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Single Wielding?
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Illurian✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm an old, worn out retired soldier who was arguing nitpicks on the internet when the percentage of forums outnumbered the pron. I tend to be more whimsically scant these days.
In my one line, I used sarcasm in a childish voice to convey the irony of the situation where a topic was alive with comments, yet some of those making many of the comments was also childishly attacking the comments of the others, all the while, and with others, complaining that all commentary should have been made back in the time of any previous threads.
This continued thereafter.
The literary irony... it burns.
This, as with many other comments in this thread, are not constructive to the wonderful conceptual spitballing going on in the rest of it and fully expect it to be deleted. I beg the one handed topic participants their pardon.
So much text and yet still not a participant of any significance.
"I'm gonna show you how childish you are by being a child myself"
Contrary to popular belief, fighting fire with fire isn't always the answer.Kiss the chaos.0 -
Joffi✭✭✭So much text and yet still not a participant of any significance.
"I'm gonna show you how childish you are by being a child myself"
Contrary to popular belief, fighting fire with fire isn't always the answer.
Exactly. Thank you for continuing your part. But really, shouldn't the thread be given back to those that want to discus ideas about single wielding?
(This is called pointed sarcasm. It, along with rest of my comments should also be called satire or lampooning. When attempting to debase the legitimate comments of others, one should take care not completely miss the satirical responses for which they themselves are a target. But then this is common among the trolls who wish to raise themselves by lowering others. See what I did there? I used your own tactic. Again.)
@ZOS_AntonioP @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_RyanM or the like wanna clean this up?"Bah... This is not the way... "
PC EU
Tempora Jof, Daggerfall Covenant, Breton, Sorcerer, Vampire: "Being good is hard..."
Jurfi da Nord, Aldmeri Dominion, Nord,Warden, Vampire: "Serving my own needs is easy."
Randal the Second, Ebonheart Pact, Dark Elf, Dragonknight: "I refuse to feel the ex-slaver guilt I have."
Inos sal'Ma'Nefic, Aldmeri Dominion, Imperial, Templar: "Heals by accident count, eh? Eh?"
Desdenada Jof, Ebonheart Pact, High Elf, Sorcerer: "Righteousness is its own edict."
Joffi da Rat, Aldmeri Dominion, Wood Elf, Nightblade: "Bah, this is not the way..."
Indigo sal'Ma'Nefic, Daggerfall Covenant, Redguard, Dragonknight: "For glory!"1 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bladerunner1 wrote: »Well I haven't taken part in this discussion before so here's a new piece of never-before heard input.
Grappling and close-quarters can be fun, but I miss being able to lob fireballs while slashing at things with a one-handed weapon like in the other ES games. However DPS would be gimped terribly under the current combat system that punishes Hybrids, so I'd happily take the green goblin path and let green poison balls and green poison gas spew forth from my off-hand if it means I can essentially get the same experience.
Either they should make the skill line all stamina skills, or find a non-punishing way to wield a sword as a mage.
So one of the formerly discussed ideas (and rumours that eventually turned out to be nothing but myth) was to have a "one handed sword and rune" skill line. Before Morrowind was released, there was official artwork that portrayed it (a swordsman with a sword in one hand and wielding magic in the other), but was debunked as just conceptual and not at all reflective of a new skill line.
It's been said before.
More than that. From day one the official trailers have the Elf woman holding a sword in one hand, throwing spells with the other.
So not just "conceptual" but deeply embedded into the way the game was advertised.
I'd like ZoS to get creative and introduce the one-hand-plus-spell combined with spellcrafting - and I've probably said the same in all the other previous posts about the one handed skill line:)
And I've also said it would be just too cool to ever happen
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Illurian✭✭✭✭✭
✭So much text and yet still not a participant of any significance.
"I'm gonna show you how childish you are by being a child myself"
Contrary to popular belief, fighting fire with fire isn't always the answer.
Exactly. Thank you for continuing your part. But really, shouldn't the thread be given back to those that want to discus ideas about single wielding?
(This is called pointed sarcasm. It, along with rest of my comments should also be called satire or lampooning. When attempting to debase the legitimate comments of others, one should take care not completely miss the satirical responses for which they themselves are a target. But then this is common among the trolls who wish to raise themselves by lowering others. See what I did there? I used your own tactic. Again.)
@ZOS_AntonioP @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_RyanM or the like wanna clean this up?
Mate, you can keep jerking yourself off about your master troll trap but you will still be nothing more than just another troll on the internet. Less than a dime a dozen.
You have yet to add anything to the conversation (be it about single wielding or about this thread being an empty husk of a re-run). You've essentially done the equivalent of walking into a boardroom, taking off your pants, touching yourself and then complimenting yourself for what a good job you did. You know when your mom told you that your opinion matters? She lied.
This will be my last reply to you because I've honestly already given you far more attention than you deserve.I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Well I haven't taken part in this discussion before so here's a new piece of never-before heard input.
Grappling and close-quarters can be fun, but I miss being able to lob fireballs while slashing at things with a one-handed weapon like in the other ES games. However DPS would be gimped terribly under the current combat system that punishes Hybrids, so I'd happily take the green goblin path and let green poison balls and green poison gas spew forth from my off-hand if it means I can essentially get the same experience.
Either they should make the skill line all stamina skills, or find a non-punishing way to wield a sword as a mage.
So one of the formerly discussed ideas (and rumours that eventually turned out to be nothing but myth) was to have a "one handed sword and rune" skill line. Before Morrowind was released, there was official artwork that portrayed it (a swordsman with a sword in one hand and wielding magic in the other), but was debunked as just conceptual and not at all reflective of a new skill line.
It's been said before.
More than that. From day one the official trailers have the Elf woman holding a sword in one hand, throwing spells with the other.
So not just "conceptual" but deeply embedded into the way the game was advertised.
I'd like ZoS to get creative and introduce the one-hand-plus-spell combined with spellcrafting - and I've probably said the same in all the other previous posts about the one handed skill line:)
And I've also said it would be just too cool to ever happen
One thing that ZOS has confirmed is spell crafting though. I wouldn't say "never" to the one handed skill line.Edited by Illurian on September 14, 2017 9:38PMKiss the chaos.0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What would have been nice was the rumoured 1H & Rune skill line but that all came from a Morrowind Marketing image and nothing more
I would LOVE that with passives like " one handed weapons now scale to your magicka level and restore magicka when using a heavy attack "
Would make for an amazing spell sword class! I already love the warden, but add something like that and I would be super happy!0 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »
Maybe because it has been adressed a few times in the past years already:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/126715/can-we-have-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254867/one-hand-weapon-line-draft
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/355967/one-handed-wands
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/295883/why-no-one-handed-fighting-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/325541/would-you-be-interested-in-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237212/reminder-we-want-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281461/one-handed
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146140/one-handed-spell
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/206860/one-handed-fighting-style
These are only the results of the first 4 pages after I entered "one hand" in the search bar. I'm sure more can be found when using different search criteria.
There no way. My video of "1 hand "should rank way higher. It is on other sites as most viewed. Wait is this eso forums ?1 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »
Maybe because it has been adressed a few times in the past years already:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/126715/can-we-have-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254867/one-hand-weapon-line-draft
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/355967/one-handed-wands
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/295883/why-no-one-handed-fighting-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/325541/would-you-be-interested-in-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237212/reminder-we-want-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281461/one-handed
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146140/one-handed-spell
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/206860/one-handed-fighting-style
These are only the resultss of the first 4 pages after I entered "one hand" in the search bar. I'm sure more can be found when using different search criteria.
People complain and say "use search" when you post a thread of a an already discussed topic.
People complain if you search the forum and Necro a thread of the same topic.
What to do?
:Tongue:
Not post at all because everything would have already been said before.
Why don't we all just never talk at all if every subject in life has been brought up before?
Why don't we just abolish conversation altogether?
You start please.
Perhaps an alternative to your "silence should start with others" would be to take a slightly different approach...
search on your topic- read those threads
- determine if you are going to be adding anything or just repeating/rehashing.
- if the former, start thread, reference the others, add new items for discussion.
- if the latter, move on to another topic that has not been done and you are adding nothing to or at the very lesast try and come up with something more than "i wanna".
Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FWIW on the subject of new weapons:
My first consideration with "add new..." is for what? What does it bring to the table that is not covered now?
taking into consideration this would be an 11pc weapon line, so no 5-5-2 constant set builds, it would need to add a lot to match up to the existing ones.
So, what do you see that free hand giving you that is wroth that much? What role-content combo is better served by this than any other and does this make that other one obsolete?
I have not seen a set of ideas on that which would make this a viable entity.
Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭My first consideration with "add new..." is for what? What does it bring to the table that is not covered now?
I think spear, as a stamina-based staves skill line, would be cool.
If they added that, then it would be the cherry on top if they added a spear and shield combo too. Not as its own unique skill line, but rather a one-handed spear to go with shields.0 -
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✭datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »
Maybe because it has been adressed a few times in the past years already:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/126715/can-we-have-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254867/one-hand-weapon-line-draft
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/355967/one-handed-wands
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/295883/why-no-one-handed-fighting-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/325541/would-you-be-interested-in-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237212/reminder-we-want-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281461/one-handed
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146140/one-handed-spell
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/206860/one-handed-fighting-style
These are only the resultss of the first 4 pages after I entered "one hand" in the search bar. I'm sure more can be found when using different search criteria.
People complain and say "use search" when you post a thread of a an already discussed topic.
People complain if you search the forum and Necro a thread of the same topic.
What to do?
:Tongue:
Not post at all because everything would have already been said before.
Why don't we all just never talk at all if every subject in life has been brought up before?
Why don't we just abolish conversation altogether?
You start please.
Anyone with half the wit of a spoon would know that I'm referring to certain subjects that have just been brought up far too many times, far too recently.
And then there are people like you.
Wow, I don't think you're getting the point.
Here's a simple idea: if a topic keeps getting brought up, maybe it's valid? I am reminded of my mom getting mad at me when I was a kid because she had to tell me stuff three times. Should I have just said that she'd brought it up before so I could continue to ignore her? I probably did say that and had to pay when my dad got home...
What harm is there in discussing ideas, not matter how improbable their realization? How easy it is to just shrug and say: It ain't gonna happen so shut up... See, I am old school: I think the shruggers should shut up and listen, or ignore and get out of the way.
Me, I would love to see a game get some more immersive attacks, like single wielding. All my knife training only uses a single knife. Dual-wielding daggers seems kinda silly to me and dual-wielding full-sized swords is even worse. Yeah I know, there ain't no room for reality here.
Dual wiled daggers doesn't seem odd at all to me Tyene Sand from game of Thrones,and could have easily killed Bronn.Watch that *** and tell then say dual daggers is silly.1 -
Evil_Rurouni✭✭✭FWIW on the subject of new weapons:
My first consideration with "add new..." is for what? What does it bring to the table that is not covered now?
taking into consideration this would be an 11pc weapon line, so no 5-5-2 constant set builds, it would need to add a lot to match up to the existing ones.
So, what do you see that free hand giving you that is wroth that much? What role-content combo is better served by this than any other and does this make that other one obsolete?
I have not seen a set of ideas on that which would make this a viable entity.
Well, adding the rumored 1H+rune skill tree would give a weapon option to PvE magika DPS characters that isn't just a stupid stick that farts rainbows.
That alone would make it worthwhile to those players who care about such things.
It would also add a melee range magika weapon to the game, something mDK's and magplars would appreciate.
Staves would be the safe longrange option while 1H and rune would be the higher damage higher risk short range option.
Also, the rune could be counted as a set piece to allow for 5/5/2 configurations.
I'd suggest making the runes craftable from the enchanting skill line and drop from the same sources as shields do currently.
I'll agree that the idea of adding a stam based 1H + nothing skill tree doesn't seem to add much that isn't already available.
Stam builds need more stam morphs on their class skills far more than they need additional weapon skills.
Post edited to distinguish between the 2 different skill lines.Edited by Evil_Rurouni on September 17, 2017 12:59AM1 -
Hluill✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »
Maybe because it has been adressed a few times in the past years already:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/126715/can-we-have-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254867/one-hand-weapon-line-draft
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/355967/one-handed-wands
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/295883/why-no-one-handed-fighting-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/325541/would-you-be-interested-in-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237212/reminder-we-want-a-one-handed-skill-line
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/281461/one-handed
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146140/one-handed-spell
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/206860/one-handed-fighting-style
These are only the resultss of the first 4 pages after I entered "one hand" in the search bar. I'm sure more can be found when using different search criteria.
People complain and say "use search" when you post a thread of a an already discussed topic.
People complain if you search the forum and Necro a thread of the same topic.
What to do?
:Tongue:
Not post at all because everything would have already been said before.
Why don't we all just never talk at all if every subject in life has been brought up before?
Why don't we just abolish conversation altogether?
You start please.
Anyone with half the wit of a spoon would know that I'm referring to certain subjects that have just been brought up far too many times, far too recently.
And then there are people like you.
Wow, I don't think you're getting the point.
Here's a simple idea: if a topic keeps getting brought up, maybe it's valid? I am reminded of my mom getting mad at me when I was a kid because she had to tell me stuff three times. Should I have just said that she'd brought it up before so I could continue to ignore her? I probably did say that and had to pay when my dad got home...
What harm is there in discussing ideas, not matter how improbable their realization? How easy it is to just shrug and say: It ain't gonna happen so shut up... See, I am old school: I think the shruggers should shut up and listen, or ignore and get out of the way.
Me, I would love to see a game get some more immersive attacks, like single wielding. All my knife training only uses a single knife. Dual-wielding daggers seems kinda silly to me and dual-wielding full-sized swords is even worse. Yeah I know, there ain't no room for reality here.
Dual wiled daggers doesn't seem odd at all to me Tyene Sand from game of Thrones,and could have easily killed Bronn.Watch that *** and tell then say dual daggers is silly.
I agree, Movie and TV make dual-wielding look cool. And I love working the sticks and two-sword forms. But am skeptical of "this style beats that style" conversations: would a Spartan dual-wielding toothpicks beat a ninja with a blender... There are a lot of variables, but I lean toward the "it's the wielder, not the wielded" camp.
But I also like the fun of the grappling of knife take downs, like some of the Blade of Woe animations. I think it would be neat to have an assassin class that only uses the single blade. Most of the actual knife stuff I know, which ain't much, is more grappling oriented, not over-arching swings. Some of my sword forms actually involve single wielding, or switching from one to two-handed.
I think game design has been kinda strangled since the DnD days. There's no flexibility or fluidity or options. Yeah, I know, this MMO is more flexible than most. I know the issues with balanceBlack-handed Hluill and his daughter Leyek of House Numaril.0