ESO Class Representative Program
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭
Nope, YOU don't want them.
I have no problem with 19 year old representative if he knows the game and class he plays.
Not many 19 year olds that have the maturity and experience to relay community feedback without bias and not take offence at the way some community members give feedback. The one that do likely don’t play MMOs3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lets be real, its going to be via popular vote, so it'll go to streamers/popular people in the community.
that's horrible. i hope that is not true.
but who am i kidding, hasn't it already been this way since beta 2013?
the famous guys just no longer play so they want new blood?
this is sad and depressing. i hope i and you are wrong.3 -
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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I know plenty of 30 and 40 year old people who also lack those qualities.
Not many 19 year olds that have the maturity and experience to relay community feedback without bias and not take offence at the way some community members give feedback. The one that do likely don’t play MMOs
Maturity is something each person can be different at, just because someone is older or younger doesn't mean they know how to act like a mature adult and work without bias.Edited by Turelus on March 19, 2018 8:37AM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭I know plenty of 30 and 40 year old people who also lack those qualities.
Maturity is something each person can be different at, just because someone is older or younger doesn't mean they know how to act like a mature adult and work without bias.
@Turelus ... I actually have 3 world leaders in mind that perfectly prove this point.
edit: verbs are difficultEdited by Elsterchen on March 19, 2018 8:39AM1 -
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Yeah TBH there are a lot of them who don't act anywhere near how they should for their positions. Although I remembered after posting (and reason for edit) I can't really make jokes here as it is against rules. I also don't want to derail this thread with political arguments.Elsterchen wrote: »
Turelus ... I actually have 3 world leaders in mind that perfectly make this point.
On topic I am liking a lot of the names coming up, I'm also sure that those who get selected will be reaching out and reading in threads in the community to get more feedback and not just be basing it off their own desires.
I think some people are looking at this as if the people selected will be joining the dev team in actively developing classes which doesn't seem like what ZOS is saying, more they will have more direct lines to Wrobel and his team to say "hey, these issues upset a lot of people. Please can you look at them next quarter."
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Zorgon_The_Revenged✭✭✭✭✭A resource to highlight, track down and finally clear up some of the bugs - great.
Hoping that some class balance issues will be addressed, which is honestly a difference in player ability in many cases, as long as skills act the same in PvP as PvE (end game and the new "hard mode" overland coming soon™
) then balance is something more likely to reduce enjoyment of the game than enhance. 0 -
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✭✭Like others have said, I don't see this working well with only 10 "representatives" in total. The most knowledgeable and objective players don't just happen to also play both magicka and stamina in all kinds of PvE and PvP in different groupsizes.
For what it's worth, I'd think @Derra for magSorc and @Cinbri for magTemplar would be good picks if they happen to be interested.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭Just confirmed ZOS doesn’t play the game + has no idea how to balance. Lost a bit of trust from me but a very good approach3 -
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Other than the fact members of ZOS keep tweeting about their playing it and Rich doing a live stream the other day.Just confirmed ZOS doesn’t play the game + has no idea how to balance. Lost a bit of trust from me but a very good approach
I think that "devs don't even play" thing has been debunked for a long time now if you actually follow the game or the devs.
This is a good thing though, having few voices who can take all the information we spew onto the forums or in chat channels and funnel it into a single quarterly report should help a lot.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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MalcolM24✭✭✭✭I hope that whoever gets chosen will be able to think about other people's perspectives (both from the group and the community) instead of only looking at his/her own class.
I can understand it's 'only' 10 people too, if there would be a person for every spec we'd end up with 20+ random persons of all ages & characters, and getting a general consensus/'list of pain points' amongst that ... might be difficult.PvP Guides & Builds
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✭✭✭✭Other than the fact members of ZOS keep tweeting about their playing it and Rich doing a live stream the other day.
I think that "devs don't even play" thing has been debunked for a long time now if you actually follow the game or the devs.
This is a good thing though, having few voices who can take all the information we spew onto the forums or in chat channels and funnel it into a single quarterly report should help a lot.
I'm %100 positive that if I were to take the dev team to cyrodiil, they would just get lost on the road to alessia bridge and probably die to slaughterfish. Thats how much they know and care about PvP in my opinion.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭they do play once in a while and sometimes. but it is mostly pve and just not like as often as us.
they dont play daily and with all of thier free time like we do.
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aeowulf✭✭✭✭✭I wish they played they least popular class/role combinations that their finder stats show for vet DLC completions.
It would give them an understaing of why those combos are unpopular.
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✭✭✭✭I wish they played they least popular class/role combinations that their finder stats show for vet DLC completions.
It would give them an understaing of why those combos are unpopular.
sadly they don't even care. Literally, they don't care if your class outright sucks to play, or if its unreasonably weak, All they care about is create content, and then sell that content every few months.
Which is why they expect the community to do their jobs for them. They do not want to be bothered with such pointless things like class balance
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What content does Wrobel create? I'm confused as to how they don't work on balance if they have a balance team which every update does balance (just not the balance to make everyone happy all the time).Ragnarock41 wrote: »
sadly they don't even care. Literally, they don't care if your class outright sucks to play, or if its unreasonably weak, All they care about is create content, and then sell that content every few months.
Which is why they expect the community to do their jobs for them. They do not want to be bothered with such pointless things like class balance
I should really stop taking this thread off topic but it seems you want to keep telling everyone how ZOS doesn't care and is too lazy to ever do anything, when all the evidence points to the opposite.
They might not be great at it and make a lot of mistakes or missteps we don't like, but to say they don't play the game (when there is evidence they do) or they don't do any balance (when they do every update) is just misinformation.
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✭✭✭What content does Wrobel create? I'm confused as to how they don't work on balance if they have a balance team which every update does balance (just not the balance to make everyone happy all the time).
I should really stop taking this thread off topic but it seems you want to keep telling everyone how ZOS doesn't care and is too lazy to ever do anything, when all the evidence points to the opposite.
They might not be great at it and make a lot of mistakes or missteps we don't like, but to say they don't play the game (when there is evidence they do) or they don't do any balance (when they do every update) is just misinformation.
Tbf the combat balance section in the patch notes hardly seems like 3 months of work.
"But they have to test and think things out." I doubt it, remember the dragon blood buff that made it literally useless most of the time, and flew under the radar? Most of the changes are just percentages here and there anyway.
Last patch was rather eventful with the synergy/offbalance changes, but after how long? And they were dodgy anyway and got changed quite a bit on the pts.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What content does Wrobel create? I'm confused as to how they don't work on balance if they have a balance team which every update does balance (just not the balance to make everyone happy all the time).
I should really stop taking this thread off topic but it seems you want to keep telling everyone how ZOS doesn't care and is too lazy to ever do anything, when all the evidence points to the opposite.
They might not be great at it and make a lot of mistakes or missteps we don't like, but to say they don't play the game (when there is evidence they do) or they don't do any balance (when they do every update) is just misinformation.
No, there is no misinformation.
If zos was efficient at balancing this thread would not be here.
Its fine for a developer to make mistakes or not be %100 perfect.
It is not fine for Wrobel to completely wreck a class, destroy a playstyle and not address it for an entire year.
And I will keep telling this untill I leave this game, or it gets fixed. No sir, I'm not giving up, If ZOS is not lazy and is caring, they would have at least tried. But they did not, which is why I can ****talk about them like this.4 -
CavalryPK✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno when will you let us know who has been chosen as the class rep ?THE CAVELRY HAS ARRIVED! Cav is a professional magblade, (in his not so professional opinion). He is immortal and is fighting for the Pact since 2E 572, amidst the turmoil of the Second Akaviri Invasion. He protects the provinces of Skyrim, Morrowind and Black Marsh.
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✭✭✭✭✭This could go really well, or really badly. I am hesitant to endourse this program because we have had some definite failures with community representation in the past in the following areas.
Selection: Why were certain people chosen, what was the criteria? Many felt that some of the people selected in the past didn't really speak for them but were just high profile streamers and such. Not that streamers don't make good representatives, but that shouldn't be the only deciding factor.
Transparency:
ZOS has flown people out to sunny Baltimore, people that I know would have led them in a different design direction then they are currently taking, even if I didn't agree with them 100%. But those people signed an NDA, couldn't tell the community what they discussed. Then, when the next patch came out, ZOS pulled a 360 and did something else entirely. We still don't know what happened with that pre-morrowind debacle thanks to an NDA and poor communication, not to mention very few of those people even play the game anymore.. We must do better than that.
Purpose?
What is this meant to do really? Is it actually meant to change game balance direction or just soothe the "pain point" of not feeling like we are being listened to? As others have mentioned on there. There are some great threads by community members that list all the pain points of any given class. All open and transparent and tons of agrees.
I feel the will of the community is already known, to some extent already. But Wrobel, or whatever forces dictate game design just see it different than we do. Understandable, but will this change anything?
So what does it matter if @Joy_Division types up a huge list that very clearly defines the weaknesses of Templar. Even if ZOS flies him and others out to Baltimore and has them appear on ESO live wearing funny helmets, I am afraid that we will still read the next set of patch notes and scratch our heads.
The classes are the way they are because Wrobel seems to want them that way . We've layed out the problems for years. The same problems. I'm willing to try one more time but I have reason to be skeptical.
Here is what I suggest:- The people that either wish to be community advocates or have been frequently suggested by others, should make a thread on the Combat and Character mechanics forum. Here is an example for Sorcerer.
- They should field questions and feedback from other community members and integrate that into their post. Particularly from the specs of that class they don't personally play (eg stamina, if they main magicka).
- A good Class Advocate should be chosen by how they interact with the rest of the community and take other's suggestions in their threads. A few people recommended so far in this thread are the "Dude I know so more than you about X, so I'm right" types. Not a good fit. Others are thoughtful and will take the time to explain why they disagree when they do. We need the latter type.
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Hey man I'm on your friends list and I'm less than 20 years old. Doesn't mean I don't know what the games problems are, or have ideas on how to fix things.
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Dottzgaming✭✭✭✭✭This isn’t for balance and wish-list items.
This is for bugs and pain points. Things like the Nightblade shade not working, or DK leap dmg ceasing to exist if target runs outside of leap range mid leap, or stamden having to place trees three or four times due to GCD lag on ground targets, or how shimmering shield interacts with force pulse, or the weird animation glitch when you petrify someone using blessed meridia, how FM doesn’t work on immov poisons, or any of the million weird little animation glitches with WW form or overload... It’s bugs and frustrations specific to classes and roles, not what’s OP and what needs buffs.
This x100 ^^
If you read Gina's post it says: "Representatives will be asked to work together to compile a list of the top concerns and bugs for each class, and present these notes to members of the ESO Development Team on a quarterly basis. Note that we’re not looking for general class suggestions or ideas at this time; our focus will specifically be on some of the current pain points."
My understanding of this program is really similar to Thogard's. It is NOT having the class reps dictate the entire direction of the class, but rather the reps working together to come up with a list of problems and issues with the individual classes, suggestions for fixes for said issues and other bugs, and (possibly moving forward) ideas on how to better the class as a whole, but the ultimate decision on the changes and the numerical tuning of said changes being up to Zenimax.
Just based on reading alot of the suggestions here in this thread, it seems people are overlooking this key line and they instead think that the reps chosen are going to dictate the entirety how the classes will play & change moving forward and be the voice on what's op and what sucks with the class (which is not, as far as i can tell, how the program is going to work).
Kena put it best in one of the discord servers him and I are both a part of: "Your submissions should be intelligent players with histories of thorough testing who are passionate about the game and one or two classes but who have broad game knowledge and experience. Not necessarily “the best players.” This representative group is about class flavor, thorough testing, and community leaders. Also, avoid submissions with histories of toxicity and divisiveness."Edited by Dottzgaming on March 19, 2018 7:25PM2 -
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✭I think 20 representatives would be ideal. This gives 2 for each class (mag and stam) as well as half of them dedicated to pve and half dedicated to pvp. Everyone will be represented.PvP needs more love.0 -
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Potentially, but then you’d have the PvP and the PvE reps for each class potentially opposed to each other.I think 20 representatives would be ideal. This gives 2 for each class (mag and stam) as well as half of them dedicated to pve and half dedicated to pvp. Everyone will be represented.
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✭✭✭✭Potentially, but then you’d have the PvP and the PvE reps for each class potentially opposed to each other.
but they won't be deciding things, they will be just answering the questions zos asks them as far as I understand, and I'm pretty sure no matter what those representatives say, at the end of the day Wrobel will just throw some random darts to decide what to nerf/buff like he always does.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 19, 2018 8:34PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Everyone should vote someone other them themselves.
I voted for Cinbri and Nifty for PVP/PVE templars; those two will do wonders to report bugs and highlight pain points for templars in either aspect of the game.
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✭It's been said more times than any other saying on these forums (nerf sorcs falls behind too) that all you need to do is to separate pve and pvp. This whole concept of wanting folks to have a nice transition when they go into pvp can go right out the window. It's simply laughable. Some poor new fella rolls into cyrodiil and he's gonna get rolled. When he asks in chat why he sucks so bad or does a little research he's going to have an eye opener.
He's going to find out that he has all the wrong morphs, gear, traits and probably mundus too. Not to mention CP. 90 percent of his toon is now considered wrong. I highly doubt that balancing his skills separately is going to be a deal breaker. Separate the two and start there.
After this is achieved then the purpose of this thread will work a million times better.Edited by BuddyAces on March 20, 2018 3:40AMThey nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭I know plenty of 30 and 40 year old people who also lack those qualities.
Maturity is something each person can be different at, just because someone is older or younger doesn't mean they know how to act like a mature adult and work without bias.
Cool story bro, now that you have mastered the straw man argument and proved there are immature older ppl.
Perhaps we can agree that fact doesnt change in any way shape or form, how few mature 19 years olds exist, also play eso and are itching to be a community rep.
Give your head a shake...Edited by Dredlord on March 20, 2018 8:58AM1 -
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So because you feel the majority of younger players are not mature, if a mature one was to apply they shouldn't be chosen?
Cool story bro, now that you have mastered the straw man argument and proved there are immature older ppl.
Perhaps we can agree that fact doesnt change in any way shape or form, how few mature 19 years olds exist, also play eso and are itching to be a community rep.
Give your head a shake...
Personally I don't care about the age of anyone in this initiative as long as they understand the class issues and can work well with others in communicating that to ZOS.
We should be focusing on how people present themselves and their knowledge of the game and classes, not their age.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭I can apply for PvP scenario on Templar, in an outnumbered enviroment, if you ever want to know what happens to someone who plays. Outnumbered.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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