Why Can't Anyone Let A Person 1v1?

Biro123

Thogard wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Best way to get people to not add onto your fights are to not add onto theirs.

Fortunately, the players that tend to respect that unspoken "gentlemen's agreement" tend to be the more talented players, and the ones that add on tend to be bad.

If I'm playing DC and in a 1v1 against a talented player, and another D.C. Scrub adds on, I'll pull out and let my opponent kill the add and then reengage me.

Unless they're a nightblade. I will always kill all nightblades. If a stealther wanted to 1vX then it wouldn't hide in cloak and attack when you're least prepared for it.

@Thogard agreed. Although there are some good melee NBs out there. Or people who use cloak within reason lol and won't just keep resetting the fight. Anyway I guess not many people feel the way we do. You'd think I'd asked ZOS to completely scrub group pvp and replace cyrodiil with a giant dueling ring lol. I guess if I'd seen this post by someone else when I started pvp I would have been one of the people telling them to duel outside Cyro.

Seriously, though.. I've seen games where the community went that way before - it totally killed off faction vs faction PVP. Once some start not adding, more do (especially if its the renowned players).. then there quickly comes a point where that's the 'expected' way to play - and yes, when that happens, all you do have is one giant duelling ring.

What it does is kill off small group vs zerg PvP and turns it into small group vs small group, and zerg vs zerg.

This game's PvP system is a direct copy of DAoC's. my background is from DAoC. If a soloer is a soloer i won't gank them if i'm in a group, unless they're a noob that adds onto our fights.

I think you're underestimating how many casual players there are that will make the outcome you foresee not come to pass.

Yeah, I played DAOC too. The single biggest difference there (if I remember it correctly) that is relevant is that you could only benefit from others heals and buffs while grouped, and classes were designed to have to rely on others for mobility/heals/buffs.. making the effective strength differential between groups/soloers much different.

But I also played Warhammer Online, where the open lakes DID just become a duelling arena.

Perhaps currently there are enough casuals to stop that outcome.. But I also suspect you underestimate how many of those casuals want to be recognised/respected by the leet duellers, and so start playing by their rules. Especially when you see threads like this by people complaining about being added on. I'm looking at what it leads to and refuse to be part of what will make it happen.

Kartalin

Integral1900 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

It's a free for all, you want a duel, come join us civilised types in pve land

What if OP wants no-cp duels?

Oh please.... on pc Europe in prime time the cp campaigns are rammed and the none cp are all but deserted. I know this because I'm signed onto a no cp so that I can always get to the golden vendor None cp here at least is a total bust. I don't pvp because of a fairly severe psychological disorder but there are so few players there that even I can sneak in and grab lore books and sky shards

OP plays in PC/NA where it's more populated. Sorry.

vamp_emily wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

This is the most baffling thing. If you see a member of your faction 1v1 against a member of another faction, why do you run in with your group of ten and zerg them down?

1) It proves nothing. It doesn't prove the person you killed got "rekt" or sucks, it doesn't prove you and the 5+ people with you are good.
2) Those two people aren't going to change the course of the battle so just leave them alone, why bother? You're not getting any exp or ap really.
3) Maybe they wanted to test their skill 1v1 and no they don't want to leave Cyro, 1v1 battles should be a part of war. And honestly, if it looks like a good fight chances are the person on your team doesn't want your "help," because they prob would have been fine without you. Honestly they probably shook their heads and sighed at the crumbling state of good pvp and then went and apologized to their opponent for you.
4) Dying in cyro means nothing. If youre wearing mostly impen your gear doesnt break down, you dont lose money or ap or anything. The only consequence is likely a short ride back to where you were.
5) It isn't at all cool to soul assault gank someone in the middle of a 1v1.

Times when it MIGHT be ok to intervene is if your team member is getting sniped by some *** in the trees or theyre outnumbered. Or, one person is taking out an FC or capturing a critical resource, or youre a smaller group and need every person you can get to take a keep etc. Still I even let an outnumbered team member fight it out if it looks like they can handle it.

Look I get it, the heat of battle and getting zerged down is part of Cyro open world pvp. But, just pause for one second before you go and hit your ulti button when you see a small scale or 1v1 fight happening. Assess the situation for a moment. A lot of players out there really appreciate the change in pace of a good 1v1, 1v2 or 2v2-3 or whatever from the constant zerging without being restricted to BGs. 1v1 and small scale fights are different in open world pvp than they are in BGs or duels outside of Cyro and I'm just saying, try and keep things healthy and fun for everyone. Not everything has to be zerged down everywhere all the time.

You think you can just come near our keep and kill players from my alliance? You kill one, then another person comes by and you kill them too. I don't think so.

If i see you near a keep/outpost that we are attacking or control, I will attack you ( Remember that ). If the person that is 1v1 on my alliances backs off and just watches me die then its best just move on because i will continue to attack until you leave or a zerg comes by and wipes you.

My advice to you is to learn to 1v1 in Cyrodiil. If you don't want to get zerged down then find some place to 1v1 where nobody sees you, or start some kind of event where a group of players join to 1v1 each other. This way, players can die and rezzed at the location you pick.

I don't care what people or npcs ( lol ) think when I'm playing this game. My goal in PvP is to wipe the enemy out of the Cyrodiil; also, I'm very protective of my my alliance member. I will do anything to make sure they don't die. I save lives.

OP is in your faction, lol.

Joy_Division

Some people take the alliance war seriously, eliminating scouts, helping allies, keeping supply line free of danger, etc. They aren't "wrong" for wanting to play this way.

I try to avoid 1v1s (unless it's by a strategically sensitive area) or getting involved in fights that are not competitive. Though if a grand Overlord is 1v1ing a CP 73 recruit, I'm not sure that's competitive or sporting either and I'm going to help the recruit. What to leave alone and when to play the good alliance solider is ambiguous and these decisions have to be made in a split second sometimes. So it's not always easy to live by a code of honor as the OP would like. There are many times I misjudge a situation.

I think the best way to "covert" someone who just fires away at every enemy they see into what the OP is looking for is to use the whisper system as something more than hate-tells or salt dump. As I stated to get somewhat decent at this game, occasionally I'd have skilled players subtlety whisper me after they die that I was a good enough player that there were better (and more fun) things to do in PvP then partake in fights that neither my alliance nor my alliance mates needed me. Thinking back, it must have been hard for those players to be so polite after they died in a situation like the OP describes, so I have a great amount of respect for them (wish a lot of those classy old-timers were still around, sigh) and came to the conclusion that they were right. I may not always succeed, but I do try to stick to competitive situations or keep it to strategic areas relevant to the map. Sometimes you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

VirtualElizabeth

If I see a group from different factions not killing each other I assume it's a dueling event and will leave them be.

But come on OP, if it's just two folks fighting do you expect us to be able to read your mind?

vamp_emily

Kartalin wrote: »

OP is in your faction, lol.

I need to quit posting when I wake up. Maybe I should wait for a few hours before coming to the forums.

One thing that I get all upset about is when someone thinks I am 1v1ing and sits down and just watches. I'm not a dueler, I've only dueled once and that was with a friend when dueling was new.

Eyesinthedrk

They kill me if I'm questing in a town. They kill me when I'm doing delves and sky shards. They kill me when I'm going to craft some garbage nobles conquest item for a master writt. That's what happens in cyrodiil.

You want a peaceful dual leave cyrodiil.

Derra

I can´t see a reason to attack an enemy that´s already outnumbered.
If my allies get bested they were weak. Their bloodline is weak and they don´t deserve to live.

It´s seperating the wheat from the chaff.

Biro123

vamp_emily wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

OP is in your faction, lol.

I need to quit posting when I wake up. Maybe I should wait for a few hours before coming to the forums.

One thing that I get all upset about is when someone thinks I am 1v1ing and sits down and just watches. I'm not a dueler, I've only dueled once and that was with a friend when dueling was new.

That a very valid point too. Nothing worse than getting ganked by 2 guys, blowing all your resources and ult on staying alive, and killing one.. To be running on fumes and really struggling, only for a friendly to come along and decide to sit and watch...

Remove all doubt and just kill all enemies... Simples.

Chrlynsch

If you are enjoying a 1v1 and an ally jumps in, stop fighting. If an enemy jumps in and the original fighter keeps fighting you, just hope you survive to put it in your sick youtube video.

Biro123

Chrlynsch wrote: »

If you are enjoying a 1v1 and an ally jumps in, stop fighting. If an enemy jumps in and the original fighter keeps fighting you, just hope you survive to put it in your sick youtube video.

^^
*** move

Thogard

In IC this weekend, I have a great strategy for what to do when I find a 1v1.

First I wait for it to finish, all the while cheering for the enemy.

Then I kill the enemy.

That way I get his tel var as well as my weak alliance mate's tel var.

It's a win-win!

Lord-Otto

Biro123 wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

OP is in your faction, lol.

I need to quit posting when I wake up. Maybe I should wait for a few hours before coming to the forums.

One thing that I get all upset about is when someone thinks I am 1v1ing and sits down and just watches. I'm not a dueler, I've only dueled once and that was with a friend when dueling was new.

That a very valid point too. Nothing worse than getting ganked by 2 guys, blowing all your resources and ult on staying alive, and killing one.. To be running on fumes and really struggling, only for a friendly to come along and decide to sit and watch...

Remove all doubt and just kill all enemies... Simples.

Aaand this is why you bash the air or stop attacking when an ally shows up and you want a 1v1. I'm positive I've supported more mutual duels than disrupted them.

Doing everything outside Cyro is not always an option. I'm not a particularily big fan of duels, I get bored after ten minutes. After five, even. So I'm not seeking them in PvE territory, especially not when I have PvE skills and CPs on.

But sometimes, you run across a special player in PvP. Maybe you're curious, maybe you've seen him/her play and were like: "hey, he plays well". And you want to see how you're doing on your own. With your normal, open world build and not some four pets Wizards Riposte heavy axe bleed minmax duelling build. With a bit of Cyro terrain, maybe.

You don't leave Cyro for that and duel in the desert. You do it right now. I've had my best PvP experiences stumbling into fair 1v1 scenarios in Cyro. Be it by escaping from a zerg and staying for the last pursuer, who you know is not a zergling but a good player. Be it the lone dude on horse near Bleakers, who you fight for 15 minutes, until the zerg breaks it up. That player you flushed out of stealth while sneaking yourself, and both surprised, trying to react faster to the situation.

This is something you don't experience in controlled duels. Only in Cyrodiil.
So, just watch for signs, give signs, and if in doubt, help your ally.

Vapirko

@vamp_emily you can't wipe your enemies out of cyrodiil lol, as I said dying means nothing. You can flip keep colors but nothing you do will ever wipe your enemies out. And if you'd bothered to read any of my responses or this thread you'd get that I'm not talking about fighting near keeps. But as I'm once again reminded, this isn't a good forum to expect reading comprehension and a decent discussion in.

Jade1986

I rush in to help if I see someone struggling against a cookie cutter build. I hate cookie cutter builds.

Derra

laced wrote: »

I rush in to help if I see someone struggling against a cookie cutter build. I hate cookie cutter builds.

What´s a cookie cutter build?

Honest question because outside of magsorc (which are heavily limited in terms of skills to choose from in the first place compared to other classes) i hardly know two players of the same class running the same build/skills.
I honestly don´t - so i have no idea what a cookie cutter build would be in eso.

Elsterchen

Vapirko wrote: »

This is the most baffling thing. If you see a member of your faction 1v1 against a member of another faction, why do you run in with your group of ten and zerg them down?

1) It proves nothing. It doesn't prove the person you killed got "rekt" or sucks, it doesn't prove you and the 5+ people with you are good.
2) Those two people aren't going to change the course of the battle so just leave them alone, why bother? You're not getting any exp or ap really.
3) Maybe they wanted to test their skill 1v1 and no they don't want to leave Cyro, 1v1 battles should be a part of war. And honestly, if it looks like a good fight chances are the person on your team doesn't want your "help," because they prob would have been fine without you. Honestly they probably shook their heads and sighed at the crumbling state of good pvp and then went and apologized to their opponent for you.
4) Dying in cyro means nothing. If youre wearing mostly impen your gear doesnt break down, you dont lose money or ap or anything. The only consequence is likely a short ride back to where you were.
5) It isn't at all cool to soul assault gank someone in the middle of a 1v1.

Times when it MIGHT be ok to intervene is if your team member is getting sniped by some *** in the trees or theyre outnumbered. Or, one person is taking out an FC or capturing a critical resource, or youre a smaller group and need every person you can get to take a keep etc. Still I even let an outnumbered team member fight it out if it looks like they can handle it.

Look I get it, the heat of battle and getting zerged down is part of Cyro open world pvp. But, just pause for one second before you go and hit your ulti button when you see a small scale or 1v1 fight happening. Assess the situation for a moment. A lot of players out there really appreciate the change in pace of a good 1v1, 1v2 or 2v2-3 or whatever from the constant zerging without being restricted to BGs. 1v1 and small scale fights are different in open world pvp than they are in BGs or duels outside of Cyro and I'm just saying, try and keep things healthy and fun for everyone. Not everything has to be zerged down everywhere all the time.

Had a 1vs1 (templar vs warden) just yesterday... I guess with no-one stepping in we would still be fighting.

It did cost me 1,5k telvar... but... well ... fighting someone using the same defensive strategy can be dragging, so I would opt for-> please help your alliance healers with killing.

Jade1986

Derra wrote: »

laced wrote: »

I rush in to help if I see someone struggling against a cookie cutter build. I hate cookie cutter builds.

What´s a cookie cutter build?

Honest question because outside of magsorc (which are heavily limited in terms of skills to choose from in the first place compared to other classes) i hardly know two players of the same class running the same build/skills.
I honestly don´t - so i have no idea what a cookie cutter build would be in eso.

In short, a 1 to 1 copy of an optimal build. This includes skills, CP allocation, and weapon / armor sets.

I will also rush to the defense of people who are getting WB or Dizzying swing spammed.

Derra

laced wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

laced wrote: »

I rush in to help if I see someone struggling against a cookie cutter build. I hate cookie cutter builds.

What´s a cookie cutter build?

Honest question because outside of magsorc (which are heavily limited in terms of skills to choose from in the first place compared to other classes) i hardly know two players of the same class running the same build/skills.
I honestly don´t - so i have no idea what a cookie cutter build would be in eso.

In short, a 1 to 1 copy of an optimal build. This includes skills, CP allocation, and weapon / armor sets.

I will also rush to the defense of people who are getting WB or Dizzying swing spammed.

Are those that popular wherever you play?

Because like i stated - i don´t know anyone that runs a carbon copy of another players build (in pvp - pve it´s pretty common i guess).

Jade1986

Derra wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

laced wrote: »

I rush in to help if I see someone struggling against a cookie cutter build. I hate cookie cutter builds.

What´s a cookie cutter build?

Honest question because outside of magsorc (which are heavily limited in terms of skills to choose from in the first place compared to other classes) i hardly know two players of the same class running the same build/skills.
I honestly don´t - so i have no idea what a cookie cutter build would be in eso.

In short, a 1 to 1 copy of an optimal build. This includes skills, CP allocation, and weapon / armor sets.

I will also rush to the defense of people who are getting WB or Dizzying swing spammed.

Are those that popular wherever you play?

Because like i stated - i don´t know anyone that runs a carbon copy of another players build (in pvp - pve it´s pretty common i guess).

Its, thank sanguine, not so prevelant. Which is why I make it a point when I see someone running them to gang up on them. I can think of 4 people off the top of my head who do it ( EU-Pc ) , but I won't say any names. I remember talking to guildies about the archer build I composed the other day and they were like " That sounds really interesting actually " And even though it is not meant for 1 v x'ing, it is incredibly useful, and luckily more people are open to exerimentation recently. Before there were so many WB spamming DKs all using Hundings Rage it was ridiculous.

Thelon

the potatoes have potated

Pastas

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

So much hardcore roleplayers. It is not war, its just a game.

Keep zerging

Aiphaton

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

THE ZERGMIND IS SO REAL

paulsimonps

Pastas wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

So much hardcore roleplayers. It is not war, its just a game.

Keep zerging

Aiphaton wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

THE ZERGMIND IS SO REAL

Who said zerging is bad?

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Agree with OP. I won't interfere with 1V1 at all. Heck, I usually leave people be in PVE dungeons and Overland that are fighting a boss or mob. Now if they ask for help that's different. I solo world bosses every day and I would rather it be solo to test my Mettle so to speak. If I can't beat it then I try again later or come back with a group. And yes, I understand that others may be coming along to get the achievement for that specific world boss. It is a game with lots of players. Let's rock!

DeadlyRecluse

If I see enemies in combat, I'm not going to waste time trying to filter their behavior through some decision matrix as to whether or not I should attack. I'm just going to jump in.

Biro123

paulsimonps wrote: »

Pastas wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

So much hardcore roleplayers. It is not war, its just a game.

Keep zerging

Aiphaton wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

THE ZERGMIND IS SO REAL

Who said zerging is bad?

Exactly! For some odd reason, in a game that is designed around large-scale battles - there are people who seem to think large scale combat is bad and people who take part in it are terrible players and awful people..

I'll be the first to say that I love large-scale combat - whatever people want to call it...

This 'don't help me I'm having a fair fight' mentality is simply ruinous to a game based on faction vs faction combat.

NBrookus

For everyone who says "go duel," a random 1v1 open world and a duel are two entirely different things. In a duel, you are often going to run different skills and maybe armor to counter the class you are duelling. When you encounter someone randomly open world, aside from gankers you are both probably running swiss knife setups so it's much less predictable.

Pastas

Biro123 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Pastas wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

So much hardcore roleplayers. It is not war, its just a game.

Keep zerging

Aiphaton wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

THE ZERGMIND IS SO REAL

Who said zerging is bad?

Exactly! For some odd reason, in a game that is designed around large-scale battles - there are people who seem to think large scale combat is bad and people who take part in it are terrible players and awful people..

I'll be the first to say that I love large-scale combat - whatever people want to call it...

This 'don't help me I'm having a fair fight' mentality is simply ruinous to a game based on faction vs faction combat.

If you think 1v8+ is a large-scale battle...

Biro123

Pastas wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Pastas wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

So much hardcore roleplayers. It is not war, its just a game.

Keep zerging

Aiphaton wrote: »

Tr4gicDe4th wrote: »

its war. anything goes

THE ZERGMIND IS SO REAL

Who said zerging is bad?

Exactly! For some odd reason, in a game that is designed around large-scale battles - there are people who seem to think large scale combat is bad and people who take part in it are terrible players and awful people..

I'll be the first to say that I love large-scale combat - whatever people want to call it...

This 'don't help me I'm having a fair fight' mentality is simply ruinous to a game based on faction vs faction combat.

If you think 1v8+ is a large-scale battle...

Must be the most relevant and thought I provoking response ever.

/Golfclap

gabriebe

Here's a fantastic idea for dueling: use the dueling option available anywhere except Cyro.