Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »On behalf of the rest of the community, we hope you stick around.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I would almost just say give up on it if the most you can achieve is 6k dps.
That isn't meant to be offensive. But it's just so absurdly low, there's an argument that you should just quit trying to dps, at least with that toon.
I would suggest to you, make a new toon or just switch roles.
That's just silly advice. If he was playing one of the tougher classes like a stamblade and pulling 6k, I might suggest try something a little easier, but this is simply a case of needing pointed in the right direction towards a proper rotation and build, and of course, OP is going to need to spend some hours on a target dummy. If on PC/NA, you are always welcome to use mine. I have all the mundus stones and 6 dummies, so its usually a party Bearclaw Manor. The more the merrier.
Tanks and Healers frankly both take as much or more skill to do effectively, and a sorc HA build is about as easy as it gets for DPS right now. You are basically telling him to uninstall the game. On behalf of the rest of the community, we hope you stick around. Nobody starts pulling 40k out of the gate, despite what they say on the forums.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I would almost just say give up on it if the most you can achieve is 6k dps.
That isn't meant to be offensive. But it's just so absurdly low, there's an argument that you should just quit trying to dps, at least with that toon.
I would suggest to you, make a new toon or just switch roles.
That's just silly advice. If he was playing one of the tougher classes like a stamblade and pulling 6k, I might suggest try something a little easier, but this is simply a case of needing pointed in the right direction towards a proper rotation and build, and of course, OP is going to need to spend some hours on a target dummy. If on PC/NA, you are always welcome to use mine. I have all the mundus stones and 6 dummies, so its usually a party Bearclaw Manor. The more the merrier.
Tanks and Healers frankly both take as much or more skill to do effectively, and a sorc HA build is about as easy as it gets for DPS right now. You are basically telling him to uninstall the game. On behalf of the rest of the community, we hope you stick around. Nobody starts pulling 40k out of the gate, despite what they say on the forums.
That's fine, but I can tell you that I don't enjoy grouping with a dps of these numbers whether it be in group finder or other circumstances.
If you like to play with them, have at it. But I prefer to encourage everyone to perform at the best of their capability, even if it means switching roles because it wasn't working out.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I would almost just say give up on it if the most you can achieve is 6k dps.
That isn't meant to be offensive. But it's just so absurdly low, there's an argument that you should just quit trying to dps, at least with that toon.
I would suggest to you, make a new toon or just switch roles.
That's just silly advice. If he was playing one of the tougher classes like a stamblade and pulling 6k, I might suggest try something a little easier, but this is simply a case of needing pointed in the right direction towards a proper rotation and build, and of course, OP is going to need to spend some hours on a target dummy. If on PC/NA, you are always welcome to use mine. I have all the mundus stones and 6 dummies, so its usually a party Bearclaw Manor. The more the merrier.
Tanks and Healers frankly both take as much or more skill to do effectively, and a sorc HA build is about as easy as it gets for DPS right now. You are basically telling him to uninstall the game. On behalf of the rest of the community, we hope you stick around. Nobody starts pulling 40k out of the gate, despite what they say on the forums.
That's fine, but I can tell you that I don't enjoy grouping with a dps of these numbers whether it be in group finder or other circumstances.
If you like to play with them, have at it. But I prefer to encourage everyone to perform at the best of their capability, even if it means switching roles because it wasn't working out.
This is not a case of a person queuing for group finder as DPS with sword and board and a resto staff that gives you the finger when you try to make a suggestion. This is a guy that has realized his DPS needs work and has come to the forums for help. Well, you are not being helpful in any way whatsoever. Some of us are trying because we realize that MMOs are only as good as the community that plays them. There is no easier roll than DPS as a Magic Sorc, and there is no better way to break into end game content, which is what OP is trying to do.
DOT = Damage Over Timewhy do you (can't remember who posted it) have the dots on the 2nd bar when you always start with them? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the 1st?
I tried the "proper" rotation again and went from 6k dps to 7k. Oh well. Obviously I'm still extremely clumsy with it, but I guess I will not be able to squeeze more than 8k out of it.
When I look at my character sheet, I see (I have removed the Cultist set and am back to Netch+Sorrow): 1255 Spell damage, 64% crit, 7k spell penetration. I suspect the spell damage should be higher, but before I upgrade my gear (which I will, i.e. glyphs etc.), I have some further questions:
1) Considering I am around CP210, what would you say the priorities are? I think I am looking for carefully distributing the points among the most important passives, but I am not entirely sure which ones should take priority (like dot dmg over shock dmg, direct dmg, etc.).
2) Staff enchants. My staff is Precise. Is there anything terribly wrong about that, or shall I look for something else? I would consider Sharpened, but I heard it was useless after the recent nerf.
3) Rotation and quickbars: why do you (can't remember who posted it) have the dots on the 2nd bar when you always start with them? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the 1st?
Anyway, I will see how this works (and yes, I really do not intend to use pets - I just hate them and they add to the already significant confusion): bar1: LL, Blockade, Curse, Wrath (unsure), Ward, Meteor. Bar2: Pulse, Clench, Surge, Boundless storm, Dark exchange, Thunderous rage. Again, this is just a first attempt to get a feel for completely different bars than what I've been physically comfortable with all the time.
Nord_Templar wrote: »The worst thing is that the game has turned into a contest, who deals more damage per second, you or another player.
This game is hell, and demons are violence, greed, vanity.
Demons who torture and eat our time, our lives.
The demons that we created for ourselves.
I tried the "proper" rotation again and went from 6k dps to 7k. Oh well. Obviously I'm still extremely clumsy with it, but I guess I will not be able to squeeze more than 8k out of it.
When I look at my character sheet, I see (I have removed the Cultist set and am back to Netch+Sorrow): 1255 Spell damage, 64% crit, 7k spell penetration. I suspect the spell damage should be higher, but before I upgrade my gear (which I will, i.e. glyphs etc.), I have some further questions:
1) Considering I am around CP210, what would you say the priorities are? I think I am looking for carefully distributing the points among the most important passives, but I am not entirely sure which ones should take priority (like dot dmg over shock dmg, direct dmg, etc.).
2) Staff enchants. My staff is Precise. Is there anything terribly wrong about that, or shall I look for something else? I would consider Sharpened, but I heard it was useless after the recent nerf.
3) Rotation and quickbars: why do you (can't remember who posted it) have the dots on the 2nd bar when you always start with them? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the 1st?
Anyway, I will see how this works (and yes, I really do not intend to use pets - I just hate them and they add to the already significant confusion): bar1: LL, Blockade, Curse, Wrath (unsure), Ward, Meteor. Bar2: Pulse, Clench, Surge, Boundless storm, Dark exchange, Thunderous rage. Again, this is just a first attempt to get a feel for completely different bars than what I've been physically comfortable with all the time.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I tried the "proper" rotation again and went from 6k dps to 7k. Oh well. Obviously I'm still extremely clumsy with it, but I guess I will not be able to squeeze more than 8k out of it.
When I look at my character sheet, I see (I have removed the Cultist set and am back to Netch+Sorrow): 1255 Spell damage, 64% crit, 7k spell penetration. I suspect the spell damage should be higher, but before I upgrade my gear (which I will, i.e. glyphs etc.), I have some further questions:
1) Considering I am around CP210, what would you say the priorities are? I think I am looking for carefully distributing the points among the most important passives, but I am not entirely sure which ones should take priority (like dot dmg over shock dmg, direct dmg, etc.).
2) Staff enchants. My staff is Precise. Is there anything terribly wrong about that, or shall I look for something else? I would consider Sharpened, but I heard it was useless after the recent nerf.
3) Rotation and quickbars: why do you (can't remember who posted it) have the dots on the 2nd bar when you always start with them? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them on the 1st?
Anyway, I will see how this works (and yes, I really do not intend to use pets - I just hate them and they add to the already significant confusion): bar1: LL, Blockade, Curse, Wrath (unsure), Ward, Meteor. Bar2: Pulse, Clench, Surge, Boundless storm, Dark exchange, Thunderous rage. Again, this is just a first attempt to get a feel for completely different bars than what I've been physically comfortable with all the time.
Now you are gonna make me sound harsh. haha. Use pets or change classes. If you want a ranged magic DPS but dont want a pet, you should play magic Nightblade. You are basically taking your biggest class advantage and saying, nah, I dont want to use it. It's like a DK saying I dont want to use fire damage or a templar refusing to use Jesus Beam. The Pet AI is MUCH better than it used to be. They will automatically target anything you do a heavy attack on. Pet passives give extra health, which combined with Necro gear means you can get to 50k+ magic and 18.5k health. One of a sorcs biggest class advantage is raw stats. Play to that.
Precise is blah these days. Infused staff with a shock enchant will do 3k on its own. Sharp is better than precise for sure, and at your CP, it might even be better than infused.
As to rotation, you can setup your bars anyway you want. Either way you are going to hit your bar swap button about every 4-5 seconds. Most people put buffs and DOTs on one bar and build the other bar for their spam skills and heavy attacking. The heavy attack bars I gave you have a few advantages. First, all your DOTs can quickly be cast from your back bar. Second, your execute and shield are both on a bar that is going to have a buff to max magic and spell crit with inner light so they are more effective. If you look at the FP bars I gave you, it makes the rotation more complicate because you are splitting your DOTS over multiple bars. It also moves your shield to your back bar, which is always a little tougher in an emergency. The upside is that you spend a bit more time on your front bar which gives you more chances to proc your frags and you spend more time on a bar that has better stats.
Your spell damage is ridiculously low. Your crit if anything is a touch high. Spell pen is a bit low, but a good group helps there. Also, be sure you have your light armor passives. I might suggest giving us a video of your target dummy rotation. It would help us see what is going on. You need to figure out where you are getting major sorcery (potions or power surge) and you need spell damage enchants on your jewelry. A gold front bar weapon will also give your spell damage a big boost.
If you are dead set on a non pet sorc, you will want shock clench as one of your DOTs and there is no reason to run frags. Netch doesnt boost magic damage only shock damage.
Yes, I know. Like I said - I am in the process of figuring what exactly to do with my gear and then start upgrading.
What a dumb, dumb post. Sorry, there is no different possible way to put it. He only started playing the game recently... I suppose, according to your reasoning, it is impossible for people to learn and improve? What the hell dude? OP is asking questions and being critical of himself. That is the 1st step towards improvement.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I would almost just say give up on it if the most you can achieve is 6k dps.
That isn't meant to be offensive. But it's just so absurdly low, there's an argument that you should just quit trying to dps, at least with that toon.
I would suggest to you, make a new toon or just switch roles.
That's just silly advice. If he was playing one of the tougher classes like a stamblade and pulling 6k, I might suggest try something a little easier, but this is simply a case of needing pointed in the right direction towards a proper rotation and build, and of course, OP is going to need to spend some hours on a target dummy. If on PC/NA, you are always welcome to use mine. I have all the mundus stones and 6 dummies, so its usually a party Bearclaw Manor. The more the merrier.
Tanks and Healers frankly both take as much or more skill to do effectively, and a sorc HA build is about as easy as it gets for DPS right now. You are basically telling him to uninstall the game. On behalf of the rest of the community, we hope you stick around. Nobody starts pulling 40k out of the gate, despite what they say on the forums.
That's fine, but I can tell you that I don't enjoy grouping with a dps of these numbers whether it be in group finder or other circumstances.
If you like to play with them, have at it. But I prefer to encourage everyone to perform at the best of their capability, even if it means switching roles because it wasn't working out.
DPS is the hardest role. It's the most prevalent, but it is also the most difficult to perform at an adequate level.
Hi OP.
If your Spell Damage is only 1255, you are not using a GOLD (highest quality) staff, since a GOLD staff will give you 1335 Spell and Weapon Damage all on it's own.
Then you can add to that at least one enchantment on a ring or necklace for 174 more spell damage (when your Champion Points get higher you can start to convert these all to Spell Damage) for a total of 1509 Spell Damage (1857 once you can use more Champion Points for better sustain)
I'll know more when I change the enchantments on jewellry and add one to the staff.
The armour obviously is CP160, but right now it's mostly blue (not going to waste tempers on the Sorrow set when I'll replace it with Julianos).
Do you think I should use different stone than Thief? And speaking of Lover stone, how much spell penetration is acceptable?
DeathHouseInc wrote: »When do you use rotation? Is it situational or 24/7? Every time i try rotations on whatever of my 8 alts gold gear my already bad dps drops a huge amount.
I also find this to be true on every alt I have tried to improve dps on by incorporating light or heavy weaving attacks. Is the purpose of weaving attacks just to save resources or something? Certainly doesn't seem to be dmg because every dps skill I use does more than a basic attack. I know it generates ultimate as well but it does that for 9 seconds just never saw a reason to use it more than that or better results doing it. Kind of frustrating because the weaving just makes me dislike the combat in this game by making it stupidly monotonous no matter the class.
DeathHouseInc wrote: »When do you use rotation? Is it situational or 24/7? Every time i try rotations on whatever of my 8 alts gold gear my already bad dps drops a huge amount.
I also find this to be true on every alt I have tried to improve dps on by incorporating light or heavy weaving attacks. Is the purpose of weaving attacks just to save resources or something? Certainly doesn't seem to be dmg because every dps skill I use does more than a basic attack. I know it generates ultimate as well but it does that for 9 seconds just never saw a reason to use it more than that or better results doing it. Kind of frustrating because the weaving just makes me dislike the combat in this game by making it stupidly monotonous no matter the class.
What a dumb, dumb post. Sorry, there is no different possible way to put it. He only started playing the game recently... I suppose, according to your reasoning, it is impossible for people to learn and improve? What the hell dude? OP is asking questions and being critical of himself. That is the 1st step towards improvement.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I would almost just say give up on it if the most you can achieve is 6k dps.
That isn't meant to be offensive. But it's just so absurdly low, there's an argument that you should just quit trying to dps, at least with that toon.
I would suggest to you, make a new toon or just switch roles.
That's just silly advice. If he was playing one of the tougher classes like a stamblade and pulling 6k, I might suggest try something a little easier, but this is simply a case of needing pointed in the right direction towards a proper rotation and build, and of course, OP is going to need to spend some hours on a target dummy. If on PC/NA, you are always welcome to use mine. I have all the mundus stones and 6 dummies, so its usually a party Bearclaw Manor. The more the merrier.
Tanks and Healers frankly both take as much or more skill to do effectively, and a sorc HA build is about as easy as it gets for DPS right now. You are basically telling him to uninstall the game. On behalf of the rest of the community, we hope you stick around. Nobody starts pulling 40k out of the gate, despite what they say on the forums.
That's fine, but I can tell you that I don't enjoy grouping with a dps of these numbers whether it be in group finder or other circumstances.
If you like to play with them, have at it. But I prefer to encourage everyone to perform at the best of their capability, even if it means switching roles because it wasn't working out.
DPS is the hardest role. It's the most prevalent, but it is also the most difficult to perform at an adequate level.
Honestly, just get your selfish entitled [snip] out of this thread. Nobody cares that you don't like playing with low dps.
DeathHouseInc wrote: »When do you use rotation? Is it situational or 24/7? Every time i try rotations on whatever of my 8 alts gold gear my already bad dps drops a huge amount.
I also find this to be true on every alt I have tried to improve dps on by incorporating light or heavy weaving attacks. Is the purpose of weaving attacks just to save resources or something? Certainly doesn't seem to be dmg because every dps skill I use does more than a basic attack. I know it generates ultimate as well but it does that for 9 seconds just never saw a reason to use it more than that or better results doing it. Kind of frustrating because the weaving just makes me dislike the combat in this game by making it stupidly monotonous no matter the class.