PTS Update 17 - Feedback Thread for Item Sets, Monster Masks & General Itemization

ZOS_GinaBruno

This is the official feedback thread for the new item sets and monster masks, and general itemization improvements. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• How desirable do you find these new items? Do you plan to use them when this update goes live?
• Do you have any other general feedback?

BohnT

Increases the duration of all Major buffs, Minor buffs, and damage shields you apply to yourself and allies by 40%.

When you take damage, you summon a Skeever corpse which will launch a poison ball that deals 5160 Poison Damage every 1.5 seconds at the nearest enemy for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

When a nearby enemy damages you, summon a growing pool of desecrated bile for 8 seconds. Enemies in the bile receive 430 Disease Damage every 1 second and are afflicted with Minor Maim and Minor Defile, reducing their damage done and healing received by 15%. This effect can occur once every 8 seconds.

When you deal Critical Damage with a Light or Heavy Attack to a nearby enemy, a beam of fire will connect you to your enemy. The beam deals 3440 Flame Damage every 1 second for 5 seconds. Every second, this damage increases by 50%. The beam is broken if the enemy moves 10 meters away from you. This effect can occur every 15 seconds.

When you deal Critical Damage with a single target Magicka ability, you launch a Fire, Ice, Shock, or Disease ball at your target that deals 12,900 damage and applies a status effect. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

None of These sets should exsist.
40% Duration increase for all buffs is too much
We had a proc set meta once and you kepp bringing those into the game to kill every Little bit of skill in the game

Earthgore received no nerf whatsoever although you said that it will be nerfed as it's too powerful
Skoria is still the only proc set with high burst damage that can't be avoided
7th Legion still has no cd on the heal it grants
Duroks Bane and Wizard Riposte give you way too much uptime on powerful buffs with no Counterplay

ManDraKE

Please tell me that the beam of Zaan Monster Set don't go through cloak....

Alcast

40% on you AND your allies, gg

Aliyavana

Why do stam characters always get shafted? We need something thrown at us. Trappings is not optimal at all for PhD and plague slinger needs to have its 3 piece bonus turned to max stamina



Fang lair
Caluurion’s Legacy (Light)
(2) Spell Critical
(3) Spell Power
(4) Spell Critical
(5) When you deal Critical Damage with a single target Magicka ability, you launch a Fire, Ice, Shock, or Disease ball at your target that deals 12,900 damage and applies a status effect. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

Trappings of Invigoration (Medium)
(2) Stamina Recovery
(3) Max Stamina
(4) Stamina Recovery
(5) When you cast an ability while under 33% Stamina, you restore 9000 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.
Ulfnor’s Favor (Heavy)
(2) Max Health(3) Magicka Recovery
(3) Stamina Recovery
(4) Healing Taken
(5) Increases the Magicka or Stamina your Heavy Attacks restore by 30%.

Thurvokun (Monster)
Max Health
When a nearby enemy damages you, summon a growing pool of desecrated bile for 8 seconds. Enemies in the bile receive 430 Disease Damage every 1 second and are afflicted with Minor Maim and Minor Defile, reducing their damage done and healing received by 15%. This effect can occur once every 8 seconds.

Scalecaller Peak
Jorvuld’s Guidance (Light)
Magicka Recovery
Magicka Recovery
Healing Done
Increases the duration of all Major buffs, Minor buffs, and damage shields you apply to yourself and allies by 40%.
Plague Slinger (Medium)
(2) Weapon Damage
(3) Max Health
(4) Weapon Damage(5) When you take damage, you summon a Skeever corpse which will launch a poison ball that deals 5160 Poison Damage every 1.5 seconds at the nearest enemy for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

Curse of Doylemish (Heavy)
(2) Max Health
(3) Max Health
(4) Spell Damage
(4) Weapon Damage
(5) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

Zaan (Monster)
Spell Critical
When you deal Critical Damage with a Light or Heavy Attack to a nearby enemy, a beam of fire will connect you to your enemy. The beam deals 3440 Flame Damage every 1 second for 5 seconds. Every second, this damage increases by 50%. The beam is broken if the enemy moves 10 meters away from you. This effect can occur every

DDuke

Why do you keep releasing such bad medium armor sets?

Trappings of Invigoration (Medium)
(2) Stamina Recovery
(3) Max Stamina
(4) Stamina Recovery
(5) When you cast an ability while under 33% Stamina, you restore 9000 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.

Medium armor builds did not need a stamina version of Lich, there's already plenty of good, better options for sustain (not that sustain matters in PvP when you're dead to undodgeable damage anyway long before stam pool drains out).

Plague Slinger (Medium)
(2) Weapon Damage
(3) Max Health
(4) Weapon Damage(5) When you take damage, you summon a Skeever corpse which will launch a poison ball that deals 5160 Poison Damage every 1.5 seconds at the nearest enemy for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

There's a good reason (well, multiple good reasons) nobody uses the Unfathomable Darkness set from previous patch: sustained damage isn't good in PvP, especially on squishy medium armor builds.

This set basicly suffers from the same problems as Unfathomable Darkness, and I'm willing to bet those poison balls are going to break my own cloak, just like the birds do with Unfathomable Darkness.

Thurvokun (Monster)
Max Health
When a nearby enemy damages you, summon a growing pool of desecrated bile for 8 seconds. Enemies in the bile receive 430 Disease Damage every 1 second and are afflicted with Minor Maim and Minor Defile, reducing their damage done and healing received by 15%. This effect can occur once every 8 seconds.

And this is probably the worst offender... do you really expect people to stand in that puddle? And 430 damage... that's like no damage at all. I'm going to log on PTS soon, and unless this puddle has like a 10m radius & snares/roots people, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. Why would anyone slot this instead of Selene, Troll King etc?


Meanwhile, light & heavy armor once again get all the sweet sets.
Not surprised, just disappointed.

casparian

DDuke wrote: »

And this is probably the worst offender... do you really expect people to stand in that puddle? And 430 damage... that's like no damage at all. I'm going to log on PTS soon, and unless this puddle has like a 10m radius & snares/roots people, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. Why would anyone slot this instead of Selene, Troll King etc?

That's the point, I imagine -- the idea is to force groups to unblob themselves and spread out, or else eat those debuffs.

Hutch679

Greattttt more proc sets.... with the revert being made to non-CP BGs I think we can all see the next meta coming.... proc set haven..... woooooo

Aliyavana

I mean come on, I'm tired of the hundings rage meta that is a set that has been around since launch, where's the new meat?

Trappings of Invigoration (Medium)
(2) Stamina Recovery
(3) Max Stamina
(4) Stamina Recovery
(5) When you cast an ability while under 33% Stamina, you restore 9000 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 1 minute. Overdone in recovery.

Very niche set and is unlikely to see any action.

Plague Slinger (Medium)
(2) Weapon Damage
(3) Max Health
(4) Weapon Damage(5) When you take damage, you summon a Skeever corpse which will launch a poison ball that deals 5160 Poison Damage every 1.5 seconds at the nearest enemy for 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

Another proc set and is unimaginative. Why does the 3 piece have max health? Should be changed to max stam . If the skeever has a bad telegraph like mad tinkerer and hungerer set then this set will be horrible. Please make it telegraphed to players target

Caluurion’s Legacy (Light)
(2) Spell Critical
(3) Spell Power
(4) Spell Critical
(5) When you deal Critical Damage with a single target Magicka ability, you launch a Fire, Ice, Shock, or Disease ball at your target that deals 12,900 damage and applies a status effect. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.

Compare to this mag set, while it's a proc all 3 set bonuses are nice for pve and it's 5 piece bonus will apply a debuff, how nice a debuff.

Anyways please start by changing the plague set from max health to something else more desireable for pve, and do people really want a recovery set? Stamina builds are fairly easy to sustain

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

There is no incentive (i'm pretty certain) to not run Jorvuld’s Guidance whatsoever as a support.

And nice to see stam version of warlock but would need some cd reduction or higher value gained.

Looking forward to Lich stam version.

@DDuke more stam sustain sets would bring forth more builds imo. I would try to make a build around stamLich no doubt.

ManDraKE

The stamina sets are crap, as usual. Seriously, can we swap roles and put the guy designing the magicka sets to design the stamina sets and vice versa? lol

Stamden

When you deal Critical Damage with a Light or Heavy Attack to a nearby enemy, a beam of fire will connect you to your enemy. The beam deals 3440 Flame Damage every 1 second for 5 seconds. Every second, this damage increases by 50%. The beam is broken if the enemy moves 10 meters away from you. This effect can occur every 15 seconds.

Set could be cool for some close range Mag builds. The problem is that you need to crit to proc it. How is a mag character with S&B/DW supposed to proc it?

If it would also proc off of single-target abilities, I think it could be good.

DDuke

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

There is no incentive (i'm pretty certain) to not run Jorvuld’s Guidance whatsoever as a support.

And nice to see stam version of warlock but would need some cd reduction or higher value gained.

Looking forward to Lich stam version.

@DDuke more stam sustain sets would bring forth more builds imo. I would try to make a build around stamLich no doubt.

As it stands, building for sustain as medium stam build is just suicide... your stam pool hardly matters when there's no spammable heal or other survival mechanic & dodge roll doesn't mitigate anything half the time.

Also, people running something like Eternal Hunt already have infinite resources (apart from health pool...), why would they change a 5p that helps them survive to a 5p that gets you more sustain?


The only positive I see is that you can run this on off bar, but the problem here is that Infused Master's Bow is just too good not to run there.

OdinForge

I can see myself taking advantage of Trappings of Invigoration, but will have to test when I get a chance.

Faulgor

I love Jorvuld's Guidance. Finally a new useful healer set!

I don't get why we need another Fire Damage proc monster set, though. Melee range even. Why would I use this one over Grothdar? If you really want to add another magicka proc set, why not Cold, Shock or Magic damage?

grannas211

DDuke wrote: »

Why do you keep releasing such bad medium armor sets?

Trappings of Invigoration (Medium)
(2) Stamina Recovery
(3) Max Stamina
(4) Stamina Recovery
(5) When you cast an ability while under 33% Stamina, you restore 9000 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.

Medium armor builds did not need a stamina version of Lich, there's already plenty of good, better options for sustain (not that sustain matters in PvP when you're dead to undodgeable damage anyway long before stam pool drains out)..

And its not even a Stam Lich its the Stam version of the inferior warlock set

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

DDuke wrote: »

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

There is no incentive (i'm pretty certain) to not run Jorvuld’s Guidance whatsoever as a support.

And nice to see stam version of warlock but would need some cd reduction or higher value gained.

Looking forward to Lich stam version.

@DDuke more stam sustain sets would bring forth more builds imo. I would try to make a build around stamLich no doubt.

As it stands, building for sustain as medium stam build is just suicide... your stam pool hardly matters when there's no spammable heal or other survival mechanic & dodge roll doesn't mitigate anything half the time.

Also, people running something like Eternal Hunt already have infinite resources (apart from health pool...), why would they change a 5p that helps them survive to a 5p that gets you more sustain?


The only positive I see is that you can run this on off bar, but the problem here is that Infused Master's Bow is just too good not to run there.

I understand your point but look: you could run something like 2h / snb,dw - and having 2/5 pieces on the snb/dw bar as stamLich etc. so many new possibilities would come up if they made a 5 piece sustain bonus that could be procced on weaponswitching.

Not sure how good this would be in practice, but it would be interesting to build around it, imo.

BigBadVolk

Faulgor wrote: »

I love Jorvuld's Guidance. Finally a new useful healer set!

I don't get why we need another Fire Damage proc monster set, though. Melee range even. Why would I use this one over Grothdar? If you really want to add another magicka proc set, why not Cold, Shock or Magic damage?

This so much, we need those even though we have one (or maybe two frost and mag based) and two shock based (even though one is mostly a stam set) we need more options for magblades,templars/wardens for monster sets

glavius

Zaan (Monster)
Spell Critical
When you deal Critical Damage with a Light or Heavy Attack to a nearby enemy, a beam of fire will connect you to your enemy. The beam deals 3440 Flame Damage every 1 second for 5 seconds. Every second, this damage increases by 50%. The beam is broken if the enemy moves 10 meters away from you. This effect can occur every 15 seconds.

Noone at ZOS did the math on this set I assume???

34400 or 45365 damage proc over 5 seconds before cp modifiers (depending on calculation method)

Savos_Saren

glavius wrote: »

Zaan (Monster)
Spell Critical
When you deal Critical Damage with a Light or Heavy Attack to a nearby enemy, a beam of fire will connect you to your enemy. The beam deals 3440 Flame Damage every 1 second for 5 seconds. Every second, this damage increases by 50%. The beam is broken if the enemy moves 10 meters away from you. This effect can occur every 15 seconds.

Noone at ZOS did the math on this set I assume???

34400 or 45365 damage proc over 5 seconds before cp modifiers (depending on calculation method)

That’s if the enemy stands within 10meters of you (almost a roll dodge away) for 5 seconds... and if you’re light/heavy attacking enemies within melee range with a staff. This set is kinda wonky, honestly.

It’ll probably be ignored and people will continue to use Valkyn, Grothdar, or Slimecraw.

GrigorijMalahevich

Thurvokun - can some post a video how this works? Just curious

Earthgore...

nCats

Not liking the “proc” direction of thought. Please at least tone down the damage of newly introduced sets.

goldenarcher1

Curse of Doylemish (Heavy)
(2) Max Health
(3) Max Health
(4) Spell Damage
(4) Weapon Damage
(5) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

Now if this was a medium stamina set.....

pieratsos

Need more procs.

DDuke

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Curse of Doylemish (Heavy)
(2) Max Health
(3) Max Health
(4) Spell Damage
(4) Weapon Damage
(5) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

Now if this was a medium stamina set.....

ikr?


Instead we get a stationary 10m range "Ballista".


Just tested Plague Slinger on PTS and my god... it's worse than anyone imagined.

Now, the tooltip you can get on it is pretty decent (7430 every 1,5s for 6 seconds, 15s cooldown).

The problem however is that those projectiles are extremely slow and the range is abysmal. It takes one dodge roll (or a couple of steps) to get out of this set's range.

The range of this set needs to be closer to 18m+ for it to be worth slotting, as it stands you'd be lucky to get even 2 projectiles off with the set.

Edit: oh, and just as I thought... the proc breaks your own cloak when it hits enemies.


I also tested the new stamina monster set... another disappointment. While the radius of the puddle is pretty decent, it starts out small and takes several seconds to even reach your melee range opponent. Anyone can get out of its way before being hit even once.

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So here's what needs to happen for these sets to be worth using:

Plague Slinger - 18m range for the projectiles (ones that don't break my own cloak tyvm)
Thurvokun - speed up the effect by 2x

FrancisCrawford

goldenarcher1 wrote: »

Curse of Doylemish (Heavy)
(2) Max Health
(3) Max Health
(4) Spell Damage
(4) Weapon Damage
(5) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

Now if this was a medium stamina set.....

I'm not sure who wants a tanking pure DPS set, or why the many melee range DPS sets already in existence wouldn't suffice if they do.

FrancisCrawford

Nobody is going to have a reliable opinion about the buff extender until they've considered how it does or doesn't interact w/ various ultimates. For starters, it may make me feel a little better about using Life Giver over Aggressive Horn. I don't know whether it will make Solar Prison attractive again. Etc.

I also note that this patch could have multiple factors spacing out their 4-man dungeon support rotations:

• Shards/Orbs synergies useful less often, due to longer cooldown.
• Lightning Blockade, ditto.
• Combat Prayer, if they wear the new set.

Thraben

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for the new item sets and monster masks, and general itemization improvements. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

[1] How desirable do you find these new items? Do you plan to use them when this update goes live? [2] Do you have any other general feedback?

(1) The Zaan - Set: Just consider am Magblade using Lotus Fan, then fearxploit (unbreakable fear) the target while weaving a light attack, and then he applies Soul Strike. If not the lack of counterplay (blocking impossible), the Impale will give the target the rest without any counterplay. So obviously TOO desirable, being fire damage.

Plague singer sounds cool. Like, Skaven- cool

(2) Earthgore´s "negate" effect has to go, or it should have a delay of 2 seconds. It makes good PvP groups nearly invincible and bad ones good enough to discourage the average PvP player.

Aliyavana

Stamina dd sets are garbage and will mostly be used as Decon crap

TheNightflame

Zaan on a ranged build to scare the melee people away

DKsUnite