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PVP - Any plans on balancing heavy armor finally?
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DeHei✭✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »Mangeli200194 wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »Heavy armor is grossly overpowered compared to medium. It sustains just as good thanks to the rapid mending resource bonus, it has access to shuffle like medium and it can provide you with a bunch of damage thanks to an array of offensive heavy armor sets.
Fighting some of these characters becomes impossible when they're dealing more damage than you, sustain better by abusing a resource mechanic and can take 3 times more punishment before going down.
If anyone over there cares about PVP balance, I propose the following;
- Consider tuning down offensive heavy armor sets, there should be no reason for me to run heavy armor and have more damage overall than in medium.
- Restrict armor actives to their armor tree, 5+ pieces required to use that active ability. No more shuffle on heavy armor, in fact, major evasion in heavy armor probably shouldn't be allowed at all.
- Remove the resource sustain from rapid mending, in what world does it make sense to wield a two handed massive weapon in FULL heavy armor and actually replenish your resources at an increased rate? If you were worried about pve tanks not sustaining as well, don't - they sustain perfectly fine in dungeons, and the ones that don't, need to work on their builds a bit.
If you want to see more balanced pvp gameplay in ESO, you really need to look into this heavy armor meta, it will only get worse in time.
Oh and btw since I'm here, get rid of those proc sets, no one asked for them, no one competent likes them, having your armor do damage for you is incredibly stupid. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to miss the good old 1.5 pvp days too.
Have a good day.
Heavy armor vs medium:
heavy has better survavalability but LESS STAMINA SUBSTAIN but A BIT OF MAGICA SUBSTAIN ASWELL
less damage leThe easist solution would be a passiv, that reduce incoming damage for arround 25%, but reducing also the damageoutput for 50% while wearing 5+ pieces heavy armor. This passiv for the other what gives spell- & weapondamage!
Problem solved!
I personally think, that some heavy armorset like seventh legion, revegar or fury need a 5th setpiecenerf. Medium armor need more damage mitigation to make it optional in PvP..
Before you want to nerf heavy..... BUFF MEDIUM FFS SO YOURagnaroek93 wrote: »In my opinion the main problem isn't heavy armor, it is that you can stack so much tankiness while maintaining so much damage. I wouldn't rate heavy armor as totally overpowered (it's a bit too strong in my opinion tho), it's just that you can push builds into such an extreme these days. Sustaining in heavy armor with heavy attacks allows you to stack insane amounts of damage which boost healing and also help a lot to pressure the opponent so that he/she can't fight back.
On top of that you can just go vampire and stick to stage 3 and getting access to the (in my opinion) strongest passive in this game. I've tested against friend (who played a heavy armor nb which is still the "squishiest" class lol...) and at low health my Surprise Attack did crit for 2,1k with a 10k tooltip and 80% critical damage modifier, that's just stupid (for the same reason I think that sorc or necroblade is too strong - it's not the class itself, it's this stupid vampire passive which synergizes far too well with tanky or shield builds).
You know the HA only works when you actually hit the target??? so good luck hitting a roly-poly eternal *** nb while relying on your HA to get back resources. Same with perma blockers..... Medium armor is better in open pvp/open spaces where u can utellize your mobility. heavy armor is better in cramped spaces where the low mobility of HA doesnt matter. If you want to make medium armor more effective in pvp. give it a passive to mitigate the high burst in pvp(gankers, etc) something to make medium armor survivalabiltiy a bit less crappy....
You understood me wrong. I dont want to nerf HA, it would just be the easist solution. I prefer a medium armor buff, too. It really need more damage mitigation in some way.
You understand Ragnaroek93 wrong. We have some really good players, who dont need heavy attacks to sustain. They dont need to hit enemys to sustain there builds. But this very experienced people can do very much damage with a common heavy attack and they all run in fight with 4,5-5k weapondamage while in HA. They are very tanky cause of the reasons like Ragnaroek93 explained. Do you really think a medium armor build can compensate a "tank", who is able to deal more damage to you then you on him? He deals more damage to you with just spamming heavy attack together with skills until he see a weakness to finish you with a burstrotation. You need to do much more to get same pressure on him and its simply not possible to win this fight!
So medium armor is just to weak for solo PvP. In this times ganking against most of HA weared targets isnt fun. In duelling AND i only mean experienced PvPler, medium armor isnt a option!
Thats because the ungodly amount of undodgable skills and ultimes in this game and coz people have gotten wize to permadoge builds and when they see it pull out niceties like Soul Assault or Destro ult. Buff medium burst survivalability but dont nerf heavy...... The past nerfs have been enough... And btw i know plenty of skilled players who prefer medium in open world(shuffle permadodge builds mostly).... its a matter of preference..... No 3k wd in HA is average unless your wearing Fury or something. And yes a skilled medium armor player can dodge every single burst the HA wearer can throw at him. Yes it is possible to win that fight.... The more skilled person winns. Ive duelled a buddy wearing medium he in heavy both people same armor setups just mine was 5 medium/1/1 his was 5 heavy/1/1 and i won... I simplly had more PvP experience then him its that simple....
I know some too, but only as ganker in zergs or solo playing with killing noobs
Oh and btw my suggestion is giving medium armor a little bit more resistances (like 2.5k) because medium armor resists are so close to light armor and nerf slightly some heavy armor weapon damage sets. (but dont kill them like you did on black rose)
also for heavy, zos can change resource management by making it somehow giving smaller amount of resourcr back while waving your weapon but it will give magicka+atamina this time. This will be good for both magicka + stamina builds (well for stamina it will be slight nerf)
i think these changes would be good. what do you guys think?
Buff medium armor in a good and balanced way and nerf some of the high damage HA sets like fury, ravager or seventh legion a bit.Edited by DeHei on August 21, 2017 9:07AMDeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 480p, (god you know it's late, I put 420p) but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.Edited by Xsorus on August 21, 2017 9:19AMhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
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DeHei✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't ask someone else to come into the thread and reply with that. Probably got your response off discord *grin*https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't ask someone else to come into the thread and reply with that. Probably got your response off discord *grin*
Hold on, let me think of someone who might appreciate this gem fully.
Oh I know, hey @Derra have you tried bursting those nasty shield stacking sorcs with that light attack > puncture > bash combo?
We have a pro player here claiming that it works great. Bursting players that is. The only thing it's bursted so far is my tummy from laughing rofl
You're a funny guy @Xsorus don't stop being who you are, you made my morning better today. Almost spilled my coffee but feeling much better, thanks. 4 -
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1) Consider tuning down offensive heavy armor sets, there should be no reason for me to run heavy armor and have more damage overall than in medium.
2) Restrict armor actives to their armor tree, 5+ pieces required to use that active ability. No more shuffle on heavy armor, in fact, major evasion in heavy armor probably shouldn't be allowed at all.
1) Completely disagree (it's like u want ravager, 7th legion, Sergeant's mail etc. all to be removed? Cmon bruh...)
2) Completely agree (but what about crafted heavy hist bark though?)
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't ask someone else to come into the thread and reply with that. Probably got your response off discord *grin*
Hold on, let me think of someone who might appreciate this gem fully.
Oh I know, hey @Derra have you tried bursting those nasty shield stacking sorcs with that light attack > puncture > bash combo?
We have a pro player here claiming that it works great. Bursting players that is. The only thing it's bursted so far is my tummy from laughing rofl
You're a funny guy @Xsorus don't stop being who you are, you made my morning better today. Almost spilled my coffee but feeling much better, thanks.
Have you tried dodging those heavy attacks from those heavy armor users? Oh wait, you can't dodge them cause you're in heavy or is it medium..I can never tell *grin*
Instead of creating threads about how you can't win duels against a bunch of Wayrest players, maybe you should spend time perfecting your builds..and avoiding heavy attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't ask someone else to come into the thread and reply with that. Probably got your response off discord *grin*
Hold on, let me think of someone who might appreciate this gem fully.
Oh I know, hey @Derra have you tried bursting those nasty shield stacking sorcs with that light attack > puncture > bash combo?
We have a pro player here claiming that it works great. Bursting players that is. The only thing it's bursted so far is my tummy from laughing rofl
You're a funny guy @Xsorus don't stop being who you are, you made my morning better today. Almost spilled my coffee but feeling much better, thanks.
Have you tried dodging those heavy attacks from those heavy armor users? Oh wait, you can't dodge them cause you're in heavy or is it medium..I can never tell *grin*
Instead of creating threads about how you can't win duels against a bunch of Wayrest players, maybe you should spend time perfecting your builds..and avoiding heavy attacks.
Would you say that heavy armor stamplar would be widely considered as shite by today's standards? What about a dueling situation with basic sets like heavy shacklebreaker + bp etc? Let's see what you know bud, speak up.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE
I seen that video; have you tried actually dueling players with that setup? Cause I suspect that's not your dueling setup..https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭IMHO:
Comparing constitution to regen is not valid. Regen applies all the time when you're not blocking. Constitution implies you need to take continuous damage, and survive.
Comparing duels to open-world is not valid either. HA is powerful in 1v1 situations, but open-world the lack of mobility and sustain (without taking damage) is punishing. Landing heavy attacks for sustain is not easy (hello rolly polly), and it takes some precious channelling time.
All in all, I think the trade-off between outliving the damage and getting a damage boost is fair in open-world.
That Shuffle is not restricted to wearing 5 medium pieces - completely absurd, this should have been implemented on Day One.
2¢.
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DeHei✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE
I seen that video; have you tried actually dueling players with that setup? Cause I suspect that's not your dueling setup..
I dont change it, it is my allround PvP setup and works very good DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE
I seen that video; have you tried actually dueling players with that setup? Cause I suspect that's not your dueling setup..
I dont change it, it is my allround PvP setup and works very good
Gotcha; I would love to see some dueling videos if you post them. Curious how effective that setup actually is against CP players in a duel. Also you got any AVA fights in just random encounters?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭IMHO:
Comparing constitution to regen is not valid. Regen applies all the time when you're not blocking. Constitution implies you need to take continuous damage, and survive.
Comparing duels to open-world is not valid either. HA is powerful in 1v1 situations, but open-world the lack of mobility and sustain (without taking damage) is punishing. Landing heavy attacks for sustain is not easy (hello rolly polly), and it takes some precious channelling time.
All in all, I think the trade-off between outliving the damage and getting a damage boost is fair in open-world.
That Shuffle is not restricted to wearing 5 medium pieces - completely absurd, this should have been implemented on Day One.
2¢.
i actually wouldn't be opposed to something like this, but Heavy Armor skill would have to actually ya know...be made not to be complete *** compared to Shuffle and Harness Magicka.
I mean its not a terrible skill, ok its pretty terrible..but a lot of it has to do with its insane cost; esp if you're wearing 5 heavy...I mean last I checked it was what? Over 4k freakin stamina.... I think it cost less then that to bloody just Break free without the skill attached.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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0utLaw✭✭✭Now the resource return, at least imo, is fine in heavy. You still need to stack regen in order to have no sustain issues. The problem lies in the fact that heavy can ditch out insane damage while at the same time restoring resources. My suggestion to this is to change the last passive so it goes like this: increase stam return blablabla but also decreases the damage your heavy attacks do by (like) 60-70%.
Just ROFL!
You just killed all Heavy Attacks builds. How dare you, sir?
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DeHei✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE
I seen that video; have you tried actually dueling players with that setup? Cause I suspect that's not your dueling setup..
I dont change it, it is my allround PvP setup and works very good
Gotcha; I would love to see some dueling videos if you post them. Curious how effective that setup actually is against CP players in a duel. Also you got any AVA fights in just random encounters?
No, just real experienced PvP guys. I think random means nothing, how effective a build is. AVA i try allways to find some smallscale groups to fight them solo, but this happened not anymore very often. 10+ guys are normal...DeHei - EP Magicka Templar AllrounderDe Hei(Youtube)0 -
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✭✭✭I don't see a reason why "duel builds" should be in the game at all (at least not to the extend that they currently are). Sure, the game isn't balanced around duels but there's a difference between not balancing around duels and giving no f*cks about duels at all.
Actually these duel builds work pretty well open world if you aren't interested in 1vX. If everything you do is zerging or fights with around even numbers then I don't see a reason to not pick heavy armor over medium armor because you don't need any zerg protection in these cases (which is in my opinion the only advantage from medium armor over heavy armor).I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't ask someone else to come into the thread and reply with that. Probably got your response off discord *grin*
Hold on, let me think of someone who might appreciate this gem fully.
Oh I know, hey @Derra have you tried bursting those nasty shield stacking sorcs with that light attack > puncture > bash combo?
We have a pro player here claiming that it works great. Bursting players that is. The only thing it's bursted so far is my tummy from laughing rofl
You're a funny guy @Xsorus don't stop being who you are, you made my morning better today. Almost spilled my coffee but feeling much better, thanks.
Have you tried dodging those heavy attacks from those heavy armor users? Oh wait, you can't dodge them cause you're in heavy or is it medium..I can never tell *grin*
Instead of creating threads about how you can't win duels against a bunch of Wayrest players, maybe you should spend time perfecting your builds..and avoiding heavy attacks.
Would you say that heavy armor stamplar would be widely considered as shite by today's standards? What about a dueling situation with basic sets like heavy shacklebreaker + bp etc? Let's see what you know bud, speak up.
I ran heavy armor pre nerf on my stamplar, Not sure i'd do it post nerf to be honest; and understand I ran *** like Fury/Ravager combo for stupid amounts of weapon damage.
I think Stamplar probably does better post patch with Medium to be honest; this is coming from a AVA situation though. As for Shackle/BP, Could work i guess, I mean its kinda like Hulking/BP so you're looking at what? 42k stamina? Why would you not run medium armor is the question? you're not going to be blocking on a Stamplar and you're going to be running DW/2 hander nine times out of ten i'd say... So really all you're getting is the extra mitigation but losing out on a *** load of damage in my opinion.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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The proctards you were seeing had most definitely shite healing. They had less than 30k stamina and very low weapon dmg to be able to achieve high regen. They didnt need the wpn dmg because of procs and built in burst to the stamblade toolkit. Stamblades always had the worst healing. That was never their defence. And even if they had a good amount of self healing they were still the most squishy builds in the game. They cant take a hit like you can. Do not compare them to ur build. They are designed not to take a hit. Not just their builds or medium armor. Their whole class is designed around dodging dmg.
There is a difference between burst and sustained dmg. Light attack, ranscak, bash existed before but it wasnt for huge burst. And at the current state of the game u are most definitely not going to burst anyone down with that. There is no comparison between that and a dizzying swing combo or NB combo.
You can get more mobility than them because u are a stam sorc. Not because u built for it. You didnt. You actually disregarded a part of the mobility ur class gives you by not putting streak on ur bar. Even heavy armor sorcs have super high mobility. NBs fully utilize the strengths of medium armor. You dont. I dont have a very narrow mind of what medium armor means. Im just looking at facts. SnB have passives that work better with heavy. Not with medium. Period. Thats not a debate. You are not utilizing the regen medium passives either. You are free to get away with 1700 regen because of dark deal and if u dont roll you can still take a hit because of impreg. Which you can use because ur dmg is taken care with procs and because of the fact that u can run low regen with dark deal. They stack 3k regen cause they f*cking need it. They cant take a hit.
You are the narrow minded here that cant see that ur medium armor build is a result of certain mechanics and sets unrelated to medium.
And do not compare black rose, fury with ur build. That two entirely different playstyles. Fury gives a fuckton of weapon dmg. You dont need that because of procs. There is no comparison. Thats what procs do. They negate the need of weapon dmg because they do the dmg for you. And they do it with burst which is even better. Impreg vs black rose its common sense which has the highest survivability. Try ur build in heavy. Or just watch fengrush. He did it for you.
And lol at ur example with the video. You just showed a fight from a time when the game was fundamentally different with different mechanics to prove ur point. Thats like making a hybrid build now and saying its viable because back in the day it was viable. Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Again, I run the proctard build on my stamina nightblade, you're trying to tell me what those builds can and cannot do when I bloody run the build. The fact that you're telling me that they have less then 30k stamina tells me you didn't run the setup ever, or low weapon damage. When I ran eternal hunt on the setup I had over 30k stamina as a khajiit of all things. And if the above poster thinks vigor and rally is bad healing I don't know what to tell ya. It's some of the best healing in the game for staying alive. It's extremely potent when your effective health is increased substantially by stealth and dodging as well.
As for taking a hit, they can take a hit, I've taken plenty of hits in the setup. Are they as tanks as my stamina sorc, no... but to pretend they can't take a hit is just silly.
I choose not to use streak on a stamina sorc because I've not needed it yet. When I'm straight up faster then most of the classes in the game I don't need it. Yes it would be useful there is no doubt. It is however not needed or required if a stamina sorc.
Which passive work better with heavy that you're seeing by the way? The only one that I can see that cross between heavy and 1hd shield now would be constitution, which ate a fat nerf and I don't need because I'm not setup to be block heavy. You're basically at this point saying all 1hd shield builds should be heavy armor only because you're narrow minded on its capabilities. It's like saying medium armor users shouldn't use the restro staff because they're not magicka.
Also I bloody switched from 800 regen to 1700 regen for a reason. You say I don't use it but trust me I use it because you can't always dark deal in a fight.
Also why are you saying I take a hit cause of impregnable, impregnable let's me run well fitted, if I was using another set my ass would still have impen on all my armor. This is true for all my builds. I don't skimp on impen and that includes my stamina nightblade.
Fengrush ran his heavy armor build pre morrow-wind, this made sense because black rose was super good and cost reduction wasn't removed from CP, you go try running my setup as a heavy armor version right now and tell me how you do mate. There is a reason all the former heavy armor users have swapped back to medium. There is zero way I'd touch black rose right now and be anywhere near as tank and mobile as a medium armor impregnable build. I get zero from it.. it is not worth running it as someone who plays the setup and is telling you how it works.
As for the video I wanted to show you that it's narrow minded to believe certain things should be a certain way in the game, and ironically hybrid builds at this point are the closest they've been in forever to those days.
No, i run the setup. You didnt. The proctard stamblade build is using eternal, viper, selene with gold food. In CP campaigns u will have roughly 30k stamina and in no CP (where the build shines) much less. You dont have to take my word for it. Just check the video of the guy who actually created the build or sypher's footage of using it. Regardless of that, u can use the dubious drink and get more stamina. You still wont have "extremely good healing". 1.5k vigor ticks wont save you when u are taking 5k+ spammables.
And no, u dont take full advantage of the medium regen passive. You have zero sustain through ur sets and u achieve a relatively low 1.7k regen. Stamblades push 3k regen. There is no comparison between ur build and theirs. You chose to incorporate other defenses into ur build that are not related to medium armor. They build around medium armor defenses only.
I didnt say snb should be heavy builds. I said it works better with heavy and not with medium. Snb gives you blocking capabilities that work better with heavy and not with medium. Whether you choose to utilize those passives its ur choice but you cant deny the fact that snb works better with heavy. Period.
Fengrush ran heavy impreg, viper, tremor when morrowind launched and in his footage he has the same dmg, sustain, mobility you do with the exception that he is way more tanky than you are. I told you that u are running a worse version of what fengrush ran.
I know what you wanted to show with the video. The problem is that the video shows footage from prety much a different game. You cant use it to prove anything now.
I tried to explain you. Your build is a result of mechanics and sets unrelated to medium that allow you to get a feeling of medium armor. You didnt build around medium armor.Edited by pieratsos on August 21, 2017 10:19AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE
I seen that video; have you tried actually dueling players with that setup? Cause I suspect that's not your dueling setup..
I dont change it, it is my allround PvP setup and works very good
Gotcha; I would love to see some dueling videos if you post them. Curious how effective that setup actually is against CP players in a duel. Also you got any AVA fights in just random encounters?
No, just real experienced PvP guys. I think random means nothing, how effective a build is. AVA i try allways to find some smallscale groups to fight them solo, but this happened not anymore very often. 10+ guys are normal...
Post any videos ya got; would love to see it in a CP setup without other players with ya is what i'm getting at.
I see AVA fights are the same on euro as NA *grin*
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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DeHei✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE
I seen that video; have you tried actually dueling players with that setup? Cause I suspect that's not your dueling setup..
I dont change it, it is my allround PvP setup and works very good
Gotcha; I would love to see some dueling videos if you post them. Curious how effective that setup actually is against CP players in a duel. Also you got any AVA fights in just random encounters?
No, just real experienced PvP guys. I think random means nothing, how effective a build is. AVA i try allways to find some smallscale groups to fight them solo, but this happened not anymore very often. 10+ guys are normal...
Post any videos ya got; would love to see it in a CP setup without other players with ya is what i'm getting at.
I see AVA fights are the same on euro as NA *grin*
Like some other player allready need to learn, that common EU PvPler are stronger then your at NA. This is not my opinion, but what i readed several times here in forum from guys, who switched from NA to EU.
But the AvA zergfights are surely the same
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Heavy is going to beat medium in duels 9 out of 10 times because it increases healing and HP while providing comparable dmg but less mobility. Also heavy armor sets are straightup better than what medium can offer.
Heavy for open world is kinda limited and only worth it on classes that are immobile by design as it works with their strengh while medium is not able to provide enough mobility for "slow" classes to escape any sticky situation.
For magica the only reason (since the addition of impregnable and wizards riposte) to run heavy is magica return through mistform and stamina return through block (imo).
If i were to nerf sth it would not be heavy but 1h+shield blocking aswell as ulti + resto ulti.<Noricum>
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The proctards you were seeing had most definitely shite healing. They had less than 30k stamina and very low weapon dmg to be able to achieve high regen. They didnt need the wpn dmg because of procs and built in burst to the stamblade toolkit. Stamblades always had the worst healing. That was never their defence. And even if they had a good amount of self healing they were still the most squishy builds in the game. They cant take a hit like you can. Do not compare them to ur build. They are designed not to take a hit. Not just their builds or medium armor. Their whole class is designed around dodging dmg.
There is a difference between burst and sustained dmg. Light attack, ranscak, bash existed before but it wasnt for huge burst. And at the current state of the game u are most definitely not going to burst anyone down with that. There is no comparison between that and a dizzying swing combo or NB combo.
You can get more mobility than them because u are a stam sorc. Not because u built for it. You didnt. You actually disregarded a part of the mobility ur class gives you by not putting streak on ur bar. Even heavy armor sorcs have super high mobility. NBs fully utilize the strengths of medium armor. You dont. I dont have a very narrow mind of what medium armor means. Im just looking at facts. SnB have passives that work better with heavy. Not with medium. Period. Thats not a debate. You are not utilizing the regen medium passives either. You are free to get away with 1700 regen because of dark deal and if u dont roll you can still take a hit because of impreg. Which you can use because ur dmg is taken care with procs and because of the fact that u can run low regen with dark deal. They stack 3k regen cause they f*cking need it. They cant take a hit.
You are the narrow minded here that cant see that ur medium armor build is a result of certain mechanics and sets unrelated to medium.
And do not compare black rose, fury with ur build. That two entirely different playstyles. Fury gives a fuckton of weapon dmg. You dont need that because of procs. There is no comparison. Thats what procs do. They negate the need of weapon dmg because they do the dmg for you. And they do it with burst which is even better. Impreg vs black rose its common sense which has the highest survivability. Try ur build in heavy. Or just watch fengrush. He did it for you.
And lol at ur example with the video. You just showed a fight from a time when the game was fundamentally different with different mechanics to prove ur point. Thats like making a hybrid build now and saying its viable because back in the day it was viable. Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Again, I run the proctard build on my stamina nightblade, you're trying to tell me what those builds can and cannot do when I bloody run the build. The fact that you're telling me that they have less then 30k stamina tells me you didn't run the setup ever, or low weapon damage. When I ran eternal hunt on the setup I had over 30k stamina as a khajiit of all things. And if the above poster thinks vigor and rally is bad healing I don't know what to tell ya. It's some of the best healing in the game for staying alive. It's extremely potent when your effective health is increased substantially by stealth and dodging as well.
As for taking a hit, they can take a hit, I've taken plenty of hits in the setup. Are they as tanks as my stamina sorc, no... but to pretend they can't take a hit is just silly.
I choose not to use streak on a stamina sorc because I've not needed it yet. When I'm straight up faster then most of the classes in the game I don't need it. Yes it would be useful there is no doubt. It is however not needed or required if a stamina sorc.
Which passive work better with heavy that you're seeing by the way? The only one that I can see that cross between heavy and 1hd shield now would be constitution, which ate a fat nerf and I don't need because I'm not setup to be block heavy. You're basically at this point saying all 1hd shield builds should be heavy armor only because you're narrow minded on its capabilities. It's like saying medium armor users shouldn't use the restro staff because they're not magicka.
Also I bloody switched from 800 regen to 1700 regen for a reason. You say I don't use it but trust me I use it because you can't always dark deal in a fight.
Also why are you saying I take a hit cause of impregnable, impregnable let's me run well fitted, if I was using another set my ass would still have impen on all my armor. This is true for all my builds. I don't skimp on impen and that includes my stamina nightblade.
Fengrush ran his heavy armor build pre morrow-wind, this made sense because black rose was super good and cost reduction wasn't removed from CP, you go try running my setup as a heavy armor version right now and tell me how you do mate. There is a reason all the former heavy armor users have swapped back to medium. There is zero way I'd touch black rose right now and be anywhere near as tank and mobile as a medium armor impregnable build. I get zero from it.. it is not worth running it as someone who plays the setup and is telling you how it works.
As for the video I wanted to show you that it's narrow minded to believe certain things should be a certain way in the game, and ironically hybrid builds at this point are the closest they've been in forever to those days.
No, i run the setup. You didnt. The proctard stamblade build is using eternal, viper, selene with gold food. In CP campaigns u will have roughly 30k stamina and in no CP (where the build shines) much less. You dont have to take my word for it. Just check the video of the guy who actually created the build or sypher's footage of using it. Regardless of that, u can use the dubious drink and get more stamina. You still wont have "extremely good healing". 1.5k vigor ticks wont save you when u are taking 5k+ spammables.
And no, u dont take full advantage of the medium regen passive. You have zero sustain through ur sets and u achieve a relatively low 1.7k regen. Stamblades push 3k regen. There is no comparison between ur build and theirs. You chose to incorporate other defenses into ur build that are not related to medium armor. They build around medium armor defenses only.
I didnt say snb should be heavy builds. I said it works better with heavy and not with medium. Snb gives you blocking capabilities that work better with heavy and not with medium. Whether you choose to utilize those passives its ur choice but you cant deny the fact that snb works better with heavy. Period.
Fengrush ran heavy impreg, viper, tremor when morrowind launched and in his footage he has the same dmg, sustain, mobility you do with the exception that he is way more tanky than you are. I told you that u are running a worse version of what fengrush ran.
I know what you wanted to show with the video. The problem is that the video shows footage from prety much a different game. You cant use it to prove anything now.
I tried to explain you. Your build is a result of mechanics and sets unrelated to medium that allow you to get a feeling of medium armor. You didnt build around medium armor.
I ran the setup mate; I know exactly what stats i had on the setup. I also don't tick for 1.5k vigor you're taking the word of someone else on that one *grin*
1.7k Regen is not super low, and it works when you're in full well fitted and have dark deal for example. I could achieve higher if I wanted to swap out viper. My main defense is Dodge roll hence why i run well fitted, we've been over this multiple times right now.
Again why do you think Blocking capabilities work better with heavy, please explain. I looked at his video, You are looking at a no CP setup with him doing BG's with his group. Do you see any post morrow wind videos of him running that setup solo? Why do you think that is? Why do you think he swapped out of it?https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't ask someone else to come into the thread and reply with that. Probably got your response off discord *grin*
Hold on, let me think of someone who might appreciate this gem fully.
Oh I know, hey @Derra have you tried bursting those nasty shield stacking sorcs with that light attack > puncture > bash combo?
We have a pro player here claiming that it works great. Bursting players that is. The only thing it's bursted so far is my tummy from laughing rofl
You're a funny guy @Xsorus don't stop being who you are, you made my morning better today. Almost spilled my coffee but feeling much better, thanks.
Have you tried dodging those heavy attacks from those heavy armor users? Oh wait, you can't dodge them cause you're in heavy or is it medium..I can never tell *grin*
Instead of creating threads about how you can't win duels against a bunch of Wayrest players, maybe you should spend time perfecting your builds..and avoiding heavy attacks.
Would you say that heavy armor stamplar would be widely considered as shite by today's standards? What about a dueling situation with basic sets like heavy shacklebreaker + bp etc? Let's see what you know bud, speak up.
I ran heavy armor pre nerf on my stamplar, Not sure i'd do it post nerf to be honest; and understand I ran *** like Fury/Ravager combo for stupid amounts of weapon damage.
I think Stamplar probably does better post patch with Medium to be honest; this is coming from a AVA situation though. As for Shackle/BP, Could work i guess, I mean its kinda like Hulking/BP so you're looking at what? 42k stamina? Why would you not run medium armor is the question? you're not going to be blocking on a Stamplar and you're going to be running DW/2 hander nine times out of ten i'd say... So really all you're getting is the extra mitigation but losing out on a *** load of damage in my opinion.
Alright, since you want to see duels and you want to see me get rekt by those heavies, enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9Dos673hA
Done?
As you can imagine, most of my stam opponents are in medium and we have some light armor with maybe 1-2 heavy users, which are still not a problem to dispatch due to the damage that I can achieve.
Also, pay special attention to the last 2-3 fights with the other stamplar.
That's one of the better stamplars on PC EU, his main character is a stamplar and he's in medium. I barely play stamplar (even at that point) and prior to that didn't play it for weeks, and of course, I'm in heavy. There is no way that you can tell me that medium is better in heavy in that fight, I won both fights without actually trying much and I had a much harder time killing him on my mag sorc (we had some duels before that).
My point stands. Medium is fun and can be useful in certain situations, it's just that heavy is better if you know what to do. There's more to a build than just armor type, and if you put all the pieces of the puzzle in the right order, heavy will benefit you more.
Shuffle on heavy is ridiculously bad design. You are building to take hits, adding another layer of mitigation on top is just wrong. At most there should be just minor evasion on heavy builds, absolutely 100% no major evasion in 5+ heavy.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
I will show you next time a video for duelling. I dont had time to produce it. Here just a short view in BGs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRbhdUXdppE
I seen that video; have you tried actually dueling players with that setup? Cause I suspect that's not your dueling setup..
I dont change it, it is my allround PvP setup and works very good
Gotcha; I would love to see some dueling videos if you post them. Curious how effective that setup actually is against CP players in a duel. Also you got any AVA fights in just random encounters?
No, just real experienced PvP guys. I think random means nothing, how effective a build is. AVA i try allways to find some smallscale groups to fight them solo, but this happened not anymore very often. 10+ guys are normal...
Post any videos ya got; would love to see it in a CP setup without other players with ya is what i'm getting at.
I see AVA fights are the same on euro as NA *grin*
Like some other player allready need to learn, that common EU PvPler are stronger then your at NA. This is not my opinion, but what i readed several times here in forum from guys, who switched from NA to EU.
But the AvA zergfights are surely the same
I like to fight smallscale more
I've seen that argument in the past, that common EU players are better in previous games. I've always found it not to be true. You deal with different meta's it seems. I hate to use GW2 but that's the last game i swapped between NA and euro on....Euro servers had like zero BM Bunker builds running around on Ranger for example..and I just stomped the *** out of everyone I came across because they never fought that type of ranger setup. Maybe that's Legendary issue, he's running into different things that I do.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
as for your experience at dueling; you made a thread whining about heavy armor being better then medium armor while making all your builds medium armor; I take it you were found wanting in your duels against better players and decided to change the game instead of getting better.
Ok dude, now I'm getting sick of your bull*hit for real.
First of all, when someone opens a thread to explain why something is overpowered, it doesn't mean he's 1) not playing it himself, 2) has problems with it himself. Understand that?
Get that stupid mentality out of your head ASAP, it makes you look ridiculous and simply annoying.
The only person whining in this thread is you, when it's absolutely clear you have zero clue about; 1) what burst is, 2) how heavy armor builds are made, 3) how to fight competent opponents in such setups.
I've put up with all of your stupid statements so far, ignoring you in the hope of letting you vent out and move on, but you just don't know when to stop do you?
What other idiotic statement you want me to deal with now? How I say heavy is OP but play medium? If you ever bothered to read or listen to what I say, it goes like this, and I mention this in many videos, pay close attention:
- Heavy armor is stronger and more effective.
- Medium is more fun as demonstrated by decimus, not all players enjoy a tanky s/b setup.
- I like playing both but I often opt-in for heavy in order to last longer in those zergy fights.
- I have no problems dodging attacks, of any kind, be it heavy attacks or skills, perhaps @Ragnaroek93 can confirm my sorc playstyle?
- I prefer medium armor for a stam char, and as I said, I like it more than heavy, but that does not under any circumstances mean that I'm playing it more often or doing more builds around it.
You linking 2-3 medium armor builds, out of DOZENS of heavy ones that I did so far proves absolutely nothing. This is why I told you to stop spamming the thread with your nonsense, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are too arrogant to even read what someone writes, let alone consider it for a moment, hence the easiest way of dealing with you - can you please stop spamming the thread with your nonsense?
So now that we've established how your accusations are baseless, arguments ridiculous and the tone of your reply screams of someone who thinks he knows a lot more than he does, when other players tell him that he's wrong, what do we do next?
Hopefully educate you a bit further. Again, read carefully:
You are wrong. Heavy is stronger than medium. I played with dozens of great players and they all say the same thing, and I agree based on my extensive personal experience, having fought many battles in BOTH medium and heavy.
Just because YOU cannot make a good heavy build, doesn't mean that it's weaker, it just means that you don't know how to do it effectively. And that's all man, stop being offended when you're told that you don't know something. You don't. Get over it and for the last time, stop spamming this thread with posts about you, or how knowledgeable you are or whatever. You're not, you just think you are.
I can make an effective heavy armor build; in fact I told you exactly what classes will and can do it. Does it mean heavy armor has more damage and sustain then medium? No it does not.
You say you made dozens of heavy armor builds but I pulled directly from your own website of builds you posted in the past few months and they're all medium armor ones. I personally expected the dragon knight one ya did to be heavy but nope, it was medium armor as well.
When I point this out you cry that I don't know pvp and you demand others come in this thread to back up an argument you can't back up yourself.
But hey what do I know, you're the mighty euro player with vast dueling experience *grin*
I look forward to all your heavy armor videos and builds lol@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
Ok lets give us to test this. You are on PC/EU, too?
I allways like to give a feedback over duelling and not only with words. You will see what i mean, there was only 1 stamina nightblade in medium armor in last several weeks, who could win 1 duell with a lucky punch. All other were dodging to death...
I'm on PC/NA, i figured you would know this.
And you got bursted by those stamina nbs huh, hard to heal through those heal debuffs huhLegendaryMage wrote: »@Xsorus hey man, maybe you do well with your build. The guys here are right, that you would maybe do more well with a heavy armor build instead of medium. If you dont want to do that, i will agree with you, that is working fine for you.
BUT the main problem with the actually changes of skills and builds, more and more people run with attacks and skills, which are not dodgable. For example i would easily destroy your build every time.
You would do much better with shuffle in heavy armor because of damage mitigation and more heal. Just ask LeonDeDefiler (PC/EU), the best stamsorc i know in PvP, how he is playing.
But this is just a tipp. If you dont want a change or just a test to become better, you dont need to change anything. In my opinion you can do better
I've done heavy armor; I know for a fact it wouldn't do better. I think I know from my own experience what works and what does not work. I've played this game for quite some time and can gauge what is effective and what is not effective.
As for you destroying me everytime; You're welcome to try mate.
This thread is not about you or how good you are in PVP. I'm sure no one cares about that. So give it a break on ego-driven arrogant posts and retorts, rather learn some humility before entering a thread with a reply that's crafted in such a way to discredit someone who has a lot more fighting and dueling experience than you ever will.
As for how good or bad DeHei is on his magicka templar, just don't man. You'll get melted in 30 seconds or less, guaranteed. Heavy or no heavy, it doesn't matter, the guy is a top notch magicka templar dueler.
Now enough about this nonsense, let's get back on track and actually discuss heavy vs medium armor in ESO, not Xsorus vs everyone else and how good of a player and knowledgeable Xsorus is. Simply put, if you got nothing good to add, be quiet 'mate'.
I reply to those who reply to me mate; and DeHei i believe runs almost the exact same setup as I do on my magicka Templar; think he swaps out wizard for VMA staff and willpower though; but i know the burst of overwhelming and valkyn skoria on a magicka Templar and it is very obscene.
I also know what pressures that setup. But I'd say given the burst he'd probably win 60/40 any fights we had. Depends on how often Templar burst and skoria hit at the same time.
I play a very unique build mate
Its not to difficult to heal against stamina burst nightblades. Nearly all time you need to wait for fear or directly incap and then assassin´s scourge together with other burst. But this is the common combination. Trust me i can outheal that
A good nightblade will deal much damage over axe bleedings and weaponattack and skills to make much pressure allready and use that named combination to finish. The problem against my build is just, he cant stay to long in my areadamagefields
Next time i will upload some duells, if you are interested
Just make sure they're better then 420p, but your build is going to end up being the same as every other Templar setup. Delayed burst into skoria.
I know the setup, I know it's capabilities... pre patch I'd win most of the fights I bet with my burst, post patch you're going to win more for sure. Our Templar burst somehow escaped the nerf last patch. I was certain skoria was going to get hit.
Oh wow, you sure told me. Now go back to "bursting players" with your light attack > puncture > bash combo.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't ask someone else to come into the thread and reply with that. Probably got your response off discord *grin*
Hold on, let me think of someone who might appreciate this gem fully.
Oh I know, hey @Derra have you tried bursting those nasty shield stacking sorcs with that light attack > puncture > bash combo?
We have a pro player here claiming that it works great. Bursting players that is. The only thing it's bursted so far is my tummy from laughing rofl
You're a funny guy @Xsorus don't stop being who you are, you made my morning better today. Almost spilled my coffee but feeling much better, thanks.
Have you tried dodging those heavy attacks from those heavy armor users? Oh wait, you can't dodge them cause you're in heavy or is it medium..I can never tell *grin*
Instead of creating threads about how you can't win duels against a bunch of Wayrest players, maybe you should spend time perfecting your builds..and avoiding heavy attacks.
Would you say that heavy armor stamplar would be widely considered as shite by today's standards? What about a dueling situation with basic sets like heavy shacklebreaker + bp etc? Let's see what you know bud, speak up.
I ran heavy armor pre nerf on my stamplar, Not sure i'd do it post nerf to be honest; and understand I ran *** like Fury/Ravager combo for stupid amounts of weapon damage.
I think Stamplar probably does better post patch with Medium to be honest; this is coming from a AVA situation though. As for Shackle/BP, Could work i guess, I mean its kinda like Hulking/BP so you're looking at what? 42k stamina? Why would you not run medium armor is the question? you're not going to be blocking on a Stamplar and you're going to be running DW/2 hander nine times out of ten i'd say... So really all you're getting is the extra mitigation but losing out on a *** load of damage in my opinion.
Alright, since you want to see duels and you want to see me get rekt by those heavies, enjoy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9Dos673hA
Done?
As you can imagine, most of my stam opponents are in medium and we have some light armor with maybe 1-2 heavy users, which are still not a problem to dispatch due to the damage that I can achieve.
Also, pay special attention to the last 2-3 fights with the other stamplar.
That's one of the better stamplars on PC EU, his main character is a stamplar and he's in medium. I barely play stamplar (even at that point) and prior to that didn't play it for weeks, and of course, I'm in heavy. There is no way that you can tell me that medium is better in heavy in that fight, I won both fights without actually trying much and I had a much harder time killing him on my mag sorc (we had some duels before that).
My point stands. Medium is fun and can be useful in certain situations, it's just that heavy is better if you know what to do. There's more to a build than just armor type, and if you put all the pieces of the puzzle in the right order, heavy will benefit you more.
Shuffle on heavy is ridiculously bad design. You are building to take hits, adding another layer of mitigation on top is just wrong. At most there should be just minor evasion on heavy builds, absolutely 100% no major evasion in 5+ heavy.
My question is why are you running Heavy in these duels, What are you getting out of it vs medium?
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✭✭✭✭✭I don´t get why this discussion is still going.
Heavy is going to beat medium in duels 9 out of 10 times because it increases healing and HP while providing comparable dmg but less mobility. Also heavy armor sets are straightup better than what medium can offer.
Heavy for open world is kinda limited and only worth it on classes that are immobile by design as it works with their strengh while medium is not able to provide enough mobility for "slow" classes to escape any sticky situation.
For magica the only reason (since the addition of impregnable and wizards riposte) to run heavy is magica return through mistform and stamina return through block (imo).
If i were to nerf sth it would not be heavy but 1h+shield blocking aswell as ulti + resto ulti.
I could agree with some of this, I don't think they beat medium 9/10 though but I agree it works well on certain classes..Stamina DK for example just meshes so well with Heavy.
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✭✭✭✭✭I've seen that argument in the past, that common EU players are better in previous games. I've always found it not to be true. You deal with different meta's it seems. I hate to use GW2 but that's the last game i swapped between NA and euro on....Euro servers had like zero BM Bunker builds running around on Ranger for example..and I just stomped the *** out of everyone I came across because they never fought that type of ranger setup. Maybe that's Legendary issue, he's running into different things that I do.
It´s not playerskill but mentality most of the time.
EU has one completely dominant faction from 6am to ~7pm. People on this faction run dedicated Xv1 templates because they know they´ll outnumber you in 9 out of 10 situations you encounter them.
Only game i played where EU and NA players got mixed was daoc and when the first EU guilds migrated before the eventual servermerge they went from 700 to 1m lwrp to roughly 1.5 to 2m because they stomped most NA groups from the beginning due to having a much more gvg focused and adapted scene on EU (also having a much longer primetime aswell).Edited by Derra on August 21, 2017 10:41AM<Noricum>
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Dillpat✭✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »Heavy armor is grossly overpowered compared to medium. It sustains just as good thanks to the rapid mending resource bonus, it has access to shuffle like medium and it can provide you with a bunch of damage thanks to an array of offensive heavy armor sets.
Fighting some of these characters becomes impossible when they're dealing more damage than you, sustain better by abusing a resource mechanic and can take 3 times more punishment before going down.
If anyone over there cares about PVP balance, I propose the following;
- Consider tuning down offensive heavy armor sets, there should be no reason for me to run heavy armor and have more damage overall than in medium.
- Restrict armor actives to their armor tree, 5+ pieces required to use that active ability. No more shuffle on heavy armor, in fact, major evasion in heavy armor probably shouldn't be allowed at all.
- Remove the resource sustain from rapid mending, in what world does it make sense to wield a two handed massive weapon in FULL heavy armor and actually replenish your resources at an increased rate? If you were worried about pve tanks not sustaining as well, don't - they sustain perfectly fine in dungeons, and the ones that don't, need to work on their builds a bit.
If you want to see more balanced pvp gameplay in ESO, you really need to look into this heavy armor meta, it will only get worse in time.
Oh and btw since I'm here, get rid of those proc sets, no one asked for them, no one competent likes them, having your armor do damage for you is incredibly stupid. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to miss the good old 1.5 pvp days too.
Have a good day.
In what world do you live in that you think Heavy has more sustain then Medium and more damage?
In a world where more experienced players than you play.
You wanna compare knowledge of the game with me?
Let's put out the simple facts for you mate.
Currently the two classes that are going to utilize heavy armor in PVP are dragon knights and Templars.
Dragon knights will utilize it because they get bloody stamina/magicka back from using ultimates and stamina back from casting earthen heart line. This is the only reason they generally are able to run something like 5 heavy. That magicka version of it simply runs it because it relies heavily on dots and blocking as they don't have freakin cloak or hardened ward to pick up the slack.
What about Templars? You can get away with using 5 heavy on a stamina Templar but since the resource nerf it's simply not viable hence why most of them you see will run something like 2 heavy with 5 medium to take advantage of ravager. Again they're rolling around in 5 medium for a reason. Magicka Templars esp healers will roll around in heavy armor but they're running heavy sustain through their skills and not heavy armor itself.
You don't see sorcs nor nightblades generally run heavy armor. They have zero need to; so when you say something like the heavy armor meta... I laugh at the sheer stupidity of it because the two most played pvp classes don't run heavy armor.
So step the hell off chump change.LegendaryMage wrote: »Heavy armor is grossly overpowered compared to medium. It sustains just as good thanks to the rapid mending resource bonus, it has access to shuffle like medium and it can provide you with a bunch of damage thanks to an array of offensive heavy armor sets.
Fighting some of these characters becomes impossible when they're dealing more damage than you, sustain better by abusing a resource mechanic and can take 3 times more punishment before going down.
If anyone over there cares about PVP balance, I propose the following;
- Consider tuning down offensive heavy armor sets, there should be no reason for me to run heavy armor and have more damage overall than in medium.
- Restrict armor actives to their armor tree, 5+ pieces required to use that active ability. No more shuffle on heavy armor, in fact, major evasion in heavy armor probably shouldn't be allowed at all.
- Remove the resource sustain from rapid mending, in what world does it make sense to wield a two handed massive weapon in FULL heavy armor and actually replenish your resources at an increased rate? If you were worried about pve tanks not sustaining as well, don't - they sustain perfectly fine in dungeons, and the ones that don't, need to work on their builds a bit.
If you want to see more balanced pvp gameplay in ESO, you really need to look into this heavy armor meta, it will only get worse in time.
Oh and btw since I'm here, get rid of those proc sets, no one asked for them, no one competent likes them, having your armor do damage for you is incredibly stupid. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to miss the good old 1.5 pvp days too.
Have a good day.
In what world do you live in that you think Heavy has more sustain then Medium and more damage?
See Ravager, Seventh Legion, et al.
See above.
No, I don't want to compare knowledge with you, I want to compare experience which you obviously do not have. Players like you can go around throwing numbers left and right, but as soon as they fail to demonstrate any practical experience in terms of theorycrafting or gameplay, it stops being relevant in my opinion.
Let me educate you a bit. I've played medium and heavy on all classes except Warden and I can confirm from experience that in a fight between two equally skilled (and geared) opponents, heavy is going to win every single time no discussion about it which is something that doesn't (and shouldn't) make sense at all from a logical perspective.
If you don't want to listen to me, listen to some other players who's opinions I respect and value, having seen them play the game and be very successful at it.
@Ragnaroek93 @Murador178 @Blobsky @Dillpat @Aelakhaii_De_Mythos @Derra @DeHei and more but this will do.Heavy armor isn't exactly giving you a ton of damage, nor is it giving a ton of sustain like black rose use to. IMO I feel like what the OP is frustrated with is that his opponents can create a clever alchemist build with heavy armor & wreck him within that small potion duration.
Nice try, but wrong on so many levels.
Heavy does give you more damage as demonstrated in a few examples above, mage doesn't 'get rekt' by clever alchemist (not that I can recall at least), mage simply notices the imbalance of heavy vs medium and thinks it's *** because mage also wants to play a rogue character in pvp like decimus but is forced into heavy armor every single time and he thinks this is wrong and unfair to many players that ARE running such builds in PVP and are getting packed left and right in medium because they simply cannot compete, with a play style they do not enjoy playing themselves (thank you Decimus, very well put).
So next time you show up to speculate as to why someone is opening a thread about anything, perhaps you should ask before putting out ridiculous conclusions.
As for alchemist, that set is not even that good compared to ravager, seventh and even fury. We're talking Cyrodiil here of course, in 1v1 it can be very strong but still nothing better than the previous ones.
nice post mage and it is true HA is still broke as hell, partly to do with the heavy attack sustain you can get through it beating the flat regen you can get when using medium, also the healing also means thats medium is not as good for classes such as stamplar and dk. @Dillpaat PC EU/NA
Just a laggy memer
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✭@Xsorus I am removing all these quotes, they're too long at this point.
To answer your first quote.
Why do you keep insisting I have a problem with heavy armor? I'm just saying it's overpowered compared to medium, the sets and builds aren't helping, the damn thing needs a bit of adjustments to cut off this cheese off of it.
Until then I'll run it just like everyone else. I got no problems with it myself but it's funny to see so many people complaining about 'pvp tanks' and how everyone is tanky and then when you propose that certain passives and mechanics are looked into (as well as rightful buffs to med), they tell you you're wrong and it's not how it should be done. Well then enjoy the elder tanks online, there's no third option I'm sorry.
To answer your second post.
What do I get? I get much better survivability if I'm matching your damage and sustain.
So if I can compete with you in a heavy build and outlast you by simply taking advantage of your squishiness (see what I mean?), and we have this argument that you can dodge roll more than me, which is simply negated by the amount of unblockable and unavoidable attacks where you're better off being in heavy (in order to take that damage more easily) and tactically dodging rather than spamming dodge via medium and well fitted.
For all the 1vX'ers, trees aren't going anywhere, they're stationary and spamming dodge roll will run even a medium build out of stamina eventually, so either you end the fight a bit quicker or you don't.
Not to mention better magicka sustain in heavy. I can cloak more than you, I can build more hp regen if I want for passive healing (granted nowadays major defile messes that up), I can synergize better with certain sets that are only available in heavy etc.
The PVP meta on EU is that most experienced players are running heavy builds because they incorporate all these (and I'm no different) elements that will take their build to a (pretty much) sustain and damage level of a medium (often even better damage), and at that point it just doesn't make sense to go in medium against 2-3 opponents and expect to last longer than 5 seconds unless they're really bad.
edit: forgot to tag you there dillbud, totally forgot you had a forum account. Edited by LegendaryMage on August 21, 2017 10:51AM2