Bleed

kaithuzar

Qbiken wrote: »

How can you say "bleed is a way of dealing with extremely tanky targets" & also say "one of the 3 things over performing in pvp is heal debuffing"
Both are mechanisms for killing tanky targets but you praise one & complain about another???

"Praise" is a little over-exaggerate. Only thing I´ve done in this thread is giving examples of ways to deal with bleed damage and using that as an argument why they aren´t overperforming. Reason I´m not talking about healing-debuffs is because the thread is about bleeds and not defiles.......Trying to stick to subject you know....
And more people than me can agree that defiles (and especially the befoul CP) overperform in PvP...... And you´ve more sources of countering bleed-damage than you´ve to counter defile debuffs.......

Bleed is the way stamina deals with tanky targets? So it's ok if they melt everyone else just so long as they're dealing with tanks right?
I actually don't want bleeds to be nerfed but I do want the hypocrisy to end.

What part of my earlier posts in this thread did you fail to read? Go back and re-read different sources to handle/mitigate bleed damage and try again.......

If you´re going to call someone out for hypocrisy at least know what you´re doing.......

But you clearly did mention healing debuffs...
If you're going to talk smack at least read what you yourself have written rather than b.s. me with "I'm staying on topic..."when it's blatant that you went off topic quoting another thread in an attempt to prove your point.

Qbiken

kaithuzar wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

How can you say "bleed is a way of dealing with extremely tanky targets" & also say "one of the 3 things over performing in pvp is heal debuffing"
Both are mechanisms for killing tanky targets but you praise one & complain about another???

"Praise" is a little over-exaggerate. Only thing I´ve done in this thread is giving examples of ways to deal with bleed damage and using that as an argument why they aren´t overperforming. Reason I´m not talking about healing-debuffs is because the thread is about bleeds and not defiles.......Trying to stick to subject you know....
And more people than me can agree that defiles (and especially the befoul CP) overperform in PvP...... And you´ve more sources of countering bleed-damage than you´ve to counter defile debuffs.......

Bleed is the way stamina deals with tanky targets? So it's ok if they melt everyone else just so long as they're dealing with tanks right?
I actually don't want bleeds to be nerfed but I do want the hypocrisy to end.

What part of my earlier posts in this thread did you fail to read? Go back and re-read different sources to handle/mitigate bleed damage and try again.......

If you´re going to call someone out for hypocrisy at least know what you´re doing.......

But you clearly did mention healing debuffs...
If you're going to talk smack at least read what you yourself have written rather than b.s. me with "I'm staying on topic..."when it's blatant that you went off topic quoting another thread in an attempt to prove your point.

So mentioning something in order to prove a point within the correct context of this thread is going off-topic? I´m out....

Azurya

troll thread

Skander

Nah, they are still op

Ragnarock41

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

yeah, burst an experienced bleedblade that keeps bouncing between cloak and dodge rolls while his dots melt me, with my %95 dodgeable skill set.

Good joke, really.

Wrubius_Coronaria

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Just a very minority use troll king. With that, a lot of them (if this is not all) play in heavy armor. The worst is you can't burst them because of their high damages migitation and after one moment, it's not even possible to overheal the bleeding dot without runing out of ressources. (spamming your defensives skills won't change anything except draining your ressources faster).

The only way to counter that (as medium armor stamina nighblade at least) is using troll king, but wearing one specific set for counter bleeding is not what I call a balanced debuff, dot.

Bleeding really need to be reworked, ignoring armor mitigation is just stupid and this debuff really lack of counterplay.

Neloth

Anyone here have a good bleed setup for my stam sorc?

Qbiken

Bleeding really need to be reworked, ignoring armor mitigation is just stupid and this debuff really lack of counterplay.

@Subversus When you literally writes 2 posts in the same thread mentioning ways to counter bleed-damage and still get these comments.......

Skander

Qbiken wrote: »

Bleeding really need to be reworked, ignoring armor mitigation is just stupid and this debuff really lack of counterplay.

@Subversus When you literally writes 2 posts in the same thread mentioning ways to counter bleed-damage and still get these comments.......

Let me tell you this.


Will you counter bleeds with skills that won't do worse to you than not just die?
No
Thus not balanced, pls fix

Subversus

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

yeah, burst an experienced bleedblade that keeps bouncing between cloak and dodge rolls while his dots melt me, with my %95 dodgeable skill set.

Good joke, really.

Name one good bleed blade on PC EU and I'll kill him/her and prove you wrong. Who tf are you anyway

Subversus

Qbiken wrote: »

Bleeding really need to be reworked, ignoring armor mitigation is just stupid and this debuff really lack of counterplay.

@Subversus When you literally writes 2 posts in the same thread mentioning ways to counter bleed-damage and still get these comments.......

Yeah lol, funny thing is that I get those comments from people from our own platform. One would think bleed builds are something everyone runs here, when it's the exact opposite. Bads will remain bads.

Ron_Burgundy_79

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Thanks for the advice. Hadn't considered that.

Simple fix to bleeds. They shouldn't ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

Qbiken

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Thanks for the advice. Hadn't considered that.

Simple fix to bleeds. They shouldn't ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

Simple fix = Learn how to counter certain builds (I´ve even done the research for you and posted in this thread several times) and deal with the fact that PvP in this game is a "Rock, paper, scissor game". Bleeds are balanced and both you, me and everyone else reading this thread knows it.

Ragnarock41

Qbiken wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Thanks for the advice. Hadn't considered that.

Simple fix to bleeds. They shouldn't ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

Simple fix = Learn how to counter certain builds (I´ve even done the research for you and posted in this thread several times) and deal with the fact that PvP in this game is a "Rock, paper, scissor game". Bleeds are balanced and both you, me and everyone else reading this thread knows it.

For a stamina build, the only counter that makes sense to a bleed build is slotting purge.
Nothing else will be as effective , especially for a Dk.

Now sure, you can spam Dragon blood, vigor, rally like a madman, but you will burn too many resources for delaying your death.
Or instead you can just purge every 5 seconds and focus on actually killing the guy.

Skander

Slotting purge to counter bleeds, is one of the most moronic things a player is forced to do. At least oblivion dmg had a cooldown.

felipenepub17_ESO

Skander wrote: »

Nerf it

Thank you

and the QQ has started !! nerf this, nerf that, only because I have L2P issues.

Come on man. any decent PvP player knows that bleed builds are very niche and only competitive in duels. Try out to run a bleed build on open world. you will get trashed !!!! bleed builds sucks at open wolrd pvp. the meta in open world still is and always has been burst builds. Please link the youtube channel of any competitive PvPer who 1vX using bleed builds !! it´s the rarest thing, man. If bleeds were nerfed it would destroy a playstyle that is already weak.

Qbiken

Caitsith wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Bleeding really need to be reworked, ignoring armor mitigation is just stupid and this debuff really lack of counterplay.

@Subversus When you literally writes 2 posts in the same thread mentioning ways to counter bleed-damage and still get these comments.......

I already know these advices, thank you. And I don't bother reading threads in their totallity most of the time, because 90% of the posts aren't really usefull as your message for example.

I said my opinion about bleed, from what I have seen in my actual pvp experience.
At least when you quote something, don't take it out of context and read what I wrote entirely instead of choosing what makes you comfortable with your own opinion.

Subversus wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Bleeding really need to be reworked, ignoring armor mitigation is just stupid and this debuff really lack of counterplay.

@Subversus When you literally writes 2 posts in the same thread mentioning ways to counter bleed-damage and still get these comments.......

Yeah lol, funny thing is that I get those comments from people from our own platform. One would think bleed builds are something everyone runs here, when it's the exact opposite. Bads will remain bads.

hmm, just lol.

The way your quote was writte,n the sentence I quoted looked like a small "summery", that´s the reason I decided only to quote that part, but point taken. Wasn´t meant to take your post out of context :P

WillhelmBlack

Can we please let this thread die, like the OP does to bleed damage.

raasdal

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Can we please let this thread die, like the OP does to bleed damage.

Ahahaha... Agreed. Whooops... Just contributed to keeping this alive did’nt i?

raasdal

Caitsith wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Qbiken just drop this thread, cant argue with someone who's already made up his mind. At this point it's like arguing with fools.

This statement true for every person who participated to this thread. Especially you.

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Qbiken just drop this thread, cant argue with someone who's already made up his mind. At this point it's like arguing with fools.

You do realize that you have made up your mind. You essentially called yourself a fool.

Simple fix: treat bleeds like every other source of damage on the dual wield skill line. It should not ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Exactly, and I don't understand why this source of damages is an exception and ignore physical resistance. What's the reason behind it? I'd like to know.

Neloth wrote: »

Anyone here have a good bleed setup for my stam sorc?

It's quite simple, start by using twin sisters set + 2 axes in dual wields with a lot of cp for buff your dots and enjoy.

Just FYI, bleeds are dealing less base damage than all other skills, and are thus balanced. It is here for diversity. Look at the tooltip value of the DW or 2H bleed skills. If they were normal physical damage, they would need a 10-20% damage increase to not be completely garbage.

Also, OP is referring solely to the DW/2H Passive.

Subversus

@Caitsith

"I don't understand why a damage type called "bleed" ignores physical resistance (aka armor)."

Maybe because you're bleeding from your body and not from your armor? Jesus Christ can you people be dumber than this?

Skander

This thread won't die anytime soon. It will die when bleed gets fixed.

Ragnarock41

Skander wrote: »

Slotting purge to counter bleeds, is one of the most moronic things a player is forced to do. At least oblivion dmg had a cooldown.

just the exitance of purge is enough to make bleed builds useless in big battles. Its just a small scale and 1v1 thing.
And even then they just counter certain playstyles like stamDK.

Subversus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Thanks for the advice. Hadn't considered that.

Simple fix to bleeds. They shouldn't ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

Simple fix = Learn how to counter certain builds (I´ve even done the research for you and posted in this thread several times) and deal with the fact that PvP in this game is a "Rock, paper, scissor game". Bleeds are balanced and both you, me and everyone else reading this thread knows it.

For a stamina build, the only counter that makes sense to a bleed build is slotting purge.
Nothing else will be as effective , especially for a Dk.

Now sure, you can spam Dragon blood, vigor, rally like a madman, but you will burn too many resources for delaying your death.
Or instead you can just purge every 5 seconds and focus on actually killing the guy.

You still haven't answered me. What's your in game @?

@ensar492

What are you gonna do? ask me for a 1v1? threaten me in game ? how old are you saltbag? 12?

Skander

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Slotting purge to counter bleeds, is one of the most moronic things a player is forced to do. At least oblivion dmg had a cooldown.

just the exitance of purge is enough to make bleed builds useless in big battles. Its just a small scale and 1v1 thing.
And even then they just counter certain playstyles like stamDK.

Subversus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Thanks for the advice. Hadn't considered that.

Simple fix to bleeds. They shouldn't ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

Simple fix = Learn how to counter certain builds (I´ve even done the research for you and posted in this thread several times) and deal with the fact that PvP in this game is a "Rock, paper, scissor game". Bleeds are balanced and both you, me and everyone else reading this thread knows it.

For a stamina build, the only counter that makes sense to a bleed build is slotting purge.
Nothing else will be as effective , especially for a Dk.

Now sure, you can spam Dragon blood, vigor, rally like a madman, but you will burn too many resources for delaying your death.
Or instead you can just purge every 5 seconds and focus on actually killing the guy.

You still haven't answered me. What's your in game @?

@ensar492

What are you gonna do? ask me for a 1v1? threaten me in game ? how old are you saltbag? 12?

In big battles you die from everything. Bleeds are always on the death recap when you fight someone with them.

Anethum

Subversus wrote: »

@Ragnarock41 I've literally never heard of your random ass, cool off before you explode from your 10 minutes of forum fame lmao.

forum fame blabla, its a shame to turn dialog on personality

xiZeroPointix

Bleed is stronk! It requires a lot of farming on the hardest content and precision tuning of your skills and cp and rotation. Then its purged....

Joy_Division

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Thanks for the advice. Hadn't considered that.

Simple fix to bleeds. They shouldn't ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

How is it that simple though?

The whole point of having bleeds is that they ignore physical Resistance. It's supposed to be a counter to people running around with max resistance bonus holding down the block key. Your simple fix would make bleeds pointless and turn it into another DoT, i.e., removing from the game entirely. What would be the point of bleeds? There wouldn't be any. Why use an axe? It would be just more useless gear to decon.

It's not fixing a problem It's not even nerfing a mechanic. It's tantamount to removing it from the game altogether.

What I see in this thread is just moar "I died from X, X is too hard to counter, X i s OP" refrain that has prompted the devs to overnerf our classes such that the only distinctiveness they have is the gear/weapons they use (e.g. bleeds).

Are bleeds strong? Yes. That's not a bad thing. Otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to use them. Are they too strong? I don't think the people arguing that have put forth convincing evidence to make such a definitive claim. Lot of questions about how can it be countered and vague assertions of just how strong it is, but this is all very anecdotal and impressionistic

Tonturri

Using a build in the build editor, I got the following tooltips.

2h axe bleed would deal 12028 damage over 6 sec (same tooltip for DW). That's ~2k per sec or 1k/sec in pvp

2h sword would add 5% dmg - because I'm lazy we'll just use the Dizzing Swing tooltip of 17871. It would add 894 damage to each dizzing swing. That's 894/sec or 447 extra damage per swing in pvp (I don't know if it also increases the damage of your light attacks + whatever else you may be doing, like Hurricane because I'm using a stam sorc build for this).

Taking into consideration the 2h axe bleed's 16% proc chance, the varying value of sustained vs burst damage, that the other option is always up, I don't know if the bleed can overwrite itself and thus lose out on ticks, etc etc...I think we can safely come to the conclusion that these two supposedly 'free' sources of damage are both fine (though maybe swords need a bit of a buff :P). The 2h axe bleed is good sustained damage, but 2h sword will give more burst.

I personally wish that bleeds had a 100% proc chance but you had to actually be more active to proc them, but eh.

In short

1) You're going to take damage in pvp. Also known as 'it's impossible to counter every single thing'. You can, if you like, make a setup that is strong against bleed builds, but it will be lacking in other areas. I don't know how to stress this enough. Sometimes the answer is just gonna be 'do this this and this. If you don't want to or are unable to do those, suck it up'.
2) Stop it with the 'free' damage. It's only 'free' damage if you're not a good enough player to make use of the alternatives (landing dizzying swings which takes some aim vs. just spamming LAs to proc the bleed, I guess?)
3) Calling something OP and asking it to be nerfed is an awful way to go about anything. So is listing what the <whatever it is> actually does (like saying bleeds are OP because they go through armor - okay, executes are OP because they deal increased damage to low health targets).

And lastly, just in case, the effective DPS of the 12k bleed at 16% proc chance (at chance of one application/LA per second) is 320 - .16*2000

Ron_Burgundy_79

Joy_Division wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

The point is: Defending bleed is moronic, becouse they are overperforming. Nerf them making nthem scale on physical resistance.

Thanks

Bleeds alone are not overperforming. They are a mediocre dot at best. They are STRONG (not that I did not use "overperforming"; only a sith deals in absolutes!) if you build around them. They are not overperforming. Just because you can't beat a bleed build doesn't mean they're suddenly op.

Please explain to me how to counter and kill a skilled player using a bleed build in a duel on any class of your choosing.

You kill them. Bleed builds have terrible survivability and usually only survive cause of troll king. As I said, I haven't lost to a bleed build since homestead, some of them being extremely experienced players. Burst them and they're done. I don't even know why I have to explain this to you, it should be common knowledge to someone that's not bad.

If you call for a nerf I expect you should know how to counter said ability, not just blindly nerf something because you're too garbage to beat it.

Thanks for the advice. Hadn't considered that.

Simple fix to bleeds. They shouldn't ignore physical resistance.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

How is it that simple though?

The whole point of having bleeds is that they ignore physical Resistance. It's supposed to be a counter to people running around with max resistance bonus holding down the block key. Your simple fix would make bleeds pointless and turn it into another DoT, i.e., removing from the game entirely. What would be the point of bleeds? There wouldn't be any. Why use an axe? It would be just more useless gear to decon.

It's not fixing a problem It's not even nerfing a mechanic. It's tantamount to removing it from the game altogether.

What I see in this thread is just moar "I died from X, X is too hard to counter, X i s OP" refrain that has prompted the devs to overnerf our classes such that the only distinctiveness they have is the gear/weapons they use (e.g. bleeds).

Are bleeds strong? Yes. That's not a bad thing. Otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to use them. Are they too strong? I don't think the people arguing that have put forth convincing evidence to make such a definitive claim. Lot of questions about how can it be countered and vague assertions of just how strong it is, but this is all very anecdotal and impressionistic

It would still be a free dot. 100% free. It's actually a net positive in sustain to light attack which procs bleed.

I'd like to know how to counter a stamplar running bleeds and power of the light. I have yet to hear an actual answer other than slot purge which isn't a solution.

Hint: there isnt one

Ron_Burgundy_79

Subversus wrote: »

@Caitsith if you're going to preach about lack of intelligence at least try to avoid any grammatical errors in that wall of text of yours. It doesn't make you look all that good.

Not to mention that you're obviously so triggered at this whole thing that you went out of your way to start calling me names and having assumptions about my intellectual wellbeing.

As for the question at hand, just stop. The simple fact that you want to blindly nerf bleeds into oblivion says all I need to know about you and your intentions as a player.

There is but a single thing I can say to you: learn to *** play.

You sound like a sad and hateful person. I hope you can find happiness.