Unkillable Tank Build?

Desmuu

Hi all, I've seen this type of thing happen a few times in Cyrodiil where a 1H/Shield user is literally unkillable and can tank out 15+ players damage. That being said they did little damage themselves but jeeeeez they're unkillable. What's that build anyways? I'm curious and would like to give it a try.

LordSemaj

Read this. Should explain.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268389/a-message-from-zazeer-hacking

Desmuu

LordSemaj wrote: »

Read this. Should explain.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268389/a-message-from-zazeer-hacking

Interesting. Are there any builds currently floating around that are just basically super duper tanky focused?

Ohhgrizyyy

LordSemaj wrote: »

Read this. Should explain.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268389/a-message-from-zazeer-hacking

Or maybe he was running a cancer tank build? People are so quick to assume hacks and it's really not the case. There's just alot of cancer builds running around in Cyrodiil and alot of bad players who don't know how to deal with them.

Girl_Number8

It was a tanky. They can't do damage, so beyond some strategic uses I don't see why plp even care. Nothing is unkillable, smh.

I find most of these posts are created by zerglings.

Taylor_MB

The big red flag in that thread you linked is claiming CE can get past global cooldown, it cannot. Global cooldown has always been server side, CE can only change things client side.

Have to agree with @Girl_Number8 too many people with little game knowledge immediately call hacks.

Unfadingsilence

Everyone can be killed but there are those builds that are borderline broken for tanks in pvp

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Devil Grip/video/40044235

VaranisArano

The best part about the truly unkillable tanks is putting your weapons away and rubbing it in their face that they can't kill you.

Okay, now for the practical advice.

Light Attacks, Bash, and Interrupt. Those are your friends against a truly unkillable tank. Light attacks do constant damage that don't cost you anything and with the right CP you'll be decreasing his/her resources. You'll also be building your ultimate - these tanks are free ulti gen, might as well use it. If you successfully bash and interrupt them, you momentarily stop whatever they were doing to mitigate all that damage and you'll see all that incoming damage really start to hit home.

So don't jump in and whale on the tank. That's what they're built to deal with. A flurry of light attacks from everyone or bashing/interrupting so that other source of damage start to bite takes down those "unkillable" tanks faster than you'd think.

So 15+ players failing to take down a tank is 15+ players who were either regenerating their ultimate on a free target or 15+ players who need to learn how to deal with tanks. Using proper tactics, not just whaling away wildly, those tank builds go down in short order.

DoctorESO

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Maura_Neysa

I don't know that my tank counts as unkillable. I'm and Altmer Warden, not an Argon: an DK, but I have many time tanked 15+ people.

As for how to build it, everything in to block cost reduction first, then damage mitigation. You will need high magic recovery and all magic skills. You'll be relying on your own heals, and 90% of the time when you die, it will be because you ran out of stamina. I do it on a Warden in part because I love the Warden and in part because I bring offence to the table in the form of a lot of CC. DKS are even tanker but don't have the same level of cc IMO. I use 3 Frost DOTS which have a good chances to proc Chilled which can proc Deep Freeze (icicles at you feet) plus I have the Permafrost utti which has a stun.

As for the counter @VaranisArano was right. The key is DOTS, they can't be blocked so they aren't getting that 60%+ damage reduction from block. Constant pressure is the next point, make every ×4 a second block cost tick. Regen poisons and Siphoner Star are also important, as I said before the thing that will kill a tank is running them out of stamina. No more stamina means no more block which means all your power skills like Frags, Birds, Reverse Slice are no longer going to be 60%+ mitigated, and that level of damage can only be out healed.

Notes: I say Block mitigation at 60%+ because base is 50% and I run 20% from S&B or Frost Passive and lmpem, which is 60% I'm not sure what the actual Block Damage Reduction cap is and if there even is other sources, just that at least 60% is possible.

I do occasionally kill people but its usually from burning of there stamina so they are stuck in my Dots... Its a slow death. LOL

Durham

You block bots have ruined a great PVP class.. now the only thing a DK is good for is cannon fodder...

Please build something constructive..

SydneyGrey

I've come across an unkillable tank build in PvP, too. Basically, ignore them. They usually can't be killed, but usually can't do you any real damage, either. Just ride on past and don't waste your time with them.

paulsimonps

Were they a threat to you? If not then no problem. If they were then either you faced a cheater or you got other things to worry about than others builds if a permablocker actually poses a threat to you.

Girl_Number8

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Everyone can be killed but there are those builds that are borderline broken for tanks in pvp

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Devil Grip/video/40044235

Lol, he plays sorcy more now and those were potatoes.

Hint: do u see them all dying? no u don't. they are just whacking away like good little zerglings w/o even using the simple skills needed to end it quickly.

More players are bad then great....

Btw he was one shot by a nb, shld they be nerfed as being OP? I mean since it seems most people are too lazy to put the time into their builds, they come crying here for nerfs saying it's cancer when their laziness and whining is the real cancer of this game.

thedude33

The fallacy of the typical cliched response to fighting an 'unkillable' tank. ..."leave him be, you can't hurt him and he can't hurt you". When in fact he most definitely can hurt you. Which is why there have been so many posts talking about it.

montiferus

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Everyone can be killed but there are those builds that are borderline broken for tanks in pvp

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Devil Grip/video/40044235

It’s funny I saw this thread an immediately thought of that turd. Can’t stand his tank play style.

The best is when he isn’t on his tank and it takes about 5 seconds to kill him.

montiferus

Durham wrote: »

You block bots have ruined a great PVP class.. now the only thing a DK is good for is cannon fodder...

Please build something constructive..

This times 1000

VaranisArano

thedude33 wrote: »

The fallacy of the typical cliched response to fighting an 'unkillable' tank. ..."leave him be, you can't hurt him and he can't hurt you". When in fact he most definitely can hurt you. Which is why there have been so many posts talking about it.

If that tank is hurting you, you didn't leave him be, now did you?

In Cyrodiil, you absolutely do have the option to walk on by or if you are going to fight the tank, don't do it like an idiot. Bad players get in range of a tank's burst skills or let the tank LOS you into splitting into managable size groups, or try to go mano-a-mano against a tank who's considerably better in a stand-up fight than they are.

If you are going to 1vX a tank in Cyrodiil, do it smart. Bash/block/interrupt or sap their resources with poisons/Siphoner light attacks. That's the sort of tactics that wreck even a bursty tank's ability to mitigate damage and then your X damage from the 1vX will be effective.

Whether its a bursty tank with actual damage or a tank with all mitigation no damage aside from his ultimate, if you fight smart, that tank is going fail at 1vXing in short order.

thedude33

VaranisArano wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

The fallacy of the typical cliched response to fighting an 'unkillable' tank. ..."leave him be, you can't hurt him and he can't hurt you". When in fact he most definitely can hurt you. Which is why there have been so many posts talking about it.

If that tank is hurting you, you didn't leave him be, now did you?

The best part about the truly unkillable tanks is putting your weapons away and rubbing it in their face that they can't kill you..

So which is it ...put your weapons away because they can't kill you or leave them be because they can kill you ?

Desmuu

So like what's the build? Lol.

VaranisArano

thedude33 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

The fallacy of the typical cliched response to fighting an 'unkillable' tank. ..."leave him be, you can't hurt him and he can't hurt you". When in fact he most definitely can hurt you. Which is why there have been so many posts talking about it.

If that tank is hurting you, you didn't leave him be, now did you?

The best part about the truly unkillable tanks is putting your weapons away and rubbing it in their face that they can't kill you..

So which is it ...put your weapons away because they can't kill you or leave them be because they can kill you ?

Alright, you need specifics? (More than we've talked about on your other thread anyway...)

Fine. When I'm dealing with someone that I see that I can't kill quickly but that also is not damaging me in return, yeah, I can put my weapons away and walk around. Those builds rely on generating ultimate and as long as I'm not stupid they won't kill me. Those build are no danger and are pretty safe to ignore and move on.

If I'm dealing with a bursty tank that I can't kill with my warden, I leave them alone as long as I am alone because I dislike being farmed. Please note, that's due more to my level of skill as a player than it is anything about that tank and is true whether I'm dealing with a bursty tank or a nightblade ganker. I've never claimed to be a 1v1 champion. Most of my experience in PVP is organized raiding and objective-based PVP. Why should I stick around to get farmed by a player of greater skill level no matter the playstyle if I'm not in the mood for it? I play for objectives, not to win every fight I get in.

If I'm dealing with a 1vXer, who come in both types - the unkillable but no damage tank and the bursty tank - and I'm part of the X, the appropriate response is not to try to unload all my skills on that tank. Light attacks, bash, and interrupt are the most efficient way to bring down a 1vXer of either type.

Since the OP is specifically talking about 1vXers, my advice is geared towards dealing with those types of players. Again, you seem determined to argue that I should have huge problems dealing with bursty tanks when I really don't? Either I kill them with my skill level or I don't, and that doesn't bother me. I don't have problems with 1vXers at all because I don't play stupid.

thedude33

I don't fight them either. Was just commenting on what the OP talked about

EdmundTowers

Guys, op wasn't asking for advice on how to fight tanks or crying about a tank not dying. He was asking for a build so he can be that tank....

DoctorESO

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Maura_Neysa

What PvP tanking should look like. Not dying isn't the objective, being a pain in the * $$ is.


https://youtu.be/a1maQEIHflM

https://youtu.be/Lipc4O9qgr8

SugaComa

LordSemaj wrote: »

Read this. Should explain.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268389/a-message-from-zazeer-hacking

Doesn't explain how it happens in console

arkansas_ESO

The 'trick' to permatanking like that is stacking as much block cost reduction as possible. 7 sturdy+sturdy shield, 3 shieldplay enchants, sword and shield with Defensive Posture slotted, etc. You probably want to go DK for Battle Roar and the increase to damage blocked and healing received, but other classes can tank too. It's really no different than PVE tanking.

Sets are flexible. Desert Rose is good for magic sustain, Reactive is good for survivability, Werewolf Hide is good for ulti regen, Seventh is good for healing since it (until next patch) has no cooldown, Durok's is good for utility, Varen's Legacy is good on a magic DK with Inhale. I'm sure I missed some, but you get the point. You've got options.

DoctorESO

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ThulsaDoomDC

Durham wrote: »

You block bots have ruined a great PVP class.. now the only thing a DK is good for is cannon fodder...

Please build something constructive..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mls5N1ODNk&lc=z22zc5sbeyqryrgvgacdp430qghty2ztgbet4vcuof5w03c010c

I respectfully disagree

CompM4s

Usually you can ignore one of those super tanky builds, but when they guard a healer that keeps the group alive or the glass cannon, thats when those tank builds shine in group play.

eliisra

CompM4s wrote: »

Usually you can ignore one of those super tanky builds, but when they guard a healer that keeps the group alive or the glass cannon, thats when those tank builds shine in group play.

I don't think they're particularly good at that either tbh. They don't have the resource management required, to peel or keep enemies away from healer or glass cannons. Most their cost reduction goes into blocking.

If I'm healing, I'm rather teamed up with a solid stamina build that's able to but high pressure on the enemies(or kill them) that's coming for me. Some beefy dude standing next to me blocking and occasionally dropping talons or whatever, is really not the most helpful thing out there lol.

It's probably really amusing to play "unkillable" tank in PvP though(even if kinda useless). Obviously everyone dies eventually, but before that when facetanking 10+ ppl I'm sure it's crazy fun. I can only imagine all the salty whispers and rage they're getting.