Ebony Wolf Pack: Werewolf 101 || Updated for Greymoor

Chrlynsch

Qbiken wrote: »

@Chrlynsch @CrazyWolf712

I´ve been playing around with Pelinial + Prisoner for a while now and really like having those 15k crit-heals in Cyrodil

However, without Pelinial the healing capacities for a WW becomes slightly more limited, and I was wondering if there´re other ways to work around not using Pelinial. I know Trollking + Lingering HP pots are good, but it doesn´t help you with that huge burst heal that you sometimes really need (because lets face it, fighting a WW that constantly going from 30% to 100% HP with 1 or 2 heals is really annoying xD )

The Combo Troll king/Orgnum's works well on races with Healing Regen passives and even more if said race is also a nightblade.

You can then use a jewelry set such as hulking, shieldbreaker, Briarheart. To increase your damage.

The other solution is to build your spell damage another way.

An interesting combo is:

Kena, Shackelbreaker, way of air. Now your heals will never be close to the level that Pelinal's gives. This is due to the fact that you are not buffing spell damage. You most likely won't be running major sorcery.

This is the real reason that Pelinal's shines so bright on a werewolf. The extra 18% WD from savage strength, 20% from major brutality, and 10% from Hircine's Rage.

I have trouble trying the theory craft without Pelinal's on my wolf, it just synergizes too well.

Qbiken

Now that Kodi´s released a stamsorc build with prisoner (Pretty much the same setup Chrlynsch been using on his WW for a while) it might be a matter of time before people call for nerfs for the set.....

IlCanis_LupuslI

Had a 21k Hircined rage yesterday :-O
Malubeth procced + Pelinials + PvP passives (near a keep)

Qbiken

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Had a 21k Hircined rage yesterday :-O
Malubeth procced + Pelinials + PvP passives (near a keep)

But did you manage to kill anyone? xD

Highest I´ve had is 17,8k crit (not close to keep though)......My opponent started to run away since he´d been trying to get me down for a while (a tanky stamDK) and when he/she saw me getting from 15%HP back to almost full health he/she literally gave up xD. Got to love those moments

IlCanis_LupuslI

Don't worry all 4 of them died(1vs4) 2 of them total noobs, 1 half noob ans the 4th somewhat decent :-D
But u can ask the templar who I was duelling(2:0 for me) yesterday(cp 690 master palatine) ans his futile attwmpts to bol spamm himself back to full health ( claws of anguish I u, 45% healing reduced)
Im only trying to decide between prismatic onslaught vs oblivion damage on my infused offhand weapon , btw any advice on that??

Qbiken

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Don't worry all 4 of them died(1vs4) 2 of them total noobs, 1 half noob ans the 4th somewhat decent :-D
But u can ask the templar who I was duelling(2:0 for me) yesterday(cp 690 master palatine) ans his futile attwmpts to bol spamm himself back to full health ( claws of anguish I u, 45% healing reduced)
Im only trying to decide between prismatic onslaught vs oblivion damage on my infused offhand weapon , btw any advice on that??

I would go with increase weapon damage glyph on infused weapon off-hand and prismatic on main-hand.

CrazyWolf712

Qbiken wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Don't worry all 4 of them died(1vs4) 2 of them total noobs, 1 half noob ans the 4th somewhat decent :-D
But u can ask the templar who I was duelling(2:0 for me) yesterday(cp 690 master palatine) ans his futile attwmpts to bol spamm himself back to full health ( claws of anguish I u, 45% healing reduced)
Im only trying to decide between prismatic onslaught vs oblivion damage on my infused offhand weapon , btw any advice on that??

I would go with increase weapon damage glyph on infused weapon off-hand and prismatic on main-hand.

You would get more damage from your damage glyph on your main hand, especially if nirnhoned. 100% uptime in werewolf form for extra 400 Weapon damage.

Qbiken

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Don't worry all 4 of them died(1vs4) 2 of them total noobs, 1 half noob ans the 4th somewhat decent :-D
But u can ask the templar who I was duelling(2:0 for me) yesterday(cp 690 master palatine) ans his futile attwmpts to bol spamm himself back to full health ( claws of anguish I u, 45% healing reduced)
Im only trying to decide between prismatic onslaught vs oblivion damage on my infused offhand weapon , btw any advice on that??

I would go with increase weapon damage glyph on infused weapon off-hand and prismatic on main-hand.

You would get more damage from your damage glyph on your main hand, especially if nirnhoned. 100% uptime in werewolf form for extra 400 Weapon damage.

Does infused on off-hand buff mainhand enchant? Because then it would make sense

CrazyWolf712

Qbiken wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Don't worry all 4 of them died(1vs4) 2 of them total noobs, 1 half noob ans the 4th somewhat decent :-D
But u can ask the templar who I was duelling(2:0 for me) yesterday(cp 690 master palatine) ans his futile attwmpts to bol spamm himself back to full health ( claws of anguish I u, 45% healing reduced)
Im only trying to decide between prismatic onslaught vs oblivion damage on my infused offhand weapon , btw any advice on that??

I would go with increase weapon damage glyph on infused weapon off-hand and prismatic on main-hand.

You would get more damage from your damage glyph on your main hand, especially if nirnhoned. 100% uptime in werewolf form for extra 400 Weapon damage.

Does infused on off-hand buff mainhand enchant? Because then it would make sense

Off hand has 3% reduced damage. My husband and I tested it out. Having weapon damage glyph on a nirnhoned Weapon gave more damage than on infused since it increases the overall damage of the weapon. And with off hand having the reduced damage, you’re better off just having the damage buff on main. Since it procs on light attacks, it’ll always be active and will be the first of your enchants to proc.

Chrlynsch

I've personally have been using magic restore on my infused off hand and have been loving it. Allows be to get a nice chunk of magic back while on the offensive. Allowing me to sustain my heals through, 1k Regen, constitution, and the gylph, when it gets bad, turn on prisoner's.

Xvorg

Currently working on the storm wolf (stamsorc) S/B

1- Thunderbug 5 pieces (jewelry + weapon): good resistance, some spell dmg for healing and a very good proc. Charged weapon with a lit glyph for status (minor vul + minor defile)
2- Air (5 pieces armor): Very good set on 2, 3 and 5 pieces, the 4th piece could have something else. For poor wolf is a great option to Pelinal's and quite cheap
3- Neri: It should be Sellistrix or Malubeth, but I miss one piece. Even with that it is a decent option, especially when proc on howl.

Interesting thing's I've found: Stamsorcs make great WW for some reasons, including cost reduction (even ulti), implosion and energized. Also, hurricane seems the right skill before turning WW, adding Major ward and major resolve and a cool effect. Both procs (Neri and thunderbug) are around 2K live and the chance to add concusion, besides they have a small cooldown

I need to get my weapon to gold level, but with a purple one the dmg is decent...

CrazyWolf712

Chrlynsch wrote: »

I've personally have been using magic restore on my infused off hand and have been loving it. Allows be to get a nice chunk of magic back while on the offensive. Allowing me to sustain my heals through, 1k Regen, constitution, and the gylph, when it gets bad, turn on prisoner's.

It’s a good idea! As a werewolf, we really have no other way to get magicka back. May try it on my dps Wolf.

ScardyFox

OK, so gunna go with Shackle breaker and Black rose for PvP. I prefere to be tanky and hard to put down in PvP since you become a beacon for people when they see youre a were. Anyone have any objections so to speak? Just need to wait for my nirn dagger research to finish in two weeks

Chrlynsch

ScardyFox wrote: »

OK, so gunna go with Shackle breaker and Black rose for PvP. I prefere to be tanky and hard to put down in PvP since you become a beacon for people when they see youre a were. Anyone have any objections so to speak? Just need to wait for my nirn dagger research to finish in two weeks

If your looking for a tank PVP wolf try out Beekeeper/Trollking, I run it on my nightblade. My third set changes on my Situation, Orgnum's for troll werewolf or fasalla's guile for a walking meatbag.

CrazyWolf712

ScardyFox wrote: »

OK, so gunna go with Shackle breaker and Black rose for PvP. I prefere to be tanky and hard to put down in PvP since you become a beacon for people when they see youre a were. Anyone have any objections so to speak? Just need to wait for my nirn dagger research to finish in two weeks

Shacklebreaker and a Black Rose is a good combo. Add Troll King to it and use heal over time potions. Makes for a hard hitting tank build.

ScardyFox

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

OK, so gunna go with Shackle breaker and Black rose for PvP. I prefere to be tanky and hard to put down in PvP since you become a beacon for people when they see youre a were. Anyone have any objections so to speak? Just need to wait for my nirn dagger research to finish in two weeks

Shacklebreaker and a Black Rose is a good combo. Add Troll King to it and use heal over time potions. Makes for a hard hitting tank build.

Thanks dude, now I just need to figure out what to get for my PvE set that compliments my were AND nightblade

CrazyWolf712

ScardyFox wrote: »

CrazyWolf712 wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

OK, so gunna go with Shackle breaker and Black rose for PvP. I prefere to be tanky and hard to put down in PvP since you become a beacon for people when they see youre a were. Anyone have any objections so to speak? Just need to wait for my nirn dagger research to finish in two weeks

Shacklebreaker and a Black Rose is a good combo. Add Troll King to it and use heal over time potions. Makes for a hard hitting tank build.

Thanks dude, now I just need to figure out what to get for my PvE set that compliments my were AND nightblade

My PvE nightblade has Salvation, Hunding’s Rage, and Mighty Chudan. Max resistances, plenty of stats, 4500 weapon damage fully buffed, and 60% Weapon crit.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Im having very good results with Skeleton Pirate + Chuduan on my Dps Wolf (had to make him pretty tanky thou)

IlCanis_LupuslI

btw, dual nirnhoned, vs nirnhoned/infused
how much weapon damage difference is there if i have shock(minor vounerability ) on mainhand and weapon damage enchant on offfhand in both cases but infused gives me 142 more wd(enchant) but the nirnhoned offhand gives me more weapon damage aswell..
how high is the effective difference with the glyph procced and uunprocced weapon damage wise?

ScardyFox

Hm, I am almost ready to make my shackle breaker... but now I'm torn between shackle and Mechanical Acuity Set. Any advice?

I feel so derpy with my ability to not decide...

IlCanis_LupuslI

Shackle, hands down, its much better then the other set ive played it myself

ScardyFox

Will we see some justice in this patch.......

IlCanis_LupuslI

One lives in Hope lol

Sharee

ScardyFox wrote: »

You know, you could make a "state of the werewolf" topic with nothing but that picture, and it would be totally accurate, heh

Chrlynsch

Sharee wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

You know, you could make a "state of the werewolf" topic with nothing but that picture, and it would be totally accurate, heh

Lol

geonsocal

howdy my furry friends

just wondering if any one has tried using the barkskin set to help deal with all the roots/snares thrown our way once we transform?

Barkskin Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(5 items) Reduces the duration of immobilizations and snares on you by 50%. When an immobilization or snare is applied to you, heal for 2000 Health and restore 1000 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

started using the wyrd tree set on one of my wolves a while ago to help combat all the incoming poison - works great and helps with hircine's rage also...

i wear all heavy on both my active werewolves - so, when i am rooted - still hard to kill, but, all the heavy means i can only afford to break free every so often...

Chrlynsch

geonsocal wrote: »

howdy my furry friends

just wondering if any one has tried using the barkskin set to help deal with all the roots/snares thrown our way once we transform?

Barkskin Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(5 items) Reduces the duration of immobilizations and snares on you by 50%. When an immobilization or snare is applied to you, heal for 2000 Health and restore 1000 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

started using the wyrd tree set on one of my wolves a while ago to help combat all the incoming poison - works great and helps with hircine's rage also...

i wear all heavy on both my active werewolves - so, when i am rooted - still hard to kill, but, all the heavy means i can only afford to break free every so often...

I've played around with it. The main problem I have with it is you give up almost all of your offensive capabilities when you end up gearing around all of werewolf's weaknesses...

-If you want reliable heals, use Pelinal's
-If you want less effective snares toss on ranger
-Want a cheaper werewolf form toss on Salvation
-Need a purge... Wyrd Tree

Now most classes have ways to get all of these things, while retaining burst and survivability.

When the Werewolf was designed it was done so with far too many checks and balances.

Heck they give up basic gameplay functions and passives while in form.

- No resurrecting allies
- No sneaking
- No dropping Seige
-No mounting
- No heals for allies
- No Synergizing abilities
- No Ultimate generation while in form
- No weapon passives
- Loss of most class passives

All this on top of the fact that staying in form is not easy in overworld PVP even in a group of 4 wolves.

Did you know, It is impossible to make the run from Chalman to Bleakers without bringing along a sacrifice if there is no combat in between?

The silly thing is that same group of 4 werewolves could stay in form for hours if they were in combat. The same group of werewolves could remain in form the entire duration of a battlegrounds match, heck I've done it before as a solo wolf, along with single transformation VMA runs. So why do they have the timer? It isn't for actual combat balance.

geonsocal

Hi @Chrlynsch ...i appreciate the insight...

the ranger's gait set looks a whole lot better than barkskin...

Ranger's Gait Set
(2 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(4 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(5 items) Reduce the effectiveness of snares applied to you by 50%.
(5 items) Adds 121 Stamina Recovery

from what i can remember - pretty cheap set to buy too...thanks

Edit: akatosh knows - i could use the help with my stam recovery...need to just decide whether to switch out the crest of cyrodiil or 7th legion set...

IlCanis_LupuslI

Hopefully some1 from Zenimax is registering the complaintss from a "Werwolf point of View " @ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_Wrobel

CrazyWolf712

Chrlynsch wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

howdy my furry friends

just wondering if any one has tried using the barkskin set to help deal with all the roots/snares thrown our way once we transform?

Barkskin Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(5 items) Reduces the duration of immobilizations and snares on you by 50%. When an immobilization or snare is applied to you, heal for 2000 Health and restore 1000 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

started using the wyrd tree set on one of my wolves a while ago to help combat all the incoming poison - works great and helps with hircine's rage also...

i wear all heavy on both my active werewolves - so, when i am rooted - still hard to kill, but, all the heavy means i can only afford to break free every so often...

I've played around with it. The main problem I have with it is you give up almost all of your offensive capabilities when you end up gearing around all of werewolf's weaknesses...

-If you want reliable heals, use Pelinal's
-If you want less effective snares toss on ranger
-Want a cheaper werewolf form toss on Salvation
-Need a purge... Wyrd Tree

Now most classes have ways to get all of these things, while retaining burst and survivability.

When the Werewolf was designed it was done so with far too many checks and balances.

Heck they give up basic gameplay functions and passives while in form.

- No resurrecting allies
- No sneaking
- No dropping Seige
-No mounting
- No heals for allies
- No Synergizing abilities
- No Ultimate generation while in form
- No weapon passives
- Loss of most class passives

All this on top of the fact that staying in form is not easy in overworld PVP even in a group of 4 wolves.

Did you know, It is impossible to make the run from Chalman to Bleakers without bringing along a sacrifice if there is no combat in between?

The silly thing is that same group of 4 werewolves could stay in form for hours if they were in combat. The same group of werewolves could remain in form the entire duration of a battlegrounds match, heck I've done it before as a solo wolf, along with single transformation VMA runs. So why do they have the timer? It isn't for actual combat balance.

The reason the timer and “balances” are there is because the werewolf at the end of the day is still just an ultimate, a temporary increase in power. If it was it’s own class, then we’d be able to do all these things and stay in form with no timer. We would have more abilities to play with but we’d be the most overpowered builds in the game. That’s why the werewolf is the way it is.