Ebony Wolf Pack: Werewolf 101 || Updated for Greymoor

CrazyWolf712

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

My planned cp Layout (mind i use claws of anguish and rarely have issues with sorcs or shielding targets)
Blessed= 32
Master @Arms=37
Thraumaturge=64
Piercing=41
Mighty=56
Seems alright or am i wrong?
Btw to the Claws of anguish users, do you put points under Befoul??? Im planning on putting in 30 points

That’s around what I have my points set as. And I prefer Claws of Life myself but I’m interested to hear what the Anguish users think of this.

IlCanis_LupuslI

I find that without claws of anguish i have huge problems against dks and templars(bol spamming sobs),
I see it like this: 30% less healing is 30% less damage i have to do to him to keep him down

Chrlynsch

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I find that without claws of anguish i have huge problems against dks and templars(bol spamming sobs),
I see it like this: 30% less healing is 30% less damage i have to do to him to keep him down

Big time, I bump my defile to at least 40%. Fears, and claws of anguish help break ball groups apart. When fighting magplars, the trick is to instantly reapply the major defile as soon as they purge.

Dks you want to fear, howl of agony, then apply your major defile, and work them down with light attacks as by the time they break fear they will have started to block again or appled wings. Bleed damage will proc on every light attack, about 2 per second, as bleed goes through block and armor. Expect an ultimate from them in retaliation as defensively they are burning through a lot of resources. Remember to weive light and heavy attacks between roll dodge and heals. This allows you to keep pressure going while recovering from a burst. Repeat your opening combo, and keep anguish up the duration of the fight.

Biggest tip for werewolf PVP, utilizing your light attacks, it is very easy to focus on landing howl after howl, but you will find that you burn your own stam out very very quickly you leave yourself open to counter attack.

On a side note: claws of anguish does not apply to healing regen like other major defiles.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Thanks, worked great against a Mag dk i was fighting, the dot damage with blooddrinker is insane very nice against permablockers and also helps burn down shieldspammers :-)

IlCanis_LupuslI

Btw how high should my resistances be??? I play very aggressive and im at 31k in Ww form(medium) regen at 2k ish, im not shure if my resistances are to high but especially when Ulti bombed I thank chuduan for pushing my resistances so high. But in 1vs1 31k feels a bit excessive, but on the other side I do pull a lot of aggro. Btw can all the Wws that helped me with tipps write their Gamer tags and YouTube channels down??? Is like to link them on my channel and mention them in my build videos.

CrazyWolf712

@Mangeli200194 Resistances cap out at 33k so as long as you don’t exceed that, you’re golden!
And my GT is CrazyWolf712. I’m glad that you’ve found this forum to be helpful! Good luck to you!

Sharee

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Mangeli200194 Resistances cap out at 33k so as long as you don’t exceed that, you’re golden!

Just for the sake of completness: Resistances over 33k can still be helpful if you are being attacked by a resistance debuff. The extra resistance will act as a buffer to counteract the debuff's effect. So if you have 38K resistance, and get hit by a 5K debuff, your actual final damage mitigation will be like you were not debuffed at all.

Of course whether it is worth it is another matter.

CrazyWolf712

Sharee wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Mangeli200194 Resistances cap out at 33k so as long as you don’t exceed that, you’re golden!

Just for the sake of completness: Resistances over 33k can still be helpful if you are being attacked by a resistance debuff. The extra resistance will act as a buffer to counteract the debuff's effect. So if you have 38K resistance, and get hit by a 5K debuff, your actual final damage mitigation will be like you were not debuffed at all.

Of course whether it is worth it is another matter.

I agree with this. But that is better for pure PvP tanks. As a werewolf it is equally as important to have some damage. Could still try it though.

Chrlynsch

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Mangeli200194 Resistances cap out at 33k so as long as you don’t exceed that, you’re golden!

Just for the sake of completness: Resistances over 33k can still be helpful if you are being attacked by a resistance debuff. The extra resistance will act as a buffer to counteract the debuff's effect. So if you have 38K resistance, and get hit by a 5K debuff, your actual final damage mitigation will be like you were not debuffed at all.

Of course whether it is worth it is another matter.

I agree with this. But that is better for pure PvP tanks. As a werewolf it is equally as important to have some damage. Could still try it though.

Just to note, all 5 light users come equipped with built in 5k spell pen passive, and top off with major breach you are looking at 10k off your resistances without breaking a sweat.

Personally I sit around 30k spell resistance and 28k armor on my templar werewolf.

IlCanis_LupuslI

btw, medium vs heavy(30k physical vs 34k physical), 4k wd vs 4.46k wd, 2k rec vs 1.8k rec, what is your guys preference??

IlCanis_LupuslI

If youd have the same wd and resistances in heavy and medium what would you prefer????
Im kinda caught at this moment .

CrazyWolf712

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

If youd have the same wd and resistances in heavy and medium what would you prefer????
Im kinda caught at this moment .

Well, I personally prefer heavy over medium for Constitution, but stamina reduction for werewolf abilities in medium is very helpful! So medium is by far better than heavy since we can still get capped resistances like with heavy. Especially since they keep nerfing heavy...

Skelfish

For someone who does not have any monster sets yet, what would you recommend as the final 2 piece bonus? Is it worthwhile to grab extra health or spell resistance (since WW adds so much physical resist) as a facsimile to a monster tanky set, or better to just pick up some extra weapon damage or crit chance since there is only one smaller stat boost available?

Does the answer change based on whether a person mostly solos or mostly groups?

Qbiken

@Skelfish

While crit-chance is beneficial sometimes I feel that Weapondamage > weaponcrit in most cases. Regarding more HP vs more resistance I would in your case try them both out and see what works best for you (even though I feel resistance is probably more worthwile). That´s what I love with playing werewolf, the endless testing of sets

Skelfish

True, it really depends on personal set up. Gearing with something like Salvation + Night Mother's Gaze would mean extra spell resist would be handy due to being very DPS oriented sets. Whereas with Prisoner's + Pelinals, I'm feeling like extra weapon damage would be beneficial to balance the support nature of them.

Especially when mostly playing solo having more of a balance between full glass cannon and tank is good for survivability. PVE is considered "easy" on the forums (especially if animation cancelling is mastered), but the average player will probably say the content that is supposed to be harder actually is.

CrazyWolf712

This forum has been updated for the Dragon Bones DLC. Changes include all viable sets in werewolf form, updated Champion system information, and the revised werewolf rotation since the off balance change. The forum will be updated again once Summerset is officially released to include additional sets and the new jewelry system.

Crom_CCCXVI

there was no reason to nerf the werewolf timer.... it was fun, the wolf groups weren't that common. That is the sad part about how ZOS chooses to nerf stuff.
You can have 90% of the population running the exact same "META", and one person comes up with something different, and if it has any success that 90% comes in here and cries and whines to they nerf it. -- It's almost exactly backwards, you want to know what to nerf? look at whatever is most popular, not the least.

Aznarb

Hello !

Sorry if I necro a bit, but this thread is awesome to gather info on WW.
But, most of the post goes for PvP.

I'm a DK right now and would love some advice on set. They'r so many than I'm totally lost !

For monster set :
- Chudan
- Molag
These both look pretty nice to me.

For regular set I'm lost.
Those next seem the best to me :
- Salvation
- Hunding
- Berzerking Warrior
But I've also see alot of :
- Prisonner Rag
- Pelinal’s Aptitude
Etc..

I really struggle to chose "regular" set.
Since I play mostly un group I'll probably go for a DPS option, but I also love balance my build around regen/dmg/tankiness.

Any advice on PvE WW would be very helpful.
(I don't ask for a full build, just some more advice)

Have a nice day !

Kilcosu

@Aznarb
yeah this thread is pretty outdated. so for your question before it might be laid to rest again by moderators (maybe not?) I'll answer bluntly.

For PVE WW start with blood moon and mix with molag kena monster set. 3rd sets pretty up to you doesn't have to be another best in slot for nice effective dps. have fun with it.

Aznarb

Kilcosu wrote: »

@Aznarb
yeah this thread is pretty outdated. so for your question before it might be laid to rest again by moderators (maybe not?) I'll answer bluntly.

For PVE WW start with blood moon and mix with molag kena monster set. 3rd sets pretty up to you doesn't have to be another best in slot for nice effective dps. have fun with it.

Thx you !

CrazyWolf712

@Aznarb yes I’m still working on updating it for Wolfhunter, let alone Murkmire. Since the whole werewolf skill line was revamped, I’m having to change a lot. Plus I’ve been busy with the guild and real life stuffs. I’ll try to get a more updated forum up here soon.

Aznarb

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Aznarb yes I’m still working on updating it for Wolfhunter, let alone Murkmire. Since the whole werewolf skill line was revamped, I’m having to change a lot. Plus I’ve been busy with the guild and real life stuffs. I’ll try to get a more updated forum up here soon.

Would be awesome, thanks for your work

CrazyWolf712

Sorry for the long wait everyone but this forum is now updated for Murkmire!!!

CrazyWolf712

@Aznarb In regards to your build questions, stick with two medium sets and pair them with Chudan. Relequen is bis for stam dps. And you could pair it with something like Shacklebreaker/Draugr Hulk/Twice Born Star/Hunding’s/Salvation. My stamblade does the cheesy Kena/Relequen/Bloodmoon but that’s more of a glass cannon build. I’ve also done Chudan/Hunding’s/Salvation before the change to weapon damage scaling off max stam. My Templar I’m building, which is gonna be more PvP focused, will run Spriggans/Draugr Hulk/Chudan. Our strongest wolf use to run Chudan/Shackle/Salvation in his medium armor days. Could switch Salvation with Draugr Hulk. The more stam you have, the more damage you’ll do. Just some suggestions.

Aznarb

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Aznarb In regards to your build questions, stick with two medium sets and pair them with Chudan. Relequen is bis for stam dps. And you could pair it with something like Shacklebreaker/Draugr Hulk/Twice Born Star/Hunding’s/Salvation. My stamblade does the cheesy Kena/Relequen/Bloodmoon but that’s more of a glass cannon build. I’ve also done Chudan/Hunding’s/Salvation before the change to weapon damage scaling off max stam. My Templar I’m building, which is gonna be more PvP focused, will run Spriggans/Draugr Hulk/Chudan. Our strongest wolf use to run Chudan/Shackle/Salvation in his medium armor days. Could switch Salvation with Draugr Hulk. The more stam you have, the more damage you’ll do. Just some suggestions.

Hello thanks for the info.

Also, I've start to ask myself about a different way to build my WW and I would love your opinion about it.
I plan to use poison (I don't know all of them but I'm learning).
I got this idea after found randomly 2 set who, I think, are good together :
- Poisonous Serpent set
- Viper's Sting set

With these 2 bonus set + poison + WW it should be a pretty good DPM and look pretty original (since I've find nothing about)
Do you think it can work ?

CrazyWolf712

@Aznarb I’d say if you put a poison glyph on your off hand it might. Not sure if alchemical poisons proc it. I know there are sets that will specify that. Maybe @Chrlynsch would know more.

Qbiken

Aznarb wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Aznarb In regards to your build questions, stick with two medium sets and pair them with Chudan. Relequen is bis for stam dps. And you could pair it with something like Shacklebreaker/Draugr Hulk/Twice Born Star/Hunding’s/Salvation. My stamblade does the cheesy Kena/Relequen/Bloodmoon but that’s more of a glass cannon build. I’ve also done Chudan/Hunding’s/Salvation before the change to weapon damage scaling off max stam. My Templar I’m building, which is gonna be more PvP focused, will run Spriggans/Draugr Hulk/Chudan. Our strongest wolf use to run Chudan/Shackle/Salvation in his medium armor days. Could switch Salvation with Draugr Hulk. The more stam you have, the more damage you’ll do. Just some suggestions.

Hello thanks for the info.

Also, I've start to ask myself about a different way to build my WW and I would love your opinion about it.
I plan to use poison (I don't know all of them but I'm learning).
I got this idea after found randomly 2 set who, I think, are good together :
- Poisonous Serpent set
- Viper's Sting set

With these 2 bonus set + poison + WW it should be a pretty good DPM and look pretty original (since I've find nothing about)
Do you think it can work ?

If you´re running DoT poisons Poisonous Serpent will proc.

Aznarb

I just saw that poisonous serpent is from trial...
Now I'm sad

Aznarb

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Aznarb In regards to your build questions, stick with two medium sets and pair them with Chudan. Relequen is bis for stam dps. And you could pair it with something like Shacklebreaker/Draugr Hulk/Twice Born Star/Hunding’s/Salvation. My stamblade does the cheesy Kena/Relequen/Bloodmoon but that’s more of a glass cannon build. I’ve also done Chudan/Hunding’s/Salvation before the change to weapon damage scaling off max stam. My Templar I’m building, which is gonna be more PvP focused, will run Spriggans/Draugr Hulk/Chudan. Our strongest wolf use to run Chudan/Shackle/Salvation in his medium armor days. Could switch Salvation with Draugr Hulk. The more stam you have, the more damage you’ll do. Just some suggestions.

I was wondering, do you use Chundan cuz you build for PvP and then Molag would be better for PvE, or do you use Chudan even in PvE ?

For core set, Draugr + Hunding look good so I can also play effectively in human form. Always good to have the choice of variety ^^
Or Maybe Automaton, I've read here : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343255/psa-for-sets-like-automaton-netch-war-maiden that also buff LA, so It should be better thant draugr or huinding.

Now I just can't choos between Molag and Chundan.

Damn it's so hard to choose set, so many option (and I love that) x)

CrazyWolf712

Aznarb wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

@Aznarb In regards to your build questions, stick with two medium sets and pair them with Chudan. Relequen is bis for stam dps. And you could pair it with something like Shacklebreaker/Draugr Hulk/Twice Born Star/Hunding’s/Salvation. My stamblade does the cheesy Kena/Relequen/Bloodmoon but that’s more of a glass cannon build. I’ve also done Chudan/Hunding’s/Salvation before the change to weapon damage scaling off max stam. My Templar I’m building, which is gonna be more PvP focused, will run Spriggans/Draugr Hulk/Chudan. Our strongest wolf use to run Chudan/Shackle/Salvation in his medium armor days. Could switch Salvation with Draugr Hulk. The more stam you have, the more damage you’ll do. Just some suggestions.

I was wondering, do you use Chundan cuz you build for PvP and then Molag would be better for PvE, or do you use Chudan even in PvE ?

For core set, Draugr + Hunding look good so I can also play effectively in human form. Always good to have the choice of variety ^^
Or Maybe Automaton, I've read here : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343255/psa-for-sets-like-automaton-netch-war-maiden that also buff LA, so It should be better thant draugr or huinding.

Now I just can't choos between Molag and Chundan.

Damn it's so hard to choose set, so many option (and I love that) x)

For the easier dungeons, Molag Kena would be fine. I prefer using Chudan for the dlc dungeons though as Kena will increase the cost of your abilities, including your heal and ultimate. Also one of our core team werewolves uses Automatons and Vicious Ophidian with Chudan as his setup and it does really well. Automatoms would be a good set to use.