Pvp need campaign faction lock?

CapuchinSeven

Yes

Marginis wrote: »

counterpoint: pvp is a competitive part of the game and DOES NOT need a lock on faction swapping. just because some people are cheaters, you want to ban everyone from playing who they want, when they want.

dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. You did say you were gone.

Goodness, someone is a grump.
Get it all out kiddo, don't let it build up inside.

Around and around we go,

Me - "a temporary faction time out, even a short one, would help with a number of issues with PVP"
You - "YOU WANT TO BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING WHO THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT" (note, this is a direct quote from above not hyperbole).

The modern world ladies and gentlemen.

LeagueTroll

Yes

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

counterpoint: pvp is a competitive part of the game and DOES NOT need a lock on faction swapping. just because some people are cheaters, you want to ban everyone from playing who they want, when they want.

dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. You did say you were gone.

Goodness, someone is a grump.
Get it all out kiddo, don't let it build up inside.

Around and around we go,

Me - "a temporary faction time out, even a short one, would help with a number of issues with PVP"
You - "YOU WANT TO BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING WHO THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT" (note, this is a direct quote from above not hyperbole).

The modern world ladies and gentlemen.

This thread seems triggered quite a few ap farmers

Beardimus

Yes

Yes again to locking. The more I PvP the more mis-use I see. Lock em up ZOS, at least on the lower pop camps till a better solution is born

CapuchinSeven

Yes

LeagueTroll wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

counterpoint: pvp is a competitive part of the game and DOES NOT need a lock on faction swapping. just because some people are cheaters, you want to ban everyone from playing who they want, when they want.

dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. You did say you were gone.

Goodness, someone is a grump.
Get it all out kiddo, don't let it build up inside.

Around and around we go,

Me - "a temporary faction time out, even a short one, would help with a number of issues with PVP"
You - "YOU WANT TO BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING WHO THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT" (note, this is a direct quote from above not hyperbole).

The modern world ladies and gentlemen.

This thread seems triggered quite a few ap farmers

I did wonder but didn't want to out rightly say the same thing.
There seems to be a small number of overly aggressive posters very much against even the shortest of timeouts.

exiars10

Yes

I fully support total LOCKDOWN for campaign time.

But I want to play with my friends... Then all of you join the same side in the same campaign. Problem solved.

This abuse switching need to be finally stopped forever.

red_emu

No

I think the whole Alliance thing should be reworked.

Remove the alliance thing lock all together and make it a starting zone only.

Then when your character joins PvP for the first time since campaign started you get asked which alliance would you like to choose for the duration of the campaign (affects all characters). That way, it doesn't matter if you make one character in EP or AD. You lock all characters to one faction. I think that way it would be more interesting. For example, I mainly play AD (99% of the time) but since I have my only MagPlar in EP, he doesn't come out of the box at all these days. With this idea, I could log in on any character after the campaign starts and choose AD or DC, making all my characters fight for that alliance in this campaign and then maybe switch it up next time or have all characters fight for AD in non-CP and DC in CP-enabled.

Some people might think this could break immersion, but at the end of the day, we are more mercenaries than anything in this game, so it would fit right in. Pick an alliance for the campaign across the board and next time maybe try and make friends in another alliance.

That way alliance hopping wouldn't be a thing anymore and would give you more options to play with and in a sense make your choice more meaningful and varied since you will have all your characters to play with.

lostcloud

Two nights ago during oceanic primetime DC had all of the scrolls, EP's & AD's. We capped ash with an EP scroll in it couldn't yet touch it, so the push went on to regain our scrolls which we did. Shortly after our fist scroll was returned the EP scroll in ash was picked up by an AD player (EP on an AD alt) who promptly walked out of the keep to his EP mates who were waiting and was killed. The EP scroll made its way back to its temple, at the time we just shrugged our shoulders and said it is what it is, scrolls are not worth that much but its a pretty low way to get a scroll back. Vivec PC NA btw.

So I guess if you were faction locked to a campaign this wouldn't happen but then there are so few choices of campaign's now, what is to be done for those who like to play with the winning side I mean play multiple factions.

Ranger209

Yes

red_emu wrote: »

I think the whole Alliance thing should be reworked.

Remove the alliance thing lock all together and make it a starting zone only.

Then when your character joins PvP for the first time since campaign started you get asked which alliance would you like to choose for the duration of the campaign (affects all characters). That way, it doesn't matter if you make one character in EP or AD. You lock all characters to one faction. I think that way it would be more interesting. For example, I mainly play AD (99% of the time) but since I have my only MagPlar in EP, he doesn't come out of the box at all these days. With this idea, I could log in on any character after the campaign starts and choose AD or DC, making all my characters fight for that alliance in this campaign and then maybe switch it up next time or have all characters fight for AD in non-CP and DC in CP-enabled.

Some people might think this could break immersion, but at the end of the day, we are more mercenaries than anything in this game, so it would fit right in. Pick an alliance for the campaign across the board and next time maybe try and make friends in another alliance.

That way alliance hopping wouldn't be a thing anymore and would give you more options to play with and in a sense make your choice more meaningful and varied since you will have all your characters to play with.

Someone gets it.

geonsocal

No

red_emu wrote: »

I think the whole Alliance thing should be reworked.

Remove the alliance thing lock all together and make it a starting zone only.

Then when your character joins PvP for the first time since campaign started you get asked which alliance would you like to choose for the duration of the campaign (affects all characters). That way, it doesn't matter if you make one character in EP or AD. You lock all characters to one faction. I think that way it would be more interesting. For example, I mainly play AD (99% of the time) but since I have my only MagPlar in EP, he doesn't come out of the box at all these days. With this idea, I could log in on any character after the campaign starts and choose AD or DC, making all my characters fight for that alliance in this campaign and then maybe switch it up next time or have all characters fight for AD in non-CP and DC in CP-enabled.

Some people might think this could break immersion, but at the end of the day, we are more mercenaries than anything in this game, so it would fit right in. Pick an alliance for the campaign across the board and next time maybe try and make friends in another alliance.

That way alliance hopping wouldn't be a thing anymore and would give you more options to play with and in a sense make your choice more meaningful and varied since you will have all your characters to play with.

way to think out the box...

I think this is a good idea...

CapuchinSeven

Yes

...that's literally a faction lock for the entire run of the campaign (so worse than some of the ideas where that were shouted down because "I R WNT 2 PLAYZ WIH FRIENDSZ" and yet people voting no are suddenly acting like it's a great idea...

These forums.

geonsocal

No

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

...that's literally a faction lock for the entire run of the campaign (so worse than some of the ideas where that were shouted down because "I R WNT 2 PLAYZ WIH FRIENDSZ" and yet people voting no are suddenly acting like it's a great idea...

These forums.

hahahahahahahahahaha....i'll tell ya @CapuchinSeven , for myself personally - when I was one of the few folks whom was faction hopping it was all good...

fast forward a year and a half or so later and now there are a whole lotta folks doing it, yeah - i'm growing less and less enamored with the situation...

the whole faction thing doesn't mean a lot to me - but, cyrodiil was more fun when faction loyalty meant more to everyone else...

then again, seems these days that a lot of the people who were playing when I first got in have moved on to other games...

not sure that campaign faction lock is a genie that can go back in the bottle...

Slick_007

No

LeagueTroll wrote: »

This thread seems triggered quite a few ap farmers

im not an AP farmer. i dont spend a lot of time in cyrodiil. but you guys want to tell me who i can and cant play in there.

heres an example of why i swap toons: skyshards. yes, you know the ones. i login to cyrodil and find a gate or two open that my alt needs. if you had your way, i couldnt swap and go get them.

Its not upto you to decide who can and cant swap toons in there or when. If you think you are important enough to make that demand, go play a single player game where it will be true and stop telling others here what they can and cant do.

CapuchinSeven

Yes

Slick_007 wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

This thread seems triggered quite a few ap farmers

im not an AP farmer. i dont spend a lot of time in cyrodiil. but you guys want to tell me who i can and cant play in there.

literally no one has said that. Not a single idea here posted by either side of the debate will do that.

Slick_007 wrote: »

heres an example of why i swap toons: skyshards. yes, you know the ones. i login to cyrodil and find a gate or two open that my alt needs. if you had your way, i couldnt swap and go get them.

Which you could still do.

Ranger209

Yes

Ranger209 wrote: »

Dutchessx wrote: »

I disagree with locking campaigns and almost all of my toons are EP, my 1 DC is storage and my 1 AD I am working to gear out as a pve healer so I don't have to use my main pvp Templar for pve. So here are some hypothetical situations:
What if I decide I want to run solo for a bit on her but I only play no-cp? Or if I want to play only cp and my mains are on Vivec and Shor? Where do I take my Templar?
Now what if I decide I want to play my DC which is a sorc? And I play only CP on my mains so I am on Vivec and Shor for EP, AD would be stuck Sotha Sil and I can go no where on my DC.
Say I do what is listed above and one of the pvp guilds that I play in mostly or my only pvp guild I am in decide to home Sotha because Sotha needs EP (shameless plug for Sotha lol). However, I can't get in because my AD is homed there. Now my guild is down a healer and good healers are hard to find. What do I do?

You are looking at it as if being implemented with the way things currently are. Which they could do. However, I envision it being implemented somewhat like how One Tamriel changed pve. The only thing selecting a faction at character creation would do is give you a starting city and faction for the main quest line.

As far as campaign pvp goes it could be done so that when you go to select a campaign, say Vivec, you are provided an option as to which alliance you want to fight for. All of your toons that qualify by level, regardless of their faction affiliation, are now committed to playing that faction on that campaign for the duration. When the campaign completes if you are still in it you will receive a message telling you to leave the campaign and select a new alliance for the next block of time. If you don't leave within the 30 minutes all of you characters will be bound to that alliance for that campaign again for the duration. If you exit the campaign, or were not in the campaign when it expired, you will be presented with the same option of selecting an alliance for that campaign as before. Change to what you like. All of your toons are now bound to that campaign for the duration.

You may select a different alliance on Sotha Sil from the one you selected on Vivec. So maybe one server you play with your guild, and another server you play with friends. It allows the flexibility to have all of your characters, regardless of alliance, fight for whichever alliance you choose per server, per campaign duration. So you could play for all 3 alliances at any given point in time across multiple server platforms. And when a campaign completes you can change your alliance on each server to something else.

This way loyalist pvp guilds don't have their campaign scores skewed by alliance flippers. Entire guilds can also swap alliance if say EP got blown out this campaign they can change to red from blue or yellow for the next 30 days. You can play with your friends on the 7 day server, or the non CP server, or the CP server, whatever works best for your group with all of their other commitments guild-wise or persona-wise. But you are committed to that alliance for the duration of each individual campaign.

Same concept from 6 months ago, let's explore how this could work.

ofSunhold

No

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

I like the timer idea but faction swapping should be limited in some capacity.

Its called Loyalty people pick a side and fight....

Its beyond loyalty at this point, some people don't even play the objectives. The reason DC has won so many campaigns on PC NA is that all the multi-faction ball group no-skill noob farmers are on EP or AD or both. All the while, loosely associated DC pugs take keep after keep, resource after resource and keep the Alliance score up.

Take a look some time and the AP gained discrepancy between EP/AD and DC. DC will have more campaign points but the emperor leaderboard for AD/EP will show a huge gap in AP gained over DC when looking at the top AP gainers.

This is because while running around in a no-skill blobspam group may give you a ton of AP, it doesn't win campaigns. I'm fine with that. Let the blobspammers farm, I'll take my first place campaign rewards on all my DC toons when the campaign ends.

Swaggerfall Brovenant for life. Down with multi-faction blobspam cancer .

Vivec is a mind-blower these days. I can't tell if people are just that bored with the "war" or just that greedy for AP, but there is a whole lot of "Wtf are they even doing?" going on.

No comment on the highest-profile AD-and-EP players except this: don't make their dbaggery my problem. I can function just fine playing more than one faction, and with only two campaigns with any action, I'm going to keep doing that.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Yes

ofSunhold wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

I like the timer idea but faction swapping should be limited in some capacity.

Its called Loyalty people pick a side and fight....

Its beyond loyalty at this point, some people don't even play the objectives. The reason DC has won so many campaigns on PC NA is that all the multi-faction ball group no-skill noob farmers are on EP or AD or both. All the while, loosely associated DC pugs take keep after keep, resource after resource and keep the Alliance score up.

Take a look some time and the AP gained discrepancy between EP/AD and DC. DC will have more campaign points but the emperor leaderboard for AD/EP will show a huge gap in AP gained over DC when looking at the top AP gainers.

This is because while running around in a no-skill blobspam group may give you a ton of AP, it doesn't win campaigns. I'm fine with that. Let the blobspammers farm, I'll take my first place campaign rewards on all my DC toons when the campaign ends.

Swaggerfall Brovenant for life. Down with multi-faction blobspam cancer .

Vivec is a mind-blower these days. I can't tell if people are just that bored with the "war" or just that greedy for AP, but there is a whole lot of "Wtf are they even doing?" going on.

No comment on the highest-profile AD-and-EP players except this: don't make their dbaggery my problem. I can function just fine playing more than one faction, and with only two campaigns with any action, I'm going to keep doing that.

The D-baggery in this community is everybody's problem. Then, on top of that, we worship players that were known cheat engine users. It's like no one has any respect for the game anymore and I find it hard to blame them.

ofSunhold

No

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ofSunhold wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

I like the timer idea but faction swapping should be limited in some capacity.

Its called Loyalty people pick a side and fight....

Its beyond loyalty at this point, some people don't even play the objectives. The reason DC has won so many campaigns on PC NA is that all the multi-faction ball group no-skill noob farmers are on EP or AD or both. All the while, loosely associated DC pugs take keep after keep, resource after resource and keep the Alliance score up.

Take a look some time and the AP gained discrepancy between EP/AD and DC. DC will have more campaign points but the emperor leaderboard for AD/EP will show a huge gap in AP gained over DC when looking at the top AP gainers.

This is because while running around in a no-skill blobspam group may give you a ton of AP, it doesn't win campaigns. I'm fine with that. Let the blobspammers farm, I'll take my first place campaign rewards on all my DC toons when the campaign ends.

Swaggerfall Brovenant for life. Down with multi-faction blobspam cancer .

Vivec is a mind-blower these days. I can't tell if people are just that bored with the "war" or just that greedy for AP, but there is a whole lot of "Wtf are they even doing?" going on.

No comment on the highest-profile AD-and-EP players except this: don't make their dbaggery my problem. I can function just fine playing more than one faction, and with only two campaigns with any action, I'm going to keep doing that.

The D-baggery in this community is everybody's problem. Then, on top of that, we worship players that were known cheat engine users. It's like no one has any respect for the game anymore and I find it hard to blame them.

I'll agree it's not too surprising people give up entirely on campaign objectives and just do whatever is fun. But you're hard up against human nature there, and it can't be changed by making more rules.

LanceFoxMcCloud

Yes

Yes, because I am absolutely tired of being in the situation where our faction begins to "turn the tables" in the war, only to suddenly be run down by players that you were litterally just fighting alongside who group hopped to another faction. Completely blows any pvp integrity there could be.
This is the equivalent of playing a team death match in CoD or Halo with the ability to "switch" to the winning team at any given time.... don't think many people would play if it were that way. So why is ZoS forcing us to accept it?
Wanna play with your buddies? Well, if your such good friends, get on the same team like every other pvp game there is.

LeagueTroll

Yes

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ofSunhold wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

I like the timer idea but faction swapping should be limited in some capacity.

Its called Loyalty people pick a side and fight....

Its beyond loyalty at this point, some people don't even play the objectives. The reason DC has won so many campaigns on PC NA is that all the multi-faction ball group no-skill noob farmers are on EP or AD or both. All the while, loosely associated DC pugs take keep after keep, resource after resource and keep the Alliance score up.

Take a look some time and the AP gained discrepancy between EP/AD and DC. DC will have more campaign points but the emperor leaderboard for AD/EP will show a huge gap in AP gained over DC when looking at the top AP gainers.

This is because while running around in a no-skill blobspam group may give you a ton of AP, it doesn't win campaigns. I'm fine with that. Let the blobspammers farm, I'll take my first place campaign rewards on all my DC toons when the campaign ends.

Swaggerfall Brovenant for life. Down with multi-faction blobspam cancer .

Vivec is a mind-blower these days. I can't tell if people are just that bored with the "war" or just that greedy for AP, but there is a whole lot of "Wtf are they even doing?" going on.

No comment on the highest-profile AD-and-EP players except this: don't make their dbaggery my problem. I can function just fine playing more than one faction, and with only two campaigns with any action, I'm going to keep doing that.

The D-baggery in this community is everybody's problem. Then, on top of that, we worship players that were known cheat engine users. It's like no one has any respect for the game anymore and I find it hard to blame them.

Yeah, zos perma ban pve exploits but not perma ban cheaters. I mean I don’t really give a crap about other ppl’s pve progression.

SugaComa

Yes

Marginis wrote: »

I do not think faction locks - locking your entire account to one faction - would stop people from playing with friends. What I do think, is that faction locking accounts, for any amount of time, will be a cause of severe annoyance and frustration for non-PVPers in addition to the people who take advantage of being able to play multiple factions by switching characters. I do not think that the trade-off is worth it. As I see it, the problem faction locks would solve is, relative to the whole game, quite minor, and the problems they would cause, relative to the problem they would solve, are quite major.

Sorry I don't get this ...

What the hell has none PvP players got to do with faction locking a PvP zone ?

Moosey27

Yes

I think diminishing return will work best, so you can still switch factions, but it will reset you alliance tier level to zero, switch again it's -250,00 AP caps out at a -1,000,000 AP, and you would have to work much harder for tier rewards. You can still switch, but there is punishment for doing so.

Feiru

Yes

Yes. There's two reasons I agree that it should exist in the long campagne.

1) People simply swap to the "winning" faction on the leaderboard giving them a free ride to rewards. Yes, the player rewards levels will be based on activity but the basic faction win will still reap benefits..which they did not earn nor did they help to achieve.

2) Swapping factions back to back is for the most part used for negative things such as griefing, trolling zone chats or players, harassment, pop locking, etc. Not saying there aren't the very few random people out there that don't exploit the heck out of this, but for the most part that is exactly why people reroll alt faction in pvp.

Also, it devalues the entire idea behind factions in my opinion. What is even the point of having three factions if none are seperated? Cross faction players may as well be faithless dogs to me. If you like the idea of player vs player with anyone then queue for a battleground!

Moosey27

Yes

Even better yet faction lock the campaign, and then make them buy token to swap faction. I think 20 bucks is a fair price. It's a win win.

Iskras

Yes

Penalty time to relog in another faction: 60 minutes or more.

Carpe-Veritatem

Yes

Faction locking by account on a campaign by campaign basis is a no brainer IMO. All the corruption that could be removed! Faction hopping to crown an emperor on a blue toon, then back to red to dethrone and get all that AP. Literally altering the outcomes of hard fought 30 day campaigns by jumping over with a massive guild group and running the map on behalf of a faction. The corrupt practice of selling Emps for a million gold...something that should be a violation of the games TOS...by offering a large guild to come to ya server for a few hours to run the map and get ya crown. This was being done on Shor and other smaller servers. All accounts should be able to go to any faction in Cyrradiil. Just choose a side and stay there for the campaigns duration. Wanna switch afterwards? Go for it! Just lock into a different one if ya like. Again, it's a no brainer.

Crom_CCCXVI

Yes

The people who really like PvP, the serious gamers or whatever we are have been asking for this since ZOS took it away?

Is there a reason you can't give us just one faction locked campaign? (14 day, perfect btw)

Beardimus

Yes

Somethings coming or at least being thought about @Crom_CCCXVI, in @ZOS_BrianWheeler s PVP update thread he mentions something is being thought about.

Finally

Crom_CCCXVI

Yes

"seeing how EP has won a whopping 2 campaigns over the last 2 years in vivec"

BTW quit going into Vivec to try to win campaign in since December when AD pulled the, group up under a red leader take the group in... but everyone is on yellow and it fills the red Q

Sharee

Yes

Actually, nevermind.

AllPlayAndNoWork

Yes

I voted a big phat yes.

But as a compromise I would take a 48hr faction lock for a 30 day campaign. See how it pans out.