

Skander

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

You do realize those damage figures are the sum of the corresponding bleed, right ? Divide that by the little number in front of it to get the damage per tick - just over 1k in the screenshot. Hardly seems overpowered.

Skander wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

In my opinion bleed is fine as it is. It only gets really strong with master axes or blooddrinker set.

Good luck fighting a meridia+bleed build.

Does the blind actually work on live ? The Templar blind skill was outright pulled from the game for being to powerful...

yes it works

Aznox wrote: »

Good luck fighting a meridia+bleed build.

Yes Meridia blind works on live ... but how is that even related to bleed ?

There is absolutely no synergy with these two things and yet you put them together, sometimes i'm seriously asking myself if you are serious or if i'm getting trolled.

Nah, just telling how cancerouse meridia is, just to remind someone. Bleed need a dmg nerf or not to crit

Sixty5

Skander wrote: »

This was my magblade. i have 20-40 cps on thick skinned.

And not every magblade has cloak, in heavy armor is not worth to use it

I'm just linking how bleeds are overperforming, waiting for the zerglings to slot them, and wait for a nerf-fix on them.

On a class with a dumb amount of escapes and healing, you couldn't deal with ~1k dot dps from bleeds?

I fail to see how this shows bleeds are overperforming. This looks more like you sat down and did nothing for 10 seconds while you slowly bled out.

Savos_Saren

Skander wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Also bleeds can crit

Yes ... like all dots that are applied from a player ability, i think everyone knows that.

oblivion damage (the magicka equivalent of bleeds that isn't even in the game as skill or skill passive) can't

oblivion damage isn't the "magicka equivalent" of bleed more that magicka dots are.

oblivion damage bypass shield, bleeds and magicka dots don't.

but then again, everyone knows that.

I didn't know that. Becouse i as magicka, i have nothing to bypass resistences. Give me that, and we'll be fine.

Actually, he/she makes a valid point. There is no such magicka DoT that ignores all spell resistance. Fire and Lightning have Poison and Disease as their counter parts. Chilled DoT damage should ignore all spell resistance.

...this would instantly make Ice Damage Dealers relevant as DPS.

IZZEFlameLash

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Also bleeds can crit

Yes ... like all dots that are applied from a player ability, i think everyone knows that.

oblivion damage (the magicka equivalent of bleeds that isn't even in the game as skill or skill passive) can't

oblivion damage isn't the "magicka equivalent" of bleed more that magicka dots are.

oblivion damage bypass shield, bleeds and magicka dots don't.

but then again, everyone knows that.

I didn't know that. Becouse i as magicka, i have nothing to bypass resistences. Give me that, and we'll be fine.

Actually, he/she makes a valid point. There is no such magicka DoT that ignores all spell resistance. Fire and Lightning have Poison and Disease as their counter parts. Chilled DoT damage should ignore all spell resistance.

...this would instantly make Ice Damage Dealers relevant as DPS.

Probably. Because no armor can stop you from freezing to death. Would make good magicka dot.

lucky_Sage

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Also bleeds can crit

Yes ... like all dots that are applied from a player ability, i think everyone knows that.

oblivion damage (the magicka equivalent of bleeds that isn't even in the game as skill or skill passive) can't

oblivion damage isn't the "magicka equivalent" of bleed more that magicka dots are.

oblivion damage bypass shield, bleeds and magicka dots don't.

but then again, everyone knows that.

I didn't know that. Becouse i as magicka, i have nothing to bypass resistences. Give me that, and we'll be fine.

Actually, he/she makes a valid point. There is no such magicka DoT that ignores all spell resistance. Fire and Lightning have Poison and Disease as their counter parts. Chilled DoT damage should ignore all spell resistance.

...this would instantly make Ice Damage Dealers relevant as DPS.

Probably. Because no armor can stop you from freezing to death. Would make good magicka dot.

ive made a lot of post about frost staff changing from tank to spell pen because it just makes sense