Pvp need campaign faction lock?

LeagueTroll

Pvp faction locked per account per campaign, so 1 account can not play 2 factions in vivec, but can still play one factiom in vivec and another in sothasil, yes ro no?

Marginis

No

People play PVP for different reasons. Just as an example, maybe someone doesn't want to hardcore PVP, they just want to play with their friends, who happen to be in Cyrodiil. One group of this person's friends only play DC, and the other group always plays EP. Both groups only play Vivec. This person would have to tell one group of their friends they can't play with them. Seems a bit unnecessary.

geonsocal

No

i vote for a 24, 12, or 2 hour timer for faction swapping...

Beardimus

Yes

100% yes after what I experienced this weekend. Someone switching alliances to flip emp keeps with their mates and AP boost.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/393779/alliance-switching-to-boost-ap-and-take-emp-discuss/p1

I'm happy with a 24/48hr timer also. But this needs to change.

I've not seen a decent arguement yet to counter the suggestion. Playing with mates doesnt cut it, plenty of ways to do that.

AlnilamE

No

Going into Cyrodiil with a mixed alliance group is fun when you are going to get skyshards and such.

When we were limited by campaign, it was a nightmare to try and co-ordinate which campaign should be used by which faction, considering different people had PvP guilds that had different home campaigns/factions.

coop500

Yes

Yes, if for the sole reason of last week where a pissy AD guy got mad at me (I'm on AD too) for accidentally taking his kill and switched to EP and hunted me down to attack me, then when I actually won (OMG that hardly ever happens but he wasn't prepared for a WW since he had no poison) he came back a second time with a zerg of EP buddies, guildies no doubt. He ruined my evening all for a small mistake on my part that I even apologized for.

Dojohoda

No

No

starlizard70ub17_ESO

No

There is no solution to the large number of players who faction hop and emperor trade for AP. Because many players are in Cryodiil for one reason only, to grind AP anyway they can. And they don't care about the integrity of the campaigns.
But if you lock campaigns to 1 per account, you'd lose a lot of players in Cryodiil. If you had a campaign that didn't allow faction swapping, you won't even see 1 bar of population per faction in that campaign.

Samadhi

coop500 wrote: »

Yes, if for the sole reason of last week where a pissy AD guy got mad at me (I'm on AD too) for accidentally taking his kill and switched to EP and hunted me down to attack me, then when I actually won (OMG that hardly ever happens but he wasn't prepared for a WW since he had no poison) he came back a second time with a zerg of EP buddies, guildies no doubt. He ruined my evening all for a small mistake on my part that I even apologized for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOzYunVYZG4

only play one alliance and would not be impacted by this change

Enslaved

Yes

Yes. During the duration of the campaign, one should play only one alliance. That would be fair for all.

Spacemonkey

No

its already so complicated to play with friends in pvp.
alliances dont mean )@*@#

It should be you pick your home campaign AND faction (regardless of character)
and guest campaign AND faction (regardless of character)
that way I can play WITH friends regardless of choice of character done in creation that most new players have no clue what it does. This would lock down faction switching in campaigns but also make it so you dont NEED to faction switch. (aka, I wouldnt have to log on to my alt which is in DC to play with buddies, from my main in AD - id just pick the DC faction for the duration of the campaign - or they would just pick AD)

1T opened up PvE, when do we open up PvP?

coop500

Yes

Samadhi wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Yes, if for the sole reason of last week where a pissy AD guy got mad at me (I'm on AD too) for accidentally taking his kill and switched to EP and hunted me down to attack me, then when I actually won (OMG that hardly ever happens but he wasn't prepared for a WW since he had no poison) he came back a second time with a zerg of EP buddies, guildies no doubt. He ruined my evening all for a small mistake on my part that I even apologized for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOzYunVYZG4

only play one alliance and would not be impacted by this change

Technically I play two, AD on the EU side and EP on the NA side, but that wouldn't effect anyone since it's entirely different servers and it's because I'm too cheap to buy Any Race any Alliance twice

jaye63

No

I understand your position and mostly agree that alliance jumping is wrong. However, I had one Templar in each faction to farm the sewers for the faction motifs. While one faction dominates, I play that toon. When that switches, I switch faction so I dont lose the tel var for the runes. I didnt seek out PvP but it still found me. And when I get frustrated with PvP, I do something else like Fishing, questing or Skyshard hunting in Cyr. I do it away from the PvP. A lock would prevent me from doing casual stuff like that.

To accomodate both, I would suggest a no AP instance for what I just described and a lock for the other instances.

LeagueTroll

Yes

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

There is no solution to the large number of players who faction hop and emperor trade for AP. Because many players are in Cryodiil for one reason only, to grind AP anyway they can. And they don't care about the integrity of the campaigns.
But if you lock campaigns to 1 per account, you'd lose a lot of players in Cryodiil. If you had a campaign that didn't allow faction swapping, you won't even see 1 bar of population per faction in that campaign.

Not 1 campaign per account. 1 faction a campaign.

chris211

Yes

permanent account wide faction lock for pvp no loop holes want to play with you're "Friends" pick a single faction and stick to it

NyassaV

Missing an 'other' catagory, or an IDGAF one. My idea is to add an underdog passive to the faction with lower population, something small and helpful like extra AP gains

Marginis

No

Seems like a casual versus hardcore argument going on here. Perhaps we could have a hardcore campaign and a casual campaign, or have an instance of Cyrodiil that's not PVP? I know they don't wanna do that, but it seems like an agreeable solution to me.

Mayrael

Yes

Yes pls. I have seen to many abuses of current state. AP farming, whole guilds going into two alliances to stomp the third, spying zone chat to see where enemies will strike, scroll buging, scroll stealing and delivering it to enemies and probably many more...

Ranger209

Yes

Maybe its time to pull the any alliance any race out of the adventurer's pack and make that free. Then come up with something else to sell in the adventurer's pack. Then give a 1 time faction change for any character created prior to allowing that. Is it necessary to put that feature behind a pay wall? Would it be better for the game if it was not behind a pay wall. There are plenty of other things they sell to make cash in the crown store. Seems to fit with the One Tamriel play as you want theme. Then after all of this is done go for the faction lock per campaign in some form or another.

RobbieRocket

Spacemonkey wrote: »

its already so complicated to play with friends in pvp.
alliances dont mean )@*@#

It should be you pick your home campaign AND faction (regardless of character)
and guest campaign AND faction (regardless of character)
that way I can play WITH friends regardless of choice of character done in creation that most new players have no clue what it does. This would lock down faction switching in campaigns but also make it so you dont NEED to faction switch. (aka, I wouldnt have to log on to my alt which is in DC to play with buddies, from my main in AD - id just pick the DC faction for the duration of the campaign - or they would just pick AD)

1T opened up PvE, when do we open up PvP?

It's so hard to purchase ESO+?
Battlegrounds is Alliance free!

And the Alliances don't mean *** thing... is nothing to do with this. It's integrity, a lot of people want to play one group vs another and have a final result, swapping sides is bizarre and makes the war irrelevant and thus AP mean nothing but a version of XP in a free-for-all game mode. Imagine one player swapping sides part-way through a Battlegrounds match...

itscompton

Yes

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

There is no solution to the large number of players who faction hop and emperor trade for AP. Because many players are in Cryodiil for one reason only, to grind AP anyway they can. And they don't care about the integrity of the campaigns.
But if you lock campaigns to 1 per account, you'd lose a lot of players in Cryodiil. If you had a campaign that didn't allow faction swapping, you won't even see 1 bar of population per faction in that campaign.

Complete and utter BS. Campaigns used to be faction locked and there was a much larger PvP population that Pop Locked a 30 day, a 14 day, and a 7 day at the same time and also overflowed into lesser filled campaigns when that was the case. Indeed look at the poll numbers 70% of people would be happy for a faction lock and I'm sure the other 30% would eventually accept that they can't just switch to the winning team all the time because they feel entitled to winning. It absolutely sickens me to see people I fight against all the time suddenly on my side now that EP is on top in PS4 Vivec this month.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Yes

Multi-faction tryhards are the biggest cancer in PvP. Switching sides to their alts whenever it suits them. Realm pride is sorely needed.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

No

itscompton wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

There is no solution to the large number of players who faction hop and emperor trade for AP. Because many players are in Cryodiil for one reason only, to grind AP anyway they can. And they don't care about the integrity of the campaigns.
But if you lock campaigns to 1 per account, you'd lose a lot of players in Cryodiil. If you had a campaign that didn't allow faction swapping, you won't even see 1 bar of population per faction in that campaign.

Complete and utter BS. Campaigns used to be faction locked and there was a much larger PvP population that Pop Locked a 30 day, a 14 day, and a 7 day at the same time and also overflowed into lesser filled campaigns when that was the case. Indeed look at the poll numbers 70% of people would be happy for a faction lock and I'm sure the other 30% would eventually accept that they can't just switch to the winning team all the time because they feel entitled to winning. It absolutely sickens me to see people I fight against all the time suddenly on my side now that EP is on top in PS4 Vivec this month.

That was then, this is now. When campaigns used to be faction locked, 2 years or so ago, players left PvP due to lag, game crashing, really broken and unbalanced classes, etc. A large portion of the players left now, wouldn't put up with a faction lock. They'd just go find something else to do judging by many of the comments above.

Luckylancer

Yes

People state little reasons for "no". Ap grinders are plague for everyone. They use pvp as tool. There are other ways to abuse this, hunting other players, spying, cheaty way in to keeps, change to winning side etc.

All my toons are dc. When dc lose, I must go another server or try harder to win. Other people can change toons. This dooms losing sides and kills the fun of pvp. They can play other toons in other champaigns but switching players are preventing winning by hard work.

There are enough servers for everyone. People can play with their friends with guest servers, they wont care leader boards cause they are casuals arent they? "No" sides areguments are weak and meaningless.

Nebbles

Yes

Faction lock, AP/rank gains on only one faction or whatever solution. Right now, the whole spirit of AvA is non existent. So many faction hoppers, scroll abusers, AP traders etc. etc. etc. Its a mess. Factions mean nothing right now which to me is astonishing as I thought that was the basis for the whole AvA. It really lessens my desire to play.

leeux

Yes

Yes, I'd be totally in favor of that.

If you play Vivec, the faction flipping is a thing that you can see happening there... if you're observant.

Emptysev3n

Yes

Faction lock is a must for the sake of the game-type. Actual loyalty and passion for your side will give Cyrodiil more of a purpose outside of AP grind, especially if ZOS adds incentives to support your faction, such as Faction specific items/gear. Sort of like a loyalty bonus for consecutive times committed to a certain faction for the entire duration of the campaign. (Just an idea). There is no real basic point in participating in a war if you are fighting for both sides.

Controversially, the convenience for the casual player and playing with friends or guild-mates would be hindered, that makes sense. Some people want to pop-in and pop-out and those folks are a majority of the population. The PvE crowd is larger than the PvP crowd for sure.

But I think a specific or two campaign(s) that is a faction locked choice for hardcore players would be beneficial for everyone.

It would make the game much more immersive in my opinion. Who knows it could lead to PvE guilds/RP guilds having more context to work with in their world, especially if there are rewards.

Just a thought - thanks everyone

Tarrocan

Yes

Simply a must!!!

Dr_Rektar

PVP need no lag

Dr_Rektar

eu vivec, booted from server 4 times in 1 hour, 6 time so far today. I want that fixed first

geonsocal

No

itscompton wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

There is no solution to the large number of players who faction hop and emperor trade for AP. Because many players are in Cryodiil for one reason only, to grind AP anyway they can. And they don't care about the integrity of the campaigns.
But if you lock campaigns to 1 per account, you'd lose a lot of players in Cryodiil. If you had a campaign that didn't allow faction swapping, you won't even see 1 bar of population per faction in that campaign.

It absolutely sickens me to see people I fight against all the time suddenly on my side now that EP is on top in PS4 Vivec this month.

maybe the reason EP is in front at the moment is because of the players whom switched to red...

seeing how EP has won a whopping 2 campaigns over the last 2 years in vivec/scourge - i would think EP loyalists would be delighted to get some extra help from super AP farmers like gooch...haven't checked the leaderboards recently to see what other "notable" players are going with EP at the moment...

hopefully EP can keep it together for the whole 30 days and get on a nice little campaign run themselves...

the change of pace would be nice for sure...