Bleed

Kartalin

“People” implies more than one person though doesn’t it?

Skander

Kartalin wrote: »

“People” implies more than one person though doesn’t it?

You are welcome to explore the older threads.

Datolite

Skander wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

“People” implies more than one person though doesn’t it?

You are welcome to explore the older threads.

You sound like about the whiniest player I've ever seen on these forums. Even your signature makes me cringe. Please uninstall.

Skander

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

“People” implies more than one person though doesn’t it?

You are welcome to explore the older threads.

You sound like about the whiniest player I've ever seen on these forums. Even your signature makes me cringe. Please uninstall.

Nah

raasdal

Why is OP constantly referring to bleeds as “free” proc damage? Is he actually confusing the Bleed damage type with something else? Is he maybe actually just talking about the Master/Asylum (cant remember which) DW buff to Blood Craze? Is he that ****?

And lastly, in case above is wrong, and OP is just plain bad at the game; Bleed effects are already scaled correctly. They deal LESS damage than other skils, to outweigh the resistance ignoring. They only perform better than other skills against heavy armor targets.

Juhasow

Skander wrote: »

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Slot rapid regen if you can't handle bleeds with extended ritual alone.

I won't change my build becouse something isn't balanced

This comment is perfect summary showing why it's worthless to even talk with OP. He doesnt want to adapt he just want to play as he wants and everything around beeing adapted to his playstyle.

Skander

raasdal wrote: »

Why is OP constantly referring to bleeds as “free” proc damage? Is he actually confusing the Bleed damage type with something else? Is he maybe actually just talking about the Master/Asylum (cant remember which) DW buff to Blood Craze? Is he that ****?

And lastly, in case above is wrong, and OP is just plain bad at the game; Bleed effects are already scaled correctly. They deal LESS damage than other skils, to outweigh the resistance ignoring. They only perform better than other skills against heavy armor targets.

Take an axe. Light attack. Bleed chance

Skander

Juhasow wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Slot rapid regen if you can't handle bleeds with extended ritual alone.

I won't change my build becouse something isn't balanced

This comment is perfect summary showing why it's worthless to even talk with OP. He doesnt want to adapt he just want to play as he wants and everything around beeing adapted to his playstyle.

It's not adaptation. it's unfairness

BroanBeast1215

OP's sig tells me he doesn't know what he's talking about and or just a troll, either way I can disregard his posts with a clear conscience

Ragnarock41

Not sure about nerfs but only a moron would call bleeds weak.

Juhasow

Skander wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Slot rapid regen if you can't handle bleeds with extended ritual alone.

I won't change my build becouse something isn't balanced

This comment is perfect summary showing why it's worthless to even talk with OP. He doesnt want to adapt he just want to play as he wants and everything around beeing adapted to his playstyle.

It's not adaptation. it's unfairness

Well lets maybe talk then about unfaif combo of extended ritual+Honor the Dead ? Dont You think it's much bigger unfairness how immortal You can be because of that even if someone is constantly applying bleeds ? And if You are not then it's just L2P issue.

Also how can You tell it's not about adaptation if You didnt tried to adapt preffering instead whining ?

Minno

Juhasow wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Slot rapid regen if you can't handle bleeds with extended ritual alone.

I won't change my build becouse something isn't balanced

This comment is perfect summary showing why it's worthless to even talk with OP. He doesnt want to adapt he just want to play as he wants and everything around beeing adapted to his playstyle.

He's wrong and right at the same time. He's right because slotting resto to place mutagen means you have to give up eitger dual weld or snb which synergize with Templar better AND you have to give up a skill slot to slot an effective hot in addition to slotting purge. It really messes with build setups.

He's wrong because the correct step isn't to nerf bleeds, it's to buff magplar by giving them an actual HoT. Most of the magplar kit has heals over two seconds not one seconds, making it harder to soak up dots purge can't remove. Turning these spells to actually tick over 1 second, would help defend magplars against bleeds.

Drakkdjinn

No -- There Will Be Blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5d9BrLN5K4

Pro tip for magplars, your class purge removes more effects than the total number of bleeds that exist in this game, and it should be on your bar already anyway. Just sayin - you have a button for this buddy.

Skander

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

No -- There Will Be Blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5d9BrLN5K4

Pro tip for magplars, your class purge removes more effects than the total number of bleeds that exist in this game, and it should be on your bar already anyway. Just sayin - you have a button for this buddy.

That cleanse costs more then any stamina ability i can think of

NyassaV

Judging by your signature you don't know a ton, but you do know some things so I can work with that! Bleeds are a very fun effect for stamina, it is unique to Axes and stamina skills. Bleeds in PvP go through shields which I personally can see as being problematic seeing as they already ignore resistances. However nerfing bleeds would effect PvE more than it would PvP due to the fact DoTs are better in PvE

Skander

Juhasow wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Slot rapid regen if you can't handle bleeds with extended ritual alone.

I won't change my build becouse something isn't balanced

This comment is perfect summary showing why it's worthless to even talk with OP. He doesnt want to adapt he just want to play as he wants and everything around beeing adapted to his playstyle.

It's not adaptation. it's unfairness

Well lets maybe talk then about unfaif combo of extended ritual+Honor the Dead ? Dont You think it's much bigger unfairness how immortal You can be because of that even if someone is constantly applying bleeds ? And if You are not then it's just L2P issue.

Also how can You tell it's not about adaptation if You didnt tried to adapt preffering instead whining ?

Let's count:

3.5k (optimal cost of cleansing)+ 2k (optimal with the mag return) heal
vs
Free spammable bleed.

Whatcha say?

Skander

Hollery wrote: »

Judging by your signature you don't know a ton, but you do know some things so I can work with that! Bleeds are a very fun effect for stamina, it is unique to Axes and stamina skills. Bleeds in PvP go through shields which I personally can see as being problematic seeing as they already ignore resistances. However nerfing bleeds would effect PvE more than it would PvP due to the fact DoTs are better in PvE

So your fun is best then balance?

CyrusArya

Skander wrote: »

So your fun is best then balance?

No, what ppl are saying is your are clearly far from being an arbiter of balance. I can’t believe ppl are still entertaining a thread with a magplar complaining about bleeds. Here’s a tip: you’re not supposed to spam purge. You use it selectively to foil a burst combo and then heal up and go offensive. A build that is stacked into dot damage cannot kill (decent opponents) without lining everything up. You are better equipped than any class in the game to prevent that from happening, and that’s why ppl think this post is a joke.

Kartalin

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Pro tip for magplars, your class purge removes more effects than the total number of bleeds that exist in this game, and it should be on your bar already anyway. Just sayin - you have a button for this buddy.

Wait so you're saying that magplars, such as the OP, have an ability that easily gets rid of five different negative effects at one time, including any bleeds? WOW, that sounds like an amazing skill to slot to completely counter these bleeds. Oh, if only OP had read his skill descriptions before deciding to post in the forums.

Quick, someone check if OP has a thread complaining about all the fire DoTs on them when fighting MagDK's, I think we've discovered a solution! No need to nerf anything, just learn to play! Oh happy day!

Skander

CyrusArya wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

So your fun is best then balance?

No, what ppl are saying is your are clearly far from being an arbiter of balance. I can’t believe ppl are still entertaining a thread with a magplar complaining about bleeds. Here’s a tip: you’re not supposed to spam purge. You use it selectively to foil a burst combo and then heal up and go offensive. A build that is stacked into dot damage cannot kill (decent opponents) without lining everything up. You are better equipped than any class in the game to prevent that from happening, and that’s why ppl think this post is a joke.

I didn't say remove it, or make it usless. I said nerf it

Skander

Kartalin wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Pro tip for magplars, your class purge removes more effects than the total number of bleeds that exist in this game, and it should be on your bar already anyway. Just sayin - you have a button for this buddy.

Wait so you're saying that magplars, such as the OP, have an ability that easily gets rid of five different negative effects at one time, including any bleeds? WOW, that sounds like an amazing skill to slot to completely counter these bleeds. Oh, if only OP had read his skill descriptions before deciding to post in the forums.

Quick, someone check if OP has a thread complaining about all the fire DoTs on them when fighting MagDK's, I think we've discovered a solution! No need to nerf anything, just learn to play! Oh happy day!

that ability does cost more then any stamina ability i can think of. And doesn't heal you more then 1k every 2 seconds. It's utility, and it's there becouse a templar DIES without it

Sergykid

nerf bleeds? damn, i would buff them to hit through absorb shields too. How can a magical absorption shield cover the caster's body bleeding. Bleeds deal pretty low dmg too i think. Some good tank won't die from ur bleeds will just passively outheal them.

Minno

Sergykid wrote: »

nerf bleeds? damn, i would buff them to hit through absorb shields too. How can a magical absorption shield cover the caster's body bleeding. Bleeds deal pretty low dmg too i think. Some good tank won't die from ur bleeds will just passively outheal them.

Your axe has to hit the body to cause bleeding in the first place

Drakkdjinn

Skander wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

No -- There Will Be Blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5d9BrLN5K4

Pro tip for magplars, your class purge removes more effects than the total number of bleeds that exist in this game, and it should be on your bar already anyway. Just sayin - you have a button for this buddy.

That cleanse costs more then any stamina ability i can think of

AHA! So it IS on your bar. Try pressing it, you’ll be pleasantly surprised to find out: you’re playing the hard counter to bleed builds already. Just trying to help you out here mate.

Ps. Rapids is a stam skill. The more you know!

Skander

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

No -- There Will Be Blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5d9BrLN5K4

Pro tip for magplars, your class purge removes more effects than the total number of bleeds that exist in this game, and it should be on your bar already anyway. Just sayin - you have a button for this buddy.

That cleanse costs more then any stamina ability i can think of

AHA! So it IS on your bar. Try pressing it, you’ll be pleasantly surprised to find out: you’re playing the hard counter to bleed builds already. Just trying to help you out here mate.

Ps. Rapids is a stam skill. The more you know!

Actually no. You die spamming cleanse on bleeds.

Let me show you how strategy works:

Bleed cost=0
Cleanse=3.5k mag

Applies bleed. Cleanse. (-3.5k mag)
Fight, due to weapon abilities of DW applies, bashing and ligh attacking-->Bleed. IF cleanse (-3.5k mag)
Repeat.

In 5 seconds of fight i lost 15k mag on cleansing bleeds. Not healing myself while my opponent didn't have to spend a single stamina for them

raasdal

Skander wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Why is OP constantly referring to bleeds as “free” proc damage? Is he actually confusing the Bleed damage type with something else? Is he maybe actually just talking about the Master/Asylum (cant remember which) DW buff to Blood Craze? Is he that ****?

And lastly, in case above is wrong, and OP is just plain bad at the game; Bleed effects are already scaled correctly. They deal LESS damage than other skils, to outweigh the resistance ignoring. They only perform better than other skills against heavy armor targets.

Take an axe. Light attack. Bleed chance

Ahaha, really? You are a templar (i have no clue who you are, but based on the thread) and you are complaining about the (8-16%chance) Proc for DW/2H bleed passive. If ever there was a time to say it, this is it.

L2P

Drakkdjinn

Skander wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

No -- There Will Be Blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5d9BrLN5K4

Pro tip for magplars, your class purge removes more effects than the total number of bleeds that exist in this game, and it should be on your bar already anyway. Just sayin - you have a button for this buddy.

That cleanse costs more then any stamina ability i can think of

AHA! So it IS on your bar. Try pressing it, you’ll be pleasantly surprised to find out: you’re playing the hard counter to bleed builds already. Just trying to help you out here mate.

Ps. Rapids is a stam skill. The more you know!

Actually no. You die spamming cleanse on bleeds.

Let me show you how strategy works:

Bleed cost=0
Cleanse=3.5k mag

Applies bleed. Cleanse. (-3.5k mag)
Fight, due to weapon abilities of DW applies, bashing and ligh attacking-->Bleed. IF cleanse (-3.5k mag)
Repeat.

In 5 seconds of fight i lost 15k mag on cleansing bleeds. Not healing myself while my opponent didn't have to spend a single stamina for them

Youre referring exclusively to the WW bleed based on your presented understanding as to how you assume bleed works, as there's no free bleed that can out proc purge and still do significant damage. The others have an 8-16% proc chance, significantly less dmg, so they won't kill you if you're not naked and/or use purge at least once in the fight. I won't make a comment on the WW bleed being OP or not as I do not know its mechanics & dmg scaling-- but I don't suppose anything's going to stop you from QQ'ing about bleed overall at this point since you've established you're not going to hit your one-button counter to the playstyle on moral grounds - kek.

I'd offer you a hug, but I'm afraid you might die from blood loss if I squeeze too hard.

Speed_Kills

Skander wrote: »

Speed_Kills wrote: »

Slot rapid regen if you can't handle bleeds with extended ritual alone.

I won't change my build becouse something isn't balanced

In other words, "bleeds counter my build, bleeds op"

Speed_Kills

Forgot to add: L2p.

RinaldoGandolphi

Honestly only one thing needs to be changed:

Undead are immune to bleeding damage

This is TES universe, and Undead have NEVER in the lore history of the game been vulnerable to bleeding damage. Undead literally have no blood to bleed. So if your vampire you should be immune to bleeding just like Argonians are immunue to the Diseased and Poisoned Status effect, Dark Elves are immune to the Burning Status effect, and Bosmer are immune to the Diseased and Poisoned Status effect.

If Vampires/Undead are going to be weak to fire and Dawnbreaker(which by lore is accurate) then they most certainly should be immune to bleeding.