PTS Update 17 - Feedback Thread for Item Sets, Monster Masks & General Itemization

OdinForge

DKsUnite wrote: »

Zerglings everywhere are rejoicing.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

DKsUnite wrote: »

This was the result of excellent gameplay from your killer. He must have mastered every detail there is in dueling to pull that off surely.

Nibelaja

3,6k single target dps from a monster set... Mag dks gonna love it

Make2k15

Savos_Saren wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Zaan (Monster)
Spell Critical
When you deal Critical Damage with a Light or Heavy Attack to a nearby enemy, a beam of fire will connect you to your enemy. The beam deals 3440 Flame Damage every 1 second for 5 seconds. Every second, this damage increases by 50%. The beam is broken if the enemy moves 10 meters away from you. This effect can occur every 15 seconds.

Noone at ZOS did the math on this set I assume???

34400 or 45365 damage proc over 5 seconds before cp modifiers (depending on calculation method)

That’s if the enemy stands within 10meters of you (almost a roll dodge away) for 5 seconds... and if you’re light/heavy attacking enemies within melee range with a staff. This set is kinda wonky, honestly.

It’ll probably be ignored and people will continue to use Valkyn, Grothdar, or Slimecraw.

Right, I think if this goes to live as it is now it will be probably a BIS in many PVE builds It did 3.5k dps to test dummy in my quick test (9.5% of total dmg). You might think that the relatively short 10m radius is a bad thing for ranged dd, but actually the good thing about that is that you can time when the proc happens (e.g. to burst down a mob) by first doing dmg farther away and then come closer than 10m for 5 sec to do the burst dmg when needed (one proc did 50k dmg).

goldenarcher1

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Curse of Doylemish (Heavy)
(2) Max Health
(3) Max Health
(4) Spell Damage
(4) Weapon Damage
(5) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

Now if this was a medium stamina set.....

I'm not sure who wants a tanking pure DPS set, or why the many melee range DPS sets already in existence wouldn't suffice if they do.

I was looking at it from a pvp bow-gank perspective.

Stamden

Make2k15 wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Zaan (Monster)
Spell Critical
When you deal Critical Damage with a Light or Heavy Attack to a nearby enemy, a beam of fire will connect you to your enemy. The beam deals 3440 Flame Damage every 1 second for 5 seconds. Every second, this damage increases by 50%. The beam is broken if the enemy moves 10 meters away from you. This effect can occur every 15 seconds.

Noone at ZOS did the math on this set I assume???

34400 or 45365 damage proc over 5 seconds before cp modifiers (depending on calculation method)

That’s if the enemy stands within 10meters of you (almost a roll dodge away) for 5 seconds... and if you’re light/heavy attacking enemies within melee range with a staff. This set is kinda wonky, honestly.

It’ll probably be ignored and people will continue to use Valkyn, Grothdar, or Slimecraw.

Right, I think if this goes to live as it is now it will be probably a BIS in many PVE builds It did 3.5k dps to test dummy in my quick test (9.5% of total dmg). You might think that the relatively short 10m radius is a bad thing for ranged dd, but actually the good thing about that is that you can time when the proc happens (e.g. to burst down a mob) by first doing dmg farther away and then come closer than 10m for 5 sec to do the burst dmg when needed (one proc did 50k dmg).

It's about time melee range DPS have an actual numerical advantage over ranged DPS.

Malamar1229

FFS PEOPLE ITS NOT A STAM LICH SET....ITS WARLOCK

Toc de Malsvi

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Curse of Doylemish (Heavy)
(2) Max Health
(3) Max Health
(4) Spell Damage
(4) Weapon Damage
(5) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

Now if this was a medium stamina set.....

I'm not sure who wants a tanking pure DPS set, or why the many melee range DPS sets already in existence wouldn't suffice if they do.

I was looking at it from a pvp bow-gank perspective.

I dont see it, unless you can launch the stun after the heavy attack but land it before the heavy.

DDuke

Nothing to see here, pls no nerf.

Nihility42

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Curse of Doylemish (Heavy)
(2) Max Health
(3) Max Health
(4) Spell Damage
(4) Weapon Damage
(5) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

Now if this was a medium stamina set.....

I'm not sure who wants a tanking pure DPS set, or why the many melee range DPS sets already in existence wouldn't suffice if they do.

Definitely seems to be a PVP targeted set. Fits right into the heavy armor PVP meta with the burst from the 5pc. Definitely the set i'm most excited to try.

Glory

For those not able to get into PTS, the Thurvokun 2 piece in action.

I would personally like to see the AoE grow a bit faster. I think it'd be slightly too strong if it was PBAoE, but think in it's current state the growth of the circle is too slow to keep anyone in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDVz2NT8FR4&feature=youtu.be

TheDoomsdayMonster

Well, I'll keep beating the drum on the following until my hands are raw and bloody:

Can the Vampire Lord set receive a buff? Don't you think a set that only affects 3 abilities (and really only buffs the damage of 2 of them as next to no one uses Baleful Mist) could use a little love?

Especially when you have War Maiden buffing the damage of Vampiric abilities to the same degree that the dedicated Vampire Lord gear does as well as the damage of all Magicka based damaging abilities...


Thanks for reading @ZOS_GinaBruno ...

TheDoomsdayMonster

As pertains to Zaan, does anyone know if the beam can be Cleansed?

ManDraKE

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

As pertains to Zaan, does anyone know if the beam can be Cleansed?

is not an status effect, so no. It works like malubeth, you have to move away to break it.

Apherius

Yeah ! A magicka monster set ! Finnaly. Now i will atleast have something to get at the end of the dungeon like stam did with velidreth.

usmcjdking

ManDraKE wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

As pertains to Zaan, does anyone know if the beam can be Cleansed?

is not an status effect, so no. It works like malubeth, you have to move away to break it.

This is incorrect.

It's an ACTIVE effect and takes precedence over any other status on you. It will always be cleansed unless you have more active effects on you than can be purged.

Anne_Firehawk

DKsUnite wrote: »

ssssssshhh, it's exactly what mag DK needs. Stick to your target at all cost, get rewarded.

Xsorus

That Zaan set with Overwhelming Surge is going to be stupid in 1v1

Emma_Overload

TheNightflame wrote: »

Zaan on a ranged build to scare the melee people away

Which is fine, as far as I'm concerned. Thanks to gap closer spam, all PvP is melee, anyway.

Carbonised

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

DDuke

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

No, Mag DKs are far from a "difficult spot" on Live, and even more so in PTS with their infinite power lashes. In fact, they're quite likely the strongest open world class at the moment and definitely one of the top 3 classes in duels.

If you want to see what a "difficult spot" looks like, try playing a stam build & surviving those magicka DKs.


There is no "limited mobility" after you slot Empowering Chains, the best gap closer in the game, conveniently available to magicka DKs specifically. Or Mist Form...

pieratsos

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

Pls dont go full potato. If mDK is underperforming then buff mDK. This set is beyond busted.

Nefaras

Hey race change is on sale ....so my stam dk will go magika boys! xDD

Hmmm could you put Zaan on a Werwolf Stam Character? Ignore the Spellpower (nice for the healign ) and with fear and the added movement speed the high proccs from Zaan will happen

SaintSubwayy

Faulgor wrote: »

I love Jorvuld's Guidance. Finally a new useful healer set!

I don't get why we need another Fire Damage proc monster set, though. Melee range even. Why would I use this one over Grothdar? If you really want to add another magicka proc set, why not Cold, Shock or Magic damage?

This Set will outperform Grothdarr by mile sin Singletarget PVE, however it doesnt fix the MagDK Problem with sustain that came with this patch. Offbalance Uptime of 20-25% is just horrible for MagDK.

Carbonised

pieratsos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

Pls dont go full potato. If mDK is underperforming then buff mDK. This set is beyond busted.

Sure, as if calling Chains the best gap closer in the game isn't potato enough, like the guy who came after me did.

This set IS a buff for MagDK. As well as a buff for any mag who wants to fight melee. MagDK is just the only one of the mag classes that is outright forced to stay in melee, and until now there hasn't been any real payoffs for that drawback.

SaintSubwayy

DDuke wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

No, Mag DKs are far from a "difficult spot" on Live, and even more so in PTS with their infinite power lashes. In fact, they're quite likely the strongest open world class at the moment and definitely one of the top 3 classes in duels.

If you want to see what a "difficult spot" looks like, try playing a stam build & surviving those magicka DKs.


There is no "limited mobility" after you slot Empowering Chains, the best gap closer in the game, conveniently available to magicka DKs specifically. Or Mist Form...

If you've read the Combat Balance changes you'd know that mDK is now nearly completly rekt in PVE due to Offbalance Nerf down to 25% uptime at max.

in PVP this set is Broken like the Bones of someone crushed by a Truck.

BohnT

Carbonised wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

Pls dont go full potato. If mDK is underperforming then buff mDK. This set is beyond busted.

Sure, as if calling Chains the best gap closer in the game isn't potato enough, like the guy who came after me did.

This set IS a buff for MagDK. As well as a buff for any mag who wants to fight melee. MagDK is just the only one of the mag classes that is outright forced to stay in melee, and until now there hasn't been any real payoffs for that drawback.

Check the latest video of that "potato" .
Magdk always had the payoff that it was a beast in meele fights. A set that deals 30k damage against a player is beyond op anything above 5k is already stupid but i guess Zos wants the proc meta again

DDuke

Carbonised wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

Pls dont go full potato. If mDK is underperforming then buff mDK. This set is beyond busted.

Sure, as if calling Chains the best gap closer in the game isn't potato enough, like the guy who came after me did.

This set IS a buff for MagDK. As well as a buff for any mag who wants to fight melee. MagDK is just the only one of the mag classes that is outright forced to stay in melee, and until now there hasn't been any real payoffs for that drawback.

Why wouldn't I call it the best gap closer in the game?


Undodgeable, can be used while rooted, gives Major Empower to next Whip/Leap, gives 6 seconds of Major Expedition, cheap & most importantly is a magicka costing gap closer for a class that would otherwise have bad mobility.

You can compare it to something like Ambush, a similar gap closer (though more expensive & gives no Major Expedition) for a class that already is very mobile - yet most people slot it anyway.


The truth is, the only way to escape a mag DK (who actually knows what skills to slot) with Zaan on you will be Shadow Image or Streak.

pieratsos

Carbonised wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

Pls dont go full potato. If mDK is underperforming then buff mDK. This set is beyond busted.

Sure, as if calling Chains the best gap closer in the game isn't potato enough, like the guy who came after me did.

This set IS a buff for MagDK. As well as a buff for any mag who wants to fight melee. MagDK is just the only one of the mag classes that is outright forced to stay in melee, and until now there hasn't been any real payoffs for that drawback.

I never said anything about chains. I do not consider mDKs to be in a good spot with the exception of duels.

That being said, this set is beyond busted. Its the worst proc set this game has ever seen. 30k dmg? Seriously? This is not a buff to mDK. This is a buff to every potato out there who needs crap like that to carry them. You think its good because ur DK is good at melee? Wait till every potato snare you to sh*t and you cant break the beam cause u have the worst mobility in the game.

Carbonised

BohnT wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Zaan is made for melee magicka - aka MagDKs. Thanks for finally making something that actually turns the MagDK's weakness - melee range - into a strength. Pretty much everyone agrees that MagDK is in a difficult spot right now, both in PvE and PvP, having this bone thrown our way is a very appreciated and needed push in the right direction. For PvE it will hopefully add some DPS that makes it worth staying melee instead of safety of distance, for PvP it's really not that difficult to escape MagDK with very limited mobility. Just break the beam.

Pls dont go full potato. If mDK is underperforming then buff mDK. This set is beyond busted.

Sure, as if calling Chains the best gap closer in the game isn't potato enough, like the guy who came after me did.

This set IS a buff for MagDK. As well as a buff for any mag who wants to fight melee. MagDK is just the only one of the mag classes that is outright forced to stay in melee, and until now there hasn't been any real payoffs for that drawback.

Check the latest video of that "potato" .
Magdk always had the payoff that it was a beast in meele fights. A set that deals 30k damage against a player is beyond op anything above 5k is already stupid but i guess Zos wants the proc meta again

Sigh. How about some context. That 30k proc was over 7 tics, as is clearly evident from the screenshot. If someone is stupid enough to stand within 10m of someone with a channeling beam for 7 secs, they deserve to be hit with 30k.
I would like to see someone take 7 ticks of jesus beam in execution range in comparison.

To even proc the set reliably and consistently you have to spec for a crit build, which means less ressources, less survival, less defense. And when it does proc, someone only has to dodge roll, sprint, streak or otherwise remove themselves from the 10m line. It's a potentially powerful set, but it has plenty of counterplay.

Please don't be that guy who stands still for 7 ticks in an Eye of Flame and then comes to the forums to complain about the damage.