Ebony Wolf Pack: Werewolf 101 || Updated for Greymoor

WildWilbur

Hmm, anyone tried to solo a vet dungeon as a WW?

Qbiken

WildWilbur wrote: »

Hmm, anyone tried to solo a vet dungeon as a WW?

There´re people with Flawless Conqueror as WW so I can almost guarantee you that some people have soloed some vet-dungeons

IlCanis_LupuslI

Yeh provided there aren't any mechanics that prohibit it Not To hard

Sharee

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Yeah but the thing i like about heavy is the costitution passive(magica return =very helpfull as Ww) and the healing received passive(+8%) not really the resistances.

The thing is that the WW form is extremely offensive. Transform and kill the enemy before he recovers from the shock that yes, werewolves are actually real in PvP.

Once you get into a lengthy mud slinging match, the WW will lose simply because he only has 5 abilities while his enemy has 12. The lack of utility will be your undoing. Therefore sustain is not as important for a WW as the raw damage output. Finish your fights fast, or not at all. I found that medium armor serves me better for this role than heavy. And i've been using heavy for a long time before, because i felt too squishy in medium even in WW form, until i started to use the pirate skeleton/lord warden combo.

ScardyFox

@CrazyWolf712

OMG, I rushed home from work looking forwardd to an answer - don't break my heart!

CrazyWolf712

ScardyFox wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

This is a great thread, I hope it stays alive a long long time. Personally, for me, I am having a really hard time which mix of sets to use. Right now im leaning towards shacklebreaker with seventh legion or Shackle with Bone Pirate's Tatters. Or Mechanical Acuity and some such to really utilize the iceheart monster set.

What are some of the sets you guys are using and why? I really am lost on what to focus my farming efforts on.

Shacklebreaker and Seventh Legion would do well together! Our Flawless werewolf guild leader has used Shacklebreaker for a long time and has tested out Seventh Legion. He prefers another set as opposed to that one but Shacklebreaker is one of his.

Oh? Whats the other set he likes instead of Seventh?

@Qbiken - thanks for that, I actually pointed this out to my misses since she is a stamplar werewolf.

@ScardyFox In his medium build, he used Salvation and Mighty Chudan. That is his Flawless Conquerer build. Since then, he’s gone a little tankier with all heavy Shacklebreaker, Black Rose, and Troll King.

ScardyFox

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

This is a great thread, I hope it stays alive a long long time. Personally, for me, I am having a really hard time which mix of sets to use. Right now im leaning towards shacklebreaker with seventh legion or Shackle with Bone Pirate's Tatters. Or Mechanical Acuity and some such to really utilize the iceheart monster set.

What are some of the sets you guys are using and why? I really am lost on what to focus my farming efforts on.

Shacklebreaker and Seventh Legion would do well together! Our Flawless werewolf guild leader has used Shacklebreaker for a long time and has tested out Seventh Legion. He prefers another set as opposed to that one but Shacklebreaker is one of his.

Oh? Whats the other set he likes instead of Seventh?

@Qbiken - thanks for that, I actually pointed this out to my misses since she is a stamplar werewolf.

@ScardyFox In his medium build, he used Salvation and Mighty Chudan. That is his Flawless Conquerer build. Since then, he’s gone a little tankier with all heavy Shacklebreaker, Black Rose, and Troll King.

Soooo.... excuse me if I am being dense. So, if he uses Shacklebreaker (which I am going to) what is the other set (for jewelerly, etc) that he compliments to it? Black rose doesnt have jewels now does it?

@CrazyWolf712 Sorry if I am being dense and missed something.

Xvorg

Sharee wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And any idea how one is supposed to fight the dodgerollspamming, permacloaking---> poisoninjektionspamming---> ambush incap stam blade??? As a Werwolf??? Thats the only class i really have probkems fighting :-(

Transform next to him(if you are DK like me, it also heals you up), and immediately howl+light attack while he is still feared from the transform. Pop detection/CCimmunity potion.He breaks free and hits cloak. Claws+LA. He realizes cloak does not work, and starts dodge rolling. Continue light attacking(its free, his dodge rolls are not). The DOTs from claws and LA(and possibly axebleed)should counteract vigor. If he starts gaining distance, leap. After 7 seconds, fear and howl. If hes still alive after that you probably won't kill him.

I'm quite sure axbleed does not proc on WW form

Qbiken

Xvorg wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And any idea how one is supposed to fight the dodgerollspamming, permacloaking---> poisoninjektionspamming---> ambush incap stam blade??? As a Werwolf??? Thats the only class i really have probkems fighting :-(

Transform next to him(if you are DK like me, it also heals you up), and immediately howl+light attack while he is still feared from the transform. Pop detection/CCimmunity potion.He breaks free and hits cloak. Claws+LA. He realizes cloak does not work, and starts dodge rolling. Continue light attacking(its free, his dodge rolls are not). The DOTs from claws and LA(and possibly axebleed)should counteract vigor. If he starts gaining distance, leap. After 7 seconds, fear and howl. If hes still alive after that you probably won't kill him.

I'm quite sure axbleed does not proc on WW form

Weapon passives does not carry over in WW-form. That includes Twin-Blade-Blunt Passive as well. Would be nice if it did but atm it doesn´t.

Xvorg

I think WW is an unexploited area for theorycrafting (maybe it's just me). Finally I decided to go on my stamblade for Way of Air as a set to pair with Ravager (you know, 'coz Airwolf xD), due to the extra stam recovery it has

But it turned to be an intersting approach. The dodgeroll imprves both, spell and wpn dmg and paired with major brut and ravager increases your wpn dmg a lot (overv 1K)

Nevertheless, now I'm thinking on 3 more builds that use elemental dmg that could work:

1- Storm wolf: Using Way of Air and thunderbug's on a stam sorc. Great proc and the chance of concusion. Can build some decent spell dmg and shock glyphs with infused seem great.

2- Fire claws wolf: Using Way of Fire (of course) and something else ona DK (ravager, tormentor, embershield, sunderflame)... Remember D2 Druid Bart, he's back, in pog form (flame glyphs)

3- Jon Snow (xD): Using Air/ravager/pelinal's and Ice Furnace on a DK? That one depends on if Ice Furnace procs on frost glyphs

CrazyWolf712

ScardyFox wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

This is a great thread, I hope it stays alive a long long time. Personally, for me, I am having a really hard time which mix of sets to use. Right now im leaning towards shacklebreaker with seventh legion or Shackle with Bone Pirate's Tatters. Or Mechanical Acuity and some such to really utilize the iceheart monster set.

What are some of the sets you guys are using and why? I really am lost on what to focus my farming efforts on.

Shacklebreaker and Seventh Legion would do well together! Our Flawless werewolf guild leader has used Shacklebreaker for a long time and has tested out Seventh Legion. He prefers another set as opposed to that one but Shacklebreaker is one of his.

Oh? Whats the other set he likes instead of Seventh?

@Qbiken - thanks for that, I actually pointed this out to my misses since she is a stamplar werewolf.

@ScardyFox In his medium build, he used Salvation and Mighty Chudan. That is his Flawless Conquerer build. Since then, he’s gone a little tankier with all heavy Shacklebreaker, Black Rose, and Troll King.

Soooo.... excuse me if I am being dense. So, if he uses Shacklebreaker (which I am going to) what is the other set (for jewelerly, etc) that he compliments to it? Black rose doesnt have jewels now does it?

@CrazyWolf712 Sorry if I am being dense and missed something.

@ScardyFox Both Salvation and Black Rose are drop sets and have jewelry. My heavy build has Black Rose jewelry. Salvation can be found in Malabal Tor and Black Rose can be bought with Tel Var in the Imperial Sewers.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Ok, 2nd build i have issues with=sorcs in amberplasm/litch unlimited stamina substain, unlimitiert magica substain, and toss in restoult in cooldown and i just can t burst him though shields (usually though shields and -70% hp then he just breaks free and restoults back up... After 15 min and very many restoults later i saw his buddy sneaking up for a ambusg and I disengaged... Any advice?++

IlCanis_LupuslI

*Ww For the entire fight duration

Qbiken

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

*Ww For the entire fight duration

I find magsorcs to be the easiest opponents to deal with, since the best counter to shields is high amount of weapon damage (which you´ll have a lot of as a werewolf).

* Make sure to always have Claw of Anguish + Light Attack Bleed up against the sorc.

* Make sure to CC/fear the magsorcs as soon as the CC-immunity runs out. After a break free that will be around 6 seconds if I recall it correctly. If he´s using Immovable pots that duration will be 15 seconds (can be hard to keep track on but you´ll notice if you can´t CC/fear him).

* If a sorc tries to run away try to keep leaping after them, the cost for a magsorcs using streak repeatedly will be more costly to them compared to you using your leap/pounce repeatedly. And as soon a magsorcs is out of magicka he´s literally dead.

* Cheese tactic is to equip shieldbreaker (aka cheesebreaker) and spam your light attacks in WW-form, but be prepared for rage whispers. But hey, sometimes you need cheese to fight cheese.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Yeah average sorcs that works i find those easy to kill aswell. But the experienced ones(not to mention using immovable pots) are painful to kill.. . To shorten this= skillevel = bunnyhopping around rocks level if you catch the meaning
He had crazy substain but lousy damage thou 3.5k curse Crits(my buddy built for damage crit s for 5.4)

IlCanis_LupuslI

How many points do you put under shattering shields??? And is 3.5k wd(3.9 with glyphs procced, 4.3k with pvp buff )enough??

Sharee

Xvorg wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And any idea how one is supposed to fight the dodgerollspamming, permacloaking---> poisoninjektionspamming---> ambush incap stam blade??? As a Werwolf??? Thats the only class i really have probkems fighting :-(

Transform next to him(if you are DK like me, it also heals you up), and immediately howl+light attack while he is still feared from the transform. Pop detection/CCimmunity potion.He breaks free and hits cloak. Claws+LA. He realizes cloak does not work, and starts dodge rolling. Continue light attacking(its free, his dodge rolls are not). The DOTs from claws and LA(and possibly axebleed)should counteract vigor. If he starts gaining distance, leap. After 7 seconds, fear and howl. If hes still alive after that you probably won't kill him.

I'm quite sure axbleed does not proc on WW form

Sorry if i was misleading. I was not talking about WW in general but about a specific scenario that included transforming mid-fight. What i meant by "possibly" axebleed is that the bleed is possibly already on the target when i transform(since that's often the case).

ScardyFox

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

This is a great thread, I hope it stays alive a long long time. Personally, for me, I am having a really hard time which mix of sets to use. Right now im leaning towards shacklebreaker with seventh legion or Shackle with Bone Pirate's Tatters. Or Mechanical Acuity and some such to really utilize the iceheart monster set.

What are some of the sets you guys are using and why? I really am lost on what to focus my farming efforts on.

Shacklebreaker and Seventh Legion would do well together! Our Flawless werewolf guild leader has used Shacklebreaker for a long time and has tested out Seventh Legion. He prefers another set as opposed to that one but Shacklebreaker is one of his.

Oh? Whats the other set he likes instead of Seventh?

@Qbiken - thanks for that, I actually pointed this out to my misses since she is a stamplar werewolf.

@ScardyFox In his medium build, he used Salvation and Mighty Chudan. That is his Flawless Conquerer build. Since then, he’s gone a little tankier with all heavy Shacklebreaker, Black Rose, and Troll King.

Soooo.... excuse me if I am being dense. So, if he uses Shacklebreaker (which I am going to) what is the other set (for jewelerly, etc) that he compliments to it? Black rose doesnt have jewels now does it?

@CrazyWolf712 Sorry if I am being dense and missed something.

@ScardyFox Both Salvation and Black Rose are drop sets and have jewelry. My heavy build has Black Rose jewelry. Salvation can be found in Malabal Tor and Black Rose can be bought with Tel Var in the Imperial Sewers.

Oh snap, I didnt know black rose had jewerly. Thanks!

IlCanis_LupuslI

I would love a snare removal or immunity sigh.

Chrlynsch

Remeber that werewolf light attacks are absolutely lethal. On the right build your light attacks are enough to melt most enemies.

This is where werewolf true sustain comes from. Don't spam your howls like a madwolf, work them down with light attacks first. When the opportunity arises hit them with your howls or fears depending on the opponent.

IlCanis_LupuslI

My substain is just fine with 1.3k stamina recovery, in fact i outsubstained a stamblade in Medium 2.5k rec, After 15 min me chasing him, he ran out of stamina i was still full (I my 2 cost reduction glyphs)

ScardyFox

Claws of life or claws of anguish.... can't decide.

Sharee

ScardyFox wrote: »

Claws of life or claws of anguish.... can't decide.

Depends on what content you play. For PvE i suggest Life, for PvP anguish.

IlCanis_LupuslI

What enchant to put on infused offhand weapon?? Im considering prismatic onslaught, oblivion damage, poison damage...

ScardyFox

Sharee wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

Claws of life or claws of anguish.... can't decide.

Depends on what content you play. For PvE i suggest Life, for PvP anguish.

I play both

Sharee

ScardyFox wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

Claws of life or claws of anguish.... can't decide.

Depends on what content you play. For PvE i suggest Life, for PvP anguish.

I play both

Then go with anguish. PvE is easy enough.

CrazyWolf712

ScardyFox wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

Claws of life or claws of anguish.... can't decide.

Depends on what content you play. For PvE i suggest Life, for PvP anguish.

I play both

You should try both of them out. I haven’t tried Claws of Anguish because I can keep myself alive better with Claws of Life without having to use my heal as often. I could even solo Grobull in Vet Darkshade 2 because of that ability.

IlCanis_LupuslI

in PvP hands down, Claws of Anguish... Claws of life is more a pve
skill

Qbiken

@Chrlynsch @CrazyWolf712

I´ve been playing around with Pelinial + Prisoner for a while now and really like having those 15k crit-heals in Cyrodil

However, without Pelinial the healing capacities for a WW becomes slightly more limited, and I was wondering if there´re other ways to work around not using Pelinial. I know Trollking + Lingering HP pots are good, but it doesn´t help you with that huge burst heal that you sometimes really need (because lets face it, fighting a WW that constantly going from 30% to 100% HP with 1 or 2 heals is really annoying xD )

CrazyWolf712

Qbiken wrote: »

@Chrlynsch @CrazyWolf712

I´ve been playing around with Pelinial + Prisoner for a while now and really like having those 15k crit-heals in Cyrodil

However, without Pelinial the healing capacities for a WW becomes slightly more limited, and I was wondering if there´re other ways to work around not using Pelinial. I know Trollking + Lingering HP pots are good, but it doesn´t help you with that huge burst heal that you sometimes really need (because lets face it, fighting a WW that constantly going from 30% to 100% HP with 1 or 2 heals is really annoying xD )

@Qbiken
Troll King is still good to use. ErtTheWolf uses it and has mastered its healing capabilities. Once Trollking is active with a lingering health potion, it will stay active even if you go above the 50% mark with your regular heal. Also put champion points into healing done and healing received. Both will strengthen your heal.