Why queue for a dungeon if you're just gonna solo it?

LadyNalcarya

kargen27 wrote: »

ChandraNalaar wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

@Nestor You should know better than that. =P

If the OP had been successful at talking to them, that would be one thing. But, based on the description of them being "Miles ahead" I doubt any discourse would have been well received.

I am glad your giving them the benefit of the doubt. I have come across this enough times with no response from the one running ahead to not even want to try. They have already shown their intentions by running ahead that they don't want to be part of the group. Now, I won't say that 1 out of 3 does this, but out of 10 to 20 pugs, I get this at least once. I send a "Hey do you want to wait?" message and get crickets back.

So, try to talk to them if you feel it's the right thing to do, and maybe they will listen. But, I bet your going to be kicking more of them than getting them to hang back.

Why kick someone who is doing the dungeon for you? If they can't do mechanics and are being a jerk then sure, but kicking everybody who runs ahead and clears mobs for you just seems like a silly thing to do. I think it's quite nice when somebody is successfully clearing mobs ahead of me if I'm in a loading screen or something; I only queue for random normals for the xp, so getting through it quickly is a bonus.

Some people don't appreciate the participation ribbon. They actually want to contribute. Not everybody queues for a quick bit of xp and it is rude to not let them enjoy the experience. If you want to do a quick run form your group in zone then queue for the random with everybody knowing it is a quick run. If you want someone to carry you ask in zone for a carry. don't join a random group and assume.

Well, you can contribute. Unless that speedrunner is using cheat engine and you're technically unable to catch up with him/her, nothing stops you from attacking the mobs. Everyone can sprint, after all. And technically 5-10% is still a contribution.
Also, the majority of nonvet pugs are below lvl 50 and dont have cps so you can get plenty of slow runs if thats what you want. I dont believe there's so many speedrunners and OP dds. Many dds can solo dungeons, but soloing it so quick that no one can even catch up and contribute even a little bit.. Well, maybe there's one or two of those guys for 9000+ light attack archers. Surely not enough to be an issue.
And lets not forget that not every dungeon is farmed for gear. You're very unlikely to see someone farming outside CoA, DC and some other places that drop popular gear sets.

WhoSlappedThePie

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

To encourage people to "up their game"?

Do you really think that "normal" players look at the speedrunner ahead thinking "wow, I wanna be that guy" ? LoL.

I did... and then I became that guy *evil laugh*

kargen27

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

ChandraNalaar wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

@Nestor You should know better than that. =P

If the OP had been successful at talking to them, that would be one thing. But, based on the description of them being "Miles ahead" I doubt any discourse would have been well received.

I am glad your giving them the benefit of the doubt. I have come across this enough times with no response from the one running ahead to not even want to try. They have already shown their intentions by running ahead that they don't want to be part of the group. Now, I won't say that 1 out of 3 does this, but out of 10 to 20 pugs, I get this at least once. I send a "Hey do you want to wait?" message and get crickets back.

So, try to talk to them if you feel it's the right thing to do, and maybe they will listen. But, I bet your going to be kicking more of them than getting them to hang back.

Why kick someone who is doing the dungeon for you? If they can't do mechanics and are being a jerk then sure, but kicking everybody who runs ahead and clears mobs for you just seems like a silly thing to do. I think it's quite nice when somebody is successfully clearing mobs ahead of me if I'm in a loading screen or something; I only queue for random normals for the xp, so getting through it quickly is a bonus.

Some people don't appreciate the participation ribbon. They actually want to contribute. Not everybody queues for a quick bit of xp and it is rude to not let them enjoy the experience. If you want to do a quick run form your group in zone then queue for the random with everybody knowing it is a quick run. If you want someone to carry you ask in zone for a carry. don't join a random group and assume.

Well, you can contribute. Unless that speedrunner is using cheat engine and you're technically unable to catch up with him/her, nothing stops you from attacking the mobs. Everyone can sprint, after all. And technically 5-10% is still a contribution.
Also, the majority of nonvet pugs are below lvl 50 and dont have cps so you can get plenty of slow runs if thats what you want. I dont believe there's so many speedrunners and OP dds. Many dds can solo dungeons, but soloing it so quick that no one can even catch up and contribute even a little bit.. Well, maybe there's one or two of those guys for 9000+ light attack archers. Surely not enough to be an issue.
And lets not forget that not every dungeon is farmed for gear. You're very unlikely to see someone farming outside CoA, DC and some other places that drop popular gear sets.

The players I have run into know the path to take to skip the mobs and all bosses not required to get the accomplishment for finishing the activity. Some also have skills that allow them to get past mobs even when there isn't room to bypass them normally. Also doesn't take into account people doing the quest, looking for lore books or looting containers.

It's not that I want slow runs but pretty sure you are purposely missing the point of what I posted. I want people in the group to actually act like they are in the group. Running ahead is rude and saying things like well at least they get the dungeon finished or they can get a hit in if they can keep up doesn't justify the behavior.

LadyNalcarya

kargen27 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

ChandraNalaar wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

@Nestor You should know better than that. =P

If the OP had been successful at talking to them, that would be one thing. But, based on the description of them being "Miles ahead" I doubt any discourse would have been well received.

I am glad your giving them the benefit of the doubt. I have come across this enough times with no response from the one running ahead to not even want to try. They have already shown their intentions by running ahead that they don't want to be part of the group. Now, I won't say that 1 out of 3 does this, but out of 10 to 20 pugs, I get this at least once. I send a "Hey do you want to wait?" message and get crickets back.

So, try to talk to them if you feel it's the right thing to do, and maybe they will listen. But, I bet your going to be kicking more of them than getting them to hang back.

Why kick someone who is doing the dungeon for you? If they can't do mechanics and are being a jerk then sure, but kicking everybody who runs ahead and clears mobs for you just seems like a silly thing to do. I think it's quite nice when somebody is successfully clearing mobs ahead of me if I'm in a loading screen or something; I only queue for random normals for the xp, so getting through it quickly is a bonus.

Some people don't appreciate the participation ribbon. They actually want to contribute. Not everybody queues for a quick bit of xp and it is rude to not let them enjoy the experience. If you want to do a quick run form your group in zone then queue for the random with everybody knowing it is a quick run. If you want someone to carry you ask in zone for a carry. don't join a random group and assume.

Well, you can contribute. Unless that speedrunner is using cheat engine and you're technically unable to catch up with him/her, nothing stops you from attacking the mobs. Everyone can sprint, after all. And technically 5-10% is still a contribution.
Also, the majority of nonvet pugs are below lvl 50 and dont have cps so you can get plenty of slow runs if thats what you want. I dont believe there's so many speedrunners and OP dds. Many dds can solo dungeons, but soloing it so quick that no one can even catch up and contribute even a little bit.. Well, maybe there's one or two of those guys for 9000+ light attack archers. Surely not enough to be an issue.
And lets not forget that not every dungeon is farmed for gear. You're very unlikely to see someone farming outside CoA, DC and some other places that drop popular gear sets.

The players I have run into know the path to take to skip the mobs and all bosses not required to get the accomplishment for finishing the activity. Some also have skills that allow them to get past mobs even when there isn't room to bypass them normally. Also doesn't take into account people doing the quest, looking for lore books or looting containers.

It's not that I want slow runs but pretty sure you are purposely missing the point of what I posted. I want people in the group to actually act like they are in the group. Running ahead is rude and saying things like well at least they get the dungeon finished or they can get a hit in if they can keep up doesn't justify the behavior.

Thing is, pug groups rarely act as groups.
You'd have "dds" spamming light attacks from different corners of the room, a "tank" with 2 hander and no taunt, people not paying attention to mechanics, etc. Speedrunners are certainly not the worst. I'd say if they play the role they queued for, they're already better than the majority of LFG denizens.
And again, like I said, ignoring someone who asked to wait for the quest npc is rude, I never said it isnt. Skipping mobs... Well, usually people skip certain mob packs because those mobs are a pain in the neck and dont drop anything useful (such as orange agronians in vRoM). People also tend to skip optional bosses, but usually they still agree to help if someone needs speedrun or nodeath. It really depends. If you asked to kill optional bosses, trash mobs or to take the quest, and they refused or ignored you, I can see why its rude. If no one asked, they might just assume its fine. I mean... Why assume anything about them if you can just ask? Then you'll see if that person is actually a jerk or not.

cpuScientist

Or you guys are not being respectful of the speedrun guys wishes to finish the dungeon quickly. Maybe he sees a few players in the group that they think can't really do this. Maybe he feels that if you used dungeon finder and then get in the dungeon and say wait let me switch skills/gear that it was something you should've done beforehand. Maybe when you click that ready check in group finder he thought you were actually ready. Maybe he thinks he's doing people a favor. Maybe he thinks questing is for friends and he feels that having everyone wait for you to read and do all the little questing parts is equally rude.

These are just some little counter arguments. But remember everyone thinks there way is right. So cut people slack, kick them if the majority is on your side leave if the majority is against you and if it's 50/50 try to keep up or leave.

anitajoneb17_ESO

cpuScientist wrote: »

These are just some little counter arguments. But remember everyone thinks there way is right. So cut people slack, kick them if the majority is on your side leave if the majority is against you and if it's 50/50 try to keep up or leave.

You're correct in theory : maybe the speeding solo guy thinks he's doing the right thing. But some people are very aware if they're annoying and keep on doing so - sometimes even enjoy doing so.
It happened to me once in a normal dungeon PUG (cradle of shadows). I needed the quest and skill point and mentioned it at the beginning of the dungeon. Yet the guy kept rushing ahead (and in cradle if you're alone in the spider corridors it takes a while). I whispered him to please wait a little, his answer was literally "I don't care about you, you're just there 'cos I need 4 ppl for the daily XP boost".
He killed the boss way ahead of everyone and disbanded the group (unfortunately he had the crown) instead of simply leaving before anyone else could even loot it - let alone finish the quest.

No big deal - I queued again and the next group was nice.

One single example does not invalidate your suggestion that the rusher may rush in good faith, but jerks will be jerks...

WhoSlappedThePie

Or you could add friends who are "slower" and just run with them?

kargen27

cpuScientist wrote: »

Or you guys are not being respectful of the speedrun guys wishes to finish the dungeon quickly. Maybe he sees a few players in the group that they think can't really do this. Maybe he feels that if you used dungeon finder and then get in the dungeon and say wait let me switch skills/gear that it was something you should've done beforehand. Maybe when you click that ready check in group finder he thought you were actually ready. Maybe he thinks he's doing people a favor. Maybe he thinks questing is for friends and he feels that having everyone wait for you to read and do all the little questing parts is equally rude.

These are just some little counter arguments. But remember everyone thinks there way is right. So cut people slack, kick them if the majority is on your side leave if the majority is against you and if it's 50/50 try to keep up or leave.

You wanna do a speed run type in zone and you will get a group ready to do a speed run. Random normal is more for learning rotations, leveling skills and getting familiar with your character. No he doesn't see other player in the group, let alone if they can do it or not because he is around the corner skipping past mobs as soon as his feet hit the ground. I agree you should have skills ready before entering but that isn't relevant here because he isn't waiting anyway. No he isn't doing people any favors and no he probably doesn't really think he is doing others a favor especially when asked to please slow down. It is rude and none of your excuses justify it.

With random normal I go in with the attitude the the fleet is only as fast as their slowest ship, or the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. This means if someone needs to go slow you go slow. If someone has never done the dungeon before you stop to explain mechanics even if you can burn through so mechanics do not matter. Do what you can to make sure the entire group enjoys the run and has fun.

LadyNalcarya

kargen27 wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

Or you guys are not being respectful of the speedrun guys wishes to finish the dungeon quickly. Maybe he sees a few players in the group that they think can't really do this. Maybe he feels that if you used dungeon finder and then get in the dungeon and say wait let me switch skills/gear that it was something you should've done beforehand. Maybe when you click that ready check in group finder he thought you were actually ready. Maybe he thinks he's doing people a favor. Maybe he thinks questing is for friends and he feels that having everyone wait for you to read and do all the little questing parts is equally rude.

These are just some little counter arguments. But remember everyone thinks there way is right. So cut people slack, kick them if the majority is on your side leave if the majority is against you and if it's 50/50 try to keep up or leave.

You wanna do a speed run type in zone and you will get a group ready to do a speed run. Random normal is more for learning rotations, leveling skills and getting familiar with your character. No he doesn't see other player in the group, let alone if they can do it or not because he is around the corner skipping past mobs as soon as his feet hit the ground. I agree you should have skills ready before entering but that isn't relevant here because he isn't waiting anyway. No he isn't doing people any favors and no he probably doesn't really think he is doing others a favor especially when asked to please slow down. It is rude and none of your excuses justify it.

With random normal I go in with the attitude the the fleet is only as fast as their slowest ship, or the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. This means if someone needs to go slow you go slow. If someone has never done the dungeon before you stop to explain mechanics even if you can burn through so mechanics do not matter. Do what you can to make sure the entire group enjoys the run and has fun.

Are you talking about someone specific? Because otherwise its a very broad generalization.
Not being a team player isnt really related to soloing dungeons, its just a pug thing. There's many horribad dds who would still aggro all the mobs while tank and/or healer is still on loading screen. They cant solo anything, but they still run ahead (bonus cringe points if theyre FoTH stamina dds that run faster than the rest of the group and die from 1 hit ).
As for "Do what you can to make sure the entire group enjoys the run and has fun", it only works if EVERYONE in the group shares this mindset. There's so many entitled players and special snowflakes that you will never be good enough for them, even if you'll carry them through the whole game and give them all your gold and items.

kargen27

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

Or you guys are not being respectful of the speedrun guys wishes to finish the dungeon quickly. Maybe he sees a few players in the group that they think can't really do this. Maybe he feels that if you used dungeon finder and then get in the dungeon and say wait let me switch skills/gear that it was something you should've done beforehand. Maybe when you click that ready check in group finder he thought you were actually ready. Maybe he thinks he's doing people a favor. Maybe he thinks questing is for friends and he feels that having everyone wait for you to read and do all the little questing parts is equally rude.

These are just some little counter arguments. But remember everyone thinks there way is right. So cut people slack, kick them if the majority is on your side leave if the majority is against you and if it's 50/50 try to keep up or leave.

You wanna do a speed run type in zone and you will get a group ready to do a speed run. Random normal is more for learning rotations, leveling skills and getting familiar with your character. No he doesn't see other player in the group, let alone if they can do it or not because he is around the corner skipping past mobs as soon as his feet hit the ground. I agree you should have skills ready before entering but that isn't relevant here because he isn't waiting anyway. No he isn't doing people any favors and no he probably doesn't really think he is doing others a favor especially when asked to please slow down. It is rude and none of your excuses justify it.

With random normal I go in with the attitude the the fleet is only as fast as their slowest ship, or the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. This means if someone needs to go slow you go slow. If someone has never done the dungeon before you stop to explain mechanics even if you can burn through so mechanics do not matter. Do what you can to make sure the entire group enjoys the run and has fun.

Are you talking about someone specific? Because otherwise its a very broad generalization.
Not being a team player isnt really related to soloing dungeons, its just a pug thing. There's many horribad dds who would still aggro all the mobs while tank and/or healer is still on loading screen. They cant solo anything, but they still run ahead (bonus cringe points if theyre FoTH stamina dds that run faster than the rest of the group and die from 1 hit ).
As for "Do what you can to make sure the entire group enjoys the run and has fun", it only works if EVERYONE in the group shares this mindset. There's so many entitled players and special snowflakes that you will never be good enough for them, even if you'll carry them through the whole game and give them all your gold and items.

Not one specific player but a specific type. Usually they are leveling champion points and only care that they get to the end in the shortest amount of time. Asking them to wait is in the best scenario ignored and often just leads to negative comments from them. Funny they can take the time to degrade others but can't take the time to help.

The bad DPS that runs forward without waiting almost as bad. More of those though just don't know better and will learn if you take the time to explain why they should wait for tank and healer. The speed runners know they are being (descriptive explitive)s and don't care. The new or just not good players might not know and telling them might make them better players in several ways. And of course there will always be selfish players in the game, some worse than others. And when we encounter them we should ignore them when we can and call them out when their selfishness affects the way we play the game.

WhoSlappedThePie

So boring. Just get on with it. I can't believe this gets to you so much that you write huge paragraphs about whether there is etiquette in a pug random dungeon.

The clues in the name: random. That means there's a random chance you're paired with people who will or won't do it to your liking. A random chance if you're going to be with people who listen, type, wait, don't hit hard, hit too hard etc.

When I join anything I'm aiming to do it quickly and I don't care if you feel like I'm not waiting. How many of these are you going to get though really? And if anything I'm speeding up the process so at the very least you complete the dungeon in a very fast time and can get back to doing them how you like... I don't see the problem here. You're "wasting" like 10 minutes in most dungeons in a speedrun. Woop-dee-do.

Get on with your day man, sheeeesh.

Vahrokh

I usually do the opposite. I go with the group, and start to "solo" when they die and I am the only one left. I solo the boss and that's it.

Storymaster

Zypheran wrote: »

Why is there always one person in a group who uses GF to do group content but the second they get into the dungeon, they blitz off miles ahead and just start soloing the dungeon?
I mean, do they actually want to do group content or is it just some ego thing? This happens in at least 1 out of 3 dungeons now.

For one, they will need to queue in order to receive the large XP (Grade Blue) payout for the Daily Dungeon Finder.

Ashtaris

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

If someone is rushing ahead, and obviously capable of soloing the dungeon, it's likely they're grinding it and giving the people they're paired up with an easy run, in their eyes. It doesn't necessarily mean they're malicious.

Communication is key in any issue, don't automatically write people off without trying to open a dialogue, and separately examining the pros and cons of letting them do what they do.

You might find yourself doing the same thing in the future, especially if you associate with people who can teach you a thing or two, like our subject.

@Nestor You should know better than that. =P

It shouldn't be up to the group to figure out if you are farming gear. That should be up to the person doing the farming and ask the group members what they would like to do, not the other way around. If I get into a group, I consider it as being part of a team and not a one man "I'm awesome and to hell with the rest of you!"

jaws343

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

So boring. Just get on with it. I can't believe this gets to you so much that you write huge paragraphs about whether there is etiquette in a pug random dungeon.

The clues in the name: random. That means there's a random chance you're paired with people who will or won't do it to your liking. A random chance if you're going to be with people who listen, type, wait, don't hit hard, hit too hard etc.

When I join anything I'm aiming to do it quickly and I don't care if you feel like I'm not waiting. How many of these are you going to get though really? And if anything I'm speeding up the process so at the very least you complete the dungeon in a very fast time and can get back to doing them how you like... I don't see the problem here. You're "wasting" like 10 minutes in most dungeons in a speedrun. Woop-dee-do.

Get on with your day man, sheeeesh.

I kind of agree with this. If you are doing to quest, at least say something and I will take my time as well. But if group members are bumbling around and not moving forward in a dungeon, I am.

I was in Volenfell the other day and the group was just doing nothing and not moving anywhere, so I moved on to the next trash mob. Killed them and started looting containers waiting for the group. 2 minutes later and they are still not to me yet, one room over. So I move on to the next trash mob and the group ends up kicking me without even saying one word to me.

Either do the dungeon, or get out of the dungeon.

Alexandrious

Sighs. Christ this thread. If one thing taught me in the 18 years of mmo playing I did, is that all of us, all of us are just worthless bags of meat. Every, single, one. Makes no difference if your a noob player, a tryhard, a elitist, a trenchie, a gamer chick, a pretend gamer chick, a hardcore player, a casual, a midcore, a jerk, a troll, and many other titles, in the end, your another person who could wind up dead the next day, or be found by someone you pissed off in a game, forum, on twitter or whatever, and beaten the crap out of within a inch of your life, forever changing you, and anything you did no matter how good or elite you are, will not save you.

Tldr: Its just a game, their are varying players. If you need someone to blame for these problems happening, blame the developers for not putting systems in place.

Mods, its time to close this.

kypranb14_ESO

I do this if the rest of the teams combined DPS is really low, or if I am in a rush that night do to real life plans. My random dungeon needs to get done one way or another. I also do this if I am farming. I rarely find people who complain, as I am a DPS-Healer, so nobody dies and the dungeons gets done really fast.

Asardes

Usually I double-queue as tank/DD or healer/DD but end up doing everything. Did a bunch of random normal dungeons on all my 4 characters for every day of the event for the crystals. My DPS is usually between 50% and 80% of group total. But last night I had an extreme example. I queued on my Stamina NB, the dungeon was Blackheart Haven, got queued with an under 50, a CP 320 and a CP620. The under 50 died at some point but didn't bother to res himself and stayed dead for like half the dungeon. The CP players stayed with me but they did virtually no damage. On every boss I was doing 85-90% of DPS. They were somewhat useful at the last boss, because they got turned into skeletons and I could kill him easily. The CP620 only did light attacks, every 5-6s and died at almost every trash pull because one add managed to survive my AoE. I have no idea how some players reach full CP and are that bad. I mean 2-3K DPS from nothing but light attacks. You gotta be mentally challenged to play like that. That's why I make sure I can solo almost anything, including normal DLC dungeons with my builds, and if I see other players can't keep pace, I simply press on and stop minding them.

zaria

jaws343 wrote: »

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

So boring. Just get on with it. I can't believe this gets to you so much that you write huge paragraphs about whether there is etiquette in a pug random dungeon.

The clues in the name: random. That means there's a random chance you're paired with people who will or won't do it to your liking. A random chance if you're going to be with people who listen, type, wait, don't hit hard, hit too hard etc.

When I join anything I'm aiming to do it quickly and I don't care if you feel like I'm not waiting. How many of these are you going to get though really? And if anything I'm speeding up the process so at the very least you complete the dungeon in a very fast time and can get back to doing them how you like... I don't see the problem here. You're "wasting" like 10 minutes in most dungeons in a speedrun. Woop-dee-do.

Get on with your day man, sheeeesh.

I kind of agree with this. If you are doing to quest, at least say something and I will take my time as well. But if group members are bumbling around and not moving forward in a dungeon, I am.

I was in Volenfell the other day and the group was just doing nothing and not moving anywhere, so I moved on to the next trash mob. Killed them and started looting containers waiting for the group. 2 minutes later and they are still not to me yet, one room over. So I move on to the next trash mob and the group ends up kicking me without even saying one word to me.

Either do the dungeon, or get out of the dungeon.

Note it does not matter if the rest of group burns hard if you do quest.
I was in an random normal with an low level alt I was leveling, two good players, one DD and DD queued as tank, me as kind of DD, group dps was above 70k on single bosses.
No issue doing quests including all the dialogues, granted I skipped tail as I read it. Its an dungeon its forever since I did quest on.
Just sprint after and catching them before next boss.
Its physiological you want to be there helping group, however either they manage it or they are fools.

BNOC

Probably mentioned but isn't it ironic that the OP has this in his signature:
"I'll play the game my way and you play it your way!" But is here moaning about someone playing their way whilst he played his.

Why are there always people in dungeons that are lagging behind, for no good reason.

These are the people that will carry you and make your run much easier. If they didn't feel like they could do it, they probably wouldn't. And all they ask of you is that you keep up.

Nestor wrote: »

Just kick them from the group, they get removed from the instance and have to start all over again in 15 minutes

^ Community ambassador? Embarrassing.

Nogawd

If I feel the random normal group is slow, even on my healer, I pull ahead or pull all of the mobs to the group. No one dies as I do not let them, and I sometimes enjoy seeing the pugs get scared or say that they were shaking at their pc, lol.

I do the same thing for even harder vet dungeons if a low level q's for it. I will make harder pulls to really test or frustrate them. You want to play with the big boys? Well get ready, lol.

Nestor

BNOC wrote: »

^ Community ambassador? Embarrassing.

Because I am supposed to be on the side of the tools who scam the group finder to get the 100k experience with no intention of actually working with the group they agreed to join? Seriously?

Community means more than one, so I am on the side of the group not the lone jerk who abuses the group for their own selfish reasons .

BNOC

Nestor wrote: »

Just kick them from the group, they get removed from the instance and have to start all over again in 15 minutes

Nestor wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

^ Community ambassador? Embarrassing.

Because I am supposed to be on the side of the tools who scam the group finder to get the 100k experience with no intention of actually working with the group they agreed to join? Seriously?

Community means more than one, so I am on the side of the group not the lone jerk who abuses the group for their own selfish reasons .

You honestly believe the players that are pushing these dungeons clear for these guys quickly are there for a measly 100k experience ? They're probably the same people that could go and get 100k exp in 2 minutes elsewhere.

Shows how much you know about the community you're representing.

It's much more likely, but equally a guess that they're doing loot runs (Chests, bosses, heavy sacks) and if everyone kept up, they'd be rewarded as well.

Nestor

And your assuming that people want the dungeons done for them. Shows how much you know about the community you are part of.

If your going to solo the dungeon then go solo it.

Sign up to be with a group, run with the group.

But don't tell me your doing anyone a favor by joining a group then ignoring the group.

Zypheran

Having started this thread ages ago I have now come to realise that this is just one of these issues where this no middle ground and neither side can persuade the other.
Simply put you have those that feel that group activities suggest a level of consideration for others in the group and those that feel that it's all about them and their needs. Sure, I've read arguments that even suggest that those being left behind by dungeon speed runners are actually inconsiderate for not keeping up but frankly I find this just excuses for rudeness.
In my view, bottom line, if you choose a GROUP activity.... play as part of that group. If you don't want to.... solo it!