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Race buffs
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Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
Redgaurd is not good for a tank
Exhilaration-useless you're not regening while blocking
Conditioning -actually usefull. Also the same exact buff as lmperial
Adrenaline Rush - Not going to be melee attacking much to take advantage of this
Argonian-
every passive but swim speed is useful
Imperial -
Red Diamond is as usefulI as Adrenaline Rush.
Tough is actually useful unlike Exhilaration
Orc -
Brawny, Impieral Tough and Conditioning in one, but not as strong
Unflinching, definitely useful as a tank
Swift Warrior, marginally useful. Just like Adrenaline Rush and Red Diamond.
@Nihilanth since you requested it.
Lol adrenaline rush is like the most useful passive for a tank
Altmer with thier mag regan make better tanks than Redgaurd. Nord with thier Rugged, again all 3 passives are useful, not 1 and a half. Breton, again all 3 passives are good for a tank. Now if Redgaurd is what you're dead set on playing, go for it. Woeler's tank is a Khajiti, mine is Altmer, and I started on a Bosmer Templar. Playing BiS well isn't impressive, playing unquie at BiS level THAT'S impressive.
@Maura_Neysa If you have a single clue what we were talking about it was Redguard vs Orc. If you dont think adrenaline rush is the most op sustain passive except for the argonians resourceful passive then i dont even know. You say you dont melee attack enough for it to be useful? xDD Thats actually one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this forum. But then ofcourse you play a warden ice tank and a DK healer so i guess i shouldnt expect much more from you
LMFAO sure Regaurd has the best sustain, IF you’re stamina DPS. Tank though? Maybe it’s good if you’re just a 4-man non-DLC player. Which is fine, doesn’t matter to me what level you want to play at. Just acknowledge it and don’t spread bad information.
You might not expect much out of Ice Tank or DK Healer, sheepoeple rarely do. There are two types of people who do something like run off builds. People who don’t know any better, and people who know just how to compensate for the builds weaknesses. If you want to run a Breton Templar Healer, go for it. That would bore the F*** out of me. Not impressed when you hit 40k with your StamDK, I am impressed when you do it with a MagWarden.lucky_Sage wrote: »
you had other others factors
Here’s a little math lesson for you. When everything on one side of the equation is eqactly the same as the other side, the two cancel out.
10+3*6/9+8=15+3*6/9+X
Is exactly the same as
10+8=15+X
Because I used the exacte same build an only change race, then the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS RACE.
As for
No idea why you WANT to heavy attack a lot. It not blocking and it’s not DPS. You only heavy attack just enough for sustain.lucky_Sage wrote: »[
but if you just pvp or to vet dungeons you can heavy attack a lot out of all the pvp and vet dungeons ive done ive never had to spam heals non stop
Why would I be spamming heals?
My only guess is you are talking about tanking, in which case not blocking=dead, not “spamming heals” The Warrior, the Amalgamation, Bloody Horn, Dranos, Chudan, Lady in Lacy, her Flesh Atronochs, Thurkavan, Zaan, AA Axes, SO Mantikora all hit for 40-60k unblocked. Stoneshaper, Wallbreaker, Deathstriker, Earthgore, Firebrand, all hit for 20-40k unblocked. When I have 8 vAA Axes on me, I’m not letting block down for more than a carefully timed bar swap, much less a full heavy attack.Edited by Maura_Neysa on March 5, 2018 9:31AMMaiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
Playing BiS isn't impressive, playing unique at BiS lvl, THAT's impressive.0 -
Nihilanth✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
Redgaurd is not good for a tank
Exhilaration-useless you're not regening while blocking
Conditioning -actually usefull. Also the same exact buff as lmperial
Adrenaline Rush - Not going to be melee attacking much to take advantage of this
Argonian-
every passive but swim speed is useful
Imperial -
Red Diamond is as usefulI as Adrenaline Rush.
Tough is actually useful unlike Exhilaration
Orc -
Brawny, Impieral Tough and Conditioning in one, but not as strong
Unflinching, definitely useful as a tank
Swift Warrior, marginally useful. Just like Adrenaline Rush and Red Diamond.
@Nihilanth since you requested it.
Lol adrenaline rush is like the most useful passive for a tank
Altmer with thier mag regan make better tanks than Redgaurd. Nord with thier Rugged, again all 3 passives are useful, not 1 and a half. Breton, again all 3 passives are good for a tank. Now if Redgaurd is what you're dead set on playing, go for it. Woeler's tank is a Khajiti, mine is Altmer, and I started on a Bosmer Templar. Playing BiS well isn't impressive, playing unquie at BiS level THAT'S impressive.
@Maura_Neysa If you have a single clue what we were talking about it was Redguard vs Orc. If you dont think adrenaline rush is the most op sustain passive except for the argonians resourceful passive then i dont even know. You say you dont melee attack enough for it to be useful? xDD Thats actually one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this forum. But then ofcourse you play a warden ice tank and a DK healer so i guess i shouldnt expect much more from you
LMFAO sure Regaurd has the best sustain, IF you’re stamina DPS. Tank though? Maybe it’s good if you’re just a 4-man non-DLC player. Which is fine, doesn’t matter to me what level you want to play at. Just acknowledge it and don’t spread bad information.
You might not expect much out of Ice Tank or DK Healer, sheepoeple rarely do. There are two types of people who do something like run off builds. People who don’t know any better, and people who know just how to compensate for the builds weaknesses. If you want to run a Breton Templar Healer, go for it. That would bore the F*** out of me. Not impressed when you hit 40k with your StamDK, I am impressed when you do it with a MagWarden.lucky_Sage wrote: »
you had other others factors
Here’s a little math lesson for you. When everything on one side of the equation is eqactly the same as the other side, the two cancel out.
10+3*6/9+8=15+3*6/9+X
Is exactly the same as
10+8=15+X
Because I used the exacte same build an only change race, then the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS RACE.
As for
No idea why you WANT to heavy attack a lot. It not blocking and it’s not DPS. You only heavy attack just enough for sustain.lucky_Sage wrote: »[
but if you just pvp or to vet dungeons you can heavy attack a lot out of all the pvp and vet dungeons ive done ive never had to spam heals non stop
Why would I be spamming heals?
My only guess is you are talking about tanking, in which case not blocking=dead, not “spamming heals” The Warrior, the Amalgamation, Bloody Horn, Dranos, Chudan, Lady in Lacy, her Flesh Atronochs, Thurkavan, Zaan, AA Axes, SO Mantikora all hit for 40-60k unblocked. Stoneshaper, Wallbreaker, Deathstriker, Earthgore, Firebrand, all hit for 20-40k unblocked. When I have 8 vAA Axes on me, I’m not letting block down for more than a carefully timed bar swap, much less a full heavy attack.
Arent you a special snowflake. Redguard having one of the best sustains as both dps and tank is a fact. Also the redguard vs orc "argument" was about pvp.
You saying "LMFAO" about redguard having one of the best sustains proves your stupidity. You are doing nothing and have been doing nothing but just laughing and talking complete nonsense for this whole discussion. There's a reason every metachaser plays redguard, atleast in pvp, i literally couldnt care less about your brainless pve. The other guy literally said he was forced to go redguard xD
And then ofcourse calling me "sheepeople". Nice, totally won everything there. ESO Forums at its finest.1 -
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✭Still thinking that no major rewind should be done.
Just little changes to balance the now outdated racesI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
Redgaurd is not good for a tank
Exhilaration-useless you're not regening while blocking
Conditioning -actually usefull. Also the same exact buff as lmperial
Adrenaline Rush - Not going to be melee attacking much to take advantage of this
Argonian-
every passive but swim speed is useful
Imperial -
Red Diamond is as usefulI as Adrenaline Rush.
Tough is actually useful unlike Exhilaration
Orc -
Brawny, Impieral Tough and Conditioning in one, but not as strong
Unflinching, definitely useful as a tank
Swift Warrior, marginally useful. Just like Adrenaline Rush and Red Diamond.
@Nihilanth since you requested it.
Lol adrenaline rush is like the most useful passive for a tank
Altmer with thier mag regan make better tanks than Redgaurd. Nord with thier Rugged, again all 3 passives are useful, not 1 and a half. Breton, again all 3 passives are good for a tank. Now if Redgaurd is what you're dead set on playing, go for it. Woeler's tank is a Khajiti, mine is Altmer, and I started on a Bosmer Templar. Playing BiS well isn't impressive, playing unquie at BiS level THAT'S impressive.
@Maura_Neysa If you have a single clue what we were talking about it was Redguard vs Orc. If you dont think adrenaline rush is the most op sustain passive except for the argonians resourceful passive then i dont even know. You say you dont melee attack enough for it to be useful? xDD Thats actually one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this forum. But then ofcourse you play a warden ice tank and a DK healer so i guess i shouldnt expect much more from you
LMFAO sure Regaurd has the best sustain, IF you’re stamina DPS. Tank though? Maybe it’s good if you’re just a 4-man non-DLC player. Which is fine, doesn’t matter to me what level you want to play at. Just acknowledge it and don’t spread bad information.
You might not expect much out of Ice Tank or DK Healer, sheepoeple rarely do. There are two types of people who do something like run off builds. People who don’t know any better, and people who know just how to compensate for the builds weaknesses. If you want to run a Breton Templar Healer, go for it. That would bore the F*** out of me. Not impressed when you hit 40k with your StamDK, I am impressed when you do it with a MagWarden.lucky_Sage wrote: »
you had other others factors
Here’s a little math lesson for you. When everything on one side of the equation is eqactly the same as the other side, the two cancel out.
10+3*6/9+8=15+3*6/9+X
Is exactly the same as
10+8=15+X
Because I used the exacte same build an only change race, then the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS RACE.
As for
No idea why you WANT to heavy attack a lot. It not blocking and it’s not DPS. You only heavy attack just enough for sustain.lucky_Sage wrote: »[
but if you just pvp or to vet dungeons you can heavy attack a lot out of all the pvp and vet dungeons ive done ive never had to spam heals non stop
Why would I be spamming heals?
My only guess is you are talking about tanking, in which case not blocking=dead, not “spamming heals” The Warrior, the Amalgamation, Bloody Horn, Dranos, Chudan, Lady in Lacy, her Flesh Atronochs, Thurkavan, Zaan, AA Axes, SO Mantikora all hit for 40-60k unblocked. Stoneshaper, Wallbreaker, Deathstriker, Earthgore, Firebrand, all hit for 20-40k unblocked. When I have 8 vAA Axes on me, I’m not letting block down for more than a carefully timed bar swap, much less a full heavy attack.
Arent you a special snowflake. Redguard having one of the best sustains as both dps and tank is a fact. Also the redguard vs orc "argument" was about pvp.
You saying "LMFAO" about redguard having one of the best sustains proves your stupidity. You are doing nothing and have been doing nothing but just laughing and talking complete nonsense for this whole discussion. There's a reason every metachaser plays redguard, atleast in pvp, i literally couldnt care less about your brainless pve. The other guy literally said he was forced to go redguard xD
And then ofcourse calling me "sheepeople". Nice, totally won everything there. ESO Forums at its finest.
I didn't call you sheepeople, you clearly aren't since you're dead set on an off race as a tank. Find me a build anywhere that list Redgaurd at anything above 5 best race. By the way , every metachaser plays Argonian tank, even in PVP. While people hit like wet noodles, its still a blast holding 20 at bay in a keep door, or blowing through a scroll runners escort, to bog him down in Ice or 2 or 3 v X. PvP or PvE red gawd is just a middling race for tanking. DPS is where its good.
You're right I am laughing, a lot, because you keep arguing against things I never said. Like Redgaurd sustain, sure its the best sustain on a DPS that just doesn't mean anything on a tank. | sure as shirt don't need more stamina recovery on my tank. Maybe if l played a Sorc tank? Definitily not on a DK or Warden though. Certinly not enough to trade away a race passive for a completly useless 9% stamina recovery and a halfway useless Adrenaline Rush passive. You do know your regen is turned off while blocking right? And you do know that blocking is minimum of 60% damage reduction if you have a 1H&S or Frost staff equiped.
Either way I'll let it go since conversation with you feels... it feels a lot like trying to help a group through DLC I know they aren't high enough CP for yet.Maiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
Playing BiS isn't impressive, playing unique at BiS lvl, THAT's impressive.0 -
Nihilanth✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
Redgaurd is not good for a tank
Exhilaration-useless you're not regening while blocking
Conditioning -actually usefull. Also the same exact buff as lmperial
Adrenaline Rush - Not going to be melee attacking much to take advantage of this
Argonian-
every passive but swim speed is useful
Imperial -
Red Diamond is as usefulI as Adrenaline Rush.
Tough is actually useful unlike Exhilaration
Orc -
Brawny, Impieral Tough and Conditioning in one, but not as strong
Unflinching, definitely useful as a tank
Swift Warrior, marginally useful. Just like Adrenaline Rush and Red Diamond.
@Nihilanth since you requested it.
Lol adrenaline rush is like the most useful passive for a tank
Altmer with thier mag regan make better tanks than Redgaurd. Nord with thier Rugged, again all 3 passives are useful, not 1 and a half. Breton, again all 3 passives are good for a tank. Now if Redgaurd is what you're dead set on playing, go for it. Woeler's tank is a Khajiti, mine is Altmer, and I started on a Bosmer Templar. Playing BiS well isn't impressive, playing unquie at BiS level THAT'S impressive.
@Maura_Neysa If you have a single clue what we were talking about it was Redguard vs Orc. If you dont think adrenaline rush is the most op sustain passive except for the argonians resourceful passive then i dont even know. You say you dont melee attack enough for it to be useful? xDD Thats actually one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this forum. But then ofcourse you play a warden ice tank and a DK healer so i guess i shouldnt expect much more from you
LMFAO sure Regaurd has the best sustain, IF you’re stamina DPS. Tank though? Maybe it’s good if you’re just a 4-man non-DLC player. Which is fine, doesn’t matter to me what level you want to play at. Just acknowledge it and don’t spread bad information.
You might not expect much out of Ice Tank or DK Healer, sheepoeple rarely do. There are two types of people who do something like run off builds. People who don’t know any better, and people who know just how to compensate for the builds weaknesses. If you want to run a Breton Templar Healer, go for it. That would bore the F*** out of me. Not impressed when you hit 40k with your StamDK, I am impressed when you do it with a MagWarden.lucky_Sage wrote: »
you had other others factors
Here’s a little math lesson for you. When everything on one side of the equation is eqactly the same as the other side, the two cancel out.
10+3*6/9+8=15+3*6/9+X
Is exactly the same as
10+8=15+X
Because I used the exacte same build an only change race, then the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS RACE.
As for
No idea why you WANT to heavy attack a lot. It not blocking and it’s not DPS. You only heavy attack just enough for sustain.lucky_Sage wrote: »[
but if you just pvp or to vet dungeons you can heavy attack a lot out of all the pvp and vet dungeons ive done ive never had to spam heals non stop
Why would I be spamming heals?
My only guess is you are talking about tanking, in which case not blocking=dead, not “spamming heals” The Warrior, the Amalgamation, Bloody Horn, Dranos, Chudan, Lady in Lacy, her Flesh Atronochs, Thurkavan, Zaan, AA Axes, SO Mantikora all hit for 40-60k unblocked. Stoneshaper, Wallbreaker, Deathstriker, Earthgore, Firebrand, all hit for 20-40k unblocked. When I have 8 vAA Axes on me, I’m not letting block down for more than a carefully timed bar swap, much less a full heavy attack.
Arent you a special snowflake. Redguard having one of the best sustains as both dps and tank is a fact. Also the redguard vs orc "argument" was about pvp.
You saying "LMFAO" about redguard having one of the best sustains proves your stupidity. You are doing nothing and have been doing nothing but just laughing and talking complete nonsense for this whole discussion. There's a reason every metachaser plays redguard, atleast in pvp, i literally couldnt care less about your brainless pve. The other guy literally said he was forced to go redguard xD
And then ofcourse calling me "sheepeople". Nice, totally won everything there. ESO Forums at its finest.
I didn't call you sheepeople, you clearly aren't since you're dead set on an off race as a tank. Find me a build anywhere that list Redgaurd at anything above 5 best race. By the way , every metachaser plays Argonian tank, even in PVP. While people hit like wet noodles, its still a blast holding 20 at bay in a keep door, or blowing through a scroll runners escort, to bog him down in Ice or 2 or 3 v X. PvP or PvE red gawd is just a middling race for tanking. DPS is where its good.
You're right I am laughing, a lot, because you keep arguing against things I never said. Like Redgaurd sustain, sure its the best sustain on a DPS that just doesn't mean anything on a tank. | sure as shirt don't need more stamina recovery on my tank. Maybe if l played a Sorc tank? Definitily not on a DK or Warden though. Certinly not enough to trade away a race passive for a completly useless 9% stamina recovery and a halfway useless Adrenaline Rush passive. You do know your regen is turned off while blocking right? And you do know that blocking is minimum of 60% damage reduction if you have a 1H&S or Frost staff equiped.
Either way I'll let it go since conversation with you feels... it feels a lot like trying to help a group through DLC I know they aren't high enough CP for yet.
You're actually not listening to a single thing im saying which makes it impossible to even hold a simple discussion. You keep saying redguard is a bad race for tank and now you're talking about argonians all of a sudden? For the third time the discussion started with another person and it was about Orc vs Redguard, are you aware of what i am saying? Do you speak english? Am i clear enough?
Ive never argued against something you've never said. Dont you know what you yourself is saying either? Never ever have i said redguard is the best tank race, and i wasnt even talking about pve to begin with. People in pvp go for redguard whether they play medium or heavy, s&b or not, because it simply has the best sustain which is incredibly good for dealing damage or tanking people or if you just cant sustain well on other races.
"it feels a lot like trying to help a group through DLC I know they aren't high enough CP for yet." And ofcourse again you're talking about how stupid i am instead of actually saying something somewhat useful. You dont know what either of us are talking about, im getting the impression you are absolutely clueless. Actually amazing.
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leothedino✭✭✭✭IMO, they need to remove Max <stat> and <stat> Regen from racial skill lines. Move them into the "World" skill tree and let them keep their original level requirements, or similar ones, but let any race choose from them. Create a "Training" tree or "Conditioning". Put all the regen and max stat passives in there, but each separately.
If there was a passive skill tree like this, one for max magicka & regen, and the other for stamina, I can almost guarantee 99% of players would fully invest skillpoints in both, regardless of class or build. When you give people the option of 'more is better, less is worse' people will take more.
Even as a magicka Sorc I would love some more sprint, just as a Stam NB would benefit from more magicka and more cloaking.
Having them per-race forces the player to consider their choices, having 'passive trees' for these things means you might as well bake them into the core game unseen.Edited by leothedino on March 5, 2018 11:19AM0 -
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TrinityBreaker✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit beware is the only class with carnage giving him a lot of dmg.
It's ashame ZoS nerfed crit damage long ago, making Carnage useless. And if you bring it up in pvp then something called impen exist to also negate that passive.
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Does no one read the thread, it has been explained over and over that Breton cost reduction is right is line with the rest. No buff needed. If you buff the cost reduction, you would need to buff the regen of the high elf and the Argonian passive.
And the fire resist is really strong already makes them immune to burning proc from fire damage. That is huge.
@Maura_Neysa that link you post was to a warden healer.
To make the cost reduction passive the worst you can, put worm (4%) on with 7 light (14%) on a temp (4%). Springs by default is 3510 and by my calculations, with in the set up about, ought to cost 2738. With the 3% added from breton, it ought to be 2633. I don't know where you got the springs cost of 2580 for argonian and 2491 for bretons. Unless you are using cost reduction glyphs. In which case, 3 cost reduction glyphs would make the math look like this, (3510-609)*.78= 2263 for argonian and (3510-609)*.75= 2176 for Breton and I just remembered that sorcs get 5% cost reduction, on a Breton sorc, springs would be (3510-609)*.74=2147.
The issue with Dunmer fire resist is that you get more fire resistance on a Breton than on a Dunmer. That's just not right at allFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Does no one read the thread, it has been explained over and over that Breton cost reduction is right is line with the rest. No buff needed. If you buff the cost reduction, you would need to buff the regen of the high elf and the Argonian passive.
And the fire resist is really strong already makes them immune to burning proc from fire damage. That is huge.
@Maura_Neysa that link you post was to a warden healer.
To make the cost reduction passive the worst you can, put worm (4%) on with 7 light (14%) on a temp (4%). Springs by default is 3510 and by my calculations, with in the set up about, ought to cost 2738. With the 3% added from breton, it ought to be 2633. I don't know where you got the springs cost of 2580 for argonian and 2491 for bretons. Unless you are using cost reduction glyphs. In which case, 3 cost reduction glyphs would make the math look like this, (3510-609)*.78= 2263 for argonian and (3510-609)*.75= 2176 for Breton and I just remembered that sorcs get 5% cost reduction, on a Breton sorc, springs would be (3510-609)*.74=2147.
The issue with Dunmer fire resist is that you get more fire resistance on a Breton than on a Dunmer. That's just not right at all
Actually it's not true. Since bretons have resistance to all kind of magic. So lorewise if the fire isn't magic, it damages more bretons then dunmers.
In this game tho all the fire is magickEdited by Skander on March 5, 2018 3:48PMI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Does no one read the thread, it has been explained over and over that Breton cost reduction is right is line with the rest. No buff needed. If you buff the cost reduction, you would need to buff the regen of the high elf and the Argonian passive.
And the fire resist is really strong already makes them immune to burning proc from fire damage. That is huge.
@Maura_Neysa that link you post was to a warden healer.
To make the cost reduction passive the worst you can, put worm (4%) on with 7 light (14%) on a temp (4%). Springs by default is 3510 and by my calculations, with in the set up about, ought to cost 2738. With the 3% added from breton, it ought to be 2633. I don't know where you got the springs cost of 2580 for argonian and 2491 for bretons. Unless you are using cost reduction glyphs. In which case, 3 cost reduction glyphs would make the math look like this, (3510-609)*.78= 2263 for argonian and (3510-609)*.75= 2176 for Breton and I just remembered that sorcs get 5% cost reduction, on a Breton sorc, springs would be (3510-609)*.74=2147.
The issue with Dunmer fire resist is that you get more fire resistance on a Breton than on a Dunmer. That's just not right at all
but you dont, you have to take into consideration that dark elves cant get burning applied to them from fire damage, outside of bsw as far as i know, but a breton still can. that is huge.3 -
SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
Redgaurd is not good for a tank
Exhilaration-useless you're not regening while blocking
Conditioning -actually usefull. Also the same exact buff as lmperial
Adrenaline Rush - Not going to be melee attacking much to take advantage of this
Argonian-
every passive but swim speed is useful
Imperial -
Red Diamond is as usefulI as Adrenaline Rush.
Tough is actually useful unlike Exhilaration
Orc -
Brawny, Impieral Tough and Conditioning in one, but not as strong
Unflinching, definitely useful as a tank
Swift Warrior, marginally useful. Just like Adrenaline Rush and Red Diamond.
@Nihilanth since you requested it.
Lol adrenaline rush is like the most useful passive for a tank
Altmer with thier mag regan make better tanks than Redgaurd. Nord with thier Rugged, again all 3 passives are useful, not 1 and a half. Breton, again all 3 passives are good for a tank. Now if Redgaurd is what you're dead set on playing, go for it. Woeler's tank is a Khajiti, mine is Altmer, and I started on a Bosmer Templar. Playing BiS well isn't impressive, playing unquie at BiS level THAT'S impressive.
@Maura_Neysa If you have a single clue what we were talking about it was Redguard vs Orc. If you dont think adrenaline rush is the most op sustain passive except for the argonians resourceful passive then i dont even know. You say you dont melee attack enough for it to be useful? xDD Thats actually one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this forum. But then ofcourse you play a warden ice tank and a DK healer so i guess i shouldnt expect much more from you
LMFAO sure Regaurd has the best sustain, IF you’re stamina DPS. Tank though? Maybe it’s good if you’re just a 4-man non-DLC player. Which is fine, doesn’t matter to me what level you want to play at. Just acknowledge it and don’t spread bad information.
You might not expect much out of Ice Tank or DK Healer, sheepoeple rarely do. There are two types of people who do something like run off builds. People who don’t know any better, and people who know just how to compensate for the builds weaknesses. If you want to run a Breton Templar Healer, go for it. That would bore the F*** out of me. Not impressed when you hit 40k with your StamDK, I am impressed when you do it with a MagWarden.lucky_Sage wrote: »
you had other others factors
Here’s a little math lesson for you. When everything on one side of the equation is eqactly the same as the other side, the two cancel out.
10+3*6/9+8=15+3*6/9+X
Is exactly the same as
10+8=15+X
Because I used the exacte same build an only change race, then the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS RACE.
As for
No idea why you WANT to heavy attack a lot. It not blocking and it’s not DPS. You only heavy attack just enough for sustain.lucky_Sage wrote: »[
but if you just pvp or to vet dungeons you can heavy attack a lot out of all the pvp and vet dungeons ive done ive never had to spam heals non stop
Why would I be spamming heals?
My only guess is you are talking about tanking, in which case not blocking=dead, not “spamming heals” The Warrior, the Amalgamation, Bloody Horn, Dranos, Chudan, Lady in Lacy, her Flesh Atronochs, Thurkavan, Zaan, AA Axes, SO Mantikora all hit for 40-60k unblocked. Stoneshaper, Wallbreaker, Deathstriker, Earthgore, Firebrand, all hit for 20-40k unblocked. When I have 8 vAA Axes on me, I’m not letting block down for more than a carefully timed bar swap, much less a full heavy attack.
Arent you a special snowflake. Redguard having one of the best sustains as both dps and tank is a fact. Also the redguard vs orc "argument" was about pvp.
You saying "LMFAO" about redguard having one of the best sustains proves your stupidity. You are doing nothing and have been doing nothing but just laughing and talking complete nonsense for this whole discussion. There's a reason every metachaser plays redguard, atleast in pvp, i literally couldnt care less about your brainless pve. The other guy literally said he was forced to go redguard xD
And then ofcourse calling me "sheepeople". Nice, totally won everything there. ESO Forums at its finest.
Red guard is the best at STAMINA sustain, but Tank’s have a hell of a lot more to worry about then stamina. Occasionally you can work in a heavy attack, OCCASIONALLY. But tanking any vet trial boss, practically impossible. Not to mention heavy attacks while wearing heavy armor give back more than enough resources without the minuscule on-hit stam return (tanks don’t sit there and light attack all day).
Sustain? You’d be very hard pressed to find a better race for sustain than Argonian. Potion passive is amazing on healers/tanks, not to mention increased to healing received/done, which I know at least for a DK tank is money in th bank.DO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)0 -
Nihilanth✭✭SmellyUnlimited wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
Redgaurd is not good for a tank
Exhilaration-useless you're not regening while blocking
Conditioning -actually usefull. Also the same exact buff as lmperial
Adrenaline Rush - Not going to be melee attacking much to take advantage of this
Argonian-
every passive but swim speed is useful
Imperial -
Red Diamond is as usefulI as Adrenaline Rush.
Tough is actually useful unlike Exhilaration
Orc -
Brawny, Impieral Tough and Conditioning in one, but not as strong
Unflinching, definitely useful as a tank
Swift Warrior, marginally useful. Just like Adrenaline Rush and Red Diamond.
@Nihilanth since you requested it.
Lol adrenaline rush is like the most useful passive for a tank
Altmer with thier mag regan make better tanks than Redgaurd. Nord with thier Rugged, again all 3 passives are useful, not 1 and a half. Breton, again all 3 passives are good for a tank. Now if Redgaurd is what you're dead set on playing, go for it. Woeler's tank is a Khajiti, mine is Altmer, and I started on a Bosmer Templar. Playing BiS well isn't impressive, playing unquie at BiS level THAT'S impressive.
@Maura_Neysa If you have a single clue what we were talking about it was Redguard vs Orc. If you dont think adrenaline rush is the most op sustain passive except for the argonians resourceful passive then i dont even know. You say you dont melee attack enough for it to be useful? xDD Thats actually one of the dumbest things i have ever read on this forum. But then ofcourse you play a warden ice tank and a DK healer so i guess i shouldnt expect much more from you
LMFAO sure Regaurd has the best sustain, IF you’re stamina DPS. Tank though? Maybe it’s good if you’re just a 4-man non-DLC player. Which is fine, doesn’t matter to me what level you want to play at. Just acknowledge it and don’t spread bad information.
You might not expect much out of Ice Tank or DK Healer, sheepoeple rarely do. There are two types of people who do something like run off builds. People who don’t know any better, and people who know just how to compensate for the builds weaknesses. If you want to run a Breton Templar Healer, go for it. That would bore the F*** out of me. Not impressed when you hit 40k with your StamDK, I am impressed when you do it with a MagWarden.lucky_Sage wrote: »
you had other others factors
Here’s a little math lesson for you. When everything on one side of the equation is eqactly the same as the other side, the two cancel out.
10+3*6/9+8=15+3*6/9+X
Is exactly the same as
10+8=15+X
Because I used the exacte same build an only change race, then the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS RACE.
As for
No idea why you WANT to heavy attack a lot. It not blocking and it’s not DPS. You only heavy attack just enough for sustain.lucky_Sage wrote: »[
but if you just pvp or to vet dungeons you can heavy attack a lot out of all the pvp and vet dungeons ive done ive never had to spam heals non stop
Why would I be spamming heals?
My only guess is you are talking about tanking, in which case not blocking=dead, not “spamming heals” The Warrior, the Amalgamation, Bloody Horn, Dranos, Chudan, Lady in Lacy, her Flesh Atronochs, Thurkavan, Zaan, AA Axes, SO Mantikora all hit for 40-60k unblocked. Stoneshaper, Wallbreaker, Deathstriker, Earthgore, Firebrand, all hit for 20-40k unblocked. When I have 8 vAA Axes on me, I’m not letting block down for more than a carefully timed bar swap, much less a full heavy attack.
Arent you a special snowflake. Redguard having one of the best sustains as both dps and tank is a fact. Also the redguard vs orc "argument" was about pvp.
You saying "LMFAO" about redguard having one of the best sustains proves your stupidity. You are doing nothing and have been doing nothing but just laughing and talking complete nonsense for this whole discussion. There's a reason every metachaser plays redguard, atleast in pvp, i literally couldnt care less about your brainless pve. The other guy literally said he was forced to go redguard xD
And then ofcourse calling me "sheepeople". Nice, totally won everything there. ESO Forums at its finest.
Red guard is the best at STAMINA sustain, but Tank’s have a hell of a lot more to worry about then stamina. Occasionally you can work in a heavy attack, OCCASIONALLY. But tanking any vet trial boss, practically impossible. Not to mention heavy attacks while wearing heavy armor give back more than enough resources without the minuscule on-hit stam return (tanks don’t sit there and light attack all day).
Sustain? You’d be very hard pressed to find a better race for sustain than Argonian. Potion passive is amazing on healers/tanks, not to mention increased to healing received/done, which I know at least for a DK tank is money in th bank.
For the 45th time we were still not talking about PvE
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Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
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Nihilanth✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
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Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
You do realize tanking is also a thing in PvP right? You're completely lost once again
Yep, I tank in both parts of the game, on the same Altmer Warden. Only think I change is armor sets, and 3 skills. I drop both taunts and Gate.
So I show you your own quote with nothing more, than highlighting YOUR OWN WORDS. Yet, somehow I'm lost? Well that statement sure as s**t got me lost.
Maiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
Playing BiS isn't impressive, playing unique at BiS lvl, THAT's impressive.0 -
Nihilanth✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
You do realize tanking is also a thing in PvP right? You're completely lost once again
Yep, I tank in both parts of the game, on the same Altmer Warden. Only think I change is armor sets, and 3 skills. I drop both taunts and Gate.
So I show you your own quote with nothing more, than highlighting YOUR OWN WORDS. Yet, somehow I'm lost? Well that statement sure as s**t got me lost.
Youre lost because you refuse to listen to anything i say and you keep rambling on about the same meaningless pve stuff constantly, how many times have i told you now that me and ragnarok was talking about pvp and you refused to stop ranting about pve?
You highlighted my words but you clearly still have no clue about what the hell i was talking about whatsoever.
Me and ragnarok was talking about PvP, NOT PvE, NOT a SINGLE TIME did we mention or talk about PvE. I would really appreciate if you calm down and stop bashing me and ranting on and on and on about things not even relevant to what me and ragnarok was talking about.
Have i made myself clear? If you still dont understand i seriously do not even know.Edited by Nihilanth on March 16, 2018 2:01PM0 -
Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
You do realize tanking is also a thing in PvP right? You're completely lost once again
Yep, I tank in both parts of the game, on the same Altmer Warden. Only think I change is armor sets, and 3 skills. I drop both taunts and Gate.
So I show you your own quote with nothing more, than highlighting YOUR OWN WORDS. Yet, somehow I'm lost? Well that statement sure as s**t got me lost.
Youre lost because you refuse to listen to anything i say and you keep rambling on about the same meaningless pve stuff constantly, how many times have i told you now that me and ragnarok was talking about pvp and you refused to stop ranting about pve?
You highlighted my words but you clearly still have no clue about what the hell i was talking about whatsoever.
Me and ragnarok was talking about PvP, NOT PvE, NOT a SINGLE TIME did we mention or talk about PvE. I would really appreciate if you calm down and stop bashing me and ranting on and on and on about things not even relevant to what me and ragnarok was talking about.
Have i made myself clear? If you still dont understand i seriously do not even know.
Oh, so Redgaurd is just a supirior PvP tank? Nope still not true. Plus we are taking PvP where Orc is stronger than in PvE. I guess your right though. Your response is always the same “we are talking PvP” either I talk PvP or not. Whether all I do is repost your own words... Some how I managed to be talking PvE. Even though I play the whole game, PvE, PvP, questing, Vet trials, crafting. The place where Redguard holds crown, is the one place you’re not talking about.Maiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
PvP StamDen, Warden Healer, MagDen, Stamplar, StamSorc, DK Failed Attempt, NB Failed Attempt
Playing BiS isn't impressive, playing unique at BiS lvl, THAT's impressive.0 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Argonians get 715 regen overall, they get 10% extra healing, they get 3% extra magicka, they get 9% extra health and they can neither be poisoned nor defiled by glyph procs (through their resistance)...no point talking about race balance while that's around
. Edited by Ectheliontnacil on March 16, 2018 11:21PM2 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Argonians get 715 regen overall, they get 10% extra healing, they get 9% extra health and they can neither be poisoned nor defiled by glyph procs (through their resistance)...no point talking about race balance while that's around .
Had all that since One Tamriel and people only started complaining about it since Morrowind. Funny how balance changes when ZOS nerfs CP to the ground.Argonian forever0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Argonians get 715 regen overall, they get 10% extra healing, they get 9% extra health and they can neither be poisoned nor defiled by glyph procs (through their resistance)...no point talking about race balance while that's around .
forgot the 3% extra magicka, it's not much, but it can beI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Argonians get 715 regen overall, they get 10% extra healing, they get 9% extra health and they can neither be poisoned nor defiled by glyph procs (through their resistance)...no point talking about race balance while that's around .
Had all that since One Tamriel and people only started complaining about it since Morrowind. Funny how balance changes when ZOS nerfs CP to the ground.
Like it or not, cps help to balance things a lotI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Nihilanth✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
You do realize tanking is also a thing in PvP right? You're completely lost once again
Yep, I tank in both parts of the game, on the same Altmer Warden. Only think I change is armor sets, and 3 skills. I drop both taunts and Gate.
So I show you your own quote with nothing more, than highlighting YOUR OWN WORDS. Yet, somehow I'm lost? Well that statement sure as s**t got me lost.
Youre lost because you refuse to listen to anything i say and you keep rambling on about the same meaningless pve stuff constantly, how many times have i told you now that me and ragnarok was talking about pvp and you refused to stop ranting about pve?
You highlighted my words but you clearly still have no clue about what the hell i was talking about whatsoever.
Me and ragnarok was talking about PvP, NOT PvE, NOT a SINGLE TIME did we mention or talk about PvE. I would really appreciate if you calm down and stop bashing me and ranting on and on and on about things not even relevant to what me and ragnarok was talking about.
Have i made myself clear? If you still dont understand i seriously do not even know.
Oh, so Redgaurd is just a supirior PvP tank? Nope still not true. Plus we are taking PvP where Orc is stronger than in PvE. I guess your right though. Your response is always the same “we are talking PvP” either I talk PvP or not. Whether all I do is repost your own words... Some how I managed to be talking PvE. Even though I play the whole game, PvE, PvP, questing, Vet trials, crafting. The place where Redguard holds crown, is the one place you’re not talking about.
You are absolutely hopeless, you have been talking about pve this entire time refusing to listen to anything i say. I give up trying to reason with you, it's a complete waste of time.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
You do realize tanking is also a thing in PvP right? You're completely lost once again
Yep, I tank in both parts of the game, on the same Altmer Warden. Only think I change is armor sets, and 3 skills. I drop both taunts and Gate.
So I show you your own quote with nothing more, than highlighting YOUR OWN WORDS. Yet, somehow I'm lost? Well that statement sure as s**t got me lost.
Youre lost because you refuse to listen to anything i say and you keep rambling on about the same meaningless pve stuff constantly, how many times have i told you now that me and ragnarok was talking about pvp and you refused to stop ranting about pve?
You highlighted my words but you clearly still have no clue about what the hell i was talking about whatsoever.
Me and ragnarok was talking about PvP, NOT PvE, NOT a SINGLE TIME did we mention or talk about PvE. I would really appreciate if you calm down and stop bashing me and ranting on and on and on about things not even relevant to what me and ragnarok was talking about.
Have i made myself clear? If you still dont understand i seriously do not even know.
Oh, so Redgaurd is just a supirior PvP tank? Nope still not true. Plus we are taking PvP where Orc is stronger than in PvE. I guess your right though. Your response is always the same “we are talking PvP” either I talk PvP or not. Whether all I do is repost your own words... Some how I managed to be talking PvE. Even though I play the whole game, PvE, PvP, questing, Vet trials, crafting. The place where Redguard holds crown, is the one place you’re not talking about.
You are absolutely hopeless, you have been talking about pve this entire time refusing to listen to anything i say. I give up trying to reason with you, it's a complete waste of time.
You're just insulting people non-stop. You should be a little more calm and actually try to emphatyze with people instead of just shouting at them.
He might be rambling about PvE or not, but he is right about one thing; Argonian is the true best PvP tank. Its a grossly overpowered race atm , and has a lot better survivability than orc while also having better sustain than a redguard.
My original point was, and still is that its unfair to give some races absurd amounts of sustain, and none to others.
When I was playing a stams'orc, sustain was no issue because of dark deal and stamsorc's natural high stam regen.
But on stamDk I find it a pain to sustain compared to redguard or argonian, bosmer etc. So yeah.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 16, 2018 6:46PM0 -
exiars10✭✭✭Buff Bosmer.
Worst stamina PvE race and only viable for some niche PvP builds.I don't play ESO since 15.06. because Cyrodiil is broken since Summerset (PvE isn't much better, too)...
Aldmeri Dominion (PC Europe via Steam)
The cowardly Wood Elves are best noted for their unwillingness to engage in a face-to-face attack; a Bosmer will strike at you from every side except the front. You won't cross swords with a Bosmer, but you might catch an arrow in the throat. Be wary in forests and jungles, and watch your back.0 -
Maura_Neysa✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
You do realize tanking is also a thing in PvP right? You're completely lost once again
Yep, I tank in both parts of the game, on the same Altmer Warden. Only think I change is armor sets, and 3 skills. I drop both taunts and Gate.
So I show you your own quote with nothing more, than highlighting YOUR OWN WORDS. Yet, somehow I'm lost? Well that statement sure as s**t got me lost.
Youre lost because you refuse to listen to anything i say and you keep rambling on about the same meaningless pve stuff constantly, how many times have i told you now that me and ragnarok was talking about pvp and you refused to stop ranting about pve?
You highlighted my words but you clearly still have no clue about what the hell i was talking about whatsoever.
Me and ragnarok was talking about PvP, NOT PvE, NOT a SINGLE TIME did we mention or talk about PvE. I would really appreciate if you calm down and stop bashing me and ranting on and on and on about things not even relevant to what me and ragnarok was talking about.
Have i made myself clear? If you still dont understand i seriously do not even know.
Oh, so Redgaurd is just a supirior PvP tank? Nope still not true. Plus we are taking PvP where Orc is stronger than in PvE. I guess your right though. Your response is always the same “we are talking PvP” either I talk PvP or not. Whether all I do is repost your own words... Some how I managed to be talking PvE. Even though I play the whole game, PvE, PvP, questing, Vet trials, crafting. The place where Redguard holds crown, is the one place you’re not talking about.
You are absolutely hopeless, you have been talking about pve this entire time refusing to listen to anything i say. I give up trying to reason with you, it's a complete waste of time.
You're just insulting people non-stop. You should be a little more calm and actually try to emphatyze with people instead of just shouting at them.
He might be rambling about PvE or not, but he is right about one thing; Argonian is the true best PvP tank. Its a grossly overpowered race atm , and has a lot better survivability than orc while also having better sustain than a redguard.
My original point was, and still is that its unfair to give some races absurd amounts of sustain, and none to others.
When I was playing a stams'orc, sustain was no issue because of dark deal and stamsorc's natural high stam regen.
But on stamDk I find it a pain to sustain compared to redguard or argonian, bosmer etc. So yeah.
She by the way.... My only point in originally saying anything was. Tanks are already rare without people spreading bad information about what is good for a tank. Redguard isn't good for a Tank, anywhere. It is good for a tanky DPS in Cryodiil, but that's still DPSMaiden Maura - Xbox NA
Warden Ice Tank (By far my favorite) -RIP #NerfmireStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer(solo tanked), Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe,Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's CoadjutorDragon Knight Healer (Since Homestead)
MajorShehai Shatterer, Mageslayer,Warden 2x Bow DPSStormproof, Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Ophidian Overlord, Assistant Alienist, Boethiah's Scythe, Maw of Lorkhaj Conqueror, Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor, Sunspire Saint,Others
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✭✭✭✭Maura_Neysa wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »Maura_Neysa wrote: »@Nihlanth So this isn't your qoute? Yours and @Ragnarock41 Cause this is where tanks were brought in. It sure as ell looks to me like you said Redguard's are better tanks than Orcs.....
Nothing to sayRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I still believe orc needs some minor buffs, as of right now its only viable to stamsorcs because stam regen doesnt matter for them.
maybe give this class a little bonus resource return on heavy attacks.
Tho if it was me I would remove the racial passives entirely, and let people pick their bonus passives instead. I'm forced into redguard and I hate it honestly.
@Ragnarock41 I laugh at people who think orc is weak. You're saying orc should get buffed with more resource return on heavy attacks? Orc has bonuses to damage and healing, very good ones aswell. You want to give it more sustain too? Thats insane. "I'm forced into redguard" You're not forced into anything, its a simple l2p issue. People always seem to think their own class or race is the weakest and you yourself prove it, "Worst Class EU". Maybe change it to "Worst Player EU"?
why are you so triggered? Why are you so mad? orc and redguard basically have very close tooltips, and redguard has sustain on top of good damage. yes, orc has better options when it comes to building for tanking, but only scrubs build to tank in cyrodiil.
Its not a lie orc is garbage outside of stamsorc.
you won't see anyone but stamsorcs use it.
But thats not the point here, why are you such a little triggered **** ?
Are you getting rekt by stams'orcs 7/24? you mad?
Or is it that you're jelaous your stinky redguard doesn't look as cool as an orc?
I dont play a redguard, if you know how to read you can see im playing an imperial stamplar. I also play an orc stamdk (;. One funny thing is i see more stamplars and stamdks use orc than i see stamsorcs use orc. You call me triggered but youre the one who call me a "little ****" and ask me if i get rekt by stamsorcs xD Also called me a stinky redguard but you're the one who plays a redguard? Not me. Also in my opinion redguard is better for tanking because of the op stamreturn and the more max stam.
Orc doesnt need buffs just because you dont know how to play it. So stick to steering wheel redguard
Also pls @me when responding to me, especially when you respond in a salty manner because i love to read it
You do realize tanking is also a thing in PvP right? You're completely lost once again
Yep, I tank in both parts of the game, on the same Altmer Warden. Only think I change is armor sets, and 3 skills. I drop both taunts and Gate.
So I show you your own quote with nothing more, than highlighting YOUR OWN WORDS. Yet, somehow I'm lost? Well that statement sure as s**t got me lost.
Youre lost because you refuse to listen to anything i say and you keep rambling on about the same meaningless pve stuff constantly, how many times have i told you now that me and ragnarok was talking about pvp and you refused to stop ranting about pve?
You highlighted my words but you clearly still have no clue about what the hell i was talking about whatsoever.
Me and ragnarok was talking about PvP, NOT PvE, NOT a SINGLE TIME did we mention or talk about PvE. I would really appreciate if you calm down and stop bashing me and ranting on and on and on about things not even relevant to what me and ragnarok was talking about.
Have i made myself clear? If you still dont understand i seriously do not even know.
Oh, so Redgaurd is just a supirior PvP tank? Nope still not true. Plus we are taking PvP where Orc is stronger than in PvE. I guess your right though. Your response is always the same “we are talking PvP” either I talk PvP or not. Whether all I do is repost your own words... Some how I managed to be talking PvE. Even though I play the whole game, PvE, PvP, questing, Vet trials, crafting. The place where Redguard holds crown, is the one place you’re not talking about.
You are absolutely hopeless, you have been talking about pve this entire time refusing to listen to anything i say. I give up trying to reason with you, it's a complete waste of time.
You're just insulting people non-stop. You should be a little more calm and actually try to emphatyze with people instead of just shouting at them.
He might be rambling about PvE or not, but he is right about one thing; Argonian is the true best PvP tank. Its a grossly overpowered race atm , and has a lot better survivability than orc while also having better sustain than a redguard.
My original point was, and still is that its unfair to give some races absurd amounts of sustain, and none to others.
When I was playing a stams'orc, sustain was no issue because of dark deal and stamsorc's natural high stam regen.
But on stamDk I find it a pain to sustain compared to redguard or argonian, bosmer etc. So yeah.
She by the way.... My only point in originally saying anything was. Tanks are already rare without people spreading bad information about what is good for a tank. Redguard isn't good for a Tank, anywhere. It is good for a tanky DPS in Cryodiil, but that's still DPS
Sorry for my assumption.
On the topic you are correct, redguard is good for tanky dps, and that is still DPS.
Argonian is the true BiS for PvP sustain and survival, and those two things equals to A LOT of build freedom.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 17, 2018 4:57AM0 -
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Argonians get 715 regen overall, they get 10% extra healing, they get 9% extra health and they can neither be poisoned nor defiled by glyph procs (through their resistance)...no point talking about race balance while that's around .
Had all that since One Tamriel and people only started complaining about it since Morrowind. Funny how balance changes when ZOS nerfs CP to the ground.
Like it or not, cps help to balance things a lot
You're right, which is why it makes 0 sense to complain about Argonians overperforming in sustain when that's all the race has. Back in One Tamriel sustain was pointless but it was all Argonians had with no means of increasing their damage to ever hope to match the other races. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, however, people are complaining that Argonians are OP because they can sustain better than the other races, despite the other races having naturally higher damage numbers than Argonian.Argonian forever0 -
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✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Argonians get 715 regen overall, they get 10% extra healing, they get 9% extra health and they can neither be poisoned nor defiled by glyph procs (through their resistance)...no point talking about race balance while that's around .
Had all that since One Tamriel and people only started complaining about it since Morrowind. Funny how balance changes when ZOS nerfs CP to the ground.
Like it or not, cps help to balance things a lot
You're right, which is why it makes 0 sense to complain about Argonians overperforming in sustain when that's all the race has. Back in One Tamriel sustain was pointless but it was all Argonians had with no means of increasing their damage to ever hope to match the other races. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, however, people are complaining that Argonians are OP because they can sustain better than the other races, despite the other races having naturally higher damage numbers than Argonian.
You are wrong. We aren't complaining about argonians overperforming, we are complaining about other races underperformingI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0