Please ruin Skoria set the way you ruined all the other proc sets

Apache_Kid

No more nerfs!

Caza99

I'm still trying to process people telling Xylena she needs to L2P...

Waffennacht

Caza99 wrote: »

I'm still trying to process people telling Xylena she needs to L2P...

Well it's not like she posted an unbiased thread, it's just dripping with spite, not saying she does need to, just saying you're gonna get those kinds of responses stating opinions like that

Calboy

Caza99 wrote: »

I'm still trying to process people telling Xylena she needs to L2P...

I see this xylene newb has sent a bunch of her zerg guild buddies to back her up

Jawasa

Scoria is just like all other proc sets was before nerfs tbh. Only set that's is even worse is earthgore atm. I use both ofc.

Ragnaroek93

But Skoria and Shadowrend can't be OP because they are magicka sets

Seriously, Skoria needs to get slain by the nerf hammer (same as Shadowrend), unbelievable how people still defend this broken sets lol.

Derra

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

it´s always funny seeing ppl defend skoria these days.

Sure it´s totally fine. That´s why magbuilds without any "native" dots (magsorc) equip it and equip dots to use it.
That´s also why stambuilds make setups to use it - because it has horrible proccconditions and is absolutely on the same level as other proccsets.

-_-

Because it's first bonus is universal and it's trigger is not tied to specific dot damage

Other monster sets when used at range (if you can even trigger it) become wildly inaccurate or just plain worthless (kragh at range lulz)

Skoria isn't used in a multitude of builds because it's the end all be all, but because other options are incredibly limited.

The only other set I can think of that would even come close to replacing Skoria would be nerienth and it just isn't fast enough

So if all other option are somehow limited and skoria outperforms then on stamina and magica builds alike because it does not share those or other limitations:
Isn´t that the definition of overperforming when compared to other proccdmg sets?

Subversus

Curragraigue wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

It's fine as is. Learn to listen and watch what's going on and get better at the game rather than asking for zos to make it easier for you. You guys will still get beat up by anyone half decent.

Telling Xylena to git gud, lel

Git gud xylena, lel

lel

No really who the *** is xylena, lel

lel

Chilly-McFreeze

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

it´s always funny seeing ppl defend skoria these days.

Sure it´s totally fine. That´s why magbuilds without any "native" dots (magsorc) equip it and equip dots to use it.
That´s also why stambuilds make setups to use it - because it has horrible proccconditions and is absolutely on the same level as other proccsets.

-_-

Because it's first bonus is universal and it's trigger is not tied to specific dot damage

Other monster sets when used at range (if you can even trigger it) become wildly inaccurate or just plain worthless (kragh at range lulz)

Skoria isn't used in a multitude of builds because it's the end all be all, but because other options are incredibly limited.

The only other set I can think of that would even come close to replacing Skoria would be nerienth and it just isn't fast enough

So if all other option are somehow limited and skoria outperforms then on stamina and magica builds alike because it does not share those or other limitations:
Isn´t that the definition of overperforming when compared to other proccdmg sets?

So are you saying skoria outperforms selene, stormfist and every other monster set or are you saying skoria outperforms "stamina monster sets" on magicka builds/ "magicka monster sets" on stamina builds?

UppGRAYxDD

No more nerfs ppl...first let's just ask for ZoS to fix the ******* load screens, then you can get back on the nerf everything to make the pleb casuals happy horse.

lazerlaz

Calboy wrote: »

It's fine as is. Learn to listen and watch what's going on and get better at the game rather than asking for zos to make it easier for you. You guys will still get beat up by anyone half decent.

Exactly. Seriously people start getting better at the game. Stop asking for handicaps. Skoria already has and indicator and it's damage was nerfed awhile back.

Jawasa

@lazerlaz what dmg nerf? One tameriel buffed proc and dmg.

Ragnaroek93

This thread proves once again that the magicka community is a bunch of hypocrites. You cried (in the name of balance) for nerfs to all stamina proc sets, but no, your magicka cheese sets are totally fine. Totally not regretting that I cancelled ESO+ and uninstalled. Enjoy your shieldstack vs shieldstack, shieldstack vs blocktard and blocktard vs blocktard meta, may this game die once BDO releases on console.

lazerlaz

Jawasa wrote: »

@lazerlaz what dmg nerf? One tameriel buffed proc and dmg.

Do some research bud. To help you start I'll state and obvious one, can't crit anymore.

Jawasa

@lazerlaz Thats a general nerf to procs. Other proc sets got that and several nerfs. But Sure whatever makes you think you are good at pvp.

Ragnaroek93

lazerlaz wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

@lazerlaz what dmg nerf? One tameriel buffed proc and dmg.

Do some research bud. To help you start I'll state and obvious one, can't crit anymore.

Good that stamina proc sets can still crit...

xylena

Skoria needs either

(A) to be dodgeable

(B) a 1-second delay and telegraph circle

Now queue the SnB blocktatoes with $800 headsets BUT THERE'S AN AUDIO CUE AND U CAN BLOCK

Derra

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

it´s always funny seeing ppl defend skoria these days.

Sure it´s totally fine. That´s why magbuilds without any "native" dots (magsorc) equip it and equip dots to use it.
That´s also why stambuilds make setups to use it - because it has horrible proccconditions and is absolutely on the same level as other proccsets.

-_-

Because it's first bonus is universal and it's trigger is not tied to specific dot damage

Other monster sets when used at range (if you can even trigger it) become wildly inaccurate or just plain worthless (kragh at range lulz)

Skoria isn't used in a multitude of builds because it's the end all be all, but because other options are incredibly limited.

The only other set I can think of that would even come close to replacing Skoria would be nerienth and it just isn't fast enough

So if all other option are somehow limited and skoria outperforms then on stamina and magica builds alike because it does not share those or other limitations:
Isn´t that the definition of overperforming when compared to other proccdmg sets?

So are you saying skoria outperforms selene, stormfist and every other monster set or are you saying skoria outperforms "stamina monster sets" on magicka builds/ "magicka monster sets" on stamina builds?

I´m saying that skoria outperforms any other offensive monsterset - when you meet procc conditions (which are only really hard to meet for stamblade, magsorc and warden).

It´s just not even a contest: If you want sth offensive you go for skoria - nothing else is even worth consideration.

WuffyCerulei

Don't go asking for nerfs if it's gonna ruin a good amount of pve builds.

Minno

Reason not to nerf skoria:
- slimecraw would dominate and everyone would call to nerf that set.
- nerfing skoria would be a Nerf to mdks
- because you can't control the proc and it's an aoe DMG, it must remain undodgeable. Also making it dodgable would mean the set is intended for direct Attack abilities, and there would be no difference between skoria or nerienith.

It should receive a telegraph. But really that's it.

ak_pvp

Derra wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

it´s always funny seeing ppl defend skoria these days.

Sure it´s totally fine. That´s why magbuilds without any "native" dots (magsorc) equip it and equip dots to use it.
That´s also why stambuilds make setups to use it - because it has horrible proccconditions and is absolutely on the same level as other proccsets.

-_-

Because it's first bonus is universal and it's trigger is not tied to specific dot damage

Other monster sets when used at range (if you can even trigger it) become wildly inaccurate or just plain worthless (kragh at range lulz)

Skoria isn't used in a multitude of builds because it's the end all be all, but because other options are incredibly limited.

The only other set I can think of that would even come close to replacing Skoria would be nerienth and it just isn't fast enough

So if all other option are somehow limited and skoria outperforms then on stamina and magica builds alike because it does not share those or other limitations:
Isn´t that the definition of overperforming when compared to other proccdmg sets?

So are you saying skoria outperforms selene, stormfist and every other monster set or are you saying skoria outperforms "stamina monster sets" on magicka builds/ "magicka monster sets" on stamina builds?

I´m saying that skoria outperforms any other offensive monsterset - when you meet procc conditions (which are only really hard to meet for stamblade, magsorc and warden).

It´s just not even a contest: If you want sth offensive you go for skoria - nothing else is even worth consideration.

So no slimecraw, nor bloodspawn allowing more ultis? Grothdarr for melee magades.

WillhelmBlack

I'm absolutely ok with removing all damage procs out of PvP.

Derra

ak_pvp wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

it´s always funny seeing ppl defend skoria these days.

Sure it´s totally fine. That´s why magbuilds without any "native" dots (magsorc) equip it and equip dots to use it.
That´s also why stambuilds make setups to use it - because it has horrible proccconditions and is absolutely on the same level as other proccsets.

-_-

Because it's first bonus is universal and it's trigger is not tied to specific dot damage

Other monster sets when used at range (if you can even trigger it) become wildly inaccurate or just plain worthless (kragh at range lulz)

Skoria isn't used in a multitude of builds because it's the end all be all, but because other options are incredibly limited.

The only other set I can think of that would even come close to replacing Skoria would be nerienth and it just isn't fast enough

So if all other option are somehow limited and skoria outperforms then on stamina and magica builds alike because it does not share those or other limitations:
Isn´t that the definition of overperforming when compared to other proccdmg sets?

So are you saying skoria outperforms selene, stormfist and every other monster set or are you saying skoria outperforms "stamina monster sets" on magicka builds/ "magicka monster sets" on stamina builds?

I´m saying that skoria outperforms any other offensive monsterset - when you meet procc conditions (which are only really hard to meet for stamblade, magsorc and warden).

It´s just not even a contest: If you want sth offensive you go for skoria - nothing else is even worth consideration.

So no slimecraw, nor bloodspawn allowing more ultis? Grothdarr for melee magades.

Slimecraw is the most niche set i can think of tbh. NB gains the buff native by their best burst skill. Warden gains the buff - which leaves basically only DW sorc - as slimecraw will get outperformed by 5 5 1 builds.
Who uses slimecraw apart from those?

Bloodspawn is a defensive set and grothdarrr one melee magblade is somewhat of a special case as melee blade can fall under the category of not having the means to procc skoria.

Waffennacht

@Derra just fyi, Templars usually run slimecraw

Derra

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Derra just fyi, Templars usually run slimecraw

I have not seen a single templar wearing slimecraw ever since i´ve picked up dueling again (6 months ago) on pc eu - ever.
Not one.

Also i wouldn´t wear slimecraw for dmg if you´d pay me to do it. It barely performs better than 1x dmg 1x stat and does not boost healing while doing that. Terrible choice overall - imho.

Araxleon

xylena wrote: »

Skoria needs either

(A) to be dodgeable

(B) a 1-second delay and telegraph circle

Now queue the SnB blocktatoes with $800 headsets BUT THERE'S AN AUDIO CUE AND U CAN BLOCK

As someone who knows you have played this game since the beginning HOW DARE YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION

jokes aside

thats all it really needs... its not even a nerf, just ways to avoid it easier

Waffennacht

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Derra just fyi, Templars usually run slimecraw

I have not seen a single templar wearing slimecraw ever since i´ve picked up dueling again (6 months ago) on pc eu - ever.
Not one.

Also i wouldn´t wear slimecraw for dmg if you´d pay me to do it. It barely performs better than 1x dmg 1x stat and does not boost healing while doing that. Terrible choice overall - imho.

I should have said if it were to be ran, it's most likely to be a Templar. Though I do know some really good players that swear by it on a warden (dropping bird O Prey for something else)

8% definitely should be worth around 400 DMG (im basing this off of lethal arrow, at 15k 8% is 1.3k added DMG, while 129 wpn DMG will buff it up to 15.5k ish), so it should out perform 258 wpn DMG.

Not gonna say you should run it, it's just an option.

Personally, Selene or Velidreth are excellent proc sets in BGs. Hitting hard and potentially more than 1 player.

What made proc sets OP was the 20k+ DMG in 1/2 GCDs. Skoria, has a 4 sec delay? (Iirc) meaning it impossible to kill in 1/2 GCDs via skoria.

The DMG of proc sets wasn't what made them OP.

Vaoh

Skoria is currently the only Max Health monster set that a PvE DPS can use effectively. Nerf the damage on it and that won’t be the case anymore.

But nevermind that.... Sypher and every other great player killed you so if you nerf their gear then you won’t die anymore, right?

ak_pvp

Derra wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

it´s always funny seeing ppl defend skoria these days.

Sure it´s totally fine. That´s why magbuilds without any "native" dots (magsorc) equip it and equip dots to use it.
That´s also why stambuilds make setups to use it - because it has horrible proccconditions and is absolutely on the same level as other proccsets.

-_-

Because it's first bonus is universal and it's trigger is not tied to specific dot damage

Other monster sets when used at range (if you can even trigger it) become wildly inaccurate or just plain worthless (kragh at range lulz)

Skoria isn't used in a multitude of builds because it's the end all be all, but because other options are incredibly limited.

The only other set I can think of that would even come close to replacing Skoria would be nerienth and it just isn't fast enough

So if all other option are somehow limited and skoria outperforms then on stamina and magica builds alike because it does not share those or other limitations:
Isn´t that the definition of overperforming when compared to other proccdmg sets?

So are you saying skoria outperforms selene, stormfist and every other monster set or are you saying skoria outperforms "stamina monster sets" on magicka builds/ "magicka monster sets" on stamina builds?

I´m saying that skoria outperforms any other offensive monsterset - when you meet procc conditions (which are only really hard to meet for stamblade, magsorc and warden).

It´s just not even a contest: If you want sth offensive you go for skoria - nothing else is even worth consideration.

So no slimecraw, nor bloodspawn allowing more ultis? Grothdarr for melee magades.

Slimecraw is the most niche set i can think of tbh. NB gains the buff native by their best burst skill. Warden gains the buff - which leaves basically only DW sorc - as slimecraw will get outperformed by 5 5 1 builds.
Who uses slimecraw apart from those?

Bloodspawn is a defensive set and grothdarrr one melee magblade is somewhat of a special case as melee blade can fall under the category of not having the means to procc skoria.

As stated, templars do often use it, stamplars specifically. Bloodspawn may be "defensive" but it provides very good offense too. Shadowrend has niche uses. (To the point I see someone above crying over it.) Melee magblade lacks clench, but still has usable dots.

techprince

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